This is really true. I've never seen anything like it in professional sports. The whole house of cards fell.
They really have had a deer in the headlights feel against tougher, tighter teams.
Bench leadership, however, rather than leadership in the front office seems like the problem. I watch quite a bit of hockey, but don’t know s much as the game thread regulars, so I just lurk and learn from the people who follow the Rangers the way I obsessively follow the Mets. But I have seen enough to think Quinn is just a crappy coach with zero sense of authority.
100%. Can't say Dolan is wrong for wondering why his team has zero players that can protect his stars.
Also its funny to me that Buchenvich is a "hero" for a far more violent and intent to injure play. Very hypocritical.
I agree that the Rangers had every right to try to get revenge and play chippy. That's the way hockey has been forever. The people calling for a lifetime ban on wilson, but applauding cross-checks to the face are whom I have an issue with.
RE: RE: Caps and Isles basically bitch slapped the Rangers
100%. Can't say Dolan is wrong for wondering why his team has zero players that can protect his stars.
Also its funny to me that Buchenvich is a "hero" for a far more violent and intent to injure play. Very hypocritical.
I agree that the Rangers had every right to try to get revenge and play chippy. That's the way hockey has been forever. The people calling for a lifetime ban on wilson, but applauding cross-checks to the face are whom I have an issue with.
The guy followed Buchnevich around the ice like he wanted some, then got it. That wasn’t an unprompted reaction. Once the league decided “Wild West rules” applied, fuck it. In addition, does Buchnevich have a long, documented history of stick related or suspension-worthy offenses? These actions and more importantly, the actors, aren’t comparable.
Keep in mind this all started with Buchnevich being attacked by Wilson while prostrate on the ice.
RE: the point is, the presence of Boston's tough guys did nothing to stop
For one, the Carlo hit was a legit play, I don't believe there was any intent there, but again Wilson does not deserve the benefit of the doubt and he was forced in that game to answer the bell twice.
And the Bruins today are not the Bruins of Lucic and Thornton.
No spillover, no gotcha moments coming later, it's over (from what I believe).
And AFTER the Bruins forced Wilson to answer for his actions in that game, the league suspended him.
What Wilson did Tuesday was WWF stuff and my point all along was he should have been forced to answer for it on Tuesday.
The league messed up their discipline and the Rangers messed up standing up for their teammate even against a psychopath like Wilson when they don't have anyone who can really match up with him. What Smith did was fine, and usually all it takes. Maybe it's splitting hairs, but IMO that's the deterrent, Wislon hit Carlo high, Jack Edwards thinks it's dirty, but he thinks everything is dirty, I think it was an unfortunate hockey play - one that Wilson should and did pay for, but to me not one where I saw holy shit that guy is a maniac (I thought the McDavid elbow was much worse than the Wilson hit on Carlo)
but switching gears, What Buchnevich did is suspension worthy (too - like what Wilson did) and wasn't even to Wilson. it's more chicken shit than heroic in my book.
Sure, Buchnevich deserves a suspension for it in a vacuum
Will be suspended, and he should be suspended for an egregious play. I have really mixed feelings on this. The NHL asked for last night’s bullshit by not doing the right thing with Wilson. Rangers were up to the task and took care of business. Good on Smith in what will end up being his last home game as a Ranger going after Wilson and holding his own.
That said, Buch was clearly seeing red last night, and I don’t blame him. I honestly loved when he cross checked Mantha in the face, even though I know I’m not supposed to. You’d hope that with Buchnevich being a first time offender and with obvious reasons why he lost his shit, that the NHL would maybe give him a fine and move on, but I don’t see that happening. My hope is that Buch is suspended the last 2 games, and doesn’t get like a 10 game suspension that carries over into next year.
the islanders have had Matt Martin or Ross Johnston on the ice and all he does is run away. the guy is a grade A head hunting shit bag and the NHL has gone soft on him time and again, as if injuring opposing players with regularity is part of the game. Everything else flows from that.
Nor the Caps want to do anything about dirtbag Wilson I have no problem taking action against his teammates. Keep cheapshotting other players, and hurting them then your team can get hit back. Eye for an eye
But in the environment the league has now created? Buchnevich gets suspended but Wilson doesn't?
Mantha wanted a piece of Buchnevich, he got it. Fuck him and his shitbag team.
This is exactly the situation the league put themselves in by not suspending Wilson.
What it leads to is wonton disregard for safety, which strongly emphasizes the point the Rangers press release made - that the NHL Head of Player safety is unfit to do his job.
What sport basically encourages retaliation and endangers player safety because of the inaction of the Head of Player safety?
can you imagine if the NFL didn't discipline Myles Garrett and encouraged the Steelers to handle it themselves when the two teams played next?
from ending Lubo Viznovsky’s career with a really dirty hit to the head in the 2016 playoffs.
