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NFT: Mets fire hitting coaches Chili Davis and Tom Slater

ryanmkeane : 5/3/2021 11:46 pm
per Gelbs….welp. I’m glad that happened quicker than expected.
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Well they had to do something...  
moze1021 : 5/3/2021 11:50 pm : link
I know the Donnie stuff is a big joke right now but couldn't have helped Chili's case..
To me it's a bit of strange timing  
allstarjim : 5/3/2021 11:52 pm : link
Conforto and Alonso have really turned things around as of late. But the continued struggles of Lindor...he's too good of a player to have a month plus of poor at bats.
Lindor cost Chili his job  
NewBlue : 5/4/2021 1:21 am : link
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Seems to have a lot to do with wanting an analytics-oriented guy  
81_Great_Dane : 5/4/2021 1:51 am : link
as hitting coach.

I think there will be more of these firings at seemingly strange times as the Cohen regime tries to work with the Wilpon/BVW holdovers and figures out that some of them are not on the same page with the new approach .
Good  
moespree : 5/4/2021 2:08 am : link
I don't how Chili Davis keeps getting hired. Look at the the previous team he was with and you will notice a disturbing trend that seems all too familiar with the 2021 Mets. Underperforming offense, featuring a collection of players that all have career low seasons.
Mets were good hitting team in ‘19 and ‘20  
CMicks3110 : 5/4/2021 6:18 am : link
Just saying
hitting coaches are overrated.  
Victor in CT : 5/4/2021 7:50 am : link
A-rod was unusually blunt about Lindor on Sunday night. Call his swing weak, lacking in conviction and long.
Really pleased that ownership  
jpkmets : 5/4/2021 8:35 am : link
Will move decisively to fix a broken aspect. Mets situational hitting has been shit since Opening Day last year. I support this move and gotta think Rojas is on notice now. Good stuff as far as confidence in the org doing this right.

They didn’t gut the staff in the off-season after ownership change and I get that - continuity can be a blessing. But these are not Cohen’s hires. When his front office f7nds what they inherited to be lacking, then moving fast is a great sign.

Hopefully the team takes off. Otherwise, Showalter or another crusty/competent manager will be in by June 19.

Rojas is a Fizdale. We need a Thibs.
RE: To me it's a bit of strange timing  
KDavies : 5/4/2021 8:38 am : link
In comment 15252673 allstarjim said:
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Conforto and Alonso have really turned things around as of late. But the continued struggles of Lindor...he's too good of a player to have a month plus of poor at bats.


Perhaps there is truth to the rumors that it is someone else helping them out.
RE: Mets were good hitting team in ‘19 and ‘20  
jpkmets : 5/4/2021 8:55 am : link
In comment 15252730 CMicks3110 said:
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Just saying


Mets were wretched with RISP all 2020. There was no sign of an approach of any sort. 2019 Mets were brutal first half. They h ad a torrid 6 weeks. But, overall, that team wasn’t great at efficiency in plating baserunners.
Fire Sandy  
Hilary : 5/4/2021 9:23 am : link
Need to fire Sandy. Free agent class McCann Lindor Lucchesi.Just a terrible job.
RE: Fire Sandy  
Vanzetti : 5/4/2021 9:47 am : link
In comment 15252913 Hilary said:
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Need to fire Sandy. Free agent class McCann Lindor Lucchesi.Just a terrible job.


Sandy did make awful
And unnecessary moves. But he was not supposed to be playing GM. He had to step up because of the Porter thing,

I think he will be fine as team president. Need a real GM going forward. Shame about Porter because I think
He would have been
Good.
They have been hitting/scoring  
HoodieGelo : 5/4/2021 10:01 am : link
more the past few games but it says a lot when the players are thanking a made-up approach coach for their success not actual coaches lol
ARod on ESPN Sunday night  
Csonka : 5/4/2021 10:05 am : link
made notice that Lindor was pulling everything in BP. Said that's not the right approach when you're slumping. He made it seem so obvious even I was thinking "well why isn't Chili working with him on this?".
Chilli has been fired/allowed to leave by both BOS and CHI  
Eric on Li : 5/4/2021 10:14 am : link
and we know each of those regimes had/have ties into this one. Just the fact that leadership was steering the organization in that direction was a bad sign for Chilli's job prospects here unless the team performed.

