Shockey or Bavaro. Who you taking?

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" I tell you he is a stone face that Bavaro - you never know what he's thinking. I'd hate to have to fight that son-of-a-gun"

That is a quote from Parcells - who was firmly in charge of that team.





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trick question?

In comment 15256834 x meadowlander said:

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Easily. Though Shockey could have been special.

last evening. I hadn't seen it before so it was a good watch. Shockey was displayed in the part 2 episode plenty, including retrospective commentary.

He was a hell of a talent for such a big guy. Quick turns up field with the ball in his hand, always looking for the big play and reaching for a TD. Impactful.

He fit right in with that environment at Miami.

Also remember how the game was played in the 80's and the division and conference he played in. The NFC East and NFC were at the highest level of competition in the history of the league.

In comment 15257060 Matt in SGS said:

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In comment 15257055 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: Matt, as an aside, I love that Twitter account of yours. It's awesome content. Thanks for it. Thanks, I'm having fun with it. A few of the Giants coaches actually started following it and I'm trying to dig up stuff from 35-40 year ago that they might be able to sneak into a gameplan somewhere. Being Judge is from the Belichick tree, basically it's stuff from his early years as Little Bill and they can spring it on a team.

I want to follow this.

In comment 15257331 chick310 said:

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last evening. I hadn't seen it before so it was a good watch. Shockey was displayed in the part 2 episode plenty, including retrospective commentary. He was a hell of a talent for such a big guy. Quick turns up field with the ball in his hand, always looking for the big play and reaching for a TD. Impactful. He fit right in with that environment at Miami.

Caught some of that, too. No doubt Shock was a very good player. BTW, those Miami teams in the early '00s were, IMV, they most talented teams in the history of the college football. It is stunning how much talent Butch Davis and Larry Coker recruited.

In comment 15257790 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15257331 chick310 said: Quote: last evening. I hadn't seen it before so it was a good watch. Shockey was displayed in the part 2 episode plenty, including retrospective commentary. He was a hell of a talent for such a big guy. Quick turns up field with the ball in his hand, always looking for the big play and reaching for a TD. Impactful. He fit right in with that environment at Miami. Caught some of that, too. No doubt Shock was a very good player. BTW, those Miami teams in the early '00s were, IMV, they most talented teams in the history of the college football. It is stunning how much talent Butch Davis and Larry Coker recruited.

There were pro teams that would have had a hard time with them. They ran a pro offense as well.

In comment 15256971 Klaatu said:

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Bavaro said that going up against Carl Banks every day in practice made him the blocker he was.

Wish HOF voters understood this.

I loved Jeremy Shockey to death. I watched him in college as a Hurricanes fan. I leapt for joy when the Giants drafted him. It killed me when he got hurt and then released. I still love him but he's not even close to Bavaro's level.

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In comment 15256971 Klaatu said: Quote: Bavaro said that going up against Carl Banks every day in practice made him the blocker he was. Wish HOF voters understood this.

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both exceptional and cut down by injuries. I'll take Bavaro every time.

Hands down, best two way TE, in a two decade period, caught the ball like a receiver, but ran it like a Mack truck. Only TE, that blocked better, as a Giant, was Howard Cross, Bavaro, played TE like a defender and perfected the seam route (just ask Ronnie Lott). One Gil Byrd cheap shot from HOF.

fighting everything in me to not be sarcastic.Bavaro was the heart of those early Super Bowl teams. The Ronnie Lott piggy back carry for 20 yards,playing with a broken jaw & only eating liquids all week to do so,his blocking ability,his character. Shockey was a very good player(when he played),who garnered more of a following since he was outspoken about issues(whether he knew anything about it or not),who always seemed to play for himself & got pouty when he didn't see the ball enough(Bavaro was an ultimate team player & as long as the Giants won,his statistics were unimportant).Very simply,there is no comparison!

every single time. Bavaro was the consummate team player and Shockey was a diva.

Bavaro

/above is sarcasm and I did not read responses.

a BBI entrance exam, this question should be on it.

that it would have been closer if Shockey wasn't such a doofus.

In comment 15259971 The Jake said:

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that it would have been closer if Shockey wasn't such a doofus.

100% agree with both your comments. Bavaro without question, but even if you wanted to argue the Shockey side of the equation, the “risk he might do something stupid” factor is a big mark against him anyway

Might think it's an exaggeration to say that Bavaro trucking the core of the SF defense was the key to that comeback victory.

It wasn't. It fired up the Giants and brought out great second and third efforts. But more importantly, it just crumbled the air of superiority and deflated the extra from SF.

Their top mouth tough guys ( not just Lott) looked like Lilliputians against Bavaro in that and subsequent runs.

That game was not won on talent or scheme. It was one of the few playoff games won by
a lopsided attitude shift.

As for the question, there isn't one. And I agree that Bob Tucker and Zeke were better than Shockey.

Mort got it exactly right. One was a great talent and one was a great football player

In comment 15260066 Bill2 said:

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Might think it's an exaggeration to say that Bavaro trucking the core of the SF defense was the key to that comeback victory. It wasn't. It fired up the Giants and brought out great second and third efforts. But more importantly, it just crumbled the air of superiority and deflated the extra from SF. Their top mouth tough guys ( not just Lott) looked like Lilliputians against Bavaro in that and subsequent runs. That game was not won on talent or scheme. It was one of the few playoff games won by a lopsided attitude shift. As for the question, there isn't one. And I agree that Bob Tucker and Zeke were better than Shockey. Mort got it exactly right. One was a great talent and one was a great football player

The Bavaro play where he dragged 5 defenders wasn't a playoff game. It was a Monday night game as I recall...

Thank you x

Bavaro was the heart of the Giants while he was on the team -he led by example, was one tough SOB, and a great teammate who made the most of every opportunity --- Shockey on the other hand was a heart-breaker, selfish in every aspect of the word, and drove himself off the team because he was a terrible teammate and couldn't stand not being the center of attention