Ummm no je can't, see Sy's review of him, he is like Justin Tuck who should play DE in a 4-3 with occasionally dt in a 3 and long. Paye isnt even a broje mans Leo Willuams, way to small
Just hasn’t shown on field. If he did he would be a giant. You can’t tell me he is better than our 2nd rounder (on the field and if his medicals checked out).
He’s a really unique athlete who definitely stands out physically on the field. He’ll be an interesting guy to follow, especially in comparison to the other Edge guys from this class like Ojulari.
Ummm no je can't, see Sy's review of him, he is like Justin Tuck who should play DE in a 4-3 with occasionally dt in a 3 and long. Paye isnt even a broje mans Leo Willuams, way to small
Here what Sy said:
"He is an ideal fit for what NYG wants along that defensive front and in the locker room. He doesn’t have the exact same size as Justin Tuck, but I think his style and on-field impact will be very similar. The Michigan defense moved him all over the field because of what he can do. Did it hurt the stats a bit? Sure, but only the ones a casual fan looks at. There is more to DE than sacks. Paye was among the national leader in pressures, and he did it from every angle you can imagine. In addition, he is by far the best run defender in this top 5. "
there'd be articles about another team being shocked at who they didn't take. You can't take everyone. There's always someone that someone else would have taken in your place.
What are they going to say on a YouTube video produced by the team?
One of the top 2 or 3 most important positions on the field is the ability to get after the QB. Paye has some elite skills such as stoping the run and setting the edge, put pass rushing is not one of them.
The issue I had with Paye is paying premium price for skills you can find in players later in the draft. Perhaps not same level, but you can find guys to do those things later. We got a better pass rusher 30 picks later. I’m more than happy with that.
Please excuse the pun. I really don't follow college football.
but knowing Ojulari was drafted while netting an additional 3rd next year is a no brainer. This is a guy who was in the conversation at 11, to get him at 50 is great.
Its not a personal affront to the Giants, Im not exactly sure why people feel the need to defend the team or denigrate Paye. They're just playing the PR game and who knows, they could've been legitimately surprised. If the asshats here heard we liked Paye is it a stretch to believe the Colts heard it to? Regardless of how true it was or wasnt?
an excellent job by Giants using misdirection which we didn’t see from pre-Judege era.
Even other NFL team was fooled by Giants. Even asshat sources
from godeep13 had Paye to Giants. Lots of media nfl people were fooled.
We passed Paye twice. Personally I liked Paye but I guess Graham and Judge and Getty thought Ojulari is better fit in our defensive scheme. I’m fine with it and I like the pick especially we got additional 3rd 2022.
Scheme matters. There’s not many defensive players who are scheme-transcendant.
Let’s see if Giants are right in 3 yrs.
an excellent job by Giants using misdirection which we didn’t see from pre-Judege era.
Even other NFL team was fooled by Giants. Even asshat sources
from godeep13 had Paye to Giants. Lots of media nfl people were fooled.
We passed Paye twice. Personally I liked Paye but I guess Graham and Judge and Getty thought Ojulari is better fit in our defensive scheme. I’m fine with it and I like the pick especially we got additional 3rd 2022.
Scheme matters. There’s not many defensive players who are scheme-transcendant.
Let’s see if Giants are right in 3 yrs.
It does seem the Giants may have tightened the leaks a bit. Toney’s name wasn’t mentioned once. Rico & JonC were saying offense though.
Many of you know I was with Kwity on draft night and I was disappointed as it would have been fun for me if Kwity was a Giant but we had a great night with the trade downs and we will know in several years if we had a good draft or not...certainly other than OL( heard we liked AVT) we checked a lot of boxes. Kwity landed in a great spot and it was no surprise that the Colts drafted him.....there were 5-6 teams that seemed very interested in Kwity and from afar I think the GMEN were one of them but we needed a WR and they saw more value in Toney than Kwity. Being involved in the process there are many factors that factor into who drafts who,....team needs, talent, character, production,medicals,on field and off field history,interviews,teams relationship with various colleges,which positions have more talent and depth in a particular draft ....it isn’t a perfect science and draft boards change by the minute based on other teams moves
He looks like a great player but the Giants obviously liked Toney better for what they want to do.
I am glad Ojulari fell to us but the Giants couldn't know he would be there when they picked at 42 let alone still there at 50. And WR was way deeper in this draft than edge. That to me tells me how much the Giants liked Toney.
didn't even care enough for Ojulari to take him at #42. They traded down and were obviously still OK not getting him.
For once I actually think they had their tiers set up, and picked who was available when their turn came. DG said they had 5 players they liked at #42 and figured one or two would survive to #50. He said two were oline (Sy thinks it was Tevin Jenkins and Aaron Banks IIRC). So they were not picking positions but players. By that thinking and explanation, it is clear next years draft was deeply in their minds and as important as this year's picks.
didn't even care enough for Ojulari to take him at #42. They traded down and were obviously still OK not getting him.
