never admit you’re wrong, give me a break! You’re both so biased against Jones it’s laughable. Both of you have the stance, the team screwed up, drafted a bum, he didn’t make the pro bowl season one so cut him, start over. Did I get that right.
Here’s my counter point.
Taking the fumbles out of the equation ( for just a minute), Jones was actually very good as a rookie. His completion %, yards, TD to INT ratio were all very good.
He goes into year two, new OC so new offense NO off season, poor supporting cast (which got infinitely worse when Barkley went down, and you can see why him or most ANY QB would struggle.
He still cut his fumbles down, less INT, and far less that were his fault.
Now, to be fair, he might still bust. You guys just dismiss ALL of this because your minds are already made up.
I’m still in a wait and see mode personally.
never admit you’re wrong, give me a break! You’re both so biased against Jones it’s laughable. Both of you have the stance, the team screwed up, drafted a bum, he didn’t make the pro bowl season one so cut him, start over. Did I get that right.
Here’s my counter point.
Taking the fumbles out of the equation ( for just a minute), Jones was actually very good as a rookie. His completion %, yards, TD to INT ratio were all very good.
He goes into year two, new OC so new offense NO off season, poor supporting cast (which got infinitely worse when Barkley went down, and you can see why him or most ANY QB would struggle.
He still cut his fumbles down, less INT, and far less that were his fault.
Now, to be fair, he might still bust. You guys just dismiss ALL of this because your minds are already made up.
I’m still in a wait and see mode personally.
A 2 to 1 TD/INT is not good in today's NFL. The average for 2019 QBs with more than 10 TDs was 2.85.
never admit you’re wrong, give me a break! You’re both so biased against Jones it’s laughable. Both of you have the stance, the team screwed up, drafted a bum, he didn’t make the pro bowl season one so cut him, start over. Did I get that right.
Here’s my counter point.
Taking the fumbles out of the equation ( for just a minute), Jones was actually very good as a rookie. His completion %, yards, TD to INT ratio were all very good.
He goes into year two, new OC so new offense NO off season, poor supporting cast (which got infinitely worse when Barkley went down, and you can see why him or most ANY QB would struggle.
He still cut his fumbles down, less INT, and far less that were his fault.
Now, to be fair, he might still bust. You guys just dismiss ALL of this because your minds are already made up.
I’m still in a wait and see mode personally.
but saying Jones has a "huge canon for an arm" was very funny. And completely wrong.
I love the Kyle Brandt throwing up the Garner Minshew comp. Man, that was a perfect way to illustrate so many things why Jones has been a disappointment at the #6 pick.
In true fashion, you bash the positive that was given to Jones and embrace the negative.
And then wonder why you get called out so often.
Yes, by all means. Support the inaccurate positive comments on DJ, and bash the negative albeit accurate ones.
And then wonder why you get called a defender so often...
Hey Clownshoes - please show me where I'm supporting any comments on Jones being made? Where did I talk about Schrager saying something nice and championing it? I'm referring to bw's comments - which you clearly missed in your zeal to contribute the usual nonsense here.
What I said way above is that the segment made it clear it is a make or break year.
This is why you're Jimmy Clownshoes - because you'll step into these discussions and not even know what the hell has been said
never admit you’re wrong, give me a break! You’re both so biased against Jones it’s laughable. Both of you have the stance, the team screwed up, drafted a bum, he didn’t make the pro bowl season one so cut him, start over. Did I get that right.
Here’s my counter point.
Taking the fumbles out of the equation ( for just a minute), Jones was actually very good as a rookie. His completion %, yards, TD to INT ratio were all very good.
He goes into year two, new OC so new offense NO off season, poor supporting cast (which got infinitely worse when Barkley went down, and you can see why him or most ANY QB would struggle.
He still cut his fumbles down, less INT, and far less that were his fault.
Now, to be fair, he might still bust. You guys just dismiss ALL of this because your minds are already made up.
I’m still in a wait and see mode personally.
and who put together that horrible, besides Barkley, supporting cast for DJ? But we should give DG the benefit of the doubt that he nailed the QB pick?
Everyone is in wait and see mode this year because DJ hasn't shown enough to be "the guy" but has shown enough flashes to get the opportunity. Speaking for myself here, i'm skeptical in large part because I don't trust DGs judgement from prior to JJ's arrival.
