such a Wilson, purposely injures an opponent the player should be suspended until the injured player returns from the injury. That would get rid of the goons and make non goons think about unwarranted violence.
of the fine was not negotiable, they have a CBA that governs the fine amounts (suspensions are another story).
Wilson was fined the maximum allowed per the CBA.
which leads you to believe at some level this is what the player want (to an extent).
He should have been suspended. The fines are a joke.
I wonder if this release was ran by the players before its release.
I think if this happened anywhere on the ice other than a net front scrum it would have been handled differently.
I mentioned on the other threads and I'm sure we've all noticed, every single offensive/defensive zone whistle results in a 2 min delay separating players, the net front has become an no holds barred battle zone and almost anything goes.
I think that too is how players want it - since most of the time the players dish out on both sides.
this obviously was egregious but reading between the lines I feel like the league felt like they'd be opening a pandoras box by penalizing net front behavior even as egregious as this (reading their half-assed explanation makes it seem this way at least).
The league wants it settled on the ice, then that’s what the Rangers must do tomorrow. And I don’t mean one fight that lasts 10 seconds. Every single shift Wilson takes needs to have 1-5 Rangers up his ass. Heck, save some for their goalie and big names too.
I think Quinn is done anyway, but this team cannot take a reputation for press releases instead of defending themselves into the offseason.
I simply do not understand how many times a player can do the same thing time and time again and get away with it. It's total bull.
The league has completely failed on this. This guy is a total bitch and hides every time a real altercation can happen. He is the biggest coward I have ever seen in professional sports. I can believe the league protects and he always takes zero responsibility.
In my opinion every team who plays against the caps should cheap shot Ovie and directly at Tom wilson because that is what a team and a league who protects a coward deserves
Sorry Ovi but he is your guy and what goes around comes around.
such a Wilson, purposely injures an opponent the player should be suspended until the injured player returns from the injury. That would get rid of the goons and make non goons think about unwarranted violence.
Good idea in theory but won’t work. Imagine for a second that Ovechkin injures Brett Howden. What incentive does Howden have to come back and play. There is nothing stopping him from milking it.
such a Wilson, purposely injures an opponent the player should be suspended until the injured player returns from the injury. That would get rid of the goons and make non goons think about unwarranted violence.
such a Wilson, purposely injures an opponent the player should be suspended until the injured player returns from the injury. That would get rid of the goons and make non goons think about unwarranted violence.
Good idea in theory but won’t work. Imagine for a second that Ovechkin injures Brett Howden. What incentive does Howden have to come back and play. There is nothing stopping him from milking it.
Why would Ovechkin hurt anyone on purpose? Right, he wouldn't, but if he did he should be penalized.
Hey they Suspended Adams Graves (10 games) for slashing Mario Lemieux(I think it was). Graves was just slashing at the stick and hit the hands....
who are suggesting teams go after Ovi realize how f-ing tough Ovi is.
he's a f-ing tank.
6'3" at least 240 pounds, and when/if he wants to be physical he's a wrecking ball.
You want to cheap shot Ovi I say like the voice from the movie taken "good luck".
Maybe make Backstrom your target on WAS or Kuznetzov.
They won't let Ovi play anyway. They should just leave the ice 30 seconds before faceoff and forfeit the game. Take whatever fine the league wants to levy and turn this into a publicity disaster for the league. The only way there will ever be reform.
of the fine was not negotiable, they have a CBA that governs the fine amounts (suspensions are another story).
Wilson was fined the maximum allowed per the CBA.
which leads you to believe at some level this is what the player want (to an extent).
He should have been suspended. The fines are a joke.
I wonder if this release was ran by the players before its release.
The fact that he has been suspended several times before for dirty play should be factored in. The suspensions should keep building so that there is a reason for him to stop.
This is have one of their players who used to play baseball, take their stick and go for the home run with his face. Wilson is a piece of garbage who deserves no respect . Treat him that way.
