What a black eye on the NHL that this guy, time and time again, runs around like a maniac with intent to injure and absolutely no self-control, continues to essentially get away with it. What he did to Buchnevich for no reason at all, OK, 2 minute penalty, fine is acceptable. Then the Panarin thing happens, grabbing him by the hair with his left hand and slamming him to the ice by his neck/head with his right hand...and that gets nothing? I’m sorry, I know I’m biased here as a Rangers fan, but holy crap, when is enough enough with this guy? Even Bertuzzi showed remorse after slamming Steve Moore’s head into the ice. I hate the Islanders, but I hope Matt Martin destroys him in the first round.
Back in the 80's, my best friend was a Ranger season ticket holder and we would take each other to the Islander-Ranger games at MSG and Nassau Colliseum respectively.
Back then there was a lot of goonery...but for the most part there was honor in the goonery. The goons typically faced off against the other team's goons, bench clearing brawls were almost commonplace and sometimes you would tune into a game to find out there was a brawl in warm-ups.
But it had its place and no-one seemed to pay to much attention to it.
Heck, the Philadelphia Flyers prided themselves on going from the "Patrick Street Pansies" to the "Broad Street Bullies".
But what happened last night was absolutely horrifying. While I am an Islander fan, I still respect and enjoy the skill players for what they bring to the beauty of Hockey. Panarin is one of those players and to have him almost lose the ability to play again or even worse, his life is absolutely horrendous.
The NHL talks a big game about protecting its players, preaching safety and preventing the Wilson's of the league from taking these liberties.....and then tosses a $5,000 fine??????
$5,000? They take that out of petty cash for God's sake.
I would applaud the Rangers if they scoured the AHL or other leagues to find a guy who will go toe to toe with Wilson!
Heck, I may find two!
I wish the best for Panarin & the other Ranger who was cheap shotted by Wilson.
That scumbag will have his day....when he is carted from the ice.....because karma has a heavy price!
exactly. they're a joke. on the the NHL is a bigger joke.
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Are they aware that the ice is harder than a wrestling mat?
so unless you're looking for a suspension, the fine is what the players want it to be.
I'll guarantee you that he still does, because "deterrence" is pure fantasy.
That's, uh, easier said than done.
flashback to Tom McVie putting his dentures on top of the boards and challenging the other coach to fight during a brawl.
Quinn should have? the coach?
lol, I know fans get emotional at times like this, but that is the last thing Quinn should have done and it's ridiculous to even suggest it - a guy in a suit and tie on ice he'd get rag dolled so easily it would be like Van Gundy on Mourning's leg but worse - b/c it's on ice and he's wearing dress shoes and he's tiny compared to the player and that's the least wrong thing about it.
I think you were being facetious anyway. I hope.
so unless you're looking for a suspension, the fine is what the players want it to be.
yes, suspension is what should have happened. this is much worse than - for example - what McCarron did a few weeks back against Yanni Gourde, and that play drew a 2-game suspension.
Point I was trying to make is that Quinn is very glib--as in non-substantive coach speak--when 'answering questions about why his team is so unable to compete, to put up a real fight (not last night's fight) against teams above them. To me, he's implicitly saying the players couldn't get it done, didn't have it in them. It's so easy to toss those 'sobriquets' out there. I was saying, then, that when Wilson harms arguably Quinn's best player, one who plays a 100% clean game, that required, that demanded, more than the feeble whine that Quinn gave it.
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And knock Ovechkin into next week and out of the playoffs tomorrow and see how much the Caps like it.
That's, uh, easier said than done.
Not the clean way. You wait, you line him up and run his fucking ass over and over again.
so unless you're looking for a suspension, the fine is what the players want it to be.
Yes, a suspension was definitely warranted, especially considering his previous behavior.
way to many people writing this off as " oh panarin got what he deserved by engaging him". bullshit, you play hard, play tough, but when you start ripping guys down by their head and neck its becomes dangerous in of it self, toss in a punch to the back of the head while you have him pinned down with stick to the back of the neck; he should be sitting in the press box the rest of this yr.
i never want to see guys injured, but if the league isnt going to hold him accountable, someone will need to force him into early retirement a la scott stevens.