RE: Good debate and what I hoped we'd hear until the football
However, I was disappointed with the comparison. The comparison I thought they would give was between Jones and Josh Allen, this one seems to make the most sense. We are hoping that Jones can make the leap that Allen made in Year 3.
So, I had to waste some time to get some numbers for these QBs from their first 2 years:
even if its just for a minute (no offense but what does that even mean?). You can claim someone is biased and include a bias in your own counterargument.
Jones has a lot of athletic talent and all the personality intangibles. But his decision making has been suspect, the turnovers are a deal breaker, and he's also failed to elevate his team thus far. And thats what you need out of 6th overall pick at the position.
I genuinely like the guy and I hope he lights it up this year. I think everyone does. I don't buy that there are people here who would rather be right than see the team succeed, regardless of how heated, and at times petty, these debates can be. Gun toxmy head I think they're looking for a new QB next spring (or should be). Simply because to sign off on him being The Guy he's got to be exceptional. Top 5. Anything less and you cant justify a 2nd contract. My fear is that he has another season that is ultimately middling despite some flashes and they commit to another year.
never admit you’re wrong, give me a break! You’re both so biased against Jones it’s laughable. Both of you have the stance, the team screwed up, drafted a bum, he didn’t make the pro bowl season one so cut him, start over. Did I get that right.
Here’s my counter point.
Taking the fumbles out of the equation ( for just a minute), Jones was actually very good as a rookie. His completion %, yards, TD to INT ratio were all very good.
He goes into year two, new OC so new offense NO off season, poor supporting cast (which got infinitely worse when Barkley went down, and you can see why him or most ANY QB would struggle.
He still cut his fumbles down, less INT, and far less that were his fault.
Now, to be fair, he might still bust. You guys just dismiss ALL of this because your minds are already made up.
I’m still in a wait and see mode personally.
I don't mind admitting I was not fond of the selection of Jones. I thought he was over-drafted and should have been a second round prospect. And thus far, unfortunately, it looks like Jones isn't an elite QB prospect that one would expect from a high investment.
You name the metric you want to use. None of them are very flattering at this point. And since you brought up TD/INT ratio, Jones's aggregated total is 35/22, or 1.6. Sorry, but that's not very good in today's NFL. And his 2.4 INT% is pretty poor, too.
In his rookie year, his INT % was 2.6. Again, not very good.
And a 2:1 TD/INT ratio is decent, but nothing more than that...
but saying Jones has a "huge canon for an arm" was very funny. And completely wrong.
I love the Kyle Brandt throwing up the Garner Minshew comp. Man, that was a perfect way to illustrate so many things why Jones has been a disappointment at the #6 pick.
In true fashion, you bash the positive that was given to Jones and embrace the negative.
And then wonder why you get called out so often.
Yes, by all means. Support the inaccurate positive comments on DJ, and bash the negative albeit accurate ones.
And then wonder why you get called a defender so often...
Hey Clownshoes - please show me where I'm supporting any comments on Jones being made? Where did I talk about Schrager saying something nice and championing it? I'm referring to bw's comments - which you clearly missed in your zeal to contribute the usual nonsense here.
Hey comic relief - right above in your smart ass remark to bw. Second time we have noted your reading issues as of late. Try to keep up if you are looking to berate and ridicule.
even if its just for a minute (no offense but what does that even mean?). You can claim someone is biased and include a bias in your own counterargument.
Jones has a lot of athletic talent and all the personality intangibles. But his decision making has been suspect, the turnovers are a deal breaker, and he's also failed to elevate his team thus far. And thats what you need out of 6th overall pick at the position.
I genuinely like the guy and I hope he lights it up this year. I think everyone does. I don't buy that there are people here who would rather be right than see the team succeed, regardless of how heated, and at times petty, these debates can be. Gun toxmy head I think they're looking for a new QB next spring (or should be). Simply because to sign off on him being The Guy he's got to be exceptional. Top 5. Anything less and you cant justify a 2nd contract. My fear is that he has another season that is ultimately middling despite some flashes and they commit to another year.
Agree rud on basically all points in here.