I’ll leave it to the NYR fans to debate whether NYR’s lack of “heavy” grinders is why they fell short in must win games recently vs NYI and others but Wilson is a separate issue from that. He’s a menace to the league and should be given lengthy suspensions when he does crap like that. NYR shouldn’t have to get heavier to protect against guys like Wilson (and doing so don’t do anything to stop him).
I will also point out that Chara got only the $5k fine
Buch deserves a game or two. Mantha had it coming, though by slashing Buch - also looked like Mantha was going for the cross check too and Buchnevich just beat him to it.
not only led to the complete shitshow we watched last night, but it also told the Rangers - sorry, it's up to you to police the league now and only you can make it right. Violence begets more violence, in essence. Makes for great ratings, right?
So yeah, Parros is unfit to do the job as Head of Player Safety. I don't give a shit about his past as a goon and how that makes him uniquely qualified to handle the job or that he went to Princeton or that his favorite color is mauve.
It also doesn't absolve Laviolette from simply handing out a one game suspension to his player, sending a clear message that Wilson's garbage won't be tolerated. But in order to do that, you have to have character. PL has none. He, the league and the Capitals can all get fucked.
not only led to the complete shitshow we watched last night, but it also told the Rangers - sorry, it's up to you to police the league now and only you can make it right. Violence begets more violence, in essence. Makes for great ratings, right?
So yeah, Parros is unfit to do the job as Head of Player Safety. I don't give a shit about his past as a goon and how that makes him uniquely qualified to handle the job or that he went to Princeton or that his favorite color is mauve.
It also doesn't absolve Laviolette from simply handing out a one game suspension to his player, sending a clear message that Wilson's garbage won't be tolerated. But in order to do that, you have to have character. PL has none. He, the league and the Capitals can all get fucked.
You said it a lot better than I did, B. Frankly, I was just angry. Buch got slashed, no call, and as Brett pointed out, he was about to get crosschecked and he beat him to it. He deserves a suspension, but I for one am glad he just didn't take any shit there. As for wanting them to run Oshie, in the heat of it I was out for blood. An eye for an eye and hurt their chances going forward in the playoffs. I know it's not a good sentiment, but again, I am still livid about what the did to Bread. I played this game for more than 30 years, mostly as a netminder, and never once got in a fight. First, it was an automatic disqualifier in almost every league I played in, and second I was a goalie. But I had plenty of teammates come to my aid after being run behind the net or in the crease. I hate...literally hate...the Capitals more than any team in any sport. It's no secret here, I say it a lot. Their fans, the team, the jokes Laughlin and Beninati who somehow are announcers...this team just sucks to the core.
not only led to the complete shitshow we watched last night, but it also told the Rangers - sorry, it's up to you to police the league now and only you can make it right. Violence begets more violence, in essence. Makes for great ratings, right?
So yeah, Parros is unfit to do the job as Head of Player Safety. I don't give a shit about his past as a goon and how that makes him uniquely qualified to handle the job or that he went to Princeton or that his favorite color is mauve.
It also doesn't absolve Laviolette from simply handing out a one game suspension to his player, sending a clear message that Wilson's garbage won't be tolerated. But in order to do that, you have to have character. PL has none. He, the league and the Capitals can all get fucked.
You said it a lot better than I did, B. Frankly, I was just angry. Buch got slashed, no call, and as Brett pointed out, he was about to get crosschecked and he beat him to it. He deserves a suspension, but I for one am glad he just didn't take any shit there. As for wanting them to run Oshie, in the heat of it I was out for blood. An eye for an eye and hurt their chances going forward in the playoffs. I know it's not a good sentiment, but again, I am still livid about what the did to Bread. I played this game for more than 30 years, mostly as a netminder, and never once got in a fight. First, it was an automatic disqualifier in almost every league I played in, and second I was a goalie. But I had plenty of teammates come to my aid after being run behind the net or in the crease. I hate...literally hate...the Capitals more than any team in any sport. It's no secret here, I say it a lot. Their fans, the team, the jokes Laughlin and Beninati who somehow are announcers...this team just sucks to the core.
I hear ya bud. Honestly, this entire fiasco couldn't have been handled worse. Really amazing how grown adults can fuck things up so royally. Hope you're well!
I hope they get Oshi next. Fuck it. You're gonna let goons get away with injuring players? Take them out of contention for the cup.
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I hope they get Oshi next. Fuck it. You're gonna let goons get away with injuring players? Take them out of contention for the cup.
Anyone but Oshie. He’s the only guy I like on the Caps. The rest of them can eat a bag of dicks.
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I hope they get Oshi next. Fuck it. You're gonna let goons get away with injuring players? Take them out of contention for the cup.
