I know that every NHL team doesn't have Dave Semenko skating next to Gretzky anymore. I get it. I said nothing about Goons.
Trouba and Kreider obviously aren't enough. Lindgren is 6' 200 lbs. He has no fear but takes more of a beating than he gives.
Like I said the other day. The Rangers are going to have to be willing to lose the skills part of trades to win the pieces fit better parts of trades or they'll never win anything with this group.
The Islanders and the Caps exposed them completely.
I know that every NHL team doesn't have Dave Semenko skating next to Gretzky anymore. I get it. I said nothing about Goons.
Trouba and Kreider obviously aren't enough. Lindgren is 6' 200 lbs. He has no fear but takes more of a beating than he gives.
Like I said the other day. The Rangers are going to have to be willing to lose the skills part of trades to win the pieces fit better parts of trades or they'll never win anything with this group.
The Islanders and the Caps exposed them completely.
I figured there was outside pressure because of the strongly worded statement basically questioning the integrity of the league as a whole. You almost never see that.
But it looks like instead of the other owners and league pressuring them to be punished in some way (who may have happened still), it was Dolan firing them because they didn’t support the statement so my initial theory was wrong.
RE: Maybe ask the coach why he won't play Gauthier then
In my opinion Gorton deserves to go for not having anyone on his team to protect his star players
a)Goons don't actually deter or protect anyone. They also don't really exist anymore.
b)It was a power play - what enforcer type was going to be on the ice to "protect" Panarin?
c)The three toughest guys on the team - Trouba, Lindgren, and Kreider - were all out.
+1. This goonery/grit stuff is way overblown. The Caps/Pens/Isles aren't winning because of grit. They're winning because they're incredibly talented and deep teams with playoff experience and a blend of young talent and vets.
Scoring wins games. Not slow skating Neanderthals.
Not if Drury is running things, as has been speculated
They're both BU guys and Drury was one of the people pushing for Quinn to be hired in the first place. If Drury is indeed the new boss, then I expect Quinn to stick around, unfortunately.
RE: Not if Drury is running things, as has been speculated
They're both BU guys and Drury was one of the people pushing for Quinn to be hired in the first place. If Drury is indeed the new boss, then I expect Quinn to stick around, unfortunately.
Exactly what I said above. Quinn isn't going anywhere if Drury is the boss.
Had hoped that Dolan would continue to ignore the Rangers while this team grew up. Unfortunately not the case. Still wanting the team to hold on to its youth and not start trading talent for aging stars and goons. If anyone has underperformed this year it is Quinn.
They have excellent defensemen, but their forwards outside of Barzal are nothing special. They are incredibly well coached, particularly when compared to the Rangers. If the Rangers had hired Trotz instead of Quinn, they'd be in a very different place today.
And look, I would like them to get some more size/physicality
Starts off by winning the first overall pick for the first time ever. Hey, maybe things will be all right!
But then...
K'Andre's racial slur thing
Zibanejad's COVID situation
Panarin leaving the team because of Putin goons
Tony DeAngelo and that debacle, along with the rumors afterwards
Tom Wilson
The statement yesterday
Firing of Gorton and JD
Well, it's a fitting end in many ways...Weird as alllllll shit.
RE: I don't think the Isles are incredibly talented
They have excellent defensemen, but their forwards outside of Barzal are nothing special. They are incredibly well coached, particularly when compared to the Rangers. If the Rangers had hired Trotz instead of Quinn, they'd be in a very different place today.
Agree completely. Islanders are very well coached.
In my opinion Gorton deserves to go for not having anyone on his team to protect his star players
a)Goons don't actually deter or protect anyone. They also don't really exist anymore.
b)It was a power play - what enforcer type was going to be on the ice to "protect" Panarin?
c)The three toughest guys on the team - Trouba, Lindgren, and Kreider - were all out.
Yeah this all comes off like high school tough guy talk. Boston has tough guys and Wilson took liberties with them anyway last month, got suspended.
Now we're honestly back to sandpaper and grit talk. F*cking Tanner Glass bs all over again.
RE: And look, I would like them to get some more size/physicality
But only if it's guys who can actually play. No more Tanner Glasses, no more Cody McLeods, or any other of their ilk.
Yes, they're well coached, but they're also seasoned having gone to the playoffs in each of the last two years. That experience breeds grit and a winning culture.
The Rangers are running out a collection of 19-21 year old forwards and 4/6 defenseman in either their first or 2nd season of play. That's the risk you take when you go with a youth movement and why you can't give rookies 20min of ice time a night and expect to contend.