I support a 3rd year for DJ but really enjoyed the "just take out the fumbles" comment too...compelling
Daniel Jones hasn't shown enough to keep the Giants out of any quarterback trade discussions. I wrote in my column last week about how quarterbacks who start their careers with two below-par seasons across their first three years have struggled to turn into viable pro starters afterwards. Jones already has those two dismal seasons before even making it to Year 3. He has struggled to stay healthy, cost the Giants dearly with turnover problems and hasn't shown any sort of natural feel for dealing with the pass rush. He wouldn't net more than a midround pick at this point, and it's difficult to see the Packers wanting him back as part of this deal.
That’s on his new Aaron Rodgers trades article on ESPN.com
Here’s my counter point.
Taking the fumbles out of the equation ( for just a minute), Jones was actually very good as a rookie. His completion %, yards, TD to INT ratio were all very good.
He goes into year two, new OC so new offense NO off season, poor supporting cast (which got infinitely worse when Barkley went down, and you can see why him or most ANY QB would struggle.
He still cut his fumbles down, less INT, and far less that were his fault.
Now, to be fair, he might still bust. You guys just dismiss ALL of this because your minds are already made up.
I’m still in a wait and see mode personally.
Here’s my counter point.
Taking the fumbles out of the equation ( for just a minute), Jones was actually very good as a rookie. His completion %, yards, TD to INT ratio were all very good.
He goes into year two, new OC so new offense NO off season, poor supporting cast (which got infinitely worse when Barkley went down, and you can see why him or most ANY QB would struggle.
He still cut his fumbles down, less INT, and far less that were his fault.
Now, to be fair, he might still bust. You guys just dismiss ALL of this because your minds are already made up.
I’m still in a wait and see mode personally.
A 2 to 1 TD/INT is not good in today's NFL. The average for 2019 QBs with more than 10 TDs was 2.85.
Here’s my counter point.
Taking the fumbles out of the equation ( for just a minute), Jones was actually very good as a rookie. His completion %, yards, TD to INT ratio were all very good.
He goes into year two, new OC so new offense NO off season, poor supporting cast (which got infinitely worse when Barkley went down, and you can see why him or most ANY QB would struggle.
He still cut his fumbles down, less INT, and far less that were his fault.
Now, to be fair, he might still bust. You guys just dismiss ALL of this because your minds are already made up.
I’m still in a wait and see mode personally.
Stop making sense Dave
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but saying Jones has a "huge canon for an arm" was very funny. And completely wrong.
I love the Kyle Brandt throwing up the Garner Minshew comp. Man, that was a perfect way to illustrate so many things why Jones has been a disappointment at the #6 pick.
In true fashion, you bash the positive that was given to Jones and embrace the negative.
And then wonder why you get called out so often.
Yes, by all means. Support the inaccurate positive comments on DJ, and bash the negative albeit accurate ones.
And then wonder why you get called a defender so often...
Hey Clownshoes - please show me where I'm supporting any comments on Jones being made? Where did I talk about Schrager saying something nice and championing it? I'm referring to bw's comments - which you clearly missed in your zeal to contribute the usual nonsense here.
What I said way above is that the segment made it clear it is a make or break year.
This is why you're Jimmy Clownshoes - because you'll step into these discussions and not even know what the hell has been said
Here’s my counter point.
Taking the fumbles out of the equation ( for just a minute), Jones was actually very good as a rookie. His completion %, yards, TD to INT ratio were all very good.
He goes into year two, new OC so new offense NO off season, poor supporting cast (which got infinitely worse when Barkley went down, and you can see why him or most ANY QB would struggle.
He still cut his fumbles down, less INT, and far less that were his fault.
Now, to be fair, he might still bust. You guys just dismiss ALL of this because your minds are already made up.
I’m still in a wait and see mode personally.
and who put together that horrible, besides Barkley, supporting cast for DJ? But we should give DG the benefit of the doubt that he nailed the QB pick?
Everyone is in wait and see mode this year because DJ hasn't shown enough to be "the guy" but has shown enough flashes to get the opportunity. Speaking for myself here, i'm skeptical in large part because I don't trust DGs judgement from prior to JJ's arrival.
However, I was disappointed with the comparison. The comparison I thought they would give was between Jones and Josh Allen, this one seems to make the most sense. We are hoping that Jones can make the leap that Allen made in Year 3.
