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NFT: Rangers Fire John Davidson and Jeff Gorton

Burt64 : 5/5/2021 2:49 pm
ummm wow
Anak as GM?  
BrettNYG10 : 5/5/2021 2:50 pm : link
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Burt64 : 5/5/2021 2:51 pm : link
Larry Brooks
@NYP_Brooksie
BREAKING. Shocker. Rangers have fired John Davidson and Jeff Gorton, Post has learned. Chris Drury will remain with organization and will have prominent role.
Wtf?  
LauderdaleMatty : 5/5/2021 2:51 pm : link
Well the Wilson thing has to have had something to do w this doesn't it.

George Parros takes more scalps.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/5/2021 2:51 pm : link
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Something obviously  
LauderdaleMatty : 5/5/2021 2:52 pm : link
Blew up.
Bettman  
Sammo85 : 5/5/2021 2:52 pm : link
Called Dolan.
WTF?  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/5/2021 2:52 pm : link
Who was in position to fire them?
wow  
Enzo : 5/5/2021 2:53 pm : link
Most shocking local firing since....???
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Jim in Scranton : 5/5/2021 2:53 pm : link
Sources say that #NYR president John Davidson and GM Jeff Gorton scurried to distance themselves from the team statement that was issued on Tuesday night, telling other executives that they did not know it was in the works until after it was released.

https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1390015608713097216
RE: George Parros takes more scalps.  
Del Shofner : 5/5/2021 2:54 pm : link
In comment 15254986 BrettNYG10 said:
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sure looks like it
Wow.  
mfsd : 5/5/2021 2:54 pm : link
Wow.
Brooks:  
Enzo : 5/5/2021 2:55 pm : link
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But a divergence of philosophies emerged between Dolan and the Davidson-Gorton ticket, with sources indicating that the CEO believes that it is time to take the next step in this process while the front office people have continued to preach patience and a longer-view panoramic take of situation.

As well, it is believed that the hockey hierarchy’s collection of skill players at the expense of will players did not sit well with Dolan. The recent mismatches against the Islanders highlighted the team’s deficiencies in grit and leadership and may have accelerated, if not prompted, this stunning decision.

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Wow. Hard to see this coming.  
Metnut : 5/5/2021 2:56 pm : link
With the Knicks being good is Dolan now taking a more active part in the Rangers?
RE: Brooks:  
BrettNYG10 : 5/5/2021 2:57 pm : link
In comment 15254996 Enzo said:
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But a divergence of philosophies emerged between Dolan and the Davidson-Gorton ticket, with sources indicating that the CEO believes that it is time to take the next step in this process while the front office people have continued to preach patience and a longer-view panoramic take of situation.

As well, it is believed that the hockey hierarchy’s collection of skill players at the expense of will players did not sit well with Dolan. The recent mismatches against the Islanders highlighted the team’s deficiencies in grit and leadership and may have accelerated, if not prompted, this stunning decision.

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I'm not in love with Gorton/Davidson (they've done a lot of good, some bad) but it is absolutely horrifying that Dolan is pushing his views on management.
I guess Quinn is out  
Essex : 5/5/2021 2:58 pm : link
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Dolan  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/5/2021 2:58 pm : link
the great thing about the Ranger's progress had been him staying the F out of it. Jesus. He is such an idiot.
RE: I guess Quinn is out  
Essex : 5/5/2021 2:58 pm : link
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just to be clear, a prediction not saying it is being reported
RE: George Parros takes more scalps.  
Scooter185 : 5/5/2021 2:58 pm : link
In comment 15254986 BrettNYG10 said:
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Sounds like the opposite
WTF  
larryflower37 : 5/5/2021 2:58 pm : link
Someone needs to explain how this will be a good thing?
Dolan is done screwing up the Knicks and has turn his sights on the Rangers
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Jim in Scranton : 5/5/2021 2:59 pm : link

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
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Like many of you, I assume this had to do with the events of the past 48 hours. I don’t believe Davidson/Gorton had anything to do with last night’s NYR statement; it was Dolan-driven....(1/2)

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
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However, there is word Dolan was unhappy with this NYR season and wanted to make a change. Seems crazy to me, because they have a come a long, long way in two years...but he’s the owner.
WHOA!  
Victor in CT : 5/5/2021 3:00 pm : link
Ballsy move. I think this whole Caps thing is an organizational embarrassment from the players on the ice to the coaching staff to the front office. Total pacifism on the ice, and the whiny bitch letter to the league following just awful looks. And this all on top of a season where the beat up on bad teams and get clobbered by good teams, like losing 9-0 over 2 games to the Islanders with the playoffs on the line.
So fire Quinn!  
Giantophile : 5/5/2021 3:00 pm : link
This is just ridiculous.
Wait, what?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/5/2021 3:01 pm : link
????????????????????
?????????!!?!!!!!!??!!!!!!!!
RE: Brooks:  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/5/2021 3:02 pm : link
In comment 15254996 Enzo said:
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But a divergence of philosophies emerged between Dolan and the Davidson-Gorton ticket, with sources indicating that the CEO believes that it is time to take the next step in this process while the front office people have continued to preach patience and a longer-view panoramic take of situation.

As well, it is believed that the hockey hierarchy’s collection of skill players at the expense of will players did not sit well with Dolan. The recent mismatches against the Islanders highlighted the team’s deficiencies in grit and leadership and may have accelerated, if not prompted, this stunning decision.

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Gotta sign Bobby Holik.
Absolutely shocking  
Kyle in NY : 5/5/2021 3:03 pm : link
No other way to describe it
RE: So fire Quinn!  
Essex : 5/5/2021 3:03 pm : link
In comment 15255012 Giantophile said:
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This is just ridiculous.

He is going to get fired. How could he not after this?
RE: RE: Brooks:  
BrettNYG10 : 5/5/2021 3:04 pm : link
In comment 15255017 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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But a divergence of philosophies emerged between Dolan and the Davidson-Gorton ticket, with sources indicating that the CEO believes that it is time to take the next step in this process while the front office people have continued to preach patience and a longer-view panoramic take of situation.

As well, it is believed that the hockey hierarchy’s collection of skill players at the expense of will players did not sit well with Dolan. The recent mismatches against the Islanders highlighted the team’s deficiencies in grit and leadership and may have accelerated, if not prompted, this stunning decision.

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Gotta sign Bobby Holik.


Trigger warning please.
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Jim in Scranton : 5/5/2021 3:04 pm : link
Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
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I’m told the firing of Gorton and Davidson by NYR is coincidental and not related to the statement issued yesterday related to Tom Wilson. Another source says ownership felt the Rangers underachieved this season.
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Anakim : 5/5/2021 3:05 pm : link
In comment 15254983 Burt64 said:
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Larry Brooks
@NYP_Brooksie
BREAKING. Shocker. Rangers have fired John Davidson and Jeff Gorton, Post has learned. Chris Drury will remain with organization and will have prominent role.