That's why I miss ol' Barry Beck. He wouldn't have gotten away with that shit while Barry was on the ice!
I agree with others this should have been settled last night. Wilson knew the Rangers have nobody that will step up for a teammate. Something bad needs to happen next game.
Oh, and the bullshit that he and Panarin were in a scrap and Panarin should get ragdolled because he jumped on Wilson’s back? Please, what about personal responsibility? Wilson two hand slamming Panarin to the ice by his head/neck then proceeding to punch him multiple times is over the line, and anyone who doesn’t see that, I just can’t understand.
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Let's not pretend he's Claude Lemieux turtling after harassing Neely all series. I rarely see him turn down a fight.
but there was a time that the gifs/images below would have happened after what Wilson pulled last night and while it's been a little while it's not ancient history. The fact he touched the ice again and was unscathed is worse for me as a hockey fan than the leagues joke of a discipline policy.
For all you people advocating for fighting being out of the game (not many on these threads) - Wilson last night is what happens when the threat is gone.
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So basically, Panarin is supposed to let Wilson wail away at Strome. Panarin isn’t trying to fight Wilson, he’s trying to peel him away from his teammate. The NHL saying that the Wilson/Panarin engagement was “typical of a scrum” is fucking horse shit. I am not a spiteful person, and if this was some random guy, first offense, I might be more forgiving. This is Tom Wilson we’re talking about. Has this guy not done enough prior to this to warrant a steeper penalty? Reputation matters, or at least it should.
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action or discipline the league's message is clear, it's only about player safety when we're talking about player safety, when it comes to discipline we play a violent game and police it among yourselves.
the front of NHL nets has become old school WWF, and most of the time it gets let go unless it's extremely egregious, scrums after every whistle - and both sides know what they're doing. Offensive zone players want to skate through the crease, snow the goalie maybe, at least get in front of him and intimidate him, and defensive players know what they're doing too - anyone remotely even near the goalie and sometimes not even really near the goalie gets cross checked, face washed, and harassed.
that's basically how this incident started, net front scrum.
not defending Wilson or removing him as the main culprit, but you can see this type of incident coming....
Let's not pretend he's Claude Lemieux turtling after harassing Neely all series. I rarely see him turn down a fight.
but there was a time that the gifs/images below would have happened after what Wilson pulled last night and while it's been a little while it's not ancient history. The fact he touched the ice again and was unscathed is worse for me as a hockey fan than the leagues joke of a discipline policy.
For all you people advocating for fighting being out of the game (not many on these threads) - Wilson last night is what happens when the threat is gone.
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The Rangers don’t have anyone on their roster who is going to mix it up with a piece of shit like Wilson. They have a bunch of 19-23 year olds on their team. You want Fox to go after him? Kakko? Lafreniere? I suppose that is part of the problem with this lineup in the absence of Lindgren and Trouba, and after having traded Lemieux. It’s something they are going to have to fix once they are ready to be contenders. Blackwell did lay a good hit on him in the third (at which point Wilson got up complaining to the refs that he thought the hit was illegal). Just sucks that this guy is allowed pretty much free reign to take liberties whenever he wants, and the department of player safety continues to let it happen.
No, he didn't drive down on his neck - his stick was under Buchnevich and he was pulling it up against his throat.
Somebody needs to step up & deal with this kinda shit
Let's not pretend he's Claude Lemieux turtling after harassing Neely all series. I rarely see him turn down a fight.
but there was a time that the gifs/images below would have happened after what Wilson pulled last night and while it's been a little while it's not ancient history. The fact he touched the ice again and was unscathed is worse for me as a hockey fan than the leagues joke of a discipline policy.
