Lost in the shuffle... the Giants have Kenny Golladay

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Not saying anyone should bet on Ross becoming a huge factor, but NO ONE is talking about him. Everyone in the media talks about the offense and mentions Barkley coming back, Golliday, Toney, Sheppard, Slayton, Engram, and Rudolph. And how DJ has no excuses now.

People forget that if he does nothing else, Ross can just run go routes and take the top off of defenses -- even if they don't throw to him often.

In terms of the OL and what if we are still mediocre (I'm being generous).

With Golloday as a deep threat, I don't see teams stacking the box otherwsie Golloday will burn them. This would ostensibly ease some pressure off the OL giving DJ more time to throw. Add in Barkley and Toney who can catch passes in the flat / dump-offs, plus Rudolph as a big safety valve underneath, and there are a lot of ways this team can beat you even with a suspect OL. And that doesn't take into account Shepard, Slayton, Ross and yes, Engram.

That’s a lot of offensive firepower to add to your team in one offseason.

with him we can create space for Toney and Sheppard and Slayton provwd he wasnt ready to take on the top CBs on the opposing team.

Everybody gets licked down a level whe you have a true #1.

He's a dumpster dive for a reason - he sucked ass in Cincinnati.

that he's looked at as more of a possession WR, which is seriously underestimating his ability IMO.

is the OL, here's hoping they're up to the task.

but there's no denying what he bring to the table if healthy. We haven't had anyone like him since Plax (not making a direct comparison, they are different players) and adding Toney just strengthens this signing, IMO. Perfect compliment and should also make Slayton more effective.

Ohh and getting Barkley back!

them from the game are over.

Can't stack box now.

Front office has supplied the weapons. Coaches need to do their job now and use them to best of ability.

Key to season will be OL. I'm excited about the new OL coach. Hoping for the best.

Routine acrobatic catches, yet pretty soft-spoken.

He only Tweeted a total of THREE TIMES during the entire season last year and two of them were about Christmas.

I like it.

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is the OL, here's hoping they're up to the task.

I'm optimistic that a new mix of players (e.g., Fulton) and perhaps a potential vet addition as camps move forward, along with, as the major piece, a year of development and improvement of the existing pieces (renewed and better coaching/teaching), will raise the level a lot form last season. They won't bring in any all-pros (maybe a former one) but enough so that along with everything else that was mentioned (which didn't include Rudolph assisting with blocking), we won't be too self-destructive.

barring some truly ridiculous bad luck the NYG should have at least 1 big time weapon they didn't have last year in each game. For a team that lost a lot of games by 1 play here and there that's a big deal.

my preference was Golladay + a 1st round WR talent, and it happened

Golladay led the NFL for WR in touchdowns in 2019, and Stafford played 8 games that year

In comment 15254590 Greg from LI said:

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He's a dumpster dive for a reason - he sucked ass in Cincinnati.

Seriously, he'll be lucky to be active on game days after drafting Toney:

Golladay
Slayton
Toney
Shepard
ST contributor (most likely)

talked the KG off-season idea, courtship, health, acquisition, etc to death.

We needed a break... ;)

I'm very curious to see how good KG is going to perform on a bigger stage and without a superior thrower (Stafford) throwing lasers to him.

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talked the KG off-season idea, courtship, health, acquisition, etc to death. We needed a break... ;) I'm very curious to see how good KG is going to perform on a bigger stage and without a superior thrower (Stafford) throwing lasers to him.

I guess those five minutes of optimism from you during the draft was enough for the year?

The excitement from all the weapons we've added is starting to wear off and I'm really concerned with our OL...

Thomas Lemieux Gates Hernandez Peart

IMO this young OL's development is more important than Saquon returning + the addition of Golladay combined

I have faith in Thomas and Gates... jury is still out on Lemeiux and Peart but Hernandez really hasn't shown any improvement from his rookie season and at this point, I know he's still really young, but I don't expect to see it from Hernandez.

