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NFLPA tells rookies not to show up

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/3/2021 8:21 pm
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The NFLPA held a call with rookies and their agents today. Source says NFLPA leadership is pushing for rookies not to attend any voluntary workouts this spring, including rookie minicamp.

Getting rookies, particularly undrafted free agents, to go along could be a challenge.
Why?  
Geomon : 5/3/2021 8:27 pm : link
Did they even say?
Do they even care  
EmusNYG : 5/3/2021 8:39 pm : link
about the players futures, or just power? Instead of saying the nfl needs to have stricter covid protocols, they just tell rookies to not show up. This is bad for their teams and them development wise. The NFLPA seems to just be making a power grab and not trying to protect the players.
So when the rookie doesn't make the team because he's running behind  
carpoon : 5/3/2021 8:41 pm : link
learning the system and gets cut, the union couldn't care less.
That's crap  
DavidinBMNY : 5/3/2021 8:44 pm : link
They don't even have signed contracts.
Seems rather short sighted  
Giant John : 5/3/2021 8:52 pm : link
And not in all of the players best interests. Those guys should give that a second thought.
RE: So when the rookie doesn't make the team because he's running behind  
Giantsfan79 : 5/3/2021 9:05 pm : link
In comment 15252297 carpoon said:
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learning the system and gets cut, the union couldn't care less.


no they couldn't care less. That rookie gets cut that means another union member made the team instead, the union is ok either way.
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broadbandz : 5/3/2021 9:06 pm : link
Oh wow, something using Corona as an excuse to grab more power. Never seen that one.
This is the kind I stuff that gets under my skin.  
CV36 : 5/3/2021 9:09 pm : link
This puts every rookie behind. This accomplishes nothing and hurts every team. To what end? Are rookies going to refuse to ever play if they don’t get their way? At some point they will all be out there and keeping them from this hurts their chances to make an impact this year.
When you get cut  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/3/2021 10:08 pm : link
thank the union...
They dont even have contracts yet  
blueblood : 5/3/2021 10:13 pm : link
if it was me, im showing up to make a good impression on my new boss.
I'm usually on the union's side in these things  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 5/3/2021 10:40 pm : link
But, come on. STFU and get the vaccine.
Sherman anti-trust Act  
Grizz99 : 5/3/2021 10:47 pm : link
The Union and NFL have colluded and are breaking the law. It may be beneficial, and I am in favor of it in this instance but it's clearly illegal. The Union and the NFL set the salary for rookies. That is illegal. Technically the rookie, or for that matter any individual, has the right to negotiate directly. What the NFL is doing is illegal and flagrantly so. The existing players and the NFL are protecting each other at the rookies expense and by curtailing his rights.
RE: Sherman anti-trust Act  
Giantfan in skinland : 5/3/2021 11:06 pm : link
In comment 15252547 Grizz99 said:
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The Union and NFL have colluded and are breaking the law. It may be beneficial, and I am in favor of it in this instance but it's clearly illegal. The Union and the NFL set the salary for rookies. That is illegal. Technically the rookie, or for that matter any individual, has the right to negotiate directly. What the NFL is doing is illegal and flagrantly so. The existing players and the NFL are protecting each other at the rookies expense and by curtailing his rights.


Grizz....there are exemptions from the antitrust laws for collective bargaining agreements/union activity. I don't recall the background on rookie wage scales....but if collectively bargained, I believe they would likely withstand legal scrutiny.
RE: Sherman anti-trust Act  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 5/3/2021 11:08 pm : link
In comment 15252547 Grizz99 said:
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The Union and NFL have colluded and are breaking the law. It may be beneficial, and I am in favor of it in this instance but it's clearly illegal. The Union and the NFL set the salary for rookies. That is illegal. Technically the rookie, or for that matter any individual, has the right to negotiate directly. What the NFL is doing is illegal and flagrantly so. The existing players and the NFL are protecting each other at the rookies expense and by curtailing his rights.


