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Giants coach Joe Judge said most other NFL players would have missed more than only two games. “Look, Daniel is the last guy that’s going to use anything as an excuse,” Judge, who rarely talks about injuries, told The Michael Kay Show on Monday. What I would say about the injury last year is it was much more serious than maybe people thought on the outside. I would say probably 90 percent of players in the league who would have had that injury, including quarterbacks, would have been on IR for the remainder of the year. That’s just the reality of it. It was much more severe than maybe he allowed people to know or the information that was put out there, and we’re going to protect our players by not disclosing everything about their injuries to be honest with you. He fought through a lot of things. He earned a lot of people’s respect.” |
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And you choose this one? Fuck off.
We hear this shit every year with underperforming players. Next there will be a fluff piece on Thomas playing through two broken ankles last year.
I never questioned Thomas last year. Did you?
If this team is as talented as the organization is says it is, then they shouldn’t have any problem winning the division this year. Time for results.
They honestly shouldn't considering how the Boys bounce back. This is where the rubber meets the road and what many of us are trying to say. Some of us are optimistic and some aren't. We'll find out by January of next year.
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And you choose this one? Fuck off.
We hear this shit every year with underperforming players. Next there will be a fluff piece on Thomas playing through two broken ankles last year.
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Just an attention whore trying to carve out some space for himself now that even those of us who have been quick to criticize DG are feeling good about the draft.
That said, I had to laugh when GT said he would have drafted Herbert last year @ 4 after DJ's rookie season. That was LOL to me. And again, I respect GT opinions but I thought he was trolling @ that point.
Seriously? If given a mulligan you wouldn't draft Herbert? The Giants would - I'd bet a lot on that.
However, availability matters. Eli gets tremendous credit for being available, which he should. On the flip side, I worry about Jones and availability. He’s missed 4 games due to injury in his career in two seasons.
With that said, he’s very easy to root for.
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In comment 15252272 Britt in VA said:
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And you choose this one? Fuck off.
We hear this shit every year with underperforming players. Next there will be a fluff piece on Thomas playing through two broken ankles last year.
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Just an attention whore trying to carve out some space for himself now that even those of us who have been quick to criticize DG are feeling good about the draft.
You’re angry at the world. I’m sorry for your situation, truly, so I’ll decline a response.
Out.
Out.
Seems like you have.
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So many of BBI posters try to ignore the teams problems on
Offensive Line ( and it has been very "offensive") and on the receiving corps (ps silent).
Give the guy a chance to prove himself under normal conditions and with a decent OL and good receivers.
As for Joe Judge, I think he may make it. Time will tell.
It's not ignoring, it's that we believe a QB can be evaluated without perfect conditions.
On topic: on one hand DJ is certainly one tough SOB, however if you want DJ to be the QB for the next 10 years I'd find this information scary. The last thing you should want is your QB pushing through the kind of injury that could lead to worse injuries.
As Aaron Judge said it's better to miss 1 game than to miss 1 month..
"In Ronnie Barnes we trust". I don't believe the medical staff would have cleared him to play if serious damage was possible. Barnes' future is not as tied to won/loss as JJ and DG.
+1
It really is that simple.
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In comment 15252272 Britt in VA said:
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And you choose this one? Fuck off.
We hear this shit every year with underperforming players. Next there will be a fluff piece on Thomas playing through two broken ankles last year.
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Just an attention whore trying to carve out some space for himself now that even those of us who have been quick to criticize DG are feeling good about the draft.
Attention whore? Why don’t you give the board another lecture about how Omameh and Toilolo are going to ruin the Giants salary cap?
There are probably Eagles fans linking to this thread and laughing at how stupid Giants fans are. I think most Giants fans are smart fans, but there is a huge concentration of stupid on this thread.
Fans are frustrated with Jones because of his production, not because they hate him. If you don’t understand that you are an imbecile.
Haha, my bad Gatorade!
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And you choose this one? Fuck off.
We hear this shit every year with underperforming players. Next there will be a fluff piece on Thomas playing through two broken ankles last year.
WillVAB.... this is a serious take? Maybe there is a connection between a player underperforming and fighting an injury that was worse than what everyone thought at the time.
Maybe even the BEST players who have serious injuries underperform because... they’re legitimately injured.....
