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Bobby Skinner on the draft

Hilary : 5/4/2021 9:21 am
Has a high opinion on Toney
Likes Ojulari but thinks that he fell to second round because he had trouble with the better tackles in the SEC
Likes Robinson but does not think he is as good a player as Darnay Holmes
Likes Smith but thinks he needs to get stronger
Does not like Brightwell. Fumbled 3 times in one game and is not able to help protect the QB.
Likes Williams
Didn't Gettleman  
mushroom : 5/4/2021 9:25 am : link
say something like the 6th is all about special teams. Therefore the RB pick.
Most ERs  
section125 : 5/4/2021 9:38 am : link
have trouble with quality OTs...If they didn't they'd be racking up 3 sacks per game.....
Didn’t Smith gain weight this year  
BillT : 5/4/2021 9:42 am : link
Wasn’t he 245 or so the prior season but around 260 now. His film shows the long slim guy he was but he’s different now. Or is that not the case?
what  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/4/2021 9:43 am : link
I was actually very encouraged about was Judge's recent comment about Ojulari's run defense and his ability to stand his ground.
I think  
madeinstars : 5/4/2021 10:02 am : link
most of Bobby's comments are pretty well thought out and a bit more nuanced than you made them out to be here.
RE: I think  
Bill L : 5/4/2021 10:10 am : link
In comment 15252970 madeinstars said:
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most of Bobby's comments are pretty well thought out and a bit more nuanced than you made them out to be here.


Is there a link for his draft summary?
Whole episode  
wigs in nyc : 5/4/2021 10:17 am : link
is in the link below. These guys have done a great job throughout the draft.
Talkin' Giants - Draft Recap - ( New Window )
I like this guy's work  
mfsd : 5/4/2021 10:22 am : link
Even though I thought he died at the end of Die Hard
The Brightwell pick  
eric2425ny : 5/4/2021 10:25 am : link
is the only head scratcher for me. Not much volume and fumbling issues.
RE: The Brightwell pick  
SirYesSir : 5/4/2021 10:30 am : link
In comment 15252992 eric2425ny said:
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is the only head scratcher for me. Not much volume and fumbling issues.



Well, they obviously like him for special teams, and there's potential to work on the hands and potentially be an effective option on short yardage. He needs work, like everyone getting picked in the 6th round or later. Not sure why people are so confused by this kid
RE: RE: The Brightwell pick  
Angel Eyes : 5/4/2021 10:33 am : link
In comment 15252997 SirYesSir said:
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In comment 15252992 eric2425ny said:


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is the only head scratcher for me. Not much volume and fumbling issues.




Well, they obviously like him for special teams, and there's potential to work on the hands and potentially be an effective option on short yardage. He needs work, like everyone getting picked in the 6th round or later. Not sure why people are so confused by this kid

Perhaps it feels like a redundancy with Barkley as the speed back off-tackle. I know I myself would have preferred a power back who can catch passes out of the backfield (which Barkley can do) or pass protect against blitzers (which he can't).
Why anyone  
Bergen346 : 5/4/2021 10:36 am : link
Puts any value on Bobby Skinner’s opinion of the draft is a head scratcher.

Darnay Holmes is better than Robinson? Maybe, but pure conjecture.

Bobby Skinner is not nearly as informed or knowledgeable as he pretends to be. He has found an audience with fans who know less about football than him and believe his word to be gospel.
RE: Why anyone  
Racer : 5/4/2021 10:47 am : link
In comment 15253006 Bergen346 said:
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Puts any value on Bobby Skinner’s opinion of the draft is a head scratcher.

Darnay Holmes is better than Robinson? Maybe, but pure conjecture.

Bobby Skinner is not nearly as informed or knowledgeable as he pretends to be. He has found an audience with fans who know less about football than him and believe his word to be gospel.


Really? You don't think he knows what he's talking about with regard to O-line play? How do you feel about Nick Falato?
I think OL is the only area where he is actually knowledgeable  
Bergen346 : 5/4/2021 10:56 am : link
Because he played OL in college, but he still makes a lot of errors in his OL analysis. Also, when he starts talking about other positions I think he just regurgitates what he hears elsewhere and has no real unique opinion.

I personally like Murf Baldwin better, I think he has much more experience and is far more knowledgeable than Bobby Skinner.
Bergen346, just for you: The Anti-Bobby Skinner YT Channel.  
Klaatu : 5/4/2021 10:57 am : link
I'm not sure this guy is going to continue making videos. Supposedly he was going to stop after the draft...maybe turn his site over to someone else.

Anyway, leading up to the draft he and Skinner seemed to be polar opposites when it came to a lot of prospects. for example, Skinner loved Slater but didn't like Rousseau. Tim hated Slater and liked Rousseau. Also, while Skinner was high on things like hiring Russ Callaway, Tim pretty much dismissed it, said fans were way off base when it came to the job of an Offensive Quality Control Assistant.

FWIW, if I'm not mistaken, Tim worked in the Tampa Bay organization for a while, but I don't know in what capacity.

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a Giants talk show is entertainment  
wigs in nyc : 5/4/2021 11:23 am : link
I dont think anyone is taking anyone’s word as gospel.
RE: Why anyone  
gidiefor : Mod : 5/4/2021 11:35 am : link
In comment 15253006 Bergen346 said:
[quote] Puts any value on Bobby Skinner’s opinion of the draft is a head scratcher.

Darnay Holmes is better than Robinson? Maybe, but pure conjecture.

