Florio and Chris Simms discuss Aaron Rogers and Giants in 22

Rodgers wears 12

There is ZERO chance Judge will have Rodgers in the building. He's trying to build a sustained culture here, so he's going to allow a prima donna who just said "fire the GM or I'm not coming back! to come into his building. Yeah-ok!

I am sure Chris would not say Screw you to Phil.......

The only guy who probably ever said that to Phil was Bill P. and even then.....it was always a 50-50 bet they would have a knock down brawl themselves at some point.

As for Rodgers....If he could bring us two or three SB's ala Brady.....Hell yeah!

At age 37, is he more Tom Brady or more Peyton Manning?

I'm confused.

In comment 15253112 Milton said:

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At age 37, is he more Tom Brady or more Peyton Manning?

When has Rodgers ever taken less money to help the team? In fact, hasn't he basically whined a couple times after other QBs topped his deal?

It is superbowl or bust and he could have that fall of like most QBs. You would also give up draft capital to get him and then you are back looking for a QB from the start.

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Simms definitely said SCREW YOU DAD! And they were talking about the number. I can only report what was said, not explain it.

It may very well be up at some point on the profootballtalk website. The conversation started with a discussion of the draft and Gettleman trading down, so that might be the title it would be under.

Rodgers is OUT of Green Bay THIS year.

that will cost a shit load to trade for? Rodgers has won one super bowl and has already hinted at retirement.

Is it entirely his fault he has won only one SB? No, but it’s not like the Bucs bringing in a proven consistent winner in Brady. The Packers come up small every year in the playoffs including when we shut him down in 2011, some of that falls on the QB.

Cant handle the soft green bay media. He’d explode here ala ryan leaf. Not a guy i want in my locker room either way.

In comment 15253176 Straw Hat said:

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Cant handle the soft green bay media. He’d explode here ala ryan leaf. Not a guy i want in my locker room either way.

Ryan Leaf was a lazy alcoholic, drug addict and malcontent. He couldnt relate to teammates or the media because he was an entitled jerk who thought greatness would come to him.

No teammate has ever spoken poorly of Aaron Rodgers and he's always been considered an extremely hard worker.

They share literally nothing in common. Bizarre comparison.

In comment 15253176 Straw Hat said:

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Cant handle the soft green bay media. He’d explode here ala ryan leaf. Not a guy i want in my locker room either way.

How do you come to this conclusion? Is it because you don't like what you hear?

I think he speaks very well, people just don't like what he's saying.

I would trade 2 firsts, Daniel Jones and his entire family for Aaron Rodgers.

people get so emotional about Aaron Rodgers, some of the comments about him on threads this week are baffling.

Usually when I don't like something/someone I just say it and move on (or ignore it all together). Making up stuff to support your disdain is easy to spot, as we can all see.

Fucking thread.

Wishing he's a serviceable starter + going forward. League average. Because he's been well below that thus far. He has 22 INTS and 29 Fumbles in 27 career games.

Aaron Rodgers is a SB Champion and 3-time NFL MVP - as recently as last season. You know how far back you'd have to go back for AR to accumulate 22 INTs? 2016. Five seasons. AR has 24 INTs across his last 71 games. You would have to go back to 2015 - six seasons ago - to accumulate the rate of fumbles DJ has in one season and a half.

They aren't even in the same stratosphere.

In comment 15253191 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 15253176 Straw Hat said: Quote: Cant handle the soft green bay media. He’d explode here ala ryan leaf. Not a guy i want in my locker room either way. How do you come to this conclusion? Is it because you don't like what you hear? I think he speaks very well, people just don't like what he's saying.

I come to this conclusion by seeing his interviews and determining he’s a whiney assclown that i wouldnt want qb’ing for my team.

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Fucking thread.

I was thinking the same thing

No thanks.

In comment 15253189 PwndPapi said:

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In comment 15253176 Straw Hat said: Quote: Cant handle the soft green bay media. He’d explode here ala ryan leaf. Not a guy i want in my locker room either way. Ryan Leaf was a lazy alcoholic, drug addict and malcontent. He couldnt relate to teammates or the media because he was an entitled jerk who thought greatness would come to him. No teammate has ever spoken poorly of Aaron Rodgers and he's always been considered an extremely hard worker. They share literally nothing in common. Bizarre comparison.

I wasn’t comparing them as people. I was just saying in my personal opinion I could see him blowing up on the media here. He gets visibly frustrated by the GB media all the time and they are soft as hell compared to the idiots we have asking the questions.

sounds good man, I like when people prove my points so easily.