So, I had to waste some time to get some numbers for these QBs from their first 2 years:
Josh Allen:
Comp% = about 56% (rough estimate)
Yards = 5,163
TDs = 30
Ints = 21
QB Rating = about 77 (rough estimate)
Daniel Jones:
Comp% = 62.2%
Yards = 5,970
TDs = 35
Ints = 22
QB Rating = about 84 (rough estimate)
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So, we just saw a QB take a big leap in year 3 when his team provided him weapons. Let's hope we see the same, big jump, for Daniel Jones!
Thanks man! You nailed that one!! Perfect comp and I really think DJ is going to play super well this year
Jones has a lot of athletic talent and all the personality intangibles. But his decision making has been suspect, the turnovers are a deal breaker, and he's also failed to elevate his team thus far. And thats what you need out of 6th overall pick at the position.
I genuinely like the guy and I hope he lights it up this year. I think everyone does. I don't buy that there are people here who would rather be right than see the team succeed, regardless of how heated, and at times petty, these debates can be. Gun toxmy head I think they're looking for a new QB next spring (or should be). Simply because to sign off on him being The Guy he's got to be exceptional. Top 5. Anything less and you cant justify a 2nd contract. My fear is that he has another season that is ultimately middling despite some flashes and they commit to another year.
Here’s my counter point.
Taking the fumbles out of the equation ( for just a minute), Jones was actually very good as a rookie. His completion %, yards, TD to INT ratio were all very good.
He goes into year two, new OC so new offense NO off season, poor supporting cast (which got infinitely worse when Barkley went down, and you can see why him or most ANY QB would struggle.
He still cut his fumbles down, less INT, and far less that were his fault.
Now, to be fair, he might still bust. You guys just dismiss ALL of this because your minds are already made up.
I’m still in a wait and see mode personally.
I don't mind admitting I was not fond of the selection of Jones. I thought he was over-drafted and should have been a second round prospect. And thus far, unfortunately, it looks like Jones isn't an elite QB prospect that one would expect from a high investment.
You name the metric you want to use. None of them are very flattering at this point. And since you brought up TD/INT ratio, Jones's aggregated total is 35/22, or 1.6. Sorry, but that's not very good in today's NFL. And his 2.4 INT% is pretty poor, too.
In his rookie year, his INT % was 2.6. Again, not very good.
And a 2:1 TD/INT ratio is decent, but nothing more than that...
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In comment 15253583 bw in dc said:
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but saying Jones has a "huge canon for an arm" was very funny. And completely wrong.
I love the Kyle Brandt throwing up the Garner Minshew comp. Man, that was a perfect way to illustrate so many things why Jones has been a disappointment at the #6 pick.
In true fashion, you bash the positive that was given to Jones and embrace the negative.
And then wonder why you get called out so often.
Yes, by all means. Support the inaccurate positive comments on DJ, and bash the negative albeit accurate ones.
And then wonder why you get called a defender so often...
Hey Clownshoes - please show me where I'm supporting any comments on Jones being made? Where did I talk about Schrager saying something nice and championing it? I'm referring to bw's comments - which you clearly missed in your zeal to contribute the usual nonsense here.
Hey comic relief - right above in your smart ass remark to bw. Second time we have noted your reading issues as of late. Try to keep up if you are looking to berate and ridicule.
Or you know where the escape hatch is...
Jones has a lot of athletic talent and all the personality intangibles. But his decision making has been suspect, the turnovers are a deal breaker, and he's also failed to elevate his team thus far. And thats what you need out of 6th overall pick at the position.
I genuinely like the guy and I hope he lights it up this year. I think everyone does. I don't buy that there are people here who would rather be right than see the team succeed, regardless of how heated, and at times petty, these debates can be. Gun toxmy head I think they're looking for a new QB next spring (or should be). Simply because to sign off on him being The Guy he's got to be exceptional. Top 5. Anything less and you cant justify a 2nd contract. My fear is that he has another season that is ultimately middling despite some flashes and they commit to another year.
Agree rud on basically all points in here.
I support a 3rd year for DJ but really enjoyed the "just take out the fumbles" comment too...compelling
Too soon to project. I’m sure there will be players who rise up the board after the college season like Burrow & Wilson did.
That’s on his new Aaron Rodgers trades article on ESPN.com