It’s better not to fall in love with one player. That’s why I loved how the Giants handled this draft. Gettleman said there were 5 players they liked at 42, which is why they felt comfortable dropping 8 spots. It appears Aaron Robinson was one of those players in the conversation at 42 initially.
The trade down worked well, and then the trade up in the 3rd worked well too - Robinson was probably the only player left on the horizontal line at that point. It worked well.
I wanted Paye at 20. I think he’s a high floor player. Ojulari might be a more talented player, but his slight frame and injury history scares the hell out of me. I hope the Giants made the right choice.
He can play 3-4
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Must be dumb person from Colts
He can play 3-4
Ummm no je can't, see Sy's review of him, he is like Justin Tuck who should play DE in a 4-3 with occasionally dt in a 3 and long. Paye isnt even a broje mans Leo Willuams, way to small
Not disappointed with Toney but was surprised.
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Must be dumb person from Colts
He can play 3-4
Ummm no je can't, see Sy's review of him, he is like Justin Tuck who should play DE in a 4-3 with occasionally dt in a 3 and long. Paye isnt even a broje mans Leo Willuams, way to small
Here what Sy said:
"He is an ideal fit for what NYG wants along that defensive front and in the locker room. He doesn’t have the exact same size as Justin Tuck, but I think his style and on-field impact will be very similar. The Michigan defense moved him all over the field because of what he can do. Did it hurt the stats a bit? Sure, but only the ones a casual fan looks at. There is more to DE than sacks. Paye was among the national leader in pressures, and he did it from every angle you can imagine. In addition, he is by far the best run defender in this top 5. "
Who cares what the Colts think?
Nice pick.
Lol.
Seriously, I don’t think Paye fits the Giants D. Plus they loved Toney. And Giants got a much better pass rusher in the 2nd
Holdin that one for an opportune moment Marty?
SHAMEFUL
The issue I had with Paye is paying premium price for skills you can find in players later in the draft. Perhaps not same level, but you can find guys to do those things later. We got a better pass rusher 30 picks later. I’m more than happy with that.
You're an idiot...
So it’s really Paye + 2nd round WR at 42
or
Toney + Ojulari + 2022 3rd rounder
I liked how it worked out.
Hey, in case Paye got drafted by the Giants, I was saving
'no kwit in the game, just the name'
Even other NFL team was fooled by Giants. Even asshat sources
from godeep13 had Paye to Giants. Lots of media nfl people were fooled.
We passed Paye twice. Personally I liked Paye but I guess Graham and Judge and Getty thought Ojulari is better fit in our defensive scheme. I’m fine with it and I like the pick especially we got additional 3rd 2022.
Scheme matters. There’s not many defensive players who are scheme-transcendant.
Let’s see if Giants are right in 3 yrs.
Even other NFL team was fooled by Giants. Even asshat sources
from godeep13 had Paye to Giants. Lots of media nfl people were fooled.
We passed Paye twice. Personally I liked Paye but I guess Graham and Judge and Getty thought Ojulari is better fit in our defensive scheme. I’m fine with it and I like the pick especially we got additional 3rd 2022.
Scheme matters. There’s not many defensive players who are scheme-transcendant.
Let’s see if Giants are right in 3 yrs.
It does seem the Giants may have tightened the leaks a bit. Toney’s name wasn’t mentioned once. Rico & JonC were saying offense though.
It does seem the Giants may have tightened the leaks a bit. Toney’s name wasn’t mentioned once. Rico & JonC were saying offense though.
In fairness, the Asshats were assuming the pick taking place at #11. Hard to factor in how the board changes a trade occurs (especially down).
Obviously One Giants Way didn't see Toney worth the #11 slot...
Let’s go GMEN
I am glad Ojulari fell to us but the Giants couldn't know he would be there when they picked at 42 let alone still there at 50. And WR was way deeper in this draft than edge. That to me tells me how much the Giants liked Toney.
For once I actually think they had their tiers set up, and picked who was available when their turn came. DG said they had 5 players they liked at #42 and figured one or two would survive to #50. He said two were oline (Sy thinks it was Tevin Jenkins and Aaron Banks IIRC). So they were not picking positions but players. By that thinking and explanation, it is clear next years draft was deeply in their minds and as important as this year's picks.
It’s better not to fall in love with one player. That’s why I loved how the Giants handled this draft. Gettleman said there were 5 players they liked at 42, which is why they felt comfortable dropping 8 spots. It appears Aaron Robinson was one of those players in the conversation at 42 initially.
The trade down worked well, and then the trade up in the 3rd worked well too - Robinson was probably the only player left on the horizontal line at that point. It worked well.
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Explain that please