Excuse me?
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Enzo : 5/5/2021 3:06 pm : link
In comment 15255023 Jim in Scranton said:
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Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
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I’m told the firing of Gorton and Davidson by NYR is coincidental and not related to the statement issued yesterday related to Tom Wilson. Another source says ownership felt the Rangers underachieved this season.

if that's the case, you would think Davidson would have been given the chance to hire at least one more coach.
this team had so much promise going forward  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/5/2021 3:06 pm : link
going to be a tough watch after Dolan trades all the young talent for Carmelo Anthony
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shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/5/2021 3:06 pm : link
In comment 15255023 Jim in Scranton said:
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Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
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I’m told the firing of Gorton and Davidson by NYR is coincidental and not related to the statement issued yesterday related to Tom Wilson. Another source says ownership felt the Rangers underachieved this season.


Unless JD and Gort didn’t want to fire Quinn, THAT is the first move that needs to be made.
RE: Anak as GM?  
Anakim : 5/5/2021 3:06 pm : link
In comment 15254981 BrettNYG10 said:
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Only if you're my Kevin Abrams
Just what we all needed  
PwndPapi : 5/5/2021 3:06 pm : link
Dolan becoming more involved in hockey operations.
Quinn's gone. Just no point to do it it now.  
Victor in CT : 5/5/2021 3:06 pm : link
new GM will pick his own coach.
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Essex : 5/5/2021 3:07 pm : link
In comment 15255029 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
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I’m told the firing of Gorton and Davidson by NYR is coincidental and not related to the statement issued yesterday related to Tom Wilson. Another source says ownership felt the Rangers underachieved this season.



Unless JD and Gort didn’t want to fire Quinn, THAT is the first move that needs to be made.


That was my thinking as well, but wouldn't Quinn also be fired as well if that was the case
I'm surprised they fired Davidson  
JonC : 5/5/2021 3:07 pm : link
Gorton and Quinn, I dunno, felt like they were in over their heads in some respects. Shocking turn of events on JD.
RE: RE: So fire Quinn!  
mfsd : 5/5/2021 3:07 pm : link
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This is just ridiculous.


He is going to get fired. How could he not after this?


Yup he’s history, just a matter of time. I really wanted JD to raise a Cup here.

While I cringe at the thought of Dolan being Dolan with the Rangers, the all-skill/no grit assessment is valid.
RE: RE: So fire Quinn!  
Giantophile : 5/5/2021 3:07 pm : link
In comment 15255021 Essex said:
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This is just ridiculous.


He is going to get fired. How could he not after this?


Dolan is going to torpedo this franchise right when it's poised to be a top tier team.
RE: Brooks:  
Anakim : 5/5/2021 3:07 pm : link
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But a divergence of philosophies emerged between Dolan and the Davidson-Gorton ticket, with sources indicating that the CEO believes that it is time to take the next step in this process while the front office people have continued to preach patience and a longer-view panoramic take of situation.

As well, it is believed that the hockey hierarchy’s collection of skill players at the expense of will players did not sit well with Dolan. The recent mismatches against the Islanders highlighted the team’s deficiencies in grit and leadership and may have accelerated, if not prompted, this stunning decision.

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That is absolutely insane. Absolutely INSANE. Great. The Knicks are doing well, so Dolan has turned his attention to the Rangers. Lovely.
I guess Thibs will have to coach both teams.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/5/2021 3:08 pm : link
Why do I get the feeling something dumb like Hank or Mark Messier taking over will happen?
RE: Wow. Hard to see this coming.  
Mad Mike : 5/5/2021 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15254999 Metnut said:
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With the Knicks being good is Dolan now taking a more active part in the Rangers?

God help us.
How the fuck does Quinn survive?  
Bricktop : 5/5/2021 3:09 pm : link
Is Drury now the leading candidate for GM?

What a mess.
..  
Jim in Scranton : 5/5/2021 3:09 pm : link
Andrew Marchand
@AndrewMarchand
Larry Brooks says Mark Messier high on list as replacement.
This is just...I mean...  
Anakim : 5/5/2021 3:10 pm : link
This isn't good news. I wasn't Gorton's biggest fan, as he's made a few questionable moves, but Quinn is the bigger issue and JD was a Ranger through and through.

I'm just absolutely shocked. This honestly scares the hell out of me. I don't know what Dolan will do, but this isn't good...
RE: ..  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/5/2021 3:10 pm : link
In comment 15255045 Jim in Scranton said:
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Andrew Marchand
@AndrewMarchand
Larry Brooks says Mark Messier high on list as replacement.


What do I win?
RE: ..  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/5/2021 3:11 pm : link
In comment 15255045 Jim in Scranton said:
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Andrew Marchand
@AndrewMarchand
Larry Brooks says Mark Messier high on list as replacement.

Why not Phil Jackson? He's a name?
RE: ..  
Essex : 5/5/2021 3:11 pm : link
In comment 15255045 Jim in Scranton said:
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Andrew Marchand
@AndrewMarchand
Larry Brooks says Mark Messier high on list as replacement.

the next Isiah.
Chris Drury will be both President and GM  
Anakim : 5/5/2021 3:11 pm : link
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Since hockey is going over to TNT (Turner)  
Jim in Scranton : 5/5/2021 3:12 pm : link
Maybe Dolan could bring in Sir Charles or Shaq.
Just  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/5/2021 3:13 pm : link
disgusting... it is a tragedy that my favorite teams are owned by this trust fund baby.
RE: How the fuck does Quinn survive?  
Anakim : 5/5/2021 3:14 pm : link
In comment 15255044 Bricktop said:
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Is Drury now the leading candidate for GM?

What a mess.


I think it becomes somewhat more likely. Drury was apparently the driving force to bring in Quinn. Drury and Quinn are good ol' Boston boys.
This is SO FUCKING DUMB  
Bear vs Shark : 5/5/2021 3:14 pm : link
What the fuck?! Not feeling good about this AT ALL.
Think about Dolan  
Essex : 5/5/2021 3:15 pm : link
this is a guy who owns (inherited) two of the most prized sports teams in America and gets so bent out of shape if someone has a sign or shirt mocking him. Could you imagine being that fortunate in life and being that thin-skinned at the same time. That is the problem with him, he can't stand dissension.
RE: WHOA!  
Justlurking : 5/5/2021 3:18 pm : link
In comment 15255010 Victor in CT said:
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Ballsy move. I think this whole Caps thing is an organizational embarrassment from the players on the ice to the coaching staff to the front office. Total pacifism on the ice, and the whiny bitch letter to the league following just awful looks. And this all on top of a season where the beat up on bad teams and get clobbered by good teams, like losing 9-0 over 2 games to the Islanders with the playoffs on the line.


cannot agree more
Dolan was apparently the only guy  
NYerInMA : 5/5/2021 3:23 pm : link
who thought the Rangers were Cup contenders this year. This move makes zero sense to me.
If you liked yesterday’s statement, then know that was Dolan  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/5/2021 3:24 pm : link
and not JD-Gort.
I gave up on the Knicks years ago  
SJGiant : 5/5/2021 3:25 pm : link
Because of Dolan. I thought the Rangers were immune to Dolan. My mistake.
RE: If you liked yesterday’s statement, then know that was Dolan  
BrettNYG10 : 5/5/2021 3:25 pm : link
In comment 15255076 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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and not JD-Gort.