Bobby Skinner is not nearly as informed or knowledgeable as he pretends to be. He has found an audience with fans who know less about football than him and believe his word to be gospel. [/quote}

hey the guy looks at and analyzes real tape -- so I give him credit for trying -- nobody is always right as it turns out
RE: Why anyone  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/4/2021 11:41 am : link
In comment 15253006 Bergen346 said:
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Puts any value on Bobby Skinner’s opinion of the draft is a head scratcher.

Darnay Holmes is better than Robinson? Maybe, but pure conjecture.

Bobby Skinner is not nearly as informed or knowledgeable as he pretends to be. He has found an audience with fans who know less about football than him and believe his word to be gospel.


No offense, but this is just you being a contrarian to an oft-cited and somewhat popular source.

Also, how could it be conjecture that an NFL player with a year of service time is a better player than a rookie from UCF who isn't even fit for a helmet yet? Holmes SHOULD be better right now. It won't be some upset if Robinson doesn't take Holmes' job.
RE: RE: Why anyone  
Bergen346 : 5/4/2021 11:53 am : link
In comment 15253131 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Puts any value on Bobby Skinner’s opinion of the draft is a head scratcher.

Darnay Holmes is better than Robinson? Maybe, but pure conjecture.

Bobby Skinner is not nearly as informed or knowledgeable as he pretends to be. He has found an audience with fans who know less about football than him and believe his word to be gospel.



No offense, but this is just you being a contrarian to an oft-cited and somewhat popular source.

Also, how could it be conjecture that an NFL player with a year of service time is a better player than a rookie from UCF who isn't even fit for a helmet yet? Holmes SHOULD be better right now. It won't be some upset if Robinson doesn't take Holmes' job.


No offense taken Ten Ton. I have watched his breakdowns and have seen him consistently flat out get things wrong. There are better film breakdowns out there but Bobby is the only one that gets posted/talked about here. I didn’t form this opinion for the sole purpose of being a contrarian, I formed it based off of my analysis of his videos.

As for conjecture: a conclusion deduced by surmise or guesswork. No one knows how good Robinson will be in the NFL. To come to that conclusion already, without seeing him play, is the definition of conjecture.

I like Darnay a lot, I thought he played well last year - doesn’t mean Robinson wont be better. Only time will tell and forming an opinion now is foolish.

Skinner..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/4/2021 11:57 am : link
gets talked about a lot here because he's part of a popular Podcast, he's on Twitter quite a bit pumping up players and he's Giant-centric.

Basically, he produces content for Giants fans. And he's good at communicating his points.

He's been noticed by a lot of people on this board because a lot of Giants fans seek out information about the team.
I've seen him be upfront  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/4/2021 12:01 pm : link
during his breakdowns and disclose that he doesn't know defensive back play. Being that honest on the front end earns a lot of trust with me.

As a former lineman, he has enough credibility, and frankly there aren't many other people breaking tape of tackles, guards and centers.
RE: what  
Rjanyg : 5/4/2021 12:17 pm : link
In comment 15252947 Eric from BBI said:
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I was actually very encouraged about was Judge's recent comment about Ojulari's run defense and his ability to stand his ground.


Ojulari is the steal of the draft IMO. I love the fact we got him even after trading down not once but twice. This is the pick that will solidify the ER group.
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Bergen346 : 5/4/2021 12:19 pm : link
Without a doubt Skinner and Talkin Giants have been a net positive for fans. I enjoy their podcasts quite a bit, and Bobby does have credibility when it comes to the OL.

I just think when it comes to film breakdown there are better options out there such as Murf Baldwin of Top Billin. While crass, Murf was an college scout and I find him to be far more through and informative than Skinner.

I trust bobby’s  
Straw Hat : 5/4/2021 12:20 pm : link
Takes on all things In the trenches, but when it comes to other positions he’s just a fan with an opinion just like the rest of us. He puts out good content though.
RE: Why anyone  
broadbandz : 5/4/2021 2:34 pm : link
In comment 15253006 Bergen346 said:
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Puts any value on Bobby Skinner’s opinion of the draft is a head scratcher.

Darnay Holmes is better than Robinson? Maybe, but pure conjecture.

Bobby Skinner is not nearly as informed or knowledgeable as he pretends to be. He has found an audience with fans who know less about football than him and believe his word to be gospel.


Bobby dunk on you and block you on twitter? lmao so bitter.
RE: RE: Why anyone  
Bergen346 : 5/4/2021 2:44 pm : link
In comment 15253414 broadbandz said:
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Puts any value on Bobby Skinner’s opinion of the draft is a head scratcher.

Darnay Holmes is better than Robinson? Maybe, but pure conjecture.

Bobby Skinner is not nearly as informed or knowledgeable as he pretends to be. He has found an audience with fans who know less about football than him and believe his word to be gospel.



Bobby dunk on you and block you on twitter? lmao so bitter.


No, not at all. I apologize for pointing out that there is better analysis out there that never gets mentioned on this board. I have nothing to be bitter about, I just have an informed opinion and I think fans would find other film breakdowns to be more informative. As I mentioned above, I like Talkin Giants, I I like their podcast its a fun listen, I just think their film breakdowns are subpar.
Bergen  
Mattman : 5/4/2021 4:27 pm : link
I’ll take any giant centric content I can get.

Your man posted on azeez and the giants draft about 30 minutes ago
Azeez breakdown - ( New Window )
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