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Colts were shocked to see NYG pass on Kwity Paye

FranknWeezer : 5/6/2021 4:33 pm
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Colts pounce on Kwity Paye after NYG passes on him - ( New Window )
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Good for the Colts..  
Big Blue '56 : 5/6/2021 4:37 pm : link
If the Giants really wanted him, he’d be a Giants, imv
Giant  
Big Blue '56 : 5/6/2021 4:37 pm : link
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Kwity Page is a 4-3 end....Giants are still a 3-4 base  
George from PA : 5/6/2021 4:37 pm : link
Must be dumb person from Colts
Lol  
Everyone Relax : 5/6/2021 4:37 pm : link
so did 19 other teams
RE: Kwity Page is a 4-3 end....Giants are still a 3-4 base  
section125 : 5/6/2021 4:38 pm : link
In comment 15256859 George from PA said:
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Must be dumb person from Colts


He can play 3-4
RE: RE: Kwity Page is a 4-3 end....Giants are still a 3-4 base  
Danny Dimes : 5/6/2021 4:48 pm : link
In comment 15256865 section125 said:
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In comment 15256859 George from PA said:


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Must be dumb person from Colts



He can play 3-4



Ummm no je can't, see Sy's review of him, he is like Justin Tuck who should play DE in a 4-3 with occasionally dt in a 3 and long. Paye isnt even a broje mans Leo Willuams, way to small
Not even a broke* mans Leo  
Danny Dimes : 5/6/2021 4:49 pm : link
To small and weak....7 career sacks???? Lol
The Giants don't want players with any Kwit in them.  
Marty in Albany : 5/6/2021 4:50 pm : link
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The funny thing is we took Toney  
eric2425ny : 5/6/2021 4:51 pm : link
and ended up with the highest graded pass rusher in the draft with Ojulari at #50.
they're welcome to him  
Greg from LI : 5/6/2021 4:54 pm : link
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Who cares what the Colts think?  
5BowlsSoon : 5/6/2021 4:55 pm : link
What’s next? What did Oprah think of the Giants passing on Paye?
wouldve been fine with Paye...  
Capt. Don : 5/6/2021 5:02 pm : link
but the Giants passed on him twice.
Kid has it all  
Carl in CT : 5/6/2021 5:03 pm : link
Just hasn’t shown on field. If he did he would be a giant. You can’t tell me he is better than our 2nd rounder (on the field and if his medicals checked out).
I heard they too were disappointed  
BSIMatt : 5/6/2021 5:05 pm : link
the Giants took Kadarius Toney.
I was pretty surprised too  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/6/2021 5:05 pm : link
He’s a really unique athlete who definitely stands out physically on the field. He’ll be an interesting guy to follow, especially in comparison to the other Edge guys from this class like Ojulari.
I felt sure the Giants were taking Paye  
US1 Giants : 5/6/2021 5:08 pm : link
Sy said Paye was his pick too.

Not disappointed with Toney but was surprised.
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Getting Toney and Ojulari -  
Ira : 5/6/2021 5:11 pm : link
not to mention the draft picks - works for me. I'm glad they're happy with their guy.
RE: RE: RE: Kwity Page is a 4-3 end....Giants are still a 3-4 base  
section125 : 5/6/2021 5:11 pm : link
In comment 15256882 Danny Dimes said:
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In comment 15256865 section125 said:


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In comment 15256859 George from PA said:


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Must be dumb person from Colts



He can play 3-4




Ummm no je can't, see Sy's review of him, he is like Justin Tuck who should play DE in a 4-3 with occasionally dt in a 3 and long. Paye isnt even a broje mans Leo Willuams, way to small


Here what Sy said:
"He is an ideal fit for what NYG wants along that defensive front and in the locker room. He doesn’t have the exact same size as Justin Tuck, but I think his style and on-field impact will be very similar. The Michigan defense moved him all over the field because of what he can do. Did it hurt the stats a bit? Sure, but only the ones a casual fan looks at. There is more to DE than sacks. Paye was among the national leader in pressures, and he did it from every angle you can imagine. In addition, he is by far the best run defender in this top 5. "
If the Giants had taken Paye,  
81_Great_Dane : 5/6/2021 5:12 pm : link
there'd be articles about another team being shocked at who they didn't take. You can't take everyone. There's always someone that someone else would have taken in your place.
What are they going to say on a YouTube video produced by the team?  
Mike in NY : 5/6/2021 5:14 pm : link
F**k we lost our guy oh heck Kwity is next on our board?
I was surprised too, but I like the way the Giants draft turned out  
Victor in CT : 5/6/2021 5:20 pm : link
getting Ojulari at #50 was a coup, and they got a dynamic player in Toney.