Anyone but Oshie. He’s the only guy I like on the Caps. The rest of them can eat a bag of dicks.
"Sorry TJ, you chose to play for a garbage organization, so you're gonna get it too. Nothing personal!"
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I hope they get Oshi next. Fuck it. You're gonna let goons get away with injuring players? Take them out of contention for the cup.
That dude just lost his dad, so settle down. Plenty of trash on that team to start breaking bones.
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I hope they get Oshi next. Fuck it. You're gonna let goons get away with injuring players? Take them out of contention for the cup.
That dude just lost his dad, so settle down. Plenty of trash on that team to start breaking bones.
You know, that's terrible. It sucks to lose parents. I've lost one. Now I hope he loses his fucking teeth.
But you do you.
Sad but true
But you do you.
Happily.
Sad but true
This is really true. I've never seen anything like it in professional sports. The whole house of cards fell.
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But you do you.
Happily.
You don't sound too happy. You sound weird. :)
I'm dealing with the Caps announcers...I hate these fucks and always have.
Pierre McGuire makes Chris Collinsworth seems like Mike Wallace.
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Sad but true
This is really true. I've never seen anything like it in professional sports. The whole house of cards fell.
They really have had a deer in the headlights feel against tougher, tighter teams.
Bench leadership, however, rather than leadership in the front office seems like the problem. I watch quite a bit of hockey, but don’t know s much as the game thread regulars, so I just lurk and learn from the people who follow the Rangers the way I obsessively follow the Mets. But I have seen enough to think Quinn is just a crappy coach with zero sense of authority.
Need the 2021 version of bringing Keenan in.
Sad but true
exactly right
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Sad but true
This is really true. I've never seen anything like it in professional sports. The whole house of cards fell.
yup. Hockey is the most primal of all the sports. A team that lacks toughness will be exposed.
Sad but true
100%. Can't say Dolan is wrong for wondering why his team has zero players that can protect his stars.
Also its funny to me that Buchenvich is a "hero" for a far more violent and intent to injure play. Very hypocritical.
I agree that the Rangers had every right to try to get revenge and play chippy. That's the way hockey has been forever. The people calling for a lifetime ban on wilson, but applauding cross-checks to the face are whom I have an issue with.
100%. Can't say Dolan is wrong for wondering why his team has zero players that can protect his stars.
No one gets protected by anyone else. Boston has a bunch of tough guys and it didn't deter Wilson from attacking Carlo.
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100%. Can't say Dolan is wrong for wondering why his team has zero players that can protect his stars.
No one gets protected by anyone else. Boston has a bunch of tough guys and it didn't deter Wilson from attacking Carlo.
Attacking? He threw a check and came up high. And was immediately jumped on by boston players and left the ice bleeding.
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Exposed them as a team with no toughness.
Sad but true
100%. Can't say Dolan is wrong for wondering why his team has zero players that can protect his stars.
Also its funny to me that Buchenvich is a "hero" for a far more violent and intent to injure play. Very hypocritical.
I agree that the Rangers had every right to try to get revenge and play chippy. That's the way hockey has been forever. The people calling for a lifetime ban on wilson, but applauding cross-checks to the face are whom I have an issue with.
The guy followed Buchnevich around the ice like he wanted some, then got it. That wasn’t an unprompted reaction. Once the league decided “Wild West rules” applied, fuck it. In addition, does Buchnevich have a long, documented history of stick related or suspension-worthy offenses? These actions and more importantly, the actors, aren’t comparable.
Keep in mind this all started with Buchnevich being attacked by Wilson while prostrate on the ice.
I view the two incidents very differently.
For one, the Carlo hit was a legit play, I don't believe there was any intent there, but again Wilson does not deserve the benefit of the doubt and he was forced in that game to answer the bell twice.
And the Bruins today are not the Bruins of Lucic and Thornton.
No spillover, no gotcha moments coming later, it's over (from what I believe).
And AFTER the Bruins forced Wilson to answer for his actions in that game, the league suspended him.
What Wilson did Tuesday was WWF stuff and my point all along was he should have been forced to answer for it on Tuesday.
The league messed up their discipline and the Rangers messed up standing up for their teammate even against a psychopath like Wilson when they don't have anyone who can really match up with him. What Smith did was fine, and usually all it takes. Maybe it's splitting hairs, but IMO that's the deterrent, Wislon hit Carlo high, Jack Edwards thinks it's dirty, but he thinks everything is dirty, I think it was an unfortunate hockey play - one that Wilson should and did pay for, but to me not one where I saw holy shit that guy is a maniac (I thought the McDavid elbow was much worse than the Wilson hit on Carlo)
but switching gears, What Buchnevich did is suspension worthy (too - like what Wilson did) and wasn't even to Wilson. it's more chicken shit than heroic in my book.