But I just watch the video of the incident on YouTube, and I didn’t see anything particularly unusual. Those guys all fight each other all the time. Big freaking deal.
I don't think there is anyone on BBI who does not respect your hockey acumen and knowledge, more dedicated, involves, and still playing the sport than 99.9% of the membership here. But to split hairs by saying what Wilson did to Panarin (or anyone else), especially Panarin because he is obviously such a non-combatant, was 'ok' and not meritworthy of a significant suspension because it occurred in front of the net is a very slippery slope. Obviously, the NYR Organization does not see it your way, and I don't see why it should. The keeper was not targeted, the scrum was against the end boards, and Wilson took Panarin out in a act of violence that was visually and instigationally separate from the inadvertent scrum that played out a moment before. And don't tell me that because Artemi was trying to pull off a Cap player from a Ranger that justifies it. The Rangers were up 3-2 at the time, I believe, and to target the Rangers MVP 1 or 2 in very deliberately, you risk really ugly mayhem and injury by not sanctioning it.
Parros should be gone. It's a black eye for the NHL and the entire sport, another one for this thug.
I didn't say that (or I didn't mean to), I said the league is saying that. They're basically saying in a net front scrum all bets are off and whatever you do is "part of a net front scrum" and basically "ok".
I think Wilson should be suspended.
I do like him though in general - I like how he plays- but he absolutely crossed a line here - Scott summed up my opinion well.
sorry if there was any confusion in my opinion on this.
I didn't say that (or I didn't mean to), I said the league is saying that. They're basically saying in a net front scrum all bets are off and whatever you do is "part of a net front scrum" and basically "ok".
I think Wilson should be suspended.
I do like him though in general - I like how he plays- but he absolutely crossed a line here - Scott summed up my opinion well.
sorry if there was any confusion in my opinion on this.
but I don't think Wilson should be "out of the league" or even terribly lengthy suspension, but definitely suspended.
I didn't say that (or I didn't mean to), I said the league is saying that. They're basically saying in a net front scrum all bets are off and whatever you do is "part of a net front scrum" and basically "ok".
I think Wilson should be suspended.
I do like him though in general - I like how he plays- but he absolutely crossed a line here - Scott summed up my opinion well.
sorry if there was any confusion in my opinion on this.
but I don't think Wilson should be "out of the league" or even terribly lengthy suspension, but definitely suspended.
How many would you give?
I would have given 5 for any normal player. 30 for Wilson.
there should be repeat offender penalties and extended suspensions. Letting star players get casually and needlessly injured is a recipe for only bad things.
But I just watch the video of the incident on YouTube, and I didn’t see anything particularly unusual. Those guys all fight each other all the time. Big freaking deal.
You ever actually been on ice? I don't even mean in a hockey context. You ever ice skate? Central park, anything?
I didn't say that (or I didn't mean to), I said the league is saying that. They're basically saying in a net front scrum all bets are off and whatever you do is "part of a net front scrum" and basically "ok".
I think Wilson should be suspended.
I do like him though in general - I like how he plays- but he absolutely crossed a line here - Scott summed up my opinion well.
sorry if there was any confusion in my opinion on this.
but I don't think Wilson should be "out of the league" or even terribly lengthy suspension, but definitely suspended.
How many would you give?
I would have given 5 for any normal player. 30 for Wilson.
I hate the post whistle scrum bullshit generally.
I don't know.
I think maybe there should be a council that determines punishment.
People slam Parros because he was an enforcer and he now determines punishment, but I have no issue with that. a. Parros isn't some meat head, he's a Princeton grad (captain of his team) and b. he was an enforcer at a time when enforcers were there to protect their teammates, not inflict violence on finesse players so he understands the role and the game and when it should be violent and when it shouldn't be (you would think). (and I played against his team growing up all the time, lol - not with him on it - I'm older than him, but we would play the NJ Colonials in tournaments every year)
but he missed on this and the punishment system in the NHL is all over the map inconsistent.