Please don't do this to me.
Mark Messier will be on the TMKS at 4:00 PM  
Anakim : 5/5/2021 3:25 pm : link
Coincidentally
Messier  
mitch300 : 5/5/2021 3:27 pm : link
Is scheduled to be on the MKS at 4. He was booked before the announcement. It will be interesting if he cancels, which could mean he is in the mix for front office position?
This feels fishy  
jv : 5/5/2021 3:27 pm : link
IF this was performance based it would have happened after these last 3 games. This is too big of a coincidence that it occurred after the statement that it's not somehow related. Dolan doesn't stand for those that cross him.
this line from Brooks' column is it in a nutshell:  
Victor in CT : 5/5/2021 3:28 pm : link
"The recent mismatches against the Islanders highlighted the team’s deficiencies in grit and leadership and may have accelerated, if not prompted, this stunning decision"

you can't have a hockey team full of conscientious objectors.
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Bricktop : 5/5/2021 3:28 pm : link
Not for nothing, but I always found it somewhat ironic that  
Anakim : 5/5/2021 3:38 pm : link
Dolan absolutely LOVES Allan Houston and Chris Drury when in fact they were given two of the worst contracts in the history of their respective sports. I mean both vastly underachieved (in Houston's case it was mostly injuries, but the 7-year, 100M deal was just an albatross on the neck of the Knicks).

Of course that doesn't have anything to do with their business and personnel intellect, but it's just weird.
RE: Not for nothing, but I always found it somewhat ironic that  
Jon in NYC : 5/5/2021 3:39 pm : link
In comment 15255104 Anakim said:
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Dolan absolutely LOVES Allan Houston and Chris Drury when in fact they were given two of the worst contracts in the history of their respective sports. I mean both vastly underachieved (in Houston's case it was mostly injuries, but the 7-year, 100M deal was just an albatross on the neck of the Knicks).

Of course that doesn't have anything to do with their business and personnel intellect, but it's just weird.


There is causation, not correlation. They got big contracts because Dolan loved them. It's part of what makes him a bad owner, too many emotional decisions.
This sounds like James Dolan  
Bricktop : 5/5/2021 3:41 pm : link
had a temper tantrum. No reason to fire either guy from a hockey standpoint. Especially right now. Dolan is a fucking toilet stain.
I hate Dolan  
Saquon'sQuadz : 5/5/2021 3:43 pm : link
so much
Well, a fitting end to the weirdest season in Rangers history  
Anakim : 5/5/2021 3:46 pm : link
Starts off by winning the first overall pick for the first time ever. Hey, maybe things will be all right!

But then...


K'Andre's racial slur thing
Zibanejad's COVID situation
Panarin leaving the team because of Putin goons
Tony DeAngelo and that debacle, along with the rumors afterwards
Tom Wilson
The statement yesterday
Firing of Gorton and JD


Well, it's a fitting end in many ways...Weird as alllllll shit.
Which is more likely the reason  
Matt M. : 5/5/2021 3:52 pm : link
The team statement about the league and Wilson or a shift in direction between ownership and management.
Thanks god Dolan cleaned house  
bxgiants4 : 5/5/2021 3:54 pm : link
Team full of pansies watching Wilson run wild. No guts at all. Disgraceful

Next is Quinn he can’t go fast enough
RE: RE: Brooks:  
Greg from LI : 5/5/2021 3:55 pm : link
In comment 15255000 BrettNYG10 said:
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I'm not in love with Gorton/Davidson (they've done a lot of good, some bad) but it is absolutely horrifying that Dolan is pushing his views on management.


100% agreed. Whatever the faults of the JD/Gorton team, Dolan taking a more prominent role is terrifying.
Meet your next GM of the New York Rangers!  
JohnF : 5/5/2021 3:56 pm : link
RE: Well, a fitting end to the weirdest season in Rangers history  
mfsd : 5/5/2021 4:01 pm : link
In comment 15255120 Anakim said:
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Starts off by winning the first overall pick for the first time ever. Hey, maybe things will be all right!

But then...


K'Andre's racial slur thing
Zibanejad's COVID situation
Panarin leaving the team because of Putin goons
Tony DeAngelo and that debacle, along with the rumors afterwards
Tom Wilson
The statement yesterday
Firing of Gorton and JD


Well, it's a fitting end in many ways...Weird as alllllll shit.


Man, when you step back and think about all that, you're spot on. For a team on the rise in many ways, some really weird juju
Watch Quinn survive all of this craziness  
Greg from LI : 5/5/2021 4:02 pm : link
That'll just be the cherry on top.
RE: Meet your next GM of the New York Rangers!  
mfsd : 5/5/2021 4:04 pm : link
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Playing the part of Phil Jackson....Mark Messier!  
Greg from LI : 5/5/2021 4:06 pm : link
I love Mess the player. He'll always have a special place in my heart......but I have absolutely no desire to see him in a key role in the organization.
Youngest team in the league  
Bricktop : 5/5/2021 4:06 pm : link
#1 draft pick this past year

#2 pick prior year

Elite and emerging talent in Fox

Panarin

Mika

Buch is clearly getting better

Miller has flashed as a rookie

Kravy has looked excellent at times as a "rookie"

Shesterkin can be elite again

Other players like Chytil, Kaako, Strome, Blackwell and others have played well with plenty of room to grow

They have a young, talented team with tons of potential not limited to just the playoffs - they'll contend for a cup for years with the right coach

There is a TON of good on the ice. Just leads me to believe this is a tantrum thrown by Dolan and has nothing to do with hockey.
RE: Youngest team in the league  
NYerInMA : 5/5/2021 4:07 pm : link
In comment 15255162 Bricktop said:
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#1 draft pick this past year

#2 pick prior year

Elite and emerging talent in Fox

Panarin

Mika

Buch is clearly getting better

Miller has flashed as a rookie

Kravy has looked excellent at times as a "rookie"

Shesterkin can be elite again

Other players like Chytil, Kaako, Strome, Blackwell and others have played well with plenty of room to grow

They have a young, talented team with tons of potential not limited to just the playoffs - they'll contend for a cup for years with the right coach

There is a TON of good on the ice. Just leads me to believe this is a tantrum thrown by Dolan and has nothing to do with hockey.


Agreed. I hope Drury stays the course and doesn't blow things up just to appease the man child owner.
poking around the internets.....  
Greg from LI : 5/5/2021 4:09 pm : link
The hot rumor seems to be that Dolan was intent on firing Gorton, JD opposed it, so he decided to fire both of them. It happened early because Dolan was annoyed that they put the word out around the league that they had nothing to do with the statement issued yesterday, but it was going to happen regardless.
RE: Well, a fitting end to the weirdest season in Rangers history  
csb : 5/5/2021 4:09 pm : link
In comment 15255120 Anakim said:
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Starts off by winning the first overall pick for the first time ever. Hey, maybe things will be all right!

But then...


K'Andre's racial slur thing
Zibanejad's COVID situation
Panarin leaving the team because of Putin goons
Tony DeAngelo and that debacle, along with the rumors afterwards
Tom Wilson
The statement yesterday
Firing of Gorton and JD


Well, it's a fitting end in many ways...Weird as alllllll shit.