For all you people advocating for fighting being out of the game (not many on these threads) - Wilson last night is what happens when the threat is gone.
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2014:
2013 (in the playoffs)
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How exactly would the threat of a fight have stopped Wilson from doing what he did?
Even in the scenario in which the Rangers had an enforcer dressed, Wilson pulled that shit while the Rangers were on a PP. So what happens differently?
After returning from his misconduct, Wilson and the Rangers goon drop the gloves, they both go into the box for 5, and that's it. I don't know why people insist on believing that it's possible to deter this kind of behavior with the threat of a fight.
Let's not pretend he's Claude Lemieux turtling after harassing Neely all series. I rarely see him turn down a fight.
but there was a time that the gifs/images below would have happened after what Wilson pulled last night and while it's been a little while it's not ancient history. The fact he touched the ice again and was unscathed is worse for me as a hockey fan than the leagues joke of a discipline policy.
For all you people advocating for fighting being out of the game (not many on these threads) - Wilson last night is what happens when the threat is gone.
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2014:
2013 (in the playoffs)
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I'm a huge Caps fan and I get pretty frustrated with Wilson. We do need his toughness and his scoring and this crap doesn't help the team. I (as a Caps homer) give Wilson the benefit of the doubt when it comes to Buchnevich because I assume Wilson felt Buchnevich was crashing too hard on our goalie. There isn't an excuse for the Panarin stuff though.
But in response to your post, that gif of the Emery Holtby fight shouldn't be used as an example of anything. Ray Emery is garbage. He is 5 times the piece of sh!t that Wilson will ever be.
There is always someone bigger, stronger and better with their fists.
Knowing that no one on the Rangers would call him out if anything probably emboldened Wilson.
I like the way the Tkachuk's play the game (both of them) - they don't get much press in Calgary and Ottawa, but they're both good two-way players.
IMO that's what the 2020's prototypical hockey player should be like. Of course there will always be a need and a role for pure finesse guys like Panarin and Hughes, but the value of someone like a Tkachuk is pretty high.
but what you see with the Rangers is also a little bit of the price you pay of emphasizing the "puck moving defenseman" (not just by them - a lot of teams) - a guy like Chara, Weber, heck Joel Edmunson or Jamie Oleksiak - Wilson isn't as excessive in that scrum IMO. You need those stay at home defensemen for more than just playing solid D.
Anyway, just my opinion
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yes, Wilson is a douche bag but there was almost never a time in hockey he was leaving the rink on a stretcher. He can hold his own for the most part.
Let's not pretend he's Claude Lemieux turtling after harassing Neely all series. I rarely see him turn down a fight.
but there was a time that the gifs/images below would have happened after what Wilson pulled last night and while it's been a little while it's not ancient history. The fact he touched the ice again and was unscathed is worse for me as a hockey fan than the leagues joke of a discipline policy.
For all you people advocating for fighting being out of the game (not many on these threads) - Wilson last night is what happens when the threat is gone.
2012
2014:
2013 (in the playoffs)
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But in response to your post, that gif of the Emery Holtby fight shouldn't be used as an example of anything. Ray Emery is garbage. He is 5 times the piece of sh!t that Wilson will ever be.
I'm of the opinion that Wilson is a hothead that deserved a more impactful punishment but I also believe its emblematic of deeper Ranger issues that they need the officials or league office to protect them from their own roster deficiencies, which many have pointed out for quite some time. If I'm looking at a glass half full I'd hope that this incident with Wilson expedites a roster retooling that helps make the team more prepared for heavy playoff hockey.
And re: Avery...I dont recall Avery ever doing anything remotely close to what we saw Wilson do to Buch. The worst you could say about Avery is that he talked a lot of personal shit and enjoys confrontation, but he never attempted to injure anyone.
There is always someone bigger, stronger and better with their fists.
Knowing that no one on the Rangers would call him out if anything probably emboldened Wilson.
I like the way the Tkachuk's play the game (both of them) - they don't get much press in Calgary and Ottawa, but they're both good two-way players.
