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Daniel Jeremiah on value based on his top 150 prospects

Sean : 5/4/2021 8:30 pm
This shows just how much value the Giants got with only 6 picks this year, and doesn’t account for the future picks added next year.

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Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks
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1h
Fun exercise- took my top 150 players & assigned point values. My number 1 player is worth 150 points. My 150th player is worth 1 point.
(H/T
@NFLResearch
) Here’s the result👇🏻_



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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/4/2021 8:34 pm : link
This was a home run draft for the Giants IMO. I feel good about this team going forward outside of whether DJ is the answer long term, but we'll find out this fall. And if not, we got capital to take his successor next spring.
RE: ...  
Sean : 5/4/2021 8:35 pm : link
In comment 15253984 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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This was a home run draft for the Giants IMO. I feel good about this team going forward outside of whether DJ is the answer long term, but we'll find out this fall. And if not, we got capital to take his successor next spring.

Exactly. There’s so much debate on Jones, but it’s not a big deal either way. The Giants aren’t married to him and it’s more than reasonable to give him a third year with a slew of weapons. If he doesn’t pan out, it’s easy to move on. No big deal.
Pretty crazy considering it was 6 picks  
UConn4523 : 5/4/2021 8:37 pm : link
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And that's not counting  
Stan in LA : 5/4/2021 8:38 pm : link
Next year's 1st, 3rd and 4th!
i believe he had  
ryanmkeane : 5/4/2021 8:38 pm : link
Robinson as an early 2nd/borderline 1st round talent
Dave Gettleman is now Trader Dave. He learned the art of trading  
Ira : 5/4/2021 8:45 pm : link
quickley.
Eh,  
robbieballs2003 : 5/4/2021 8:46 pm : link
This is really just where teams drafted in the draft and how many picks. All the teams at the top were all drafting at the top of the first.
Here were his final top 150 rankings  
ryanmkeane : 5/4/2021 8:48 pm : link
on April 26, starting from last:

Gary Brightwell: ranked 138, picked 196
Elerson Smith: ranked 73, picked 116
Aaron Robinson: ranked 55, picked 71
Azeez Ojulari: ranked 30, picked 50
Kadarius Toney: ranked 28, picked 20

Rodarius Williams not ranked in top 150
Feels a bit skewed...  
bw in dc : 5/4/2021 8:50 pm : link
especially against teams with a multiple picks in rounds 5 or later and/or with a large denominator.

I do think the Giants did fairly well, btw. Not so much the players, but the way the draft was managed...
He says it’s for fun  
UConn4523 : 5/4/2021 8:56 pm : link
and his second chart with the points per selection is what’s more interesting since it evens out the teams with lots of later picks. When you factor in the trade the value is overwhelming.
This would probably be the time to gather all  
Bill in UT : 5/4/2021 8:59 pm : link
the BBI quotes from this off-season that said Jeremiah is a moron
RE: RE: ...  
Go Terps : 5/4/2021 9:02 pm : link
In comment 15253988 Sean said:
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In comment 15253984 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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This was a home run draft for the Giants IMO. I feel good about this team going forward outside of whether DJ is the answer long term, but we'll find out this fall. And if not, we got capital to take his successor next spring.


Exactly. There’s so much debate on Jones, but it’s not a big deal either way. The Giants aren’t married to him and it’s more than reasonable to give him a third year with a slew of weapons. If he doesn’t pan out, it’s easy to move on. No big deal.


This is true. I just hate committing all of 2021 to an experiment. There should at least be a viable alternative in the building.

But yeah I agree. The acquisition of that first rounder next year was really good.
ah yes  
ryanmkeane : 5/4/2021 9:03 pm : link
2021, the "experiment year"
another thread  
ryanmkeane : 5/4/2021 9:03 pm : link
hijacked, this will end well
Judge definitely thinks it’s an experiment  
UConn4523 : 5/4/2021 9:07 pm : link
good lord. It’s like too many threads had people agree on stuff post draft and BBI needed it’s equilibrium back.
With full acknowledgment that its a "just for fun" exercise...  
j_rud : 5/4/2021 9:07 pm : link
Jesus Christ Mike Mayock what are you doing?
RE: Here were his final top 150 rankings  
Mike in NY : 5/4/2021 9:17 pm : link
In comment 15254009 ryanmkeane said:
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on April 26, starting from last:

Gary Brightwell: ranked 138, picked 196
Elerson Smith: ranked 73, picked 116
Aaron Robinson: ranked 55, picked 71
Azeez Ojulari: ranked 30, picked 50
Kadarius Toney: ranked 28, picked 20