Don't forget Barry Beck calling out JD and the Rangers over not supporting Mark Pavelich prior to his death
If Drury stays  
Bricktop : 5/5/2021 4:09 pm : link
I bet Quinn stays. Two BU guys watching out for each other.
Look, I agree that Dolan is a total asshole and he has no business  
Victor in CT : 5/5/2021 4:15 pm : link
making basketball or hockey decisions, BUT: the performance of this team the last month shows that they are seriously lacking in toughness and leadership. Beating up the Devils and Sabres then figure skating around the perimeter for 2 nights without a goal against the Islanders showed what they are. The total wimp out against the Caps was the exclamation point.
RE: Playing the part of Phil Jackson....Mark Messier!  
mfsd : 5/5/2021 4:16 pm : link
In comment 15255161 Greg from LI said:
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I love Mess the player. He'll always have a special place in my heart......but I have absolutely no desire to see him in a key role in the organization.


Yup agreed. He commands respect around the league and everyone would take his call, but how ready would he be for handling all parts of the org, including player development, cap management, etc?
Nightmare scenario  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/5/2021 4:16 pm : link
I guess Leon Rose pushed Dolan into borrdom.
RE: RE: Playing the part of Phil Jackson....Mark Messier!  
Victor in CT : 5/5/2021 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15255179 mfsd said:
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I love Mess the player. He'll always have a special place in my heart......but I have absolutely no desire to see him in a key role in the organization.



Yup agreed. He commands respect around the league and everyone would take his call, but how ready would he be for handling all parts of the org, including player development, cap management, etc?


I'm not sure I agree. Messier seems like a guy throws himself completely into anything he does and learns everything about it. And he can hire a capologist.
Haha  
JoeMoney19 : 5/5/2021 4:21 pm : link
Rick Carpiniello
@RickCarpiniello
This could be one of the most bat-shit things Dolan has ever done. #NYR
2:55 PM · May 5, 2021
The Rangers were the youngest team in hockey prior to the Devils'  
Greg from LI : 5/5/2021 4:23 pm : link
fire sale - how have they "underachieved? No one really expected them to make the playoffs this year.
RE: RE: RE: Playing the part of Phil Jackson....Mark Messier!  
mfsd : 5/5/2021 4:24 pm : link
In comment 15255182 Victor in CT said:
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I love Mess the player. He'll always have a special place in my heart......but I have absolutely no desire to see him in a key role in the organization.



Yup agreed. He commands respect around the league and everyone would take his call, but how ready would he be for handling all parts of the org, including player development, cap management, etc?



I'm not sure I agree. Messier seems like a guy throws himself completely into anything he does and learns everything about it. And he can hire a capologist.


If he gets the nod, would love to see you be right.

I’ll concede, as a Knicks fan, I’m eternally scarred by Dolan’s decisions, that’s why I’m feeling down about this,

You’re posts about the Rangers being cream puffs against the Isles, Bruins, Caps this year aren’t wrong
RE: The Rangers were the youngest team in hockey prior to the Devils'  
Victor in CT : 5/5/2021 4:28 pm : link
In comment 15255188 Greg from LI said:
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fire sale - how have they "underachieved? No one really expected them to make the playoffs this year.


I think there is a difference between underachieving and not competing. Not competing is far worse. They did not compete in those 2 games at the Mausoleum, and they tend not to against the tough teams.
RE: RE: The Rangers were the youngest team in hockey prior to the Devils'  
NYerInMA : 5/5/2021 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15255197 Victor in CT said:
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fire sale - how have they "underachieved? No one really expected them to make the playoffs this year.



I think there is a difference between underachieving and not competing. Not competing is far worse. They did not compete in those 2 games at the Mausoleum, and they tend not to against the tough teams.


That's coaching, not roster construction, though.
And that's on John Davidson?  
Greg from LI : 5/5/2021 4:30 pm : link
Who's been there less than a year?

Get a real coach already for crissakes.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Playing the part of Phil Jackson....Mark Messier!  
Victor in CT : 5/5/2021 4:30 pm : link
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I love Mess the player. He'll always have a special place in my heart......but I have absolutely no desire to see him in a key role in the organization.



Yup agreed. He commands respect around the league and everyone would take his call, but how ready would he be for handling all parts of the org, including player development, cap management, etc?



I'm not sure I agree. Messier seems like a guy throws himself completely into anything he does and learns everything about it. And he can hire a capologist.



If he gets the nod, would love to see you be right.

I’ll concede, as a Knicks fan, I’m eternally scarred by Dolan’s decisions, that’s why I’m feeling down about this,

You’re posts about the Rangers being cream puffs against the Isles, Bruins, Caps this year aren’t wrong


The other thing re Messier is good/bad: he also seems like he wouldn't take shit from anyone, including Dolan, which could make it a short tenure, more instability.
RE: Haha  
JohnF : 5/5/2021 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15255185 JoeMoney19 said:
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Rick Carpiniello
@RickCarpiniello
This could be one of the most bat-shit things Dolan has ever done. #NYR
2:55 PM · May 5, 2021


Rick is obviously unaware of what Dolan's done with the New York Knickerbockers, to make that statement. The firings of JD and Gorton don't even make the top 5 bat shit list for James Dolan!!

RE: RE: RE: The Rangers were the youngest team in hockey prior to the Devils'  
Victor in CT : 5/5/2021 4:42 pm : link
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fire sale - how have they "underachieved? No one really expected them to make the playoffs this year.



I think there is a difference between underachieving and not competing. Not competing is far worse. They did not compete in those 2 games at the Mausoleum, and they tend not to against the tough teams.



That's coaching, not roster construction, though.


not necessarily. they have a team of stylists, east-west guys who like to make pretty plays and not get dirty. too many of the same types.
The only time I've ever been that sickened watching a Ranger game  
arniefez : 5/5/2021 4:43 pm : link
was exactly 47 years ago today. Game 7 of the Stanley Cup semifinals. If you're a Ranger fan of any age you know what happened. If you're my age and you saw it, it will never leave you.

All these years later it happened again Monday night. At least this time the elite skills players on the ice didn't just watch. The excuse then was that they would have been 3rd man in and thrown out of the game. History has shown in 1974 they lost the fight and game and made the wrong call. In 2021 they got humiliated and injured.

It doesn't surprise me in the least that Dolan fired people over his team being humiliated on the ice. In my opinion Gorton deserves to go for not having anyone on his team to protect his star players.

As a 50+ NYR fan I'll always love JD and I hate he got caught in a Dolan shit storm. If this somehow saves Quinn's job that will suck even more.

I'm not a Greg Wyshynki fan at all  
Greg from LI : 5/5/2021 4:43 pm : link
but, FWIW, he says a "source close to the Rangers" doesn't believe the "performance" spin, mainly because JD hasn't been back with the Rangers for very long at all.
RE: Playing the part of Phil Jackson....Mark Messier!  
djm : 5/5/2021 4:44 pm : link
In comment 15255161 Greg from LI said:
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I love Mess the player. He'll always have a special place in my heart......but I have absolutely no desire to see him in a key role in the organization.


Don't think it's fair to lump anyone in with Jackson's tenure here in NY. JAckson didn't care or basically went full heel while GM here in NY. MEssier might be or might not be in over his head, but I don't think it's fair to assume he would be THAT bad and unprofessional.