IMO that's what the 2020's prototypical hockey player should be like. Of course there will always be a need and a role for pure finesse guys like Panarin and Hughes, but the value of someone like a Tkachuk is pretty high.
but what you see with the Rangers is also a little bit of the price you pay of emphasizing the "puck moving defenseman" (not just by them - a lot of teams) - a guy like Chara, Weber, heck Joel Edmunson or Jamie Oleksiak - Wilson isn't as excessive in that scrum IMO. You need those stay at home defensemen for more than just playing solid D.
Anyway, just my opinion
Boston has tough guys, Carlo still got crushed by Wilson.
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for what Wilson did 100% would be a deterrent (IMO).
There is always someone bigger, stronger and better with their fists.
Knowing that no one on the Rangers would call him out if anything probably emboldened Wilson.
I like the way the Tkachuk's play the game (both of them) - they don't get much press in Calgary and Ottawa, but they're both good two-way players.
IMO that's what the 2020's prototypical hockey player should be like. Of course there will always be a need and a role for pure finesse guys like Panarin and Hughes, but the value of someone like a Tkachuk is pretty high.
but what you see with the Rangers is also a little bit of the price you pay of emphasizing the "puck moving defenseman" (not just by them - a lot of teams) - a guy like Chara, Weber, heck Joel Edmunson or Jamie Oleksiak - Wilson isn't as excessive in that scrum IMO. You need those stay at home defensemen for more than just playing solid D.
Anyway, just my opinion
Boston has tough guys, Carlo still got crushed by Wilson.
That Carlo hit was definitely justifiably punished because it was high, but Wilson got called out twice that game and dropped the gloves. I forget with who, but I know two different Bruins and different points in the game called him out.
When I watch the Carlo hit though (and my memory has faded on it so I may look it up), it was one of those hits that if it wasn't high it was a good hit - I don't think Wilson left his feet, used his elbow or anything just shoulder to head (which is bad enough, but not as bad as if he did those things), to me that's an aggressive play and the player should be punished for it, the other team should call him out for it, but then you move on.
if Wilson didn't have a history that Carlo hit would have been a short story IMO, but Wilson no longer gets the benefit of the doubt, nor does he deserve it.
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for what Wilson did 100% would be a deterrent (IMO).
There is always someone bigger, stronger and better with their fists.
Knowing that no one on the Rangers would call him out if anything probably emboldened Wilson.
I like the way the Tkachuk's play the game (both of them) - they don't get much press in Calgary and Ottawa, but they're both good two-way players.
IMO that's what the 2020's prototypical hockey player should be like. Of course there will always be a need and a role for pure finesse guys like Panarin and Hughes, but the value of someone like a Tkachuk is pretty high.
but what you see with the Rangers is also a little bit of the price you pay of emphasizing the "puck moving defenseman" (not just by them - a lot of teams) - a guy like Chara, Weber, heck Joel Edmunson or Jamie Oleksiak - Wilson isn't as excessive in that scrum IMO. You need those stay at home defensemen for more than just playing solid D.
Anyway, just my opinion
Boston has tough guys, Carlo still got crushed by Wilson.
That Carlo hit was definitely justifiably punished because it was high, but Wilson got called out twice that game and dropped the gloves. I forget with who, but I know two different Bruins and different points in the game called him out.
When I watch the Carlo hit though (and my memory has faded on it so I may look it up), it was one of those hits that if it wasn't high it was a good hit - I don't think Wilson left his feet, used his elbow or anything just shoulder to head (which is bad enough, but not as bad as if he did those things), to me that's an aggressive play and the player should be punished for it, the other team should call him out for it, but then you move on.
if Wilson didn't have a history that Carlo hit would have been a short story IMO, but Wilson no longer gets the benefit of the doubt, nor does he deserve it.
Right. He got called out multiple times, but still threw the hit, as he always does. So I'm missing the deterrent aspect of it.
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