That's not how it works, dude. Legitimate labor objectives have been exempt from the Sherman Antitrust Act since at least the Norris-La Guardia act of 1932.
Aren't these rookies eligible to get vaccinated in most states?  
BestFeature : 5/4/2021 12:40 am : link
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This is a great opportunity to impress the coaches.  
D HOS : 5/4/2021 12:57 am : link
Rookies can show up for the first few sessions, maybe all of them, at first. Shows the coaches they are a team first player, willing do do anything, will show up and can be counted on. Then later they can go along with the union and apologize to the coaches and tell them what pressure they are under with their agents and peers.
Thank you, but I still have questions  
Grizz99 : 5/4/2021 1:13 am : link


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That's not how it works, dude. Legitimate labor objectives have been exempt from the Sherman Antitrust Act since at least the Norris-La Guardia act of 1932.

A rookie, who is not a member of the Union, has the unabridged Ebel right to negotiate directly with his employer.
Assuming a rookie was worth 10 million a year on the open market, how can you Union tell him you are going to work for 500000 and like it?

Not only are they eligible  
ZogZerg : 5/4/2021 6:46 am : link
I'm sure the NFL will coordinate it for all players and coaches. Couldn't be any easier.
RE: Thank you, but I still have questions  
knowledgetimmons : 5/4/2021 7:18 am : link
In comment 15252706 Grizz99 said:
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A rookie, who is not a member of the Union, has the unabridged Ebel right to negotiate directly with his employer.
Assuming a rookie was worth 10 million a year on the open market, how can you Union tell him you are going to work for 500000 and like it?


The players union is operated by players that participate in the NFL. One is not capable of playing in the league unless they're in the union. Past and present players created the current CBA that stipulates wage scales and working conditions.

A rookie entering the league has virtually zero leverage in the situation, nor should they. They didn't have an opportunity to create the CBA and can't until they play by the rules established by the aforementioned.

As an aside, I can tell your age by the argument you present. Sense of entitlement? Check. Arguing a vague point with minimal understanding? Check. Houston, We have a Zoomer.
I know COVID is the excuse,  
Bill L : 5/4/2021 7:47 am : link
but what is the reason? What is the goal here? Is there a contract coming up soon?
That’s really BS IMO.......  
Simms11 : 5/4/2021 8:50 am : link
So would a rookie really go against the union? I don’t think so and this will just be another obstacle now this year for teams! I believe there’s only one mandatory mini-camp and that includes vets.
They should all just walk across the parking lot  
NNJ Tom : 5/4/2021 11:02 am : link
and get vaccinated at the old track grandstand like we did. No muss no fuss.
RE: RE: Thank you, but I still have questions  
Giantfan in skinland : 5/4/2021 12:18 pm : link
In comment 15252753 knowledgetimmons said:
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In comment 15252706 Grizz99 said:


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A rookie, who is not a member of the Union, has the unabridged Ebel right to negotiate directly with his employer.
Assuming a rookie was worth 10 million a year on the open market, how can you Union tell him you are going to work for 500000 and like it?




The players union is operated by players that participate in the NFL. One is not capable of playing in the league unless they're in the union. Past and present players created the current CBA that stipulates wage scales and working conditions.

A rookie entering the league has virtually zero leverage in the situation, nor should they. They didn't have an opportunity to create the CBA and can't until they play by the rules established by the aforementioned.

As an aside, I can tell your age by the argument you present. Sense of entitlement? Check. Arguing a vague point with minimal understanding? Check. Houston, We have a Zoomer.


I'm not sure your response is entirely accurate. I believe a player could refuse to join the union if there team is in a right to work state.
Why is it such good strategy for the Giants to have traded down  
arniefez : 5/4/2021 12:35 pm : link
twice in the draft this year?

1. it gives them more lottery tickets for the crap shoot.

2. the cap is expected to stay flat next year and rookies are cheap labor.

The "union" and I use that term loosely knows better than anyone that the middle class players have them most to lose and least to gain from every rookie class. For them the more rookies that get cut the better.
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