But this is certainly weird.
RE: The only time I've ever been that sickened watching a Ranger game  
Greg from LI : 5/5/2021 4:47 pm : link
In comment 15255225 arniefez said:
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In my opinion Gorton deserves to go for not having anyone on his team to protect his star players


a)Goons don't actually deter or protect anyone. They also don't really exist anymore.
b)It was a power play - what enforcer type was going to be on the ice to "protect" Panarin?
c)The three toughest guys on the team - Trouba, Lindgren, and Kreider - were all out.
RE: The only time I've ever been that sickened watching a Ranger game  
Victor in CT : 5/5/2021 4:53 pm : link
In comment 15255225 arniefez said:
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was exactly 47 years ago today. Game 7 of the Stanley Cup semifinals. If you're a Ranger fan of any age you know what happened. If you're my age and you saw it, it will never leave you.

All these years later it happened again Monday night. At least this time the elite skills players on the ice didn't just watch. The excuse then was that they would have been 3rd man in and thrown out of the game. History has shown in 1974 they lost the fight and game and made the wrong call. In 2021 they got humiliated and injured.

It doesn't surprise me in the least that Dolan fired people over his team being humiliated on the ice. In my opinion Gorton deserves to go for not having anyone on his team to protect his star players.

As a 50+ NYR fan I'll always love JD and I hate he got caught in a Dolan shit storm. If this somehow saves Quinn's job that will suck even more.


good post Arnie. I'll never forget seeing Dale Rolfe get pummeled while the Rangers all watched.
defending Dolan in any way  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/5/2021 4:58 pm : link
is a fool's errand

he has been the owner of two of the most storied, and underachieving, franchises for most of his adult life

I any sane world, he would have been out on his ass decades ago
this is just a pathetic story  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/5/2021 5:03 pm : link
I wonder how much the NHL and other owners pressured them to make this move.
Greg from LI  
arniefez : 5/5/2021 5:03 pm : link
I know that every NHL team doesn't have Dave Semenko skating next to Gretzky anymore. I get it. I said nothing about Goons.

Trouba and Kreider obviously aren't enough. Lindgren is 6' 200 lbs. He has no fear but takes more of a beating than he gives.

Like I said the other day. The Rangers are going to have to be willing to lose the skills part of trades to win the pieces fit better parts of trades or they'll never win anything with this group.

The Islanders and the Caps exposed them completely.

RE: Greg from LI  
bluesince56 : 5/5/2021 5:04 pm : link
In comment 15255250 arniefez said:
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I know that every NHL team doesn't have Dave Semenko skating next to Gretzky anymore. I get it. I said nothing about Goons.

Trouba and Kreider obviously aren't enough. Lindgren is 6' 200 lbs. He has no fear but takes more of a beating than he gives.

Like I said the other day. The Rangers are going to have to be willing to lose the skills part of trades to win the pieces fit better parts of trades or they'll never win anything with this group.

The Islanders and the Caps exposed them completely.

Totally agree.
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy  
arniefez : 5/5/2021 5:05 pm : link
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Maybe ask the coach why he won't play Gauthier then  
Greg from LI : 5/5/2021 5:09 pm : link
There's a big, strong kid with skill and Quinn refuses to give him much of a shot.
RE: Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/5/2021 5:10 pm : link
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I figured there was outside pressure because of the strongly worded statement basically questioning the integrity of the league as a whole. You almost never see that.

But it looks like instead of the other owners and league pressuring them to be punished in some way (who may have happened still), it was Dolan firing them because they didn’t support the statement so my initial theory was wrong.
RE: Maybe ask the coach why he won't play Gauthier then  
bluesince56 : 5/5/2021 5:11 pm : link
In comment 15255262 Greg from LI said:
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There's a big, strong kid with skill and Quinn refuses to give him much of a shot.


Greg. Spot on. Do you think Quinn is getting gone after the season?
RE: RE: The only time I've ever been that sickened watching a Ranger game  
PwndPapi : 5/5/2021 5:14 pm : link
In comment 15255233 Greg from LI said:
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In my opinion Gorton deserves to go for not having anyone on his team to protect his star players




a)Goons don't actually deter or protect anyone. They also don't really exist anymore.
b)It was a power play - what enforcer type was going to be on the ice to "protect" Panarin?
c)The three toughest guys on the team - Trouba, Lindgren, and Kreider - were all out.


+1. This goonery/grit stuff is way overblown. The Caps/Pens/Isles aren't winning because of grit. They're winning because they're incredibly talented and deep teams with playoff experience and a blend of young talent and vets.

Scoring wins games. Not slow skating Neanderthals.
Not if Drury is running things, as has been speculated  
Greg from LI : 5/5/2021 5:15 pm : link
They're both BU guys and Drury was one of the people pushing for Quinn to be hired in the first place. If Drury is indeed the new boss, then I expect Quinn to stick around, unfortunately.
RE: Not if Drury is running things, as has been speculated  
Bricktop : 5/5/2021 5:16 pm : link
In comment 15255271 Greg from LI said:
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They're both BU guys and Drury was one of the people pushing for Quinn to be hired in the first place. If Drury is indeed the new boss, then I expect Quinn to stick around, unfortunately.


Exactly what I said above. Quinn isn't going anywhere if Drury is the boss.
A Shame  
Jeffrey : 5/5/2021 5:17 pm : link
Had hoped that Dolan would continue to ignore the Rangers while this team grew up. Unfortunately not the case. Still wanting the team to hold on to its youth and not start trading talent for aging stars and goons. If anyone has underperformed this year it is Quinn.
I don't think the Isles are incredibly talented  
Greg from LI : 5/5/2021 5:18 pm : link
They have excellent defensemen, but their forwards outside of Barzal are nothing special. They are incredibly well coached, particularly when compared to the Rangers. If the Rangers had hired Trotz instead of Quinn, they'd be in a very different place today.
And look, I would like them to get some more size/physicality  
Greg from LI : 5/5/2021 5:20 pm : link
But only if it's guys who can actually play. No more Tanner Glasses, no more Cody McLeods, or any other of their ilk.
RE: Well, a fitting end to the weirdest season in Rangers history  
theold5j : 5/5/2021 5:20 pm : link
Left out shut out spree by the islanders

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Starts off by winning the first overall pick for the first time ever. Hey, maybe things will be all right!

But then...


K'Andre's racial slur thing
Zibanejad's COVID situation
Panarin leaving the team because of Putin goons
Tony DeAngelo and that debacle, along with the rumors afterwards
Tom Wilson
The statement yesterday
Firing of Gorton and JD


Well, it's a fitting end in many ways...Weird as alllllll shit.
RE: I don't think the Isles are incredibly talented  
Del Shofner : 5/5/2021 5:21 pm : link
In comment 15255275 Greg from LI said:
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They have excellent defensemen, but their forwards outside of Barzal are nothing special. They are incredibly well coached, particularly when compared to the Rangers. If the Rangers had hired Trotz instead of Quinn, they'd be in a very different place today.