I actually thought there were some improvements in the team's approach the last few years and the numbers were better, but a big part of that was Alonso and Dom becoming impact hitters. Guess we will see how the next guy goes but I don't consider this to be that big of a deal and the hitters are underperforming to an extreme extent.
Glad they got this done early on  
Metnut : 5/4/2021 10:39 am : link
when they are half a game out of first rather than in June/July when things could be worse.
Sandy  
DanMetroMan : 5/4/2021 10:41 am : link
wanted to re-hire Kevin Long but Long decided to go back to Washington. Sandy also wanted to bring back Pat Roessler (who left because of issues with Callaway), Roessler opted to stay with Long.
RE: Fire Sandy  
NYG22 : 5/4/2021 10:42 am : link
In comment 15252913 Hilary said:
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Need to fire Sandy. Free agent class McCann Lindor Lucchesi.Just a terrible job.


Premature on Lindor at a minimum? Fair to say the same about McCann?

RE: Sandy  
Eric on Li : 5/4/2021 10:44 am : link
In comment 15253019 DanMetroMan said:
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wanted to re-hire Kevin Long but Long decided to go back to Washington. Sandy also wanted to bring back Pat Roessler (who left because of issues with Callaway), Roessler opted to stay with Long.


Right - and needless to say but Rojas didn't hire Davis, nor did anyone still remaining in the organization. Nobody would have given it a second thought had they moved on in the offseason. It is completely normal that a new regime and new manager would be allowed to make their own decisions on staff. They gave Davis a shot and it's hard to see a reason why that was worth continuing.
Minor leagu season returns  
DanMetroMan : 5/4/2021 10:48 am : link
Josh Walker getting the opening day start for @BKCyclones, Yamamoto for @SyracuseMets (facing "ex-Met" Mike Montgomery, Megill going for @RumblePoniesBB (he could see Queens this season) and Joander Suarez your starter for @stluciemets #Mets

Megill is the real prospect of the group. Last we heard from Suarez he was mid-upper 80's. It's been a bit so maybe he's added to that but at the time it was pretty "meh" stuff.
Megill has been upper 90s  
ZGiants98 : 5/4/2021 12:50 pm : link
In camp over the last month.
Cannon fodder  
Knineteen : 5/4/2021 1:43 pm : link
How exactly does a hitting coach result in Lindor sucking at the plate all of a sudden?
I'd love to understand the theory behind coaching a player who has been playing the game his entire life, instinctively knowing how to hit.
Weak...  
PwndPapi : 5/4/2021 1:54 pm : link
Chili Davis is the reason why a 4 time all-star started the year off cold?

Can't wait for all the excuses as to why it's everyone's fault but Sandy Alderson why this team underperformed under his watch yet again.

Teflon Sandy.
A team pushing analytics  
ZGiants98 : 5/4/2021 2:07 pm : link
Was always going to be a weird fit with Chili. Should have happened earlier imo.
They  
DanMetroMan : 5/4/2021 2:12 pm : link
wanted to hire Kevin Long, Long wanted 3 years, for whatever the reason they didn't want to give him that and it sounds like the players pushed for Davis so they opted to keep him.
I commented on this the other night...  
BocaGene : 5/4/2021 2:12 pm : link
Last year, the Covid year, Chili was working remotely with the players, but Slater was there every day in person at practice and at games.

Mets led majors with 270+ average.

Coincidence? I think not.

I dont' think you can coach remotely as a batting coach.

