NFT: Franciso Lindor

I wpuld say McNeil and Conforto come to mind, the reat of this team just comes up small in the big moments.

They had a stat I think last week that said thE Mets were something like 0 for their last 29 games when trailing after 7.

It doesn't matter how good you are on paper if you continually come up small in the big moments.

One thing about the '86 team I remember is they always seemed to have that late inning magic. My fear is this isn't fixable.

Right now Lindor's not doing any of the three.

this manager should have never gotten the chance to come back. He is clueless during the game, has no energy, and they haven't been a good baseball team to this point with him at the helm. He was basically given the job because they had to. What are we waiting for here?

much influence/impact a baseball manager actually has on game results, but Carlos Beltran should be the Mets manager.

I wonder if things keep going poorly if Cohen would have the balls to hire Beltran.

Cora and Hinch have jobs.

where Rojas hasn't made a bad move during a game. Even the decision today to not pinch hit for Stroman to start the 5th inning. Your team is down 1 run. You need a hit, you need guys on base. And you let him go out there with no chance at getting on. Again - an absolute clueless decision.

I mean, you just watch and listen and then say....what am I missing here? Uninspiring, listless, monotone....is that how he talks to the players?

I don't get all the bad hires that happen in the world; especially sports. Pat Shurmer is a good example...you just listened to him and knew he was in over his head...same with McAdoo.

Why do smart people make such stupid decisions?

Oh, and perhaps it would have been better to spend a bit more to get Realmuto...McCann? Awful, Mr Double Play.

re-hire Beltran. Enough already.

a few days off

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instead of hiring beltran in the first place they should have just hired Dusty or Girardi, but of course Wilpons.

I don't see him making boneheaded moves that are costing us games. I see a team that isn't hitting. At all. The fact that the team is close to .500 with a significant minus run differential tells me the mgr isn't the problem. If you want to fire him to light a fire under the team, fine. But I don't see how he deserves any blame for the current state of things. Lindor deserves WAY more of the blame.

Lindor, McCann, Lucessi, Carrasco, Pillar, Villar, Almonte, just not a lot of guys doing much for us.

There’s still obviously A LOT of time to turn it around and we’re lucky no one in the NL East has broken too far ahead yet, but they need to turn it around soon. We all remember 2019. That was really nice team that finished really strong but just dig themselves too big of a whole and got it going too late to make the playoffs.

we never trade for a middle infielder from the Indians again.

In comment 15255564 Metnut said:

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Lindor, McCann, Lucessi, Carrasco, Pillar, Villar, Almonte, just not a lot of guys doing much for us. There’s still obviously A LOT of time to turn it around and we’re lucky no one in the NL East has broken too far ahead yet, but they need to turn it around soon. We all remember 2019. That was really nice team that finished really strong but just dig themselves too big of a whole and got it going too late to make the playoffs.

At least be fair and list Stroman (QO), Walker, May, and Loup... 4 pitchers who have looked great. Its a tough stretch but I still have a hard time believing guys like Carrasco and Lindor are going to be looked at negatively all year.

In comment 15255544 Eric on Li said:

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instead of hiring beltran in the first place they should have just hired Dusty or Girardi, but of course Wilpons.

Neither of those guys are available, and I love the way Beltran thinks the game.

I'd rather give a guy like Beltran a chance than a guy like Terry Collins or Art Howe

In comment 15255673 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 15255564 Metnut said: Quote: Lindor, McCann, Lucessi, Carrasco, Pillar, Villar, Almonte, just not a lot of guys doing much for us. There’s still obviously A LOT of time to turn it around and we’re lucky no one in the NL East has broken too far ahead yet, but they need to turn it around soon. We all remember 2019. That was really nice team that finished really strong but just dig themselves too big of a whole and got it going too late to make the playoffs. At least be fair and list Stroman (QO), Walker, May, and Loup... 4 pitchers who have looked great. Its a tough stretch but I still have a hard time believing guys like Carrasco and Lindor are going to be looked at negatively all year.

Fair enough man. It’s still early and I’m getting a bit frustrated.