Pittsburgh isn't 14 small forwards and 6 small defensemen. Or Washington or Boston or the Islanders. All teams the Rangers will need to beat and all filled with players that smash the Rangers skilled guys around and beat them like a drum on the scoreboard.
And Edmonton have been rebuilding for how many years, getting picks like Eichel and McDavid. This rebuild is in its infancy and they look to be on the brink of something special. Adding toughness and role players us what you do when you are close, like Tampa did. Evaluating and acquiring talent is what you do at this stage. This has nothing to do with hockey. This is an owner who is the biggest lowlife of a human being that there is. He found a way to try and fool Ranger fans into supporting him. My guess is DeAngelo is back in good graces. For those clueless fans, enjoy yourselves. They just ruined a rebuild on the brink of something special. Hoping anyone stays is about as relevant as an ant on an elephants ass. Rangers are finished.
RE: And look, I would like them to get some more size/physicality
Pittsburgh isn't 14 small forwards and 6 small defensemen. Or Washington or Boston or the Islanders. All teams the Rangers will need to beat and all filled with players that smash the Rangers skilled guys around and beat them like a drum on the scoreboard.
Neither are the Rangers. Laf is 6'2". Kreider is 6'3". Chytil is 6'2". Kakko is 6'3". Zibanejad is 6'2". Kravstov is 6'3".
Pittsburgh isn't 14 small forwards and 6 small defensemen. Or Washington or Boston or the Islanders. All teams the Rangers will need to beat and all filled with players that smash the Rangers skilled guys around and beat them like a drum on the scoreboard.
Neither are the Rangers. Laf is 6'2". Kreider is 6'3". Chytil is 6'2". Kakko is 6'3". Zibanejad is 6'2". Kravstov is 6'3".
No question Trotz was a great get, not sure Gorton was even leaning that direction. Great coach, but I think you sell the Isles forwards a bit short, Beuavillier, Lee (they've been staying the course without him), their lines are balanced and productive, two way.
Mark Messier on the way the #NYR are currently built: "In my opinion, if you're going to win, you got to be able to win in the street and the alley. I particularly would not have built the team that didn't have answers in this regard."
Many of us have been saying the same thing, since at least CAR. Questions abound and will whoever gets in charge over-react?
No one's talking about the team, tonight or going forward: kids' heads must be absolutely spinning. Shitty.
The New York Rangers announced today that team President John Davidson and General Manager Jeff Gorton are leaving the organization, and Associate General Manager Chris Drury has been promoted to President and General Manager, effective immediately. Senior Advisor Glen Sather will work with Drury during this transition and continue to consult with the team.
"We want to thank JD and Jeff for their contributions to the organization. They are both great hockey professionals who worked hard for the Rangers, however, in order for the team to succeed in the manner our fans deserve, there needs to be a change in leadership," said James L. Dolan, executive chairman, MSG Sports. "Chris is a very sought-after executive and a strong leader, who has proven himself to be one of the top young minds in hockey. We are confident he will effectively guide the team to ensure the long-term success we promised Rangers fans."
Vince Z. Mercogliano
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CONFIRMED: The plan is for Chris Drury to remain as #NYR team president and GM moving forward. Owner James Dolan does not intend to interview other candidates.
Pittsburgh isn't 14 small forwards and 6 small defensemen. Or Washington or Boston or the Islanders. All teams the Rangers will need to beat and all filled with players that smash the Rangers skilled guys around and beat them like a drum on the scoreboard.
Neither are the Rangers. Laf is 6'2". Kreider is 6'3". Chytil is 6'2". Kakko is 6'3". Zibanejad is 6'2". Kravstov is 6'3".
The issue isn't size. It's youth.
Yea, I do think if you give Laf, Kakko, and perhaps Kravtsov a few years they will be able to play a hard and powerful game but we're not there yet. Kreider plays a nice, well-rounded game whereas Zibby doesn't bring any sandpaper and I dont think it fits Chytil's game either.
This season was never meant to be about contending rather it was about development, so from that perspective it absolutely is a dereliction of duty to allow the youngest team in the NHL to not have any intimidating presence in the lineup.
It would be foolish to expect anyone to prove a negative so this claim that deference is a myth because incidents around the league still occur is blissful in many regards. In addition, it's not always about deference rather there is a mindset built when a locker room knows that any liberties taken against them will be met with a pound of flesh taken in retribution. There's a reason why current and former players almost uniformly speak of the extra space and confidence they get when they know they have physical support behind them.
