Shockey or Bavaro. Who you taking?

And I am a guy who loved Shockey.

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and both were excellent. Bavaro but its close.

In comment 15256663 Chip said:

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and both were excellent. Bavaro but its close.

No it isn't. Good gosh. Bavaro much better.

I want a 2way TE that opponents do not want to make contact with, a la BJacobs.

From my time, but I’d still take Bavaro.

Shockey wasn't really the same player after injury in the exhibition game versus ... the Texans, iirc.

Bavaro in a landslide though. To think, if Shockey caught that pass for the Giants to go up 42-14 in SF, I wonder if Eli is ever a Giant. Crazy how little plays like that can change the entire fortune of a franchise.

I can't even.

In comment 15256678 Sean said:

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Bavaro in a landslide though. To think, if Shockey caught that pass for the Giants to go up 42-14 in SF, I wonder if Eli is ever a Giant. Crazy how little plays like that can change the entire fortune of a franchise.

Truth.

Shockey was faster but he caused problems on the sidelines, in the locker room and in the media. Bavaro was better on the field and he if he ever caused a problem off the field, we never heard about it.

What's next. You're going to ask whether I'd want Corey Widmer or LT?

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saying Shockey or saying it was close never saw Bavaro play.

In comment 15256699 Eric from BBI said:

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saying Shockey or saying it was close never saw Bavaro play.

This 100X

who just needed more health.

A great two way TE - blocker and receiver.

Bavaro every day. Not only a better player, but a much better teammate. Bavaro never berated, tried to embarrass or scream "throw me the ball, asshole" to Simms.

Though I never wish an injury on a player, I was one who thought (at the time) that Shockey's injury in '07 could benefit Eli and the team (and I believe it did). I NEVER thought that about Bavaro and his injuries.

Bavaro had no negatives (other than health).

My least favorite Giant of all time vs. one of my favorite Giant of all time. Yeah, I'll take Bavaro 100/100. Not even remotely close.

Not really too me. But you can't compare Widmer to greatest defensive player of all time, can you? How about Carl Banks vs Brad Van Pelt? That's a tough call!

I loved Shockey, but his rookie year was his best. He was basically a disappointment every year after that.

I dont remember the exact context but I believe that the Giants were getting set to go victory formation and Bavaro said something to the effect of "Call a play, I want to hit that guy one more time" That is a TE I want. I liked Shockey the player, I didnt like the person.

I would take Bavaro but I think Shockey was a great player as well.

but if it's 4+ years into their career, it's probably Shockey.

In comment 15256723 Rudy5757 said:

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I dont remember the exact context but I believe that the Giants were getting set to go victory formation and Bavaro said something to the effect of "Call a play, I want to hit that guy one more time" That is a TE I want. I liked Shockey the player, I didnt like the person. I would take Bavaro but I think Shockey was a great player as well.

I ran into Shockey early in his career at the Atlantis in the Bahamas... If he wasn't a party animal to the extreme he would have left a greater legacy. Guy went HARD off the field.

Howard Cross vs. Shockey

In comment 15256729 OBJ_AllDay said:

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I ran into Shockey early in his career at the Atlantis in the Bahamas... If he wasn't a party animal to the extreme he would have left a greater legacy. Guy went HARD off the field.

If you swapped Bavaro and Shockey, one can only imagine the off-field wreckage Shockey and LT might have left in their collective wake.

Bavaro. It still kills me visualizing him in an Eagles uniform.

Bavaro could handle Charles Mann or Dexter Manley 1-on-1.

Other teams couldn't cover Bavaro when the Giants other "weapons" were Lionel Manual and Bobby Johnson.

Bavaro played a game where he broke his jaw, had it wired shut, and came back into play and won the game.

Bavaro's catch-and-run against the 49ers was the signature play of the team's first Super Bowl season.

Bavaro was so tough he scared Parcells.

Shockey was a really good pass-catching tight end for a few years.

Bavaro

followed closely by Bavaro, Bavaro and then Bavaro.

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In comment 15256656 Jints in Carolina said:

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And I am a guy who loved Shockey.

This.

to around the 30 yard line or so, Bavaro would run that skinny post to center of the field near the end zone.

And Simms would always be targeting him.

Money...

I don't think there are many TEs that I'd take over Bavaro, if any. His combination of blocking, toughness and pass threat make him, at his peak, one of the top TEs of all time. I really can't think of anyone I'd clearly take over him.

Those are the kind of stories that embodied those Parcells' teams. Did we get lucky with those type of players or did guys just love playing for him? As a fan, you couldn't be more proud rooting for the Giants. I am starting to get that feeling with Judge.

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I'd take Bob Tucker before Shockey too.
The gears didn't mesh in Shockey's head.

Enjoy the video.

Mark Bavaro - ( New Window )

was a good TE too, before he was injured.

but a 2 cent head. Bavaro and it is really not even worthy of debate.

up for debate.

In comment 15256760 Klaatu said:

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Enjoy the video. Mark Bavaro - ( New Window )

That's my favorite NFL player interview ever. Not even close.

In comment 15256674 JonC said:

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Shockey wasn't really the same player after injury in the exhibition game versus ... the Texans, iirc.

He got hurt in that game?

I don't remember that, but I was 14 at the time.

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In comment 15256663 Chip said: Quote: and both were excellent. Bavaro but its close. No it isn't. Good gosh. Bavaro much better.

+1

I'm guessing the OP wasn't around during the Bavaro times

Great video. When you drag Ronnie Lott on your back for 20 yards you know you have the goods.

In comment 15256656 Jints in Carolina said:

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And I am a guy who loved Shockey.

My thoughts. Liked Shockey as a player but loved everything about Bavaro. He was way humble and all about team. Shockley was a dick. A talented dick, but a dick.

In comment 15256699 Eric from BBI said:

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saying Shockey or saying it was close never saw Bavaro play.

game. set. match.

+1

Then Zeke
Then Shockey

In comment 15256798 Go Giants said:

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Then Zeke Then Shockey

As a young guy, I got spoiled with TE blocking because of Mowatt, Bavaro, and Cross. I thought all TEs blocked like that.