Rodarius Williams not ranked in top 150


Didn’t realize someone had Brightwell that high. Personally I would have gambled on him being UDFA, but I guess someone could like him if they feel that his issues are correctable with experience. If he is only a special teamer he needs to be an ace at to justify drafting him.
Oh yeah have to have a  
Dave on the UWS : 5/4/2021 9:21 pm : link
pro bowl level WB ready to take over at the first incompletion by Jones .
Umm sorry Mr Smarty Pants, team building doesn’t work that way. Nor does perpetually turning over the QB position to stay on the rookie contract.
We were 2nd  
cokeduplt : 5/4/2021 9:40 pm : link
To the dolphins in points per pick. Pretty awesome. Hopefully it translates to the field.
Just heard Mel Kiper and Todd McShay on ESPN  
Mike in NY : 5/4/2021 9:55 pm : link
Gushing over our draft. Man I hope it translates.
RE: RE: RE: ...  
Chris684 : 5/4/2021 9:59 pm : link
In comment 15254023 Go Terps said:
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In comment 15253988 Sean said:


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In comment 15253984 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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This was a home run draft for the Giants IMO. I feel good about this team going forward outside of whether DJ is the answer long term, but we'll find out this fall. And if not, we got capital to take his successor next spring.


Exactly. There’s so much debate on Jones, but it’s not a big deal either way. The Giants aren’t married to him and it’s more than reasonable to give him a third year with a slew of weapons. If he doesn’t pan out, it’s easy to move on. No big deal.



This is true. I just hate committing all of 2021 to an experiment. There should at least be a viable alternative in the building.

But yeah I agree. The acquisition of that first rounder next year was really good.


Do you realize how dumb this sounds?
RE: RE: RE: RE: ...  
GiantGrit : 5/4/2021 10:06 pm : link
In comment 15254098 Chris684 said:
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In comment 15253988 Sean said:


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In comment 15253984 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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This was a home run draft for the Giants IMO. I feel good about this team going forward outside of whether DJ is the answer long term, but we'll find out this fall. And if not, we got capital to take his successor next spring.


Exactly. There’s so much debate on Jones, but it’s not a big deal either way. The Giants aren’t married to him and it’s more than reasonable to give him a third year with a slew of weapons. If he doesn’t pan out, it’s easy to move on. No big deal.



This is true. I just hate committing all of 2021 to an experiment. There should at least be a viable alternative in the building.

But yeah I agree. The acquisition of that first rounder next year was really good.



Do you realize how dumb this sounds?


I think its fair point, if the rest of the team looks great but Jones stinks won't we all wish the Giants had better talent in the QB room behind him? Easier said than done of course.
RE: RE: RE: RE: ...  
j_rud : 5/4/2021 10:23 pm : link
In comment 15254098 Chris684 said:
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In comment 15254023 Go Terps said:


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In comment 15253988 Sean said:


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In comment 15253984 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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This was a home run draft for the Giants IMO. I feel good about this team going forward outside of whether DJ is the answer long term, but we'll find out this fall. And if not, we got capital to take his successor next spring.


Exactly. There’s so much debate on Jones, but it’s not a big deal either way. The Giants aren’t married to him and it’s more than reasonable to give him a third year with a slew of weapons. If he doesn’t pan out, it’s easy to move on. No big deal.



This is true. I just hate committing all of 2021 to an experiment. There should at least be a viable alternative in the building.

But yeah I agree. The acquisition of that first rounder next year was really good.



Do you realize how dumb this sounds?


Its dumb to have a capable backup who can
A) push the starter (competition is nlt a bad thing)
B) mitigate games lost to injury (its happened each of the past 2 seasons, tough as Jones is)
C) not drive the car into the ditch should, worst case scenario, Jones faulters and leaves an otherwise talented and capable roster holding the bag

Everyone wants Jones to succeed. Its the most direct route to relevancy and quality football. But having a contingency plan when your young and overhauled roster would benefit from meaningful football, maybe even a playoff appearance, isnt dumb.
This is what happens  
SleepyOwl : 5/4/2021 10:37 pm : link
When a team goes with BPA and sticks to it. I’m not saying all of these guys are going to be all pro... but 1 probowl maybe 2 from this draft will not surprise me.
wow Jeremiah had brightwell in his top 150?  
Eric on Li : 5/4/2021 10:53 pm : link
his cross cutting style kind of reminds me of bradshaw a little bit but Bradshaw's highlights from Marshall were insane. Brightwell looks more like the slowed down version of Bradshaw.
Zack Thomas  
Adam G in Big D : 5/4/2021 11:37 pm : link
QB for Appalachian State University is still an UDFA he would be a good pick up to provide competition in camp and possibly a backup quarterback once the season starts.
RE: Here were his final top 150 rankings  
mavric : 5/5/2021 8:07 am : link
In comment 15254009 ryanmkeane said:
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on April 26, starting from last:

Gary Brightwell: ranked 138, picked 196
Elerson Smith: ranked 73, picked 116
Aaron Robinson: ranked 55, picked 71
Azeez Ojulari: ranked 30, picked 50
Kadarius Toney: ranked 28, picked 20

Rodarius Williams not ranked in top 150


Interesting, other analysts like WalterFootball did not have a ranking for Brightwell, but this is their ranking on Rodarius Williams with comment:

Pick 201 "Rodarius Williams, CB, Oklahoma State - A+ Grade
I'm shocked Rodarius Williams lasted this long. I had him in the third round of my mock draft, thanks to a great 2020 season. This is a great value pick, and Williams could potentially fill a position of need

Grading Every Giant Pick - ( New Window )
RE: Zack Thomas  
k2tampa : 5/5/2021 9:17 am : link
In comment 15254174 Adam G in Big D said:
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QB for Appalachian State University is still an UDFA he would be a good pick up to provide competition in camp and possibly a backup quarterback once the season starts.