You make it seems like Judge just made this comment up to cover for Jones. Are you really that cynical? Unreal.
I would have if I were them.
The Cardinals did this a couple years ago. It's not that outlandish.
But I'm saying with hindsight - the Giants would absolutely take Herbert now.
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In comment 15252182 TLong said:
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So many of BBI posters try to ignore the teams problems on
Offensive Line ( and it has been very "offensive") and on the receiving corps (ps silent).
Give the guy a chance to prove himself under normal conditions and with a decent OL and good receivers.
As for Joe Judge, I think he may make it. Time will tell.
It's not ignoring, it's that we believe a QB can be evaluated without perfect conditions.
On topic: on one hand DJ is certainly one tough SOB, however if you want DJ to be the QB for the next 10 years I'd find this information scary. The last thing you should want is your QB pushing through the kind of injury that could lead to worse injuries.
As Aaron Judge said it's better to miss 1 game than to miss 1 month..
"In Ronnie Barnes we trust". I don't believe the medical staff would have cleared him to play if serious damage was possible. Barnes' future is not as tied to won/loss as JJ and DG.
Right because Joe Judge would flat out make up a lie? But rather you “don’t believe” based off of what insight/information? Or you’re just making up a baseless hot take.
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I think GT wants Jones to succeed, but doesn't think he will. That's a fair take that I don't necessarily disagree with. I think this fall is make or break for Jones.
That said, I had to laugh when GT said he would have drafted Herbert last year @ 4 after DJ's rookie season. That was LOL to me. And again, I respect GT opinions but I thought he was trolling @ that point.
Seriously? If given a mulligan you wouldn't draft Herbert? The Giants would - I'd bet a lot on that.
I would. I would swap Jones for Herbert right now and I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep over it. I think Herbert is the better QB.
But I also have come to realize that the Giants aren't going to swap QBs on my whim, so my only choice would be to swap QBs for myself, and that means swapping allegiance to a different team. I don't want to do that.
Will I stop criticizing this front office? Absolutely not. I'm still me, and I'm not going to pretend to be anyone else. Will I never wonder how things would turn out with another player instead of the one we drafted/signed/etc.? Also, no. That's boring to me, and only makes sense if you're going to blindly bless every move that the FO makes.
But to hang onto guys that get drafted a year after the one we took? When our FO is clearly handcuffing themselves to that guy? I guess I'm kind of getting over that version of the "what if" game.
And I know that some fans who like to defend the FO's moves will often ask what someone would have done instead, and I guess that's a fair question, and I'll always try to have an answer for it. But I don't think it makes much sense to get locked in on the players we could have had because that just feels like a slippery slope: when we traded for Eli, I wondered how much stronger the roster would have been if we had acquired assets with Roethlisberger instead of trading them away for Eli. And then a year later, if we hadn't taken Eli, we could have taken Rodgers. But do we win the two SBs we won with either of those guys? I don't know. Maybe. Maybe more. Maybe less. Maybe none.
I'm just going to stay centered on the guys that the Giants do acquire. I won't like them all. I won't agree with every signing or every draft pick or every contract structure or whatever. But I feel like the "what if" game is an endless cycle and it's always one or two steps away from reality.
If we take Josh Allen and then take the other Josh Allen in the following year, where does our draft pick land last year? And who do we take? And how does he play? And how does that impact our W/L record? And then where does our draft pick land this year? And what happens from that slot? Do we end up with two firsts for next year? Do we have the same draft class that we wound up with? Do those better picks from a couple of years ago save Shurmur's job and he's just good enough to stay in his role but still not good enough for us to win another Lombardi?
This is not a declaration that I'm done complaining about what this team does, but it is an admission that I don't have the ability to map out an alternate course for them over time. I'll continue to consider each move as it happens (sorry, BBI!), but I'm also going to try to do a better job of accepting this team as it is along the way.
No, I wasn't.
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GT, April 2020...after Jones rookie season/Herbert only at Oregon...no one running any team is taking Herbert. Jones showed a lot his rookie season. By that reasoning, why didn't 'Fins take a QB @ 6? Jones was better than Tua their rookie years.
I would have if I were them.
The Cardinals did this a couple years ago. It's not that outlandish.
But I'm saying with hindsight - the Giants would absolutely take Herbert now.