Who cares what the Colts think?
The Colts got a workout warrior  
Stan in LA : 5/6/2021 5:30 pm : link
Who can't tackle anybody.

Nice pick.
Paye  
Professor Falken : 5/6/2021 5:32 pm : link
only has 7 more career sacks than me.
hell some of us were too  
Platos : 5/6/2021 5:39 pm : link
he seemed like the perfect boring pick after trading down and at a position of need for us.
RE: Paye  
KDavies : 5/6/2021 5:40 pm : link
In comment 15256993 Professor Falken said:
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only has 7 more career sacks than me.


Lol.

Seriously, I don’t think Paye fits the Giants D. Plus they loved Toney. And Giants got a much better pass rusher in the 2nd
Colts just trying to fire up their fan base  
US1 Giants : 5/6/2021 5:44 pm : link
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RE: The Giants don't want players with any Kwit in them.  
MOOPS : 5/6/2021 5:54 pm : link
In comment 15256888 Marty in Albany said:
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Holdin that one for an opportune moment Marty?
RE: The Giants don't want players with any Kwit in them.  
Grizz99 : 5/6/2021 5:59 pm : link
In comment 15256888 Marty in Albany said:
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SHAMEFUL
I was good with him but no doubt  
UConn4523 : 5/6/2021 6:00 pm : link
I love how it ended up in hindsight. Olujari being there at 50 makes this a non story (unless somehow Paye becomes an all pro).
Which time?  
UberAlias : 5/6/2021 6:02 pm : link
We passed twice.
What makes EDGE  
UberAlias : 5/6/2021 6:08 pm : link
One of the top 2 or 3 most important positions on the field is the ability to get after the QB. Paye has some elite skills such as stoping the run and setting the edge, put pass rushing is not one of them.

The issue I had with Paye is paying premium price for skills you can find in players later in the draft. Perhaps not same level, but you can find guys to do those things later. We got a better pass rusher 30 picks later. I’m more than happy with that.
Please excuse the pun. I really don't follow college football.  
Marty in Albany : 5/6/2021 6:19 pm : link
I'm like the guy at the racetrack who knows nothing about horses, and bets strictly according to the horses' names.
Ill admit it...  
John In CO : 5/6/2021 6:36 pm : link
So was I. Im not unhappy with the selection of Toney at all, BUT if I had been making the pick, Paye would have been it.
RE: Not even a broke* mans Leo  
bLiTz 2k : 5/6/2021 6:45 pm : link
In comment 15256887 Danny Dimes said:
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To small and weak....7 career sacks???? Lol


You're an idiot...
I’ve always thought  
Giant John : 5/6/2021 6:46 pm : link
If you don’t show it on the field. You need to go look for it because you don’t have it.
I wanted Paye at 20..  
Sean : 5/6/2021 7:01 pm : link
but knowing Ojulari was drafted while netting an additional 3rd next year is a no brainer. This is a guy who was in the conversation at 11, to get him at 50 is great.

So it’s really Paye + 2nd round WR at 42

or

Toney + Ojulari + 2022 3rd rounder

I liked how it worked out.
Yikes, people get awfully weird about this stuff  
j_rud : 5/6/2021 7:04 pm : link
Its not a personal affront to the Giants, Im not exactly sure why people feel the need to defend the team or denigrate Paye. They're just playing the PR game and who knows, they could've been legitimately surprised. If the asshats here heard we liked Paye is it a stretch to believe the Colts heard it to? Regardless of how true it was or wasnt?
I was surprised  
JonC : 5/6/2021 7:13 pm : link
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RE: Please excuse the pun. I really don't follow college football.  
MOOPS : 5/6/2021 7:16 pm : link
In comment 15257030 Marty in Albany said:
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I'm like the guy at the racetrack who knows nothing about horses, and bets strictly according to the horses' names.