Vince Z. Mercogliano
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CONFIRMED: The plan is for Chris Drury to remain as #NYR team president and GM moving forward. Owner James Dolan does not intend to interview other candidates.
Drury is running the show now.
I remember Messier was reportedly pissed a few years ago when we hired AV because he wanted the job.
I wonder if Dolan fires Drury's boy Quinn and hires Messier
Vince Z. Mercogliano
@vzmercogliano
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CONFIRMED: The plan is for Chris Drury to remain as #NYR team president and GM moving forward. Owner James Dolan does not intend to interview other candidates.
Drury is running the show now.
I remember Messier was reportedly pissed a few years ago when we hired AV because he wanted the job.
I wonder if Dolan fires Drury's boy Quinn and hires Messier
I'd venture to say that Quinn is safe now that his boy and fellow BU grad is the boss.
Vince Z. Mercogliano
@vzmercogliano
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18m
CONFIRMED: The plan is for Chris Drury to remain as #NYR team president and GM moving forward. Owner James Dolan does not intend to interview other candidates.
Drury is running the show now.
I remember Messier was reportedly pissed a few years ago when we hired AV because he wanted the job.
I wonder if Dolan fires Drury's boy Quinn and hires Messier
I'd venture to say that Quinn is safe now that his boy and fellow BU grad is the boss.
I think so, too. Like I said earlier, Drury was supposedly the driving force behind hiring Quinn.
John Davidson gets canned after a year for underachievement. Meanwhile, the guy who ran the team for 20 years and managed one losing Finals appearance in that time is still advising the team.
he has been the owner of two of the most storied, and underachieving, franchises for most of his adult life
I any sane world, he would have been out on his ass decades ago
Trouba and Kreider obviously aren't enough. Lindgren is 6' 200 lbs. He has no fear but takes more of a beating than he gives.
Like I said the other day. The Rangers are going to have to be willing to lose the skills part of trades to win the pieces fit better parts of trades or they'll never win anything with this group.
The Islanders and the Caps exposed them completely.
Trouba and Kreider obviously aren't enough. Lindgren is 6' 200 lbs. He has no fear but takes more of a beating than he gives.
Like I said the other day. The Rangers are going to have to be willing to lose the skills part of trades to win the pieces fit better parts of trades or they'll never win anything with this group.
The Islanders and the Caps exposed them completely.
Totally agree.
I figured there was outside pressure because of the strongly worded statement basically questioning the integrity of the league as a whole. You almost never see that.
But it looks like instead of the other owners and league pressuring them to be punished in some way (who may have happened still), it was Dolan firing them because they didn’t support the statement so my initial theory was wrong.
Greg. Spot on. Do you think Quinn is getting gone after the season?
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In my opinion Gorton deserves to go for not having anyone on his team to protect his star players
a)Goons don't actually deter or protect anyone. They also don't really exist anymore.
b)It was a power play - what enforcer type was going to be on the ice to "protect" Panarin?
c)The three toughest guys on the team - Trouba, Lindgren, and Kreider - were all out.
+1. This goonery/grit stuff is way overblown. The Caps/Pens/Isles aren't winning because of grit. They're winning because they're incredibly talented and deep teams with playoff experience and a blend of young talent and vets.
Scoring wins games. Not slow skating Neanderthals.
Exactly what I said above. Quinn isn't going anywhere if Drury is the boss.
In comment 15255120 Anakim said:
But then...
K'Andre's racial slur thing
Zibanejad's COVID situation
Panarin leaving the team because of Putin goons
Tony DeAngelo and that debacle, along with the rumors afterwards
Tom Wilson
The statement yesterday
Firing of Gorton and JD
Well, it's a fitting end in many ways...Weird as alllllll shit.
Agree completely. Islanders are very well coached.
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In my opinion Gorton deserves to go for not having anyone on his team to protect his star players
a)Goons don't actually deter or protect anyone. They also don't really exist anymore.
b)It was a power play - what enforcer type was going to be on the ice to "protect" Panarin?
c)The three toughest guys on the team - Trouba, Lindgren, and Kreider - were all out.
Yeah this all comes off like high school tough guy talk. Boston has tough guys and Wilson took liberties with them anyway last month, got suspended.
Now we're honestly back to sandpaper and grit talk. F*cking Tanner Glass bs all over again.
Yes, they're well coached, but they're also seasoned having gone to the playoffs in each of the last two years. That experience breeds grit and a winning culture.