In comment 15253230 UConn4523 said:

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sounds good man, I like when people prove my points so easily.

Lmao woah! You are so superior pal. Let me just pack my ignorant little opinion up and head home. What a bitch.

In comment 15253176 Straw Hat said:

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Cant handle the soft green bay media. He’d explode here ala ryan leaf. Not a guy i want in my locker room either way.

You weren't comparing them as people? What was the basis for comparison if not character? Because Ryan Leaf never approached AR's worst season on the field.

You don't want a guy who's been a league MVP three times? Shall we continue investing a dozen premium draft picks over the next decade in hopes of finding a QB half as good Aaron Rodgers? Sounds great.

and got picked apart by someone else too. Leaf and Rodgers share absolutely 0 similarities. I actually think that's part of it, Rodgers is great at his job and doesn't care that you don't like him which makes you hate him more, enough to make a ridiculous jump like a Ryan Leaf comparison.

:I don't like Aaron Rodgers, I think he's as asshole" is really what you are trying to say but that's not enough, you need to make stuff up to really drive your point home. Don't get mad at me for calling you out on it.

I was saying is i could picture him blowing up on the media, like leaf did. Thats the only comparison i was making. I dont like the guy, and i dont think he’d fit in well here. Im not making anything up, in my opinion he doesnt handle the media well. Im not making something up out of thin air. You dont have to agree with me. Wasn’t expecting any aaron rodgers white knights in here.

He's not shy about expressing his feeling about the team. Maybe that's outspoken, maybe that's whining, your mileage may vary. But I don't see him reacting poorly to questions from the media or having difficult with them in any way. That has nothing to do with the merits of the Giants pursuing him, but how he'd deal with the NYC media seems like a complete non-factor.

just because I don't agree with you. Try having a conversation without throwing jabs, you'll have a better experience.

I 100% understand why people think Rodgers is an asshole, can't possible refute that. Personally i'm not bothered by his demeanor and I think it would work well in NY, just like I thought Trevor Bauer would work well in NY. Its not the 90's anymore, athletes that are this successful and paid this much aren't going to crumble to the NY media.

I happen to think Rodgers and Judge would be a fascinating partnership. Never happening, but it would be awesome if it did.

In comment 15253097 Dave on the UWS said:

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There is ZERO chance Judge will have Rodgers in the building. He's trying to build a sustained culture here, so he's going to allow a prima donna who just said "fire the GM or I'm not coming back! to come into his building. Yeah-ok!

EXACTLY!!! This guy wants to get traded because the Packers drafted a QB. The Packers drafted him while Favre was still on the roster.

Somebody tell this guy he's 37 and the Packers will have to continue playing football after he's gone.

Imagine if Eli Manning would've asked to be traded because the Giants drafted Jones. Rodgers just cares about one thing; Rodgers. No thanks.

Never thought I'd see Ryan Leaf & Aaron Rodgers in the same sentence.

old and in the way, but this is an example (in my opinion) of him sending the media/fans on a wild goose chase. there's no smoke to this fire.

In comment 15253258 SleepyOwl said:

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In comment 15253097 Dave on the UWS said: Quote: There is ZERO chance Judge will have Rodgers in the building. He's trying to build a sustained culture here, so he's going to allow a prima donna who just said "fire the GM or I'm not coming back! to come into his building. Yeah-ok! EXACTLY!!! This guy wants to get traded because the Packers drafted a QB. The Packers drafted him while Favre was still on the roster. Somebody tell this guy he's 37 and the Packers will have to continue playing football after he's gone. Imagine if Eli Manning would've asked to be traded because the Giants drafted Jones. Rodgers just cares about one thing; Rodgers. No thanks.

Eli Manning insisted on being traded before he ever played a pro game. And if you don't think Eli would have demanded a trade were we to change direction in 2015 (like we should have), then I don't know what to tell you. Let's just stop with the whitewashing.

Maybe you should remind Aaron Rodgers he's 37. Because he was the best QB in the league last season.

Eli should have asked to be traded in all honesty. We know that's not him to do that but there was absolutely zero point in keeping Eli and Jones together on the roster.

Its probably the #1 issue i've ever had with Gettelman (although im not even sure if it was up to him).

Rodgers got drafted in a time where QB's were still groomed. Those days are over, the comparison no longer applies.