Really need to finish this split tonight.

In comment 15255763 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 15255544 Eric on Li said: Quote: instead of hiring beltran in the first place they should have just hired Dusty or Girardi, but of course Wilpons. Neither of those guys are available, and I love the way Beltran thinks the game. I'd rather give a guy like Beltran a chance than a guy like Terry Collins or Art Howe

Beltran would be the perfect guy to relate to Lindor...

It's funny how Beltran's 1sr season FELT like a disaster, but it was no where close to this bad.

I'm shocked Lindor has been so horrible. It's just crazy.

Same sad story every year but we need the majority of our horses if we want to compete.

Dont know when deGrom comes back but right now we are down three borderline aces and a top flight reliever...

Offensively, half the lineup isnt hitting yet and the half that was just lost two of its hottest hitters in Nimmo and Davis.

Just cant have that....

And while everyone should be back soon, it seems like injuries are mounting in the wrong direction at the moment. Even LG prevents you from having to see a guy like Peraza starting tonight.

.after being utterly burnt by the Wilpons from 2009 going forward.

So I keep hearing how Lindor is one of the best, like top 5, players in the game, and I see a player that never hit .300, never had a OBP over .360, had 100 runs or more only once (while playing for a winning team, it should be worth noting).

What am I missing? Does this not matter in the new analytics era? Does his exit velocity make up for the fact that the guy doesn't get on base?

I'd be worried that this is another Cleveland infielder that comes to the Mets and stinks.

In comment 15256167 sb from NYT Forum said:

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.after being utterly burnt by the Wilpons from 2009 going forward. So I keep hearing how Lindor is one of the best, like top 5, players in the game, and I see a player that never hit .300, never had a OBP over .360, had 100 runs or more only once (while playing for a winning team, it should be worth noting). What am I missing? Does this not matter in the new analytics era? Does his exit velocity make up for the fact that the guy doesn't get on base? I'd be worried that this is another Cleveland infielder that comes to the Mets and stinks.

He’s an elite elite defensive shortstop who typically hits 30+ HRs and has a .345ish OBP.

His numbers have been trending down the past two years(not sure how much weight to give 2020), so there is a lot of anxiety surrounding his play. At least he is drawing walks and playing good defense.

The NL East is jammed up with only 2 games separating the five ballclubs. Teams can swing from first place to last place in a single homestand. One of these teams is going to get on a hot streak and win 10 out of 12 games...and I think the Mets have the pitching to do just that. The bats are coming around, one at a time. Even Dom has started to lo look sharp. Maybe they can get it rolling against the Orioles next week.

I don't like the current Manager. But I'm not sure Beltran would be any better -- does he have any experience?

thread, - I am in no way rooting against either one of them - but man Rosario and Gimenez are off to equally or close to equally brutal starts as Lindor.

I only mention it because if either was just ripping the cover off the ball I'd feel worse about Lindor's start.

but I struggle to see where he has cost the Mets games. Everyone outside of Alonso is hitting well below career average, I'm not sure how Rojas changes that. Their inability to hit with RISP is mind-boggling, you would think they'd get a seeing eye single every now and then.

Blame the players, they are struggling. Hopefully that changes soon, thankfully the entire division blows.

Because if we only had the Mets right now I would be losing it about this start
Well Lindor has 9 1/2 more years to figure it out.

In comment 15256396 larryflower37 said:

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Because if we only had the Mets right now I would be losing it about this start Well Lindor has 9 1/2 more years to figure it out.

9.8 years is more like it. Mets haven’t played 30 games yet and are a game out of first. A bad month is a bad month. Doesn’t make a difference if it is to start the season. Unless you think a 28 yo multiple all star forgot how to play baseball, he’ll be just fine.

WTF

Says he “wasn’t feeling right”.

Wtf.

So annoying.

Created by delusional fans with no understanding of sports.

Please explain to me how Rojas and Chili can directly cause a $341 million player to suddenly forget how to hit a baseball. I'd love to hear the absurd logic behind this thinking.