In comment 15254634 bw in dc said:

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talked the KG off-season idea, courtship, health, acquisition, etc to death. We needed a break... ;) I'm very curious to see how good KG is going to perform on a bigger stage and without a superior thrower (Stafford) throwing lasers to him.

You could argue that having a putative superior thrower squandered his best talent of winning balls.

as Gettleman and JJ appear to believe they are, we will be a pick your poison offense.

8 in the box to stop Saquan and rolling coverage to KG? Toney, Engram and Slayton/Shep - at least one of those (probably 2) has 1on1

As emotional as we get about Engram and his drops - they still have to cover him!

2 deep safeties/man under? Saquon running behind an OL that allowed WAYNE GALLMAN to avg 4.8 ypc and you better have a spy on DJ.

Blitz w/ Zone? KG and Shep set up shop in the soft spots.

Blitz w/man? Better have a spy, hope the OL doesnt pick it up and hope Toney and Engram dont win early. If they break one tackle - gone. [Engram cant catch] Joke [/Engram cant catch]

All depends on OL, DJ and Garrett but unlike last year, we have guys that can force a DC into making choices.

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In comment 15254634 bw in dc said: Quote: talked the KG off-season idea, courtship, health, acquisition, etc to death. We needed a break... ;) I'm very curious to see how good KG is going to perform on a bigger stage and without a superior thrower (Stafford) throwing lasers to him. I guess those five minutes of optimism from you during the draft was enough for the year?

A. It was more than five minutes. I 'm not sure about all of the players, or the positions added, but I thought we finally acted like a team who knew how to optimize the draft board.

B. I actually feel great about the D. I am very fond of Graham and believe he's going to get the most out of a lot of options now.

In comment 15254634 bw in dc said:

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talked the KG off-season idea, courtship, health, acquisition, etc to death. We needed a break... ;) I'm very curious to see how good KG is going to perform on a bigger stage and without a superior thrower (Stafford) throwing lasers to him.

I don't know, I'm curious to see how KG performs with one of the best rated deep ball throwers from last year too.

He makes tough catches.

I wanted Samuel. That was my #1 priority. We got a Samuel with Toney. The perfect fit and the last piece we needed.

If Barkley is 100% our skill position guys are truly elite. A great mix too. Explosive across the board. We are going from the bottom of the league to the top in scoring this year.

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In comment 15254634 bw in dc said: Quote: talked the KG off-season idea, courtship, health, acquisition, etc to death. We needed a break... ;) I'm very curious to see how good KG is going to perform on a bigger stage and without a superior thrower (Stafford) throwing lasers to him. I don't know, I'm curious to see how KG performs with one of the best rated deep ball throwers from last year too.

Stafford can make every throw on a football field - at times to his detriment - and the ball gets there is a hurry. Stafford can legitimately throw receivers open. I'm not convinced Jones can do that. So that's going to be different for KG.

But, yes, Jones throwing deep to KG will be worth watching...

This team is going to be FUN to watch. I’m excited. Would be great if they opened up camp to public, but that might be asking too much.

In comment 15254588 Dankbeerman said:

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Everybody gets licked down a level whe you have a true #1.

First of all, I like to get licked down a level once in a while.

2nd, I've seen some critics say Golladay isn't a true #1 and I'm like, really?

Are there a lot of #2 WRs out there that have led the league in TDs, 7th in yards and 3rd in YAC?

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talked the KG off-season idea, courtship, health, acquisition, etc to death. We needed a break... ;) I'm very curious to see how good KG is going to perform on a bigger stage and without a superior thrower (Stafford) throwing lasers to him.

yeah, clearly leaving the comfy and awesome confines of Detroit for the awful, fear inducing stage of NY/NJ will prevent Galladay from catching TD passes and producing.

Seriously, where the hell do you come with this nonsense?

In comment 15254627 ryanmkeane said:

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my preference was Golladay + a 1st round WR talent, and it happened

Me too.

I think any so called short comings about him are overstated around here. He's been more often than not an average or even slightly above average guard from year one. He slipped a bit in 2020 but not to the point where he's on the bubble. He also was sick.