IMHO, I wish they kept Slater and see if it makes a differnece. (like last year).
Carlos  
DanMetroMan : 5/4/2021 2:15 pm : link
Cortes is now an OF, which obviously means he's going to have to really hit to make the bigs. As expected the AA/AAA rosters are underwhelming prospect wise.
Wish we had worked it out with Long somehow  
ZGiants98 : 5/4/2021 2:25 pm : link
Bummer.
Syracuse  
DanMetroMan : 5/4/2021 2:52 pm : link
lineup posted. Khalil Lee the only top 50 prospect in the system in the lineup.
RE: Fire Sandy  
Rory : 5/4/2021 2:56 pm : link
In comment 15252913 Hilary said:
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Need to fire Sandy. Free agent class McCann Lindor Lucchesi.Just a terrible job.


no fucking way.

So infuriating to read shit like this, Sandy is literally responsible for every star on this team right now.

Be fucking patient and stop calling for a change every time there isn't immediate results, we are not the fucking Yankees.
RE: RE: Fire Sandy  
PwndPapi : 5/4/2021 2:59 pm : link
In comment 15253446 Rory said:
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In comment 15252913 Hilary said:


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Need to fire Sandy. Free agent class McCann Lindor Lucchesi.Just a terrible job.



no fucking way.

So infuriating to read shit like this, Sandy is literally responsible for every star on this team right now.

Be fucking patient and stop calling for a change every time there isn't immediate results, we are not the fucking Yankees.


Great point. The Yankees have won pennants and championships in most of our lifetimes.
RE: RE: Fire Sandy  
DanMetroMan : 5/4/2021 3:06 pm : link
In comment 15253446 Rory said:
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In comment 15252913 Hilary said:


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Need to fire Sandy. Free agent class McCann Lindor Lucchesi.Just a terrible job.



no fucking way.

So infuriating to read shit like this, Sandy is literally responsible for every star on this team right now.

Be fucking patient and stop calling for a change every time there isn't immediate results, we are not the fucking Yankees.


DeGrom actually predates Sandy. He was drafted June 2010 (Omar era), Sandy was hired in October. Familia as well but he's not a "star".
Syracuse  
DanMetroMan : 5/4/2021 3:08 pm : link
lineup
Link - ( New Window )
Carrasco and Syndergaard both pitched  
ZGiants98 : 5/4/2021 3:11 pm : link
Simulated games today. Carrasco went 6 innings and touched 96 mph and reports were his slider was “unhittable”

Syndergaard pitched 2 innings and is expected to join an affiliate soon so he can begin getting stretched out.

Ummmmm. Activate Cookie ASAP!
.  
DanMetroMan : 5/4/2021 3:15 pm : link
David Bote is hitting .192/.277/.329 and yet has driven in 5 more runs than any Met not named Pete Alonso lol
Mid  
DanMetroMan : 5/4/2021 3:16 pm : link
to late may on Lugo. So sounds like 2-3 more weeks.
RE: RE: RE: Fire Sandy  
Rory : 5/4/2021 3:19 pm : link
In comment 15253451 PwndPapi said:
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In comment 15253446 Rory said:


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In comment 15252913 Hilary said:


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Need to fire Sandy. Free agent class McCann Lindor Lucchesi.Just a terrible job.



no fucking way.

So infuriating to read shit like this, Sandy is literally responsible for every star on this team right now.

Be fucking patient and stop calling for a change every time there isn't immediate results, we are not the fucking Yankees.



Great point. The Yankees have won pennants and championships in most of our lifetimes.


dont care, I'm a Mets fan not a self entitled over opinionated Yankees fan.

The old regime is history, This is a new era for Mets fans with great leadership at the helm. Show some patience
RE: RE: RE: Fire Sandy  
Rory : 5/4/2021 3:19 pm : link
In comment 15253473 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15253446 Rory said:


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In comment 15252913 Hilary said:


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Need to fire Sandy. Free agent class McCann Lindor Lucchesi.Just a terrible job.



no fucking way.

So infuriating to read shit like this, Sandy is literally responsible for every star on this team right now.

Be fucking patient and stop calling for a change every time there isn't immediate results, we are not the fucking Yankees.



DeGrom actually predates Sandy. He was drafted June 2010 (Omar era), Sandy was hired in October. Familia as well but he's not a "star".