In comment 15253257 UConn4523 said:

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just because I don't agree with you. Try having a conversation without throwing jabs, you'll have a better experience. I 100% understand why people think Rodgers is an asshole, can't possible refute that. Personally i'm not bothered by his demeanor and I think it would work well in NY, just like I thought Trevor Bauer would work well in NY. Its not the 90's anymore, athletes that are this successful and paid this much aren't going to crumble to the NY media. I happen to think Rodgers and Judge would be a fascinating partnership. Never happening, but it would be awesome if it did.

Guys throwing a tantrum because they cut his boyfriend jake kumerow. Wants personnel control of some kind. Wants the GM gone or he wont play. None of this stuff would fly here. Imagine eli bugging out because we cut pat woodcock. im not a yank fan, but I think bauer would of been a disaster here too. Im cool with agreeing to disagree though, my bad for name calling, we all are bros here in a way. All want whats best for the gmen.

is that after Brady's success with the Bucs, I can see a lot of decent teams figure they're only a great QB away from the Super Bowl.

I don't see the Giants as close to that level right now. They'd be better off sticking with Judge's attempts to build something sustainable rather than trying to shoot the moon like that.

and wanted to retire a Giant. If he thought he could still play at a high level (like Rogers is currently doing), he would have. I'm sure he had that discussion with his family as well. It's not like he had to ring chase or make any more money.

That is how the media works.

Don't see the fit. He may have three very good years left but he has had the collarbone broken twice. Great at avoiding hits but sometimes the athletic ability goes quick which leads to more hits and injuries.

The league is not jumping giving big contracts to QB's and then you had the trade activity of Vets which will continue. I could see the Giants going this route if Jones falters poorly and they feel a potential franchise QB is not in the draft or not within reach.

ever care to ask why its gotten to this point? Couldn't possibly be the teams fault, right?

I don't remember Rodgers asking McCarthy to be fired when he should have all those years. So that tells me something major happened, no?

You're right, it wouldn't fly here, but I'd also like to think we'd handle things better from the get go before it gets to this point.

In comment 15253290 UConn4523 said:

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ever care to ask why its gotten to this point? Couldn't possibly be the teams fault, right? I don't remember Rodgers asking McCarthy to be fired when he should have all those years. So that tells me something major happened, no? You're right, it wouldn't fly here, but I'd also like to think we'd handle things better from the get go before it gets to this point.

That’s fair. I know I would of started to get annoyed if i were rodgers, during the end of mike mccarthy’s time when he was totally mailing it in. I guess i just hate the way rodgers handles it. We got spoiled having an all class act guy like eli for all those years. In a way though, the giants did pretty much let things get that bad, reese and marc ross put us in a terrible hole. You definitely make a fair point though.

In comment 15253283 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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That is how the media works. Don't see the fit. He may have three very good years left but he has had the collarbone broken twice. Great at avoiding hits but sometimes the athletic ability goes quick which leads to more hits and injuries. The league is not jumping giving big contracts to QB's and then you had the trade activity of Vets which will continue. I could see the Giants going this route if Jones falters poorly and they feel a potential franchise QB is not in the draft or not within reach.

That's a different argument altogether and the injury concern is a valid one.

As far as culture, the biggest driver of culture is the collective drive to succeed. The Giants brass has invested a ton this offseason to bring in players to accelerate the window. The one thing holding them back right now, imho, is probably the most important position on the field. It's very likely they believe DJ can take that next step with more weapons around him. But he's never done it.

I can't think bolder message they can send to the team that it's time than bringing in one of the top-3 QBs in the league who's actually won a title. This isn't Joe Montana circa 1993. Nor is it Brett Favre in 2008 trying to will a hapless Jets team into contention. Rodgers carried his team on his back to the NFC title games in back to back seasons.

NYG are built to win now. I think the potential windfall far outweighs the risk. Or we can make a go with DJ and cross our fingers that he's able to do something he's never done: make plays while not turning the ball over.

but GB would have to throw in a 1 and a 3 to make it a fair trade.

;>)

or is just me?

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or is just me?

I kinda stopped reading the OP after that.

In comment 15253214 PwndPapi said:

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Wishing he's a serviceable starter + going forward. League average. Because he's been well below that thus far. He has 22 INTS and 29 Fumbles in 27 career games. Aaron Rodgers is a SB Champion and 3-time NFL MVP - as recently as last season. You know how far back you'd have to go back for AR to accumulate 22 INTs? 2016. Five seasons. AR has 24 INTs across his last 71 games. You would have to go back to 2015 - six seasons ago - to accumulate the rate of fumbles DJ has in one season and a half. They aren't even in the same stratosphere.