Hey, in case Paye got drafted by the Giants, I was saving
'no kwit in the game, just the name'
This shows  
Rave7 : 5/6/2021 7:30 pm : link
an excellent job by Giants using misdirection which we didn’t see from pre-Judege era.
Even other NFL team was fooled by Giants. Even asshat sources
from godeep13 had Paye to Giants. Lots of media nfl people were fooled.
We passed Paye twice. Personally I liked Paye but I guess Graham and Judge and Getty thought Ojulari is better fit in our defensive scheme. I’m fine with it and I like the pick especially we got additional 3rd 2022.
Scheme matters. There’s not many defensive players who are scheme-transcendant.
Let’s see if Giants are right in 3 yrs.
RE: This shows  
Sean : 5/6/2021 7:35 pm : link
In comment 15257097 Rave7 said:
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an excellent job by Giants using misdirection which we didn’t see from pre-Judege era.
Even other NFL team was fooled by Giants. Even asshat sources
from godeep13 had Paye to Giants. Lots of media nfl people were fooled.
We passed Paye twice. Personally I liked Paye but I guess Graham and Judge and Getty thought Ojulari is better fit in our defensive scheme. I’m fine with it and I like the pick especially we got additional 3rd 2022.
Scheme matters. There’s not many defensive players who are scheme-transcendant.
Let’s see if Giants are right in 3 yrs.

It does seem the Giants may have tightened the leaks a bit. Toney’s name wasn’t mentioned once. Rico & JonC were saying offense though.
RE: RE: This shows  
bw in dc : 5/6/2021 7:44 pm : link
In comment 15257101 Sean said:
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It does seem the Giants may have tightened the leaks a bit. Toney’s name wasn’t mentioned once. Rico & JonC were saying offense though.


In fairness, the Asshats were assuming the pick taking place at #11. Hard to factor in how the board changes a trade occurs (especially down).

Obviously One Giants Way didn't see Toney worth the #11 slot...
And the Giants  
mittenedman : 5/6/2021 7:44 pm : link
didn't even care enough for Ojulari to take him at #42. They traded down and were obviously still OK not getting him.
Kwity Paye to Colts  
Hawkman : 5/6/2021 9:02 pm : link
Many of you know I was with Kwity on draft night and I was disappointed as it would have been fun for me if Kwity was a Giant but we had a great night with the trade downs and we will know in several years if we had a good draft or not...certainly other than OL( heard we liked AVT) we checked a lot of boxes. Kwity landed in a great spot and it was no surprise that the Colts drafted him.....there were 5-6 teams that seemed very interested in Kwity and from afar I think the GMEN were one of them but we needed a WR and they saw more value in Toney than Kwity. Being involved in the process there are many factors that factor into who drafts who,....team needs, talent, character, production,medicals,on field and off field history,interviews,teams relationship with various colleges,which positions have more talent and depth in a particular draft ....it isn’t a perfect science and draft boards change by the minute based on other teams moves

Let’s go GMEN
No need to down play Paye  
Boatie Warrant : 5/7/2021 7:17 am : link
He looks like a great player but the Giants obviously liked Toney better for what they want to do.

I am glad Ojulari fell to us but the Giants couldn't know he would be there when they picked at 42 let alone still there at 50. And WR was way deeper in this draft than edge. That to me tells me how much the Giants liked Toney.
RE: And the Giants  
section125 : 5/7/2021 7:29 am : link
In comment 15257108 mittenedman said:
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didn't even care enough for Ojulari to take him at #42. They traded down and were obviously still OK not getting him.


For once I actually think they had their tiers set up, and picked who was available when their turn came. DG said they had 5 players they liked at #42 and figured one or two would survive to #50. He said two were oline (Sy thinks it was Tevin Jenkins and Aaron Banks IIRC). So they were not picking positions but players. By that thinking and explanation, it is clear next years draft was deeply in their minds and as important as this year's picks.
RE: And the Giants  
Sean : 5/7/2021 7:31 am : link
In comment 15257108 mittenedman said:
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didn't even care enough for Ojulari to take him at #42. They traded down and were obviously still OK not getting him.

It’s better not to fall in love with one player. That’s why I loved how the Giants handled this draft. Gettleman said there were 5 players they liked at 42, which is why they felt comfortable dropping 8 spots. It appears Aaron Robinson was one of those players in the conversation at 42 initially.

The trade down worked well, and then the trade up in the 3rd worked well too - Robinson was probably the only player left on the horizontal line at that point. It worked well.
I like the fit of Ojulari a LOT more  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/7/2021 7:38 am : link
than Paye. People keep saying he's not limited to a 3-4 lineman but I'd like to see that before believing it.

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RE: I like the fit of Ojulari a LOT more  
section125 : 5/7/2021 7:43 am : link
In comment 15257294 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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than Paye. People keep saying he's not limited to a 3-4 lineman but I'd like to see that before believing it.

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Explain that please
TBCH  
JoeyBigBlue : 5/7/2021 7:44 am : link
I wanted Paye at 20. I think he’s a high floor player. Ojulari might be a more talented player, but his slight frame and injury history scares the hell out of me. I hope the Giants made the right choice.
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