Mantha wanted a piece of Buchnevich, he got it. Fuck him and his shitbag team.
+1. If you want to be a tough guy challenge him. Using the stick is cowardly.
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That said, Buch was clearly seeing red last night, and I don’t blame him. I honestly loved when he cross checked Mantha in the face, even though I know I’m not supposed to. You’d hope that with Buchnevich being a first time offender and with obvious reasons why he lost his shit, that the NHL would maybe give him a fine and move on, but I don’t see that happening. My hope is that Buch is suspended the last 2 games, and doesn’t get like a 10 game suspension that carries over into next year.
Mantha wanted a piece of Buchnevich, he got it. Fuck him and his shitbag team.
This is exactly the situation the league put themselves in by not suspending Wilson.
What it leads to is wonton disregard for safety, which strongly emphasizes the point the Rangers press release made - that the NHL Head of Player safety is unfit to do his job.
What sport basically encourages retaliation and endangers player safety because of the inaction of the Head of Player safety?
can you imagine if the NFL didn't discipline Myles Garrett and encouraged the Steelers to handle it themselves when the two teams played next?
I’ll leave it to the NYR fans to debate whether NYR’s lack of “heavy” grinders is why they fell short in must win games recently vs NYI and others but Wilson is a separate issue from that. He’s a menace to the league and should be given lengthy suspensions when he does crap like that. NYR shouldn’t have to get heavier to protect against guys like Wilson (and doing so don’t do anything to stop him).
Fatman's right. Complete failure by the league.
So yeah, Parros is unfit to do the job as Head of Player Safety. I don't give a shit about his past as a goon and how that makes him uniquely qualified to handle the job or that he went to Princeton or that his favorite color is mauve.
It also doesn't absolve Laviolette from simply handing out a one game suspension to his player, sending a clear message that Wilson's garbage won't be tolerated. But in order to do that, you have to have character. PL has none. He, the league and the Capitals can all get fucked.
So yeah, Parros is unfit to do the job as Head of Player Safety. I don't give a shit about his past as a goon and how that makes him uniquely qualified to handle the job or that he went to Princeton or that his favorite color is mauve.
It also doesn't absolve Laviolette from simply handing out a one game suspension to his player, sending a clear message that Wilson's garbage won't be tolerated. But in order to do that, you have to have character. PL has none. He, the league and the Capitals can all get fucked.
You said it a lot better than I did, B. Frankly, I was just angry. Buch got slashed, no call, and as Brett pointed out, he was about to get crosschecked and he beat him to it. He deserves a suspension, but I for one am glad he just didn't take any shit there. As for wanting them to run Oshie, in the heat of it I was out for blood. An eye for an eye and hurt their chances going forward in the playoffs. I know it's not a good sentiment, but again, I am still livid about what the did to Bread. I played this game for more than 30 years, mostly as a netminder, and never once got in a fight. First, it was an automatic disqualifier in almost every league I played in, and second I was a goalie. But I had plenty of teammates come to my aid after being run behind the net or in the crease. I hate...literally hate...the Capitals more than any team in any sport. It's no secret here, I say it a lot. Their fans, the team, the jokes Laughlin and Beninati who somehow are announcers...this team just sucks to the core.
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not only led to the complete shitshow we watched last night, but it also told the Rangers - sorry, it's up to you to police the league now and only you can make it right. Violence begets more violence, in essence. Makes for great ratings, right?
So yeah, Parros is unfit to do the job as Head of Player Safety. I don't give a shit about his past as a goon and how that makes him uniquely qualified to handle the job or that he went to Princeton or that his favorite color is mauve.
It also doesn't absolve Laviolette from simply handing out a one game suspension to his player, sending a clear message that Wilson's garbage won't be tolerated. But in order to do that, you have to have character. PL has none. He, the league and the Capitals can all get fucked.
You said it a lot better than I did, B. Frankly, I was just angry. Buch got slashed, no call, and as Brett pointed out, he was about to get crosschecked and he beat him to it. He deserves a suspension, but I for one am glad he just didn't take any shit there. As for wanting them to run Oshie, in the heat of it I was out for blood. An eye for an eye and hurt their chances going forward in the playoffs. I know it's not a good sentiment, but again, I am still livid about what the did to Bread. I played this game for more than 30 years, mostly as a netminder, and never once got in a fight. First, it was an automatic disqualifier in almost every league I played in, and second I was a goalie. But I had plenty of teammates come to my aid after being run behind the net or in the crease. I hate...literally hate...the Capitals more than any team in any sport. It's no secret here, I say it a lot. Their fans, the team, the jokes Laughlin and Beninati who somehow are announcers...this team just sucks to the core.
I hear ya bud. Honestly, this entire fiasco couldn't have been handled worse. Really amazing how grown adults can fuck things up so royally. Hope you're well!
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