Jones may not be a stud, but you need to go compare his first two years to Eli's first two before wishing he will become a "serviceable starter." And don't forget to look at who Eli had around him in years two and three.

In comment 15253194 PwndPapi said:

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I would trade 2 firsts, Daniel Jones and his entire family for Aaron Rodgers.

Which is reason No. 1 why you will never be an NFL GM.

In comment 15253171 eric2425ny said:

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The Packers come up small every year in the playoffs including when we shut him down in 2011, some of that falls on the QB.

Rodgers actually showed up that game, but the rest of his team sure didn't.

In comment 15253305 Jints in Carolina said:

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or is just me?

I can only assume that Florio thought that Rodgers wore #11 and Simms didn't know, so he just went with it.

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In comment 15253214 PwndPapi said: Quote: Wishing he's a serviceable starter + going forward. League average. Because he's been well below that thus far. He has 22 INTS and 29 Fumbles in 27 career games. Aaron Rodgers is a SB Champion and 3-time NFL MVP - as recently as last season. You know how far back you'd have to go back for AR to accumulate 22 INTs? 2016. Five seasons. AR has 24 INTs across his last 71 games. You would have to go back to 2015 - six seasons ago - to accumulate the rate of fumbles DJ has in one season and a half. They aren't even in the same stratosphere. Jones may not be a stud, but you need to go compare his first two years to Eli's first two before wishing he will become a "serviceable starter." And don't forget to look at who Eli had around him in years two and three.

All well and good, but there's no guarantee Jones turns into Eli one day. Three years in, and Jones has yet to correct any of the knocks on him coming out - the propensity to turn the ball over, ability to make pre-snap reads, and being late to make throws.

In his first full year as a starter, Rodgers went 6-10, completed 63% of his passes and threw for over 4,000 yards, 28 TDs and only 13 picks. That's his worst season statistically.

In year two, he was sacked 50 times and still completed 64% of his passes while throwing for 4,400 yards, 30 TDs and 7 INTs.

DJ was was sacked 45 times last year on his way to a 1:1 TD/INT ratio and virtually every fan proclaims a QB can't possibly be successful under those circumstances. Never approached 4k yards.

Right now, he's more Marcus Mariotta than Aaron Rodgers.

In comment 15253258 SleepyOwl said:

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In comment 15253097 Dave on the UWS said: Quote: There is ZERO chance Judge will have Rodgers in the building. He's trying to build a sustained culture here, so he's going to allow a prima donna who just said "fire the GM or I'm not coming back! to come into his building. Yeah-ok! EXACTLY!!! This guy wants to get traded because the Packers drafted a QB. The Packers drafted him while Favre was still on the roster. Somebody tell this guy he's 37 and the Packers will have to continue playing football after he's gone. Imagine if Eli Manning would've asked to be traded because the Giants drafted Jones. Rodgers just cares about one thing; Rodgers. No thanks.

I don't know what is more amusing: the fact that you guys said this or that you actually believe it. It's great to have a team culture- that way when you go home with a losing record or don't make the playoffs, you still have your culture.

Rodgers makes this team a Super Bowl contender the day he walks in the door. Barkely, Rodgers, Gallaway, Toney- find a way to stop that offense. Worry about tomorrow, tomorrow. Go get it done Dave.

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In comment 15253194 PwndPapi said: Quote: I would trade 2 firsts, Daniel Jones and his entire family for Aaron Rodgers. Which is reason No. 1 why you will never be an NFL GM.

Ouch. Sick burn.



When does your hour long HBO special air?

That said we would be a legitimate contender with this defense and upgrades on offense. I bet he would like to come here and stick it too Dallas and MM twice a year

I might start rooting for Dallas if he ended up a Giant.........Nah! Not them.

But I would find a new team. And I have been a Giants fan since they drafted Tucker Fredickson. Hint on my age.

Beckham is another asshole I was so glad to see the Giants trade. Notice how the Browns got better what he got hurt yet again?

Jeremy Shockey was another asshole the Giants got rid of because of his attitude. Ended up being a good move.

Myself..... I would rather root for a lesser team "NOT" filled with assholes.

I don't want to see Aaron Rogers here at all. Judge is building a team who play for each other, the team doesn't need an egotistical prima donna to screw up the good chemistry.

Just before the end, they have the conversation I quoted. But actually Florio said to Chris Simms would you authorize Rogers to take #11, and that's when Simms said "Screw You Dad".
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