They both developed under Sandy
Rory  
DanMetroMan : 5/4/2021 3:23 pm : link
Familia was in the Mets system for 3 full seasons before Sandy got here, to give him credit for Familia is ridiculous. In 2009 he was being hyped up (along with Mejia) as the next big thing while in Savannah. 19 years old, 2.69 era... first 35 professional starts 5 homers allowed. He's 100% an Omar guy. Sandy doesn't deserve an iota of credit for that one, sorry.
If  
DanMetroMan : 5/4/2021 3:25 pm : link
you believe Peter Gammons, Sandy wasn't even completely aware of who Jacob DeGrom was (rehabbing TJ) and was willing to include him for Kelly Shoppach but was talked out of it.
.  
DanMetroMan : 5/4/2021 3:27 pm : link
“In May, 2012, the Red Sox were working on a deal with the Mets for catcher Kelly Shoppach. Ben Cherington asked Sandy Alderson for a soon-to-be 24-year-old righthanded pitcher in the Florida State League who had missed the 2011 season after surgery.

“The name? Jacob deGrom. Alderson seemed comfortable with the original idea, but checking with his minor league people caused him to tell Cherington he had second thoughts. So, finally, Boston received Pedro Beato.”

Obviously, the Red Sox wish Alderson hadn’t consulted his scouts before making that deal. deGrom, as mentioned above, earned NL Rookie of the Year honors last season, struck out the side in his impressive fashion in this year’s All-Star Game and has gone eight scoreless innings in four of his last nine starts."
It's  
DanMetroMan : 5/4/2021 3:32 pm : link
quite possible Realmuto did in fact communicate he didn't want to be here but his hot start stings. .906 OPS. McCann has looked bad on both sides of the ball. Not sure what they can do about that, his defense was supposed to be "at worst" an upgrade but he's at -1 DRS (same as Wilson Ramos in 2020) and he's 48th in framing.
Wow.  
DanMetroMan : 5/4/2021 3:36 pm : link
Narvaez (ended up not being non-tendered so I can't cry too much) 1.3 fWAR, 2nd in framing. Brewers actually got him for a minor leaguer Brodie dumped (Adam Hill).
Soto  
DanMetroMan : 5/4/2021 3:36 pm : link
and Will Harris return for the Nats.
RE: They  
DanMetroMan : 5/4/2021 3:38 pm : link
In comment 15253380 DanMetroMan said:
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wanted to hire Kevin Long, Long wanted 3 years, for whatever the reason they didn't want to give him that and it sounds like the players pushed for Davis so they opted to keep him.



Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
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Mets players expressed dismay over the firing of popular hitting coach Chili Davis and assistant Tom Slater today in a team meeting with acting GM Zack Scott, an “expected” reaction to Scott as players liked Davis very much and were dismayed they were fired 23 games in.
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DanMetroMan : 5/4/2021 3:41 pm : link
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
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After saying how important upgrading the Mets farm was it seemed odd they’d take the just-hired farm director Kevin Howard and make him assistant hitting coach, which to some seems like a less vital role. Jeremy Barnes will now be in charge of the farm by himself.
Cyclones  
DanMetroMan : 5/4/2021 3:45 pm : link
have Mauricio hitting 3rd, Baty hitting cleanup. Josh Walker (overage lefty- 26 years old) is the OD starter
.  
DanMetroMan : 5/4/2021 3:46 pm : link
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
Following the firing of 2 of Luis Rojas’ coaches, and with the team underachieving to this point after the 2020 disappointment it may seem like a target is on Rojas’ back. But Mets acting GM Zack Scott said by phone: “There are no plans to make a change. I want this to work.”
I  
DanMetroMan : 5/4/2021 3:50 pm : link
had assumed Blake Tiberi had retired but he's back in Brooklyn. organizational depth I guess.
Per  
DanMetroMan : 5/4/2021 3:51 pm : link
Heyman some of the players were upset the media were told of the firings before they were.
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