In comment 15256526 Knineteen said:

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Created by delusional fans with no understanding of sports. Please explain to me how Rojas and Chili can directly cause a $341 million player to suddenly forget how to hit a baseball. I'd love to hear the absurd logic behind this thinking.

come on, man, you know how it goes, you can't fire the players, so coaches, managers, and general managers historically take the fall for widespread under performance.

right now almost the entire lineup is under-performing offensively. How do 9 players suddenly forget how to hit a baseball? Is anyone not off to a slow start - Nimmo?

I'd put these types of things persisting post-Wilpons as much more of a disappointment at the moment than Lindor slumping (as pretty much every big time player has after signing a big contract in NY).

with man on third to end the inning. He looks terrible out there. Continuing to bat him 2nd is serving no one.

In comment 15256537 Eric on Li said:

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I'd put these types of things persisting post-Wilpons as much more of a disappointment at the moment than Lindor slumping (as pretty much every big time player has after signing a big contract in NY).

I would agree with this completely.

Everything about the 2021 Mets so far feels awfully familiar. Which to me, is the most surprising thing about this season.

In comment 15256526 Knineteen said:

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Created by delusional fans with no understanding of sports. Please explain to me how Rojas and Chili can directly cause a $341 million player to suddenly forget how to hit a baseball. I'd love to hear the absurd logic behind this thinking.

Then why even have managers and coaches then? I hear this all the time - "Managers and coaches have minimal impact on wins and losses". So, what's the point then?

Do coaches not have their own philosophy that they try to instill on the players? Sure they do. Players are going to slump, but almost the entire lineup? For a month? Chili Davis sure didn't seem like he was helping the matter. But it's hard for any of us to say for sure what was going on. However, the team does seem to be a bit undisciplined at the plate.

I also feel like the team has been extremely unlucky. Especially, Lindor. He's actually striking out less than he has the past couple of seasons. He's making contact - but either right at fielders or he's been robbed by amazing defense. To me, that tells me that there's an issue with his approach. Even the best players can get into bad habits. This is where a coach can help a player "get right". Especially a proven player like Lindor. It looks like he's trying to crush a HR every time - which makes sense since this is what his batting practices have been reported to look like. It's just my opinion - and could be dead wrong. But - as much as it is on the players - you can't have nearly an entire lineup look lost at the plate and not place some fault at the feet of the hitting coach.

In comment 15256627 moespree said:

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In comment 15256537 Eric on Li said: Quote: I'd put these types of things persisting post-Wilpons as much more of a disappointment at the moment than Lindor slumping (as pretty much every big time player has after signing a big contract in NY). I would agree with this completely. Everything about the 2021 Mets so far feels awfully familiar. Which to me, is the most surprising thing about this season.

I wouldn't say it's completely familiar - they are .500 despite the slumps/injuries and they don't seem complacent. Moved pretty quick to dump Chilli, etc. They added solid depth and it's actually winning them games (Walker, Villar, Pillar). Defense has been a lot better. Bullpen has been a lot better.

Just a few familiar things I'd hoped they'd gotten past (injury stuff especially).

That’s a good sign for Lindor.

Hopefully Mets can win this and finish up the 4-3 road trip and come on back home at .500 one game back.

Pitching has been great. Offense not yet untracked, but that’ll come. This is the first week they’ve played even semi-regularly. Only one rain out this week.

Cards were 16-11 coming in and Mets split at their house w/o deGrom.

Walker and May have sure been excellent signings.

Hope the offense gets going of course.

Personally, I would have dropped Lindor in the order (even tho I’m 100% confident in him being his old self by end of June). But a hit and 3 walks is a nice outing from the 2 hole.

two hottest hitters, and half their lineup isnt hitting lol. And they are still at .500 and a game out of first. Not bad all things considered.

Now let's get healthy and go on a run!

In comment 15257084 ZGiants98 said:

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two hottest hitters, and half their lineup isnt hitting lol. And they are still at .500 and a game out of first. Not bad all things considered. Now let's get healthy and go on a run!

A.G. Reed!