Agree completely. Islanders are very well coached.
holy  
pjcas18 : 5/5/2021 5:22 pm : link
shit

RE: RE: The only time I've ever been that sickened watching a Ranger game  
schabadoo : 5/5/2021 5:23 pm : link
In comment 15255233 Greg from LI said:
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In my opinion Gorton deserves to go for not having anyone on his team to protect his star players




a)Goons don't actually deter or protect anyone. They also don't really exist anymore.
b)It was a power play - what enforcer type was going to be on the ice to "protect" Panarin?
c)The three toughest guys on the team - Trouba, Lindgren, and Kreider - were all out.


Yeah this all comes off like high school tough guy talk. Boston has tough guys and Wilson took liberties with them anyway last month, got suspended.

Now we're honestly back to sandpaper and grit talk. F*cking Tanner Glass bs all over again.
RE: And look, I would like them to get some more size/physicality  
PwndPapi : 5/5/2021 5:27 pm : link
In comment 15255279 Greg from LI said:
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But only if it's guys who can actually play. No more Tanner Glasses, no more Cody McLeods, or any other of their ilk.


Yes, they're well coached, but they're also seasoned having gone to the playoffs in each of the last two years. That experience breeds grit and a winning culture.

The Rangers are running out a collection of 19-21 year old forwards and 4/6 defenseman in either their first or 2nd season of play. That's the risk you take when you go with a youth movement and why you can't give rookies 20min of ice time a night and expect to contend.
No one said anything about goons  
arniefez : 5/5/2021 5:29 pm : link
Pittsburgh isn't 14 small forwards and 6 small defensemen. Or Washington or Boston or the Islanders. All teams the Rangers will need to beat and all filled with players that smash the Rangers skilled guys around and beat them like a drum on the scoreboard.
With Drury  
Professor Falken : 5/5/2021 5:30 pm : link
running the show, let's say Quinn stays on. You'd have to think Eichel would be next.
Buffalo  
PaulN : 5/5/2021 5:31 pm : link
And Edmonton have been rebuilding for how many years, getting picks like Eichel and McDavid. This rebuild is in its infancy and they look to be on the brink of something special. Adding toughness and role players us what you do when you are close, like Tampa did. Evaluating and acquiring talent is what you do at this stage. This has nothing to do with hockey. This is an owner who is the biggest lowlife of a human being that there is. He found a way to try and fool Ranger fans into supporting him. My guess is DeAngelo is back in good graces. For those clueless fans, enjoy yourselves. They just ruined a rebuild on the brink of something special. Hoping anyone stays is about as relevant as an ant on an elephants ass. Rangers are finished.
RE: And look, I would like them to get some more size/physicality  
NYerInMA : 5/5/2021 5:31 pm : link
In comment 15255279 Greg from LI said:
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But only if it's guys who can actually play. No more Tanner Glasses, no more Cody McLeods, or any other of their ilk.


Exactly.
RE: No one said anything about goons  
PwndPapi : 5/5/2021 5:37 pm : link
In comment 15255300 arniefez said:
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Pittsburgh isn't 14 small forwards and 6 small defensemen. Or Washington or Boston or the Islanders. All teams the Rangers will need to beat and all filled with players that smash the Rangers skilled guys around and beat them like a drum on the scoreboard.


Neither are the Rangers. Laf is 6'2". Kreider is 6'3". Chytil is 6'2". Kakko is 6'3". Zibanejad is 6'2". Kravstov is 6'3".

The issue isn't size. It's youth.
This has  
Bricktop : 5/5/2021 5:39 pm : link
Sather's cigar and scotch stench all over it.
RE: RE: No one said anything about goons  
JayBinQueens : 5/5/2021 5:45 pm : link
In comment 15255320 PwndPapi said:
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Pittsburgh isn't 14 small forwards and 6 small defensemen. Or Washington or Boston or the Islanders. All teams the Rangers will need to beat and all filled with players that smash the Rangers skilled guys around and beat them like a drum on the scoreboard.



Neither are the Rangers. Laf is 6'2". Kreider is 6'3". Chytil is 6'2". Kakko is 6'3". Zibanejad is 6'2". Kravstov is 6'3".

The issue isn't size. It's youth.

Size & stature aren't the same thing
Greg  
ColHowPepper : 5/5/2021 6:19 pm : link
No question Trotz was a great get, not sure Gorton was even leaning that direction. Great coach, but I think you sell the Isles forwards a bit short, Beuavillier, Lee (they've been staying the course without him), their lines are balanced and productive, two way.
Messier for GM  
Earl the goat : 5/5/2021 6:20 pm : link
I’m all for it
Messier weighs in  
ColHowPepper : 5/5/2021 6:22 pm : link
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Mark Messier on the way the #NYR are currently built: "In my opinion, if you're going to win, you got to be able to win in the street and the alley. I particularly would not have built the team that didn't have answers in this regard."
Many of us have been saying the same thing, since at least CAR. Questions abound and will whoever gets in charge over-react?

No one's talking about the team, tonight or going forward: kids' heads must be absolutely spinning. Shitty.
Rangers press release  
Professor Falken : 5/5/2021 6:23 pm : link
The New York Rangers announced today that team President John Davidson and General Manager Jeff Gorton are leaving the organization, and Associate General Manager Chris Drury has been promoted to President and General Manager, effective immediately. Senior Advisor Glen Sather will work with Drury during this transition and continue to consult with the team.

"We want to thank JD and Jeff for their contributions to the organization. They are both great hockey professionals who worked hard for the Rangers, however, in order for the team to succeed in the manner our fans deserve, there needs to be a change in leadership," said James L. Dolan, executive chairman, MSG Sports. "Chris is a very sought-after executive and a strong leader, who has proven himself to be one of the top young minds in hockey. We are confident he will effectively guide the team to ensure the long-term success we promised Rangers fans."
Sather  
five5 : 5/5/2021 6:23 pm : link
Absolutely nothing to do with this. He is actually great friends with Davidson.
Tweet from Vince  
Professor Falken : 5/5/2021 6:24 pm : link
Vince Z. Mercogliano
@vzmercogliano
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CONFIRMED: The plan is for Chris Drury to remain as #NYR team president and GM moving forward. Owner James Dolan does not intend to interview other candidates.

Drury is running the show now.
And there it is  
Bricktop : 5/5/2021 6:25 pm : link
Just as I thought - so predictable.

Glen Fucking Sather.

F you, Dolan.
RE: RE: No one said anything about goons  
BurberryManning : 5/5/2021 6:26 pm : link
In comment 15255320 PwndPapi said:
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Pittsburgh isn't 14 small forwards and 6 small defensemen. Or Washington or Boston or the Islanders. All teams the Rangers will need to beat and all filled with players that smash the Rangers skilled guys around and beat them like a drum on the scoreboard.



Neither are the Rangers. Laf is 6'2". Kreider is 6'3". Chytil is 6'2". Kakko is 6'3". Zibanejad is 6'2". Kravstov is 6'3".

The issue isn't size. It's youth.

Yea, I do think if you give Laf, Kakko, and perhaps Kravtsov a few years they will be able to play a hard and powerful game but we're not there yet. Kreider plays a nice, well-rounded game whereas Zibby doesn't bring any sandpaper and I dont think it fits Chytil's game either.

This season was never meant to be about contending rather it was about development, so from that perspective it absolutely is a dereliction of duty to allow the youngest team in the NHL to not have any intimidating presence in the lineup.