I think the OL will be better overall in 2021. It should play more like the 2nd half unit we saw last year which would be just fine, albeit not perfect.

mini camp and pre-season will help this team immensely.

KG is a pro and has been working with DJ on timing, routes and etc... It would be nice if DJ8, has another QB & WR session, where all guys can put in some extra work on timing, routes and etc..

In comment 15254649 90.Cal said:

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The excitement from all the weapons we've added is starting to wear off and I'm really concerned with our OL... Thomas Lemieux Gates Hernandez Peart IMO this young OL's development is more important than Saquon returning + the addition of Golladay combined I have faith in Thomas and Gates... jury is still out on Lemeiux and Peart but Hernandez really hasn't shown any improvement from his rookie season and at this point, I know he's still really young, but I don't expect to see it from Hernandez.

I said this 100 times since FA began that this line as is is a HUMPTY Dumpty line, and all the wishing, and hoping on here, and all the excuses from COVID to being young will put the line back together again. I’ve heard that this so called great coaching staff can teach them to be good rather they have talent, or not.That is a lot to wish, and hope for.

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yeah, clearly leaving the comfy and awesome confines of Detroit for the awful, fear inducing stage of NY/NJ will prevent Galladay from catching TD passes and producing. Seriously, where the hell do you come with this nonsense?

Nice try. You know damn well there is a delta in QB skill between Stafford and Jones.

Or maybe you don't, which would be strange...

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In comment 15254634 bw in dc said: Quote: talked the KG off-season idea, courtship, health, acquisition, etc to death. We needed a break... ;) I'm very curious to see how good KG is going to perform on a bigger stage and without a superior thrower (Stafford) throwing lasers to him. yeah, clearly leaving the comfy and awesome confines of Detroit for the awful, fear inducing stage of NY/NJ will prevent Galladay from catching TD passes and producing. Seriously, where the hell do you come with this nonsense?

First, you start out with a very large dose of negativity, then you add.. ah, I don't want to be mean, so you can guess the rest.

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Not saying anyone should bet on Ross becoming a huge factor, but NO ONE is talking about him. Everyone in the media talks about the offense and mentions Barkley coming back, Golliday, Toney, Sheppard, Slayton, Engram, and Rudolph. And how DJ has no excuses now. People forget that if he does nothing else, Ross can just run go routes and take the top off of defenses -- even if they don't throw to him often.

I was talking about him before the draft, saying why if the Giants ended up not going WR in the draft it would be okay because of the additions of Golloday and Ross. If Ross can stay healthy and catch a few balls, he has blazing speed to stretch the field.

In comment 15254634 bw in dc said:

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talked the KG off-season idea, courtship, health, acquisition, etc to death. We needed a break... ;) I'm very curious to see how good KG is going to perform on a bigger stage and without a superior thrower (Stafford) throwing lasers to him.

You miss 100% of the shots at Daniel Jones you don't take. Fire away.

In comment 15254696 KWALL2 said:

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He makes tough catches. I wanted Samuel. That was my #1 priority. We got a Samuel with Toney. The perfect fit and the last piece we needed. If Barkley is 100% our skill position guys are truly elite. A great mix too. Explosive across the board. We are going from the bottom of the league to the top in scoring this year.

Sort of an interesting hypothetical - which combo would you rather?

KG/Toney
Samuel/Bateman

I think I'd lean towards the former because there's more upside even with the lower cash invested in the 2nd group (though I suppose if there was a compelling extra player added to group 2, like Thuney, the balance shifts). I do think Samuel was really coming into his own last year though and he's more than 2 years younger than Golladay.

(also i'm not trying to nitpick, i'm really happy with what we've got)

In comment 15254627 ryanmkeane said:

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my preference was Golladay + a 1st round WR talent, and it happened

Me too. Wanted Waddle, ended up way better. Waddle is a better prospect but Toney and the picks is >> Waddle alone.

and I wonder when they targeted O'Brien as well. Who else can we pilfer from the Lions?