With hindsight we would have taken Josh Allen, Herbert and many other QB’s over Jones - and I am a Jones fan. But who TF cares about hindsight? No one truly knows how a player will develop and turn out. Hindsight is the most useless concept in professional sports why even waste time thinking about it?
Probably the same reason you come on every thread and gush over Jones. You are both desperately seeking to be proven right. You just cancel each other out by screaming the loudest.
Everybody on this board knows what both of you will say on every Jones thread ever.
Oh come on, Chris684s post was a thinly veiled jab at GT before he had posted in this thread. GT was practically summoned but "wHy dO yOu PoSt?"
Oh come on, Chris684s post was a thinly veiled jab at GT before he had posted in this thread. GT was practically summoned but "wHy dO yOu PoSt?"
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In comment 15252272 Britt in VA said:
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And you choose this one? Fuck off.
We hear this shit every year with underperforming players. Next there will be a fluff piece on Thomas playing through two broken ankles last year.
WillVAB.... this is a serious take? Maybe there is a connection between a player underperforming and fighting an injury that was worse than what everyone thought at the time.
Maybe even the BEST players who have serious injuries underperform because... they’re legitimately injured.....
You make it seems like Judge just made this comment up to cover for Jones. Are you really that cynical? Unreal.
Every year we hear about underperforming Giants playing through injuries after the season. Every year.
Look, I’m completely neutral on Jones right now. He’s shown he can do some things really well and he’s exhibited some major flaws. We’ll see. I want him to succeed because if he succeeds then the Giants succeed. It’s that simple.
That doesn’t mean every fan should bow down and kiss his ass every time Gettleman or Judge gives the media a sound bite.
You know what I like more than a tough QB who tries to play through injuries? A smart QB who knows how to protect himself and avoid injuries so he can play a full season.
Based on what he looked like and are other option, it's a rock and a hard place.
He got cleared by the medical team in the NFL, you know what that means right? You can't be that naive, unless he was at a reasonable risk of making the injury worse with long term repercussions, they clear you. He clearly was very ineffective because of the injury. I've seen Stafford go out there and catch shit for the same thing.
Some guys are just tougher than others. DJ went out there with a broken collarbone at Duke earlier than anyone expected with normal prognosis. If you suddenly take the mobility away from a young QB and expect him to perform like a seasoned pocket passer with a line that sucks at pass blocking and no skill players, not sure what to tell you.
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In comment 15252277 WillVAB said:
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In comment 15252272 Britt in VA said:
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And you choose this one? Fuck off.
We hear this shit every year with underperforming players. Next there will be a fluff piece on Thomas playing through two broken ankles last year.
WillVAB.... this is a serious take? Maybe there is a connection between a player underperforming and fighting an injury that was worse than what everyone thought at the time.
Maybe even the BEST players who have serious injuries underperform because... they’re legitimately injured.....
You make it seems like Judge just made this comment up to cover for Jones. Are you really that cynical? Unreal.
Every year we hear about underperforming Giants playing through injuries after the season. Every year.
Look, I’m completely neutral on Jones right now. He’s shown he can do some things really well and he’s exhibited some major flaws. We’ll see. I want him to succeed because if he succeeds then the Giants succeed. It’s that simple.
That doesn’t mean every fan should bow down and kiss his ass every time Gettleman or Judge gives the media a sound bite.
You know what I like more than a tough QB who tries to play through injuries? A smart QB who knows how to protect himself and avoid injuries so he can play a full season.
I hear ya, but my point has nothing to do with Jones. I’m not trying to defend Jones here.
What I don’t understand is why you think this is fabricated. Don’t you think every NFL team has articles written about players underperforming due to injury? It is not specific to NYG.
And nor should it be. The point I am making is that players DO underperform due to injury, especially if it is severe. That’s probably the single largest reason WHY they underperformed. I just don’t know how you cant see this logic.
Not everything you read is fabricated and designed to cover up a bad draft pick or shitty FA signing. Why can’t you see that?
And that’s what this year is.
A QB who tries to play through injuries on a team that isn't in the bottom 20% at ALL OF WR, RB, TE, and OL.
Unlike two people here on either end, I DON'T KNOW how good Jones can be. I DO know that some of his flaws--but not how many-- related to the fact that he was trying to do too much, playing on one of the very worst offenses in the league, and the worst offense the Giants have had in decades.