It would be foolish to expect anyone to prove a negative so this claim that deference is a myth because incidents around the league still occur is blissful in many regards. In addition, it's not always about deference rather there is a mindset built when a locker room knows that any liberties taken against them will be met with a pound of flesh taken in retribution. There's a reason why current and former players almost uniformly speak of the extra space and confidence they get when they know they have physical support behind them.
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Anakim : 5/5/2021 6:39 pm : link
In comment 15255383 Professor Falken said:
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Vince Z. Mercogliano
@vzmercogliano
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CONFIRMED: The plan is for Chris Drury to remain as #NYR team president and GM moving forward. Owner James Dolan does not intend to interview other candidates.

Drury is running the show now.


I remember Messier was reportedly pissed a few years ago when we hired AV because he wanted the job.

I wonder if Dolan fires Drury's boy Quinn and hires Messier
RE: .  
Bricktop : 5/5/2021 6:49 pm : link
In comment 15255398 Anakim said:
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Vince Z. Mercogliano
@vzmercogliano
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CONFIRMED: The plan is for Chris Drury to remain as #NYR team president and GM moving forward. Owner James Dolan does not intend to interview other candidates.

Drury is running the show now.



I remember Messier was reportedly pissed a few years ago when we hired AV because he wanted the job.

I wonder if Dolan fires Drury's boy Quinn and hires Messier


I'd venture to say that Quinn is safe now that his boy and fellow BU grad is the boss.
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Anakim : 5/5/2021 6:51 pm : link
In comment 15255403 Bricktop said:
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Vince Z. Mercogliano
@vzmercogliano
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CONFIRMED: The plan is for Chris Drury to remain as #NYR team president and GM moving forward. Owner James Dolan does not intend to interview other candidates.

Drury is running the show now.



I remember Messier was reportedly pissed a few years ago when we hired AV because he wanted the job.

I wonder if Dolan fires Drury's boy Quinn and hires Messier



I'd venture to say that Quinn is safe now that his boy and fellow BU grad is the boss.


I think so, too. Like I said earlier, Drury was supposedly the driving force behind hiring Quinn.


This fucking sucks
Tough to be a New York Rangers  
M.S. : 5/5/2021 6:56 pm : link

Fan.
Time for Marty Mcsorley  
Carl in CT : 5/5/2021 6:59 pm : link
And take his head off.
I feel like Sather has had dementia for years by now  
JoeMoney19 : 5/5/2021 6:59 pm : link
Wtf is Dolan’s obsession with that guy? He presided over some of the darkest years of the franchise.
This is Dolan being  
Bricktop : 5/5/2021 6:59 pm : link
a Fucking child. Nothing more, nothing less.

He was born on 3rd base and thinks he hit a Fucking triple. Scumbag.
We're already off to a good start  
Anakim : 5/5/2021 7:04 pm : link
NBCSN just posted Dolan's statement on today's moves as coming from "James Donal"
Dolan will demand that youth be traded for  
GFAN52 : 5/5/2021 7:06 pm : link
aging vets and goons....bank on it.
Line brawl  
pjcas18 : 5/5/2021 7:10 pm : link
I called it
No balls  
pjcas18 : 5/5/2021 7:11 pm : link
by Lavy - no Wilson on the ice
Should have known we weren't going to be rid of Sather yet  
Greg from LI : 5/5/2021 7:11 pm : link
John Davidson gets canned after a year for underachievement. Meanwhile, the guy who ran the team for 20 years and managed one losing Finals appearance in that time is still advising the team.
Smith  
pjcas18 : 5/5/2021 7:13 pm : link
and Wilson.

Good for Smith.
Hagelin v Blackwell has to be the least  
Mad Mike : 5/5/2021 7:13 pm : link
exciting fight matchup imaginable.
Old time hockey  
dpinzow : 5/5/2021 7:14 pm : link
gotta love it. Rangers have to hit Wilson repeatedly every time he's on the ice
Throw checks all night all over the ice.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/5/2021 7:15 pm : link
Fuck these assholes.
They should do that to Wilson  
larryflower37 : 5/5/2021 7:15 pm : link
Every time he steps on the ice. FUCKING punk.
So Smith gets smacked around by Wilson  
Greg from LI : 5/5/2021 7:16 pm : link
What did that accomplish?

Slash his fucking ankle like Bobby Clarke on Valery Kharmalov in 1972. That would actually get his attention.
RE: So Smith gets smacked around by Wilson  
Bricktop : 5/5/2021 7:17 pm : link
In comment 15255437 Greg from LI said:
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What did that accomplish?

Slash his fucking ankle like Bobby Clarke on Valery Kharmalov in 1972. That would actually get his attention.


Was thinking the same thing. Crack!
Miller is too big to not be throwing the body around more  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/5/2021 7:18 pm : link
RE: So Smith gets smacked around by Wilson  
schabadoo : 5/5/2021 7:19 pm : link
In comment 15255437 Greg from LI said:
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What did that accomplish?

Slash his fucking ankle like Bobby Clarke on Valery Kharmalov in 1972. That would actually get his attention.


Outside of placating some of the fan base and possibly Dolan, I don't get it either.
RE: So Smith gets smacked around by Wilson  
pjcas18 : 5/5/2021 7:20 pm : link
In comment 15255437 Greg from LI said:
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What did that accomplish?

Slash his fucking ankle like Bobby Clarke on Valery Kharmalov in 1972. That would actually get his attention.


It meant a lot to his teammates and it would have meant more if it happened Tuesday night. The ref jumped in an spared Smith some punishment, but it's the message and it matters (IMO)
RE: RE: So Smith gets smacked around by Wilson  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/5/2021 7:21 pm : link
In comment 15255441 schabadoo said:
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What did that accomplish?

Slash his fucking ankle like Bobby Clarke on Valery Kharmalov in 1972. That would actually get his attention.



Outside of placating some of the fan base and possibly Dolan, I don't get it either.


A lot more time for that.
Yeah Strome!!!!!!!  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/5/2021 7:22 pm : link
This is happening because the NHL didn't suspend Wilson  
dpinzow : 5/5/2021 7:22 pm : link
It's the NHL's fault
This is awesome  
BurberryManning : 5/5/2021 7:22 pm : link
Prideful
I'm less interested in these little fights,  
Mad Mike : 5/5/2021 7:23 pm : link
and more in just taking run after run at Wilson. Let him eat glass all night long.
Pierre, it ends when the game is over.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/5/2021 7:23 pm : link
STFU.
Exactly  
pjcas18 : 5/5/2021 7:24 pm : link
- if Wilson was suspended - none of this happens.

but it also should have happened Tuesday.

Lavy has to own some of this too though, he could have held Wilson out (not to avoid this, but because he disapproved of Wilson's actions - I brought up previously when Julien sat Marchand after a low-bridge major)
Looks like we don't escape Sather  
JonC : 5/5/2021 7:27 pm : link
until he's in the ground.
RE: I hate Dolan  
Anakim : 5/5/2021 7:27 pm : link
In comment 15255114 Saquon'sQuadz said:
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so much


I forget our whole coaching staff missing some games due to COVID protocols
RE: Looks like we don't escape Sather  
Bricktop : 5/5/2021 7:32 pm : link
In comment 15255455 JonC said:
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until he's in the ground.