I think they need a council - maybe made up of active players who vote on discipline - who obviously would be biased (but realizing it could come back on them and their team at some point), but until and unless you get a better system of justice it's the whim of one person and I think that's the problem more than anything.
I agree with vanzetti and cokeduplt. big fucking deal, they wrote
whether you agree or disagree with Parros and what the maximum punishment should be in a case such as this isn't the only question rather it's the leagues decision to have a guy such as Parros heading up the NHL's Dept of Player Safety. Just from an optics standpoint alone, it's ridiculous that a goon, and to be perfectly clear he was a goon his entire career, is presiding over "player safety". It brings to mind the old idiom of a fox guarding a hen house. It really tells you a lot about the NHL's so called leadership, doesn't it?
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Wilson was fined the maximum allowed per the CBA.
which leads you to believe at some level this is what the player want (to an extent).
Wilson was fined the maximum allowed per the CBA.
which leads you to believe at some level this is what the player want (to an extent).
He should have been suspended. The fines are a joke.
I wonder if this release was ran by the players before its release.
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of the fine was not negotiable, they have a CBA that governs the fine amounts (suspensions are another story).
Wilson was fined the maximum allowed per the CBA.
which leads you to believe at some level this is what the player want (to an extent).
He should have been suspended. The fines are a joke.
I wonder if this release was ran by the players before its release.
I think if this happened anywhere on the ice other than a net front scrum it would have been handled differently.
I mentioned on the other threads and I'm sure we've all noticed, every single offensive/defensive zone whistle results in a 2 min delay separating players, the net front has become an no holds barred battle zone and almost anything goes.
I think that too is how players want it - since most of the time the players dish out on both sides.
this obviously was egregious but reading between the lines I feel like the league felt like they'd be opening a pandoras box by penalizing net front behavior even as egregious as this (reading their half-assed explanation makes it seem this way at least).
I think Quinn is done anyway, but this team cannot take a reputation for press releases instead of defending themselves into the offseason.
If they are, then they need to get down and dirty with the league....make it a dog fight. Ownership needs to not relent.
The league has completely failed on this. This guy is a total bitch and hides every time a real altercation can happen. He is the biggest coward I have ever seen in professional sports. I can believe the league protects and he always takes zero responsibility.
In my opinion every team who plays against the caps should cheap shot Ovie and directly at Tom wilson because that is what a team and a league who protects a coward deserves
Sorry Ovi but he is your guy and what goes around comes around.
Good idea in theory but won’t work. Imagine for a second that Ovechkin injures Brett Howden. What incentive does Howden have to come back and play. There is nothing stopping him from milking it.
Yup. Exactly. 1000%.
he's a f-ing tank.
6'3" at least 240 pounds, and when/if he wants to be physical he's a wrecking ball.
You want to cheap shot Ovi I say like the voice from the movie taken "good luck".
Maybe make Backstrom your target on WAS or Kuznetzov.
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such a Wilson, purposely injures an opponent the player should be suspended until the injured player returns from the injury. That would get rid of the goons and make non goons think about unwarranted violence.
Good idea in theory but won’t work. Imagine for a second that Ovechkin injures Brett Howden. What incentive does Howden have to come back and play. There is nothing stopping him from milking it.
Why would Ovechkin hurt anyone on purpose? Right, he wouldn't, but if he did he should be penalized.
Hey they Suspended Adams Graves (10 games) for slashing Mario Lemieux(I think it was). Graves was just slashing at the stick and hit the hands....
he's a f-ing tank.
6'3" at least 240 pounds, and when/if he wants to be physical he's a wrecking ball.
You want to cheap shot Ovi I say like the voice from the movie taken "good luck".
Maybe make Backstrom your target on WAS or Kuznetzov.
Fucking incredible
The Rangers have nobody to challenge the guy so I’m assuming there will be some pathetic fight involving Smith and Wilson and that’ll be it.