Think there was a worse one, at all 4 squads combined, than the Giants had early last season? Please name it.
Jones is our guy and I will root for him and believe in him until I have reason not to. Some of you are just jumping at the chance to be right in your pessimism and jump on any opportunity to insult our young QB. To those of you who do this constantly, FUCK YOU. You are a bunch of low life pieces of shit. Go root for another team. Go root for the fucking Chargers you turd burglurs. Herbert was known to be lukewarm on football; ready to walk away at any moment. He was chosen #6 in his draft just like Jones. I would argue that Jones had a better rookie year throwing the ball. I can't wait to see DJ with an actual supporting cast.
Jones is our guy and I will root for him and believe in him until I have reason not to. Some of you are just jumping at the chance to be right in your pessimism and jump on any opportunity to insult our young QB. To those of you who do this constantly, FUCK YOU. You are a bunch of low life pieces of shit. Go root for another team. Go root for the fucking Chargers you turd burglurs. Herbert was known to be lukewarm on football; ready to walk away at any moment. He was chosen #6 in his draft just like Jones. I would argue that Jones had a better rookie year throwing the ball. I can't wait to see DJ with an actual supporting cast.
Fuck you
The thing is, speaking for myself, I’m completely open to other viewpoints and openly acknowledge all of Jones’ faults and validate those that are concerned.
It really shouldn't be this hard to say you're rooting for the kid, even if only because his doing well drastically affects the chances that we get winning football. And if he does well, the team can keep focusing on improving other areas rather than pouring more resources into the QB position.
When you say you don't care who the quarterback is, it comes off (to me, anyway) that you do care who it is (or isn't). It seems to me that anyone who really wants winning football should be rooting for everyone currently on the team. But maybe that's just me.
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Because I'm fairly certain he got cleared to play by the medical team. No?
Based on what he looked like and are other option, it's a rock and a hard place.
He got cleared by the medical team in the NFL, you know what that means right? You can't be that naive, unless he was at a reasonable risk of making the injury worse with long term repercussions, they clear you. He clearly was very ineffective because of the injury. I've seen Stafford go out there and catch shit for the same thing.
Some guys are just tougher than others. DJ went out there with a broken collarbone at Duke earlier than anyone expected with normal prognosis. If you suddenly take the mobility away from a young QB and expect him to perform like a seasoned pocket passer with a line that sucks at pass blocking and no skill players, not sure what to tell you.
Then Jones shouldn't have been out there playing if he didn't have the faculties to perform effectively. I've seen other QBs who were hurt but still performed effectively - Favre, Rodgers, Roethliserger, Romo, etc. So someone made a mistake allowing DJ to play. Tough means NOTHING if you are hurting the team. It doesn't get you extra points on the scoreboard.
Despite the horrendous division, we were in the hunt for a division title. So we very likely played the wrong guy for a game or two...
GT vs. ryanmkeane, round 67589597.
With apologies to Ryan, it's really not much of a fight.
Then Jones shouldn't have been out there playing if he didn't have the faculties to perform effectively. I've seen other QBs who were hurt but still performed effectively - Favre, Rodgers, Roethliserger, Romo, etc. So someone made a mistake allowing DJ to play. Tough means NOTHING if you are hurting the team. It doesn't get you extra points on the scoreboard.
Despite the horrendous division, we were in the hunt for a division title. So we very likely played the wrong guy for a game or two...
He shouldn't have, but that's a coaches decision when the QB wants to go. It was on Judge. In fact if you remember McCoy was warming up until DJ led a long TD drive.
I agree, as soon as he was out there, as shitty as McCoy is, he would have been a better option and we could have had a healthier DJ down the stretch. I'm sure that game set him back. One of the few mistakes I think Judge made last year.
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I agree w/ GT that Judge complimenting DJ is sorta 'Well yeah...what you expect him to say?'
I think us getting a second 1st next year is hedging our bets about DJ long term going forward. Sam Howell anybody?
I dunno, as of last week I remember reading a Terps conspiracy that Judge secretly doesn't like Jones and wants to be rid of him. I would say Judge has a weird way of of trying to hid his true feelings.
He absolutely has said that numerous times. He keeps ignoring the number of times Judge proactively says good things about Judge to loudly proclaim hat he likely wants to "wait out Gettleman" and get rid of Jones.
He's a fucking clown.