The Rangers are running out a collection of 19-21 year old forwards and 4/6 defenseman in either their first or 2nd season of play. That's the risk you take when you go with a youth movement and why you can't give rookies 20min of ice time a night and expect to contend.
Exactly.
Neither are the Rangers. Laf is 6'2". Kreider is 6'3". Chytil is 6'2". Kakko is 6'3". Zibanejad is 6'2". Kravstov is 6'3".
The issue isn't size. It's youth.
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Pittsburgh isn't 14 small forwards and 6 small defensemen. Or Washington or Boston or the Islanders. All teams the Rangers will need to beat and all filled with players that smash the Rangers skilled guys around and beat them like a drum on the scoreboard.
Neither are the Rangers. Laf is 6'2". Kreider is 6'3". Chytil is 6'2". Kakko is 6'3". Zibanejad is 6'2". Kravstov is 6'3".
The issue isn't size. It's youth.
Size & stature aren't the same thing
No one's talking about the team, tonight or going forward: kids' heads must be absolutely spinning. Shitty.
"We want to thank JD and Jeff for their contributions to the organization. They are both great hockey professionals who worked hard for the Rangers, however, in order for the team to succeed in the manner our fans deserve, there needs to be a change in leadership," said James L. Dolan, executive chairman, MSG Sports. "Chris is a very sought-after executive and a strong leader, who has proven himself to be one of the top young minds in hockey. We are confident he will effectively guide the team to ensure the long-term success we promised Rangers fans."
@vzmercogliano
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CONFIRMED: The plan is for Chris Drury to remain as #NYR team president and GM moving forward. Owner James Dolan does not intend to interview other candidates.
Drury is running the show now.
Glen Fucking Sather.
F you, Dolan.
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Pittsburgh isn't 14 small forwards and 6 small defensemen. Or Washington or Boston or the Islanders. All teams the Rangers will need to beat and all filled with players that smash the Rangers skilled guys around and beat them like a drum on the scoreboard.
Neither are the Rangers. Laf is 6'2". Kreider is 6'3". Chytil is 6'2". Kakko is 6'3". Zibanejad is 6'2". Kravstov is 6'3".
The issue isn't size. It's youth.
Yea, I do think if you give Laf, Kakko, and perhaps Kravtsov a few years they will be able to play a hard and powerful game but we're not there yet. Kreider plays a nice, well-rounded game whereas Zibby doesn't bring any sandpaper and I dont think it fits Chytil's game either.
This season was never meant to be about contending rather it was about development, so from that perspective it absolutely is a dereliction of duty to allow the youngest team in the NHL to not have any intimidating presence in the lineup.
It would be foolish to expect anyone to prove a negative so this claim that deference is a myth because incidents around the league still occur is blissful in many regards. In addition, it's not always about deference rather there is a mindset built when a locker room knows that any liberties taken against them will be met with a pound of flesh taken in retribution. There's a reason why current and former players almost uniformly speak of the extra space and confidence they get when they know they have physical support behind them.
@vzmercogliano
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18m
CONFIRMED: The plan is for Chris Drury to remain as #NYR team president and GM moving forward. Owner James Dolan does not intend to interview other candidates.
Drury is running the show now.
I remember Messier was reportedly pissed a few years ago when we hired AV because he wanted the job.
I wonder if Dolan fires Drury's boy Quinn and hires Messier
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Vince Z. Mercogliano
@vzmercogliano
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18m
CONFIRMED: The plan is for Chris Drury to remain as #NYR team president and GM moving forward. Owner James Dolan does not intend to interview other candidates.
Drury is running the show now.
I remember Messier was reportedly pissed a few years ago when we hired AV because he wanted the job.
I wonder if Dolan fires Drury's boy Quinn and hires Messier
I'd venture to say that Quinn is safe now that his boy and fellow BU grad is the boss.
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In comment 15255383 Professor Falken said:
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Vince Z. Mercogliano
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CONFIRMED: The plan is for Chris Drury to remain as #NYR team president and GM moving forward. Owner James Dolan does not intend to interview other candidates.
Drury is running the show now.
I remember Messier was reportedly pissed a few years ago when we hired AV because he wanted the job.
I wonder if Dolan fires Drury's boy Quinn and hires Messier
I'd venture to say that Quinn is safe now that his boy and fellow BU grad is the boss.
I think so, too. Like I said earlier, Drury was supposedly the driving force behind hiring Quinn.
This fucking sucks
Fan.
He was born on 3rd base and thinks he hit a Fucking triple. Scumbag.
Good for Smith.