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of the fine was not negotiable, they have a CBA that governs the fine amounts (suspensions are another story).
Wilson was fined the maximum allowed per the CBA.
which leads you to believe at some level this is what the player want (to an extent).
He should have been suspended. The fines are a joke.
I wonder if this release was ran by the players before its release.
The fact that he has been suspended several times before for dirty play should be factored in. The suspensions should keep building so that there is a reason for him to stop.
It's very crazy. How bad is that.
They should not have to make statements
How do you not defend your teammates?
I don’t care if Wilson is a goon and accomplished fighter you have to go after him
Every Ranger should have retaliated and then they should have gone after their players
It is no wonder that this team underachieves they have no heart
How do you let a player injure two of your teammates and one is your best player
Hockey is a physical sport and you need to establish respect
The Rangers will never accomplish anything until they stop teams from taking liberties
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Parros should be gone. It's a black eye for the NHL and the entire sport, another one for this thug.
I think Wilson should be suspended.
I do like him though in general - I like how he plays- but he absolutely crossed a line here - Scott summed up my opinion well.
sorry if there was any confusion in my opinion on this.
I think Wilson should be suspended.
I do like him though in general - I like how he plays- but he absolutely crossed a line here - Scott summed up my opinion well.
sorry if there was any confusion in my opinion on this.
but I don't think Wilson should be "out of the league" or even terribly lengthy suspension, but definitely suspended.
Writing a letter
Isn’t showing guts.
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I didn't say that (or I didn't mean to), I said the league is saying that. They're basically saying in a net front scrum all bets are off and whatever you do is "part of a net front scrum" and basically "ok".
I think Wilson should be suspended.
I do like him though in general - I like how he plays- but he absolutely crossed a line here - Scott summed up my opinion well.
sorry if there was any confusion in my opinion on this.
but I don't think Wilson should be "out of the league" or even terribly lengthy suspension, but definitely suspended.
How many would you give?
I would have given 5 for any normal player. 30 for Wilson.
I hate the post whistle scrum bullshit generally.
So they release some bitch add statement. It’s hockey not badminton. Take care of Wilson next time you meet
So they release some bitch add statement. It’s hockey not badminton. Take care of Wilson next time you meet
You're right - it is hockey. And a guy getting his skull slammed to the ice isn't supposed to be a part of it.
So they release some bitch add statement. It’s hockey not badminton. Take care of Wilson next time you meet
At least your takes are consistently moronic across multiple sports.
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I didn't say that (or I didn't mean to), I said the league is saying that. They're basically saying in a net front scrum all bets are off and whatever you do is "part of a net front scrum" and basically "ok".
I think Wilson should be suspended.
I do like him though in general - I like how he plays- but he absolutely crossed a line here - Scott summed up my opinion well.
sorry if there was any confusion in my opinion on this.
but I don't think Wilson should be "out of the league" or even terribly lengthy suspension, but definitely suspended.
How many would you give?
I would have given 5 for any normal player. 30 for Wilson.
I hate the post whistle scrum bullshit generally.
I don't know.
I think maybe there should be a council that determines punishment.
People slam Parros because he was an enforcer and he now determines punishment, but I have no issue with that. a. Parros isn't some meat head, he's a Princeton grad (captain of his team) and b. he was an enforcer at a time when enforcers were there to protect their teammates, not inflict violence on finesse players so he understands the role and the game and when it should be violent and when it shouldn't be (you would think). (and I played against his team growing up all the time, lol - not with him on it - I'm older than him, but we would play the NJ Colonials in tournaments every year)
but he missed on this and the punishment system in the NHL is all over the map inconsistent.
I think they need a council - maybe made up of active players who vote on discipline - who obviously would be biased (but realizing it could come back on them and their team at some point), but until and unless you get a better system of justice it's the whim of one person and I think that's the problem more than anything.
anyone who thinks they anybody can "go after" Ovechkin has clearly never seen him. He's huge and he plays with a mean streak.
LOL, correct!