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This team is going to be FUN to watch. I’m excited. Would be great if they opened up camp to public, but that might be asking too much.

I thought that they were a *lot* of fun to watch last year.

to describe football players or football in general.

It's not more draft picks acquired it's "draft capital"

There is a "delta between the two" not a difference between the two players.

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In comment 15254716 djm said: Quote: yeah, clearly leaving the comfy and awesome confines of Detroit for the awful, fear inducing stage of NY/NJ will prevent Galladay from catching TD passes and producing. Seriously, where the hell do you come with this nonsense? Nice try. You know damn well there is a delta in QB skill between Stafford and Jones. Or maybe you don't, which would be strange...

Not on tight window throws down the field. Jones is elite there. I really think you should back off on this narrative. Jones is driven and throws a perfect ball for Golloday. Really, turn on Jones highlights, look at the big plays and imagine Golloday there.

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and I wonder when they targeted O'Brien as well. Who else can we pilfer from the Lions?

Think the Lions would have taken Jones for Stafford...? ;)

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In comment 15254714 UberAlias said: Quote: This team is going to be FUN to watch. I’m excited. Would be great if they opened up camp to public, but that might be asking too much. I thought that they were a *lot* of fun to watch last year.

I'd call it ugly fun, it was good to see positive traction of any kind on gamedays. But, the lack of finishers dulled the shine and cost them a better record/division crown.

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and I wonder when they targeted O'Brien as well. Who else can we pilfer from the Lions?

Penei Sewell?

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In comment 15254716 djm said: Quote: yeah, clearly leaving the comfy and awesome confines of Detroit for the awful, fear inducing stage of NY/NJ will prevent Galladay from catching TD passes and producing. Seriously, where the hell do you come with this nonsense? Nice try. You know damn well there is a delta in QB skill between Stafford and Jones. Or maybe you don't, which would be strange...

Have you looked at Stafford's stats for his first 2 years, lately?

D. Jones first two years are better than Stafford's (avg. QBR nearly 60 vs mid 40s). And Stafford didn't have the long list of shit going against him going into his 2nd yr (he had some shit going against him, but nothing like D. Jones had last year).

Oh, let me guess, you can't compare them. Different era, right? Give me a break.

But guess what? Stafford took a large leap forward in his THIRD season. Hmmm.

talking about the impact of Golladay, comparing it to Plax. Gilbride mentioned the impact Golladay would have in helping the run game. All I can think about is 2008, after the Plax incident and playing Philly in the playoffs. WRs getting mugged at the LOS, our oline that had been so dominant all year...didn't matter..Philly mugged the run too. Golladay is going to have a big impact on the offense.

In comment 15254735 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15254716 djm said: Quote: yeah, clearly leaving the comfy and awesome confines of Detroit for the awful, fear inducing stage of NY/NJ will prevent Galladay from catching TD passes and producing. Seriously, where the hell do you come with this nonsense? Nice try. You know damn well there is a delta in QB skill between Stafford and Jones. Or maybe you don't, which would be strange...

I'm not going to argue a Jones to Stafford comparison right now because that would be too early in Jones' career to be fair. However I will say it must have been really hard to throw Calvin Johnson, Golden Tate (in his prime), and Kenny Golladay open. You can put Stafford on pedestal if you want to but Dante Culpepper looked really good with Randy Moss.

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In comment 15254756 Bill L said: Quote: In comment 15254714 UberAlias said: Quote: This team is going to be FUN to watch. I’m excited. Would be great if they opened up camp to public, but that might be asking too much. I thought that they were a *lot* of fun to watch last year. I'd call it ugly fun, it was good to see positive traction of any kind on gamedays. But, the lack of finishers dulled the shine and cost them a better record/division crown.

Part of it was also (for me anyway) diversion and part was relief that we had any football at all to watch last year.

in his prime, when Stafford was a rookie. He also had TE Pettigrew. Who'd D. Jones have? Yet Jones outperformed Stafford.