Cigars and scotch for all!
Someone has to drill Wilson when he’s out there.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/5/2021 7:36 pm : link
Too many of these guys don’t like taking the body.
I admire their spirit  
JoeMoney19 : 5/5/2021 7:36 pm : link
But it’s amazing they don’t have one guy that can win a fight, even against Hagelin.
6 fights is impressive  
Tom in DC : 5/5/2021 7:37 pm : link
but 1 fight last game would have been more impressive. You stand up for the guy next shift, not the next game after a couple days of being called soft and being told you should stand up for your teammate.
STFU Chara.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/5/2021 7:39 pm : link
BTW, is there any doubt the Rangers will throw too much money at him this off-season?????
RE: 6 fights is impressive  
mfsd : 5/5/2021 7:46 pm : link
In comment 15255473 Tom in DC said:
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but 1 fight last game would have been more impressive. You stand up for the guy next shift, not the next game after a couple days of being called soft and being told you should stand up for your teammate.


100%
RE: Miller is too big to not be throwing the body around more  
Anakim : 5/5/2021 7:47 pm : link
In comment 15255440 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Miller? How about fucking Gauthier? He's built like a tank, he's the nephew of Ray Rougeau, both his father and grandfather were professional wrestlers.

Gauthier is actually 30 pounds heavier than Wilson.


But I know Gauthier went to the back with a knee injury.
RE: RE: Miller is too big to not be throwing the body around more  
Anakim : 5/5/2021 7:52 pm : link
In comment 15255488 Anakim said:
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In comment 15255440 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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Miller? How about fucking Gauthier? He's built like a tank, he's the nephew of Ray Rougeau, both his father and grandfather were professional wrestlers.

Gauthier is actually 30 pounds heavier than Wilson.


But I know Gauthier went to the back with a knee injury.


Well, a nephew of one of the Rougeaus...
The refs are protecting Wilson  
DCOrange : 5/5/2021 7:54 pm : link
10 minute BS (relative to what he did) penalty keeps him in the box and makes their jobs easier.
Wilson is listed at 220  
Bricktop : 5/5/2021 7:54 pm : link
But he's probably closer to 225-230.

NO WAY Gauthier is 250-260 pounds.

I like you Anak. But you're crazy, man.
RE: The refs are protecting Wilson  
pjcas18 : 5/5/2021 7:56 pm : link
In comment 15255493 DCOrange said:
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10 minute BS (relative to what he did) penalty keeps him in the box and makes their jobs easier.


Pretty sure they're not protecting Wilson.
Georgie played a helluva period  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/5/2021 7:57 pm : link
and they probably blocked more shots than they have all season.

I’d like to see guys finish checks more, but keep it up fellas.
Kravtsov  
pjcas18 : 5/5/2021 7:58 pm : link
is going to be a heck of a player.

just give him some rope. He needs a coach to make him comfortable he can be creative.
RE: Wilson is listed at 220  
Anakim : 5/5/2021 7:58 pm : link
In comment 15255494 Bricktop said:
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But he's probably closer to 225-230.

NO WAY Gauthier is 250-260 pounds.

I like you Anak. But you're crazy, man.


My bad. I thought I read somewhere that Wilson weighed 200 pounds, but yeah, looking at him it doesn't make sense.
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Bricktop : 5/5/2021 8:05 pm : link
Showed balls  
Carl in CT : 5/5/2021 8:07 pm : link
At least.
What on Earth is Miller doing there?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/5/2021 8:17 pm : link
Parros better take a look.  
Mad Mike : 5/5/2021 8:21 pm : link
Buch might need to be suspended for that.
Buch!!!!  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/5/2021 8:22 pm : link
The guy wanted some and he got it in the face.
Yea  
Carl in CT : 5/5/2021 8:41 pm : link
Ok
Somebody  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 5/5/2021 9:35 pm : link
should slash Dolan in the ankle. In fact, both ankles with a cross check to the mouth. He is the problem with the Rangers, not JD and Gorton.
We all know that David Quinn is never getting another  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/5/2021 9:50 pm : link
NHL head coaching job after the Rangers fire him, right? He should’ve been the one to go and the end can’t come soon enough.
Paging Nick Fotiu...  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/5/2021 9:52 pm : link
.
RE: We all know that David Quinn is never getting another  
rnargi : 5/5/2021 9:52 pm : link
In comment 15255742 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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NHL head coaching job after the Rangers fire him, right? He should’ve been the one to go and the end can’t come soon enough.

Yup
RE: We all know that David Quinn is never getting another  
Bricktop : 5/5/2021 9:53 pm : link
In comment 15255742 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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NHL head coaching job after the Rangers fire him, right? He should’ve been the one to go and the end can’t come soon enough.


+1,000,000,000,000,000,000

But if Drury is there he's got at least another year.
RE: RE: I hate Dolan  
Anakim : 5/5/2021 11:41 pm : link
In comment 15255456 Anakim said:
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so much



I forget our whole coaching staff missing some games due to COVID protocols


And of course, the worst thing of all this season....Jack Johnson
It's been mentioned before, but if the team wins a Stanley Cup in the  
Anakim : 12:09 am : link
coming years, which I fully expect them to, it'll be based on the foundation that Gorton built. It would actually be the second time that's happened to Gorton, which sucks for him. I've been critical of Gorton in the past. The Tampa Bay trade was a disaster. Extending Kreider and DeAngelo was awful. Signing Shattenkirk was a mistake. Smith hasn't played up to his contract. Signing Jack Johnson was completely unnecessary. And yes, he lucked into Kakko and Lafreniere. No two ways about that. But he's done some good things as well and I think he deserved an extra year, because the team is so well-built to be a force to be reckoned with for years to come.


The terrifying thing for me is Dolan's NEED to make the playoffs. We all want that, but let's put things in perspective: we were the youngest/second-youngest team in the entire NHL and we probably would've made the playoffs if we were in any other division...Combine that with all the distractions this team has had AND Quinn constantly juggling the lines and making questionable personnel decisions and all in all, it wasn't a bad season.

We're very close to being a perennial playoff team as it stands right now. The worst..the absolute worst thing thing would be if we started trading some of our top young players and prospects. Laf, Kakko, Fox, K'Andre, Igor, Kravtsov, Lundkvist (at least how he's performed in the SHL)...they all need to stay because they've proven to be building blocks. If Dolan thinks that forcing a trade for Jack Eichel (which would likely mean giving up one or two of the aforementioned players) coming off of neck surgery is some sort of golden bullet, he is sorely mistaken. It would actually be reminiscent of the Carmelo Anthony trade or the many, many Rangers trades of yesteryear. The only difference would be that instead of trading for an injured player past his prime (Lindros, Bure, etc.), we'd be trading for a young injured player and we'd be giving up prime assets in the process.

There will be trading of young players. I think that's a given. I mean the left-side of the defense is packed with young players and prospects. Guys like Tarmo Reunanen, Zac Jones, Matthew Robertson, Libor Hajek, Ryan Lindgren, K'Andre Miller...there's simply a glut of promising young LDs, so yeah, they should trade a LD or two and upgrade their roster. But you cannot trade the blue chippers. The blue chippers need to be off-limits.
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