You think an undrafted QB from Appalachian St., is going to be better than Glennon this year? These same fans expect every draft pick to be the best he will ever be the moment he steps into the training facility. It takes time. Man, sometimes I just can't believe how some people think.
And, sorry folks, but with the salary cap, the days of having Hostetler sitting behind Simms are over.
The best thing about this draft  
DavidinBMNY : 5/5/2021 9:25 am : link
Was clear intention to look at a multi-year approach to roster building and how they paired it with a multi-year approach to FA.

There are so many good things about this draft. For a team that didn't outright tank and to have 10 draft picks in a projected very strong draft and 5 top 100 picks is really something else. say it with me 5 top 100 picks in 22.

The question I have outstanding, but have confidence in.
RE: RE: Zack Thomas  
Mike in NY : 5/5/2021 9:31 am : link
In comment 15254325 k2tampa said:
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In comment 15254174 Adam G in Big D said:


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QB for Appalachian State University is still an UDFA he would be a good pick up to provide competition in camp and possibly a backup quarterback once the season starts.



You think an undrafted QB from Appalachian St., is going to be better than Glennon this year? These same fans expect every draft pick to be the best he will ever be the moment he steps into the training facility. It takes time. Man, sometimes I just can't believe how some people think.
And, sorry folks, but with the salary cap, the days of having Hostetler sitting behind Simms are over.


I don't think a UDFA will beat out Glennon, but I would like to see some competition for 2nd and 3rd QB spot as Jones has never made it through a full season healthy
That's a great reflection on a great draft  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/5/2021 5:10 pm : link
Sure, it's helped by not having a 7th round pick (which would have dragged down the mean), but it's helped even more by having executed a truly fantastic draft.

It's now on Judge and company to develop these kids, but we did add a lot of talent last week.
RE: another thread  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/5/2021 5:21 pm : link
In comment 15254028 ryanmkeane said:
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hijacked, this will end well

If only we all just dropped to our knees for every single thing the Giants do, maybe you'd be happier.
RE: RE: another thread  
Go Terps : 5/5/2021 5:24 pm : link
In comment 15255287 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 15254028 ryanmkeane said:


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hijacked, this will end well


If only we all just dropped to our knees for every single thing the Giants do, maybe you'd be happier.


What's funny is my one post on this thread generated five posts whining about my post.

So who is doing the hijacking?
RE: He says it’s for fun  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/5/2021 5:25 pm : link
In comment 15254016 UConn4523 said:
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and his second chart with the points per selection is what’s more interesting since it evens out the teams with lots of later picks. When you factor in the trade the value is overwhelming.

The points per pick metric actually hurts teams with a lot of later picks. Those later picks all carry a lower numerator value but an equal denominator value. They drag down the mean.
RE: RE: RE: another thread  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/5/2021 5:27 pm : link
In comment 15255292 Go Terps said:
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In comment 15255287 Gatorade Dunk said:


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In comment 15254028 ryanmkeane said:


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hijacked, this will end well


If only we all just dropped to our knees for every single thing the Giants do, maybe you'd be happier.



What's funny is my one post on this thread generated five posts whining about my post.

So who is doing the hijacking?

To steal your line about another poster, if the Giants traded a draft pick for a blanket infected with small pox, Ryan would find a way to defend the move.
RE: RE: He says it’s for fun  
Thegratefulhead : 5/5/2021 5:33 pm : link
In comment 15255293 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 15254016 UConn4523 said:


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and his second chart with the points per selection is what’s more interesting since it evens out the teams with lots of later picks. When you factor in the trade the value is overwhelming.


The points per pick metric actually hurts teams with a lot of later picks. Those later picks all carry a lower numerator value but an equal denominator value. They drag down the mean.
Solid.
Giants place 2nd overall based on Daniel Jeremiah's rubric  
M.S. : 5/5/2021 6:52 pm : link

on points / draft pick.
RE: Here were his final top 150 rankings  
BestFeature : 5/5/2021 10:49 pm : link
In comment 15254009 ryanmkeane said:
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on April 26, starting from last:

Gary Brightwell: ranked 138, picked 196
Elerson Smith: ranked 73, picked 116
Aaron Robinson: ranked 55, picked 71
Azeez Ojulari: ranked 30, picked 50
Kadarius Toney: ranked 28, picked 20

Rodarius Williams not ranked in top 150


How does he grade players not in the top 150?
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