Marino vs Eli

….. the guy was throwing 48 touchdowns when receivers were being grabbed non stop. This guy would throw for 90 touchdowns in today’s NFL. Next

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Love Eli but come on...that said, I bet Marino would trade his career for Eli's belong wise.

Bling wise. Damn autocorrect.

I have thought about this a lot. Once Eli won that Superbowl, every single year, I felt like all we had to do, was get to the tournament and we had a chance. That feeling meant everything.

It made every Sunday matter. A Dolphin fan probably felt like their heart would eventually break. He got there a lot, and never got over the top. Marino was great, but he was no Eli.

Eli was all balls when it mattered.

I have nothing but contempt for Giant fans that don't appreciate him.

I can't lie.

Were there problems that outweighed his talent?

but Marino was amazing. One could argue he was one of the top 5 QBs of all time, but I don't quite think Eli's there. His post 2011 teams didn't do him any favors though. If Eli played like post season Eli, however, I don't think Marino would stand a chance.

Marino is one of the greatest to ever ever play the game.

In comment 15257117 Thegratefulhead said:

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I have thought about this a lot. Once Eli won that Superbowl, every single year, I felt like all we had to do, was get to the tournament and we had a chance. That feeling meant everything. It made every Sunday matter. A Dolphin fan probably felt like their heart would eventually break. He got there a lot, and never got over the top. Marino was great, but he was no Eli. Eli was all balls when it mattered. I have nothing but contempt for Giant fans that don't appreciate him. I can't lie.

If our 2011 receiver core stayed health and kept preforming, I think Eli would have brought home 2 more. It's hard to believe we had Nicks, Cruz, Hixon, and Manningham, and then just didn't. They came and went so quickly.

Then the following season dealing that 85 Bears juggernaut their only loss. Phenomenal player.

clearly
and bavaro

Threw a better ball. Legendary release ect. Nice.

I would rather have the Superbowl trophies.

In comment 15257119 TLong said:

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Were there problems that outweighed his talent?

He had a poor senior year at Pitt and there were rumors of drug use.

it's breath taking. He was a tremendous QB blessed by the QB Gods.

Rodgers is Marino with more mobility. But Marino was tougher.

I liked Eli and those 2 SBs will always be cherished, but Marino by miles.

Lots of chatter that Marino had coke problem, which was huge issue in 80s. Hell, Len Bias dropped dead 3 years later after doing it.

Marino had the most natural arm I've ever seen. It was so effortless. Love Eli, but take away the two championships and he's a mediocre QB.

knows something we don't."

- Random mouthbreathing Jets fan wearing a terrible polo shirt at the 1983 Draft

It’s fair comparing stats without looking at offensive scheme and talent.

Regular season Marino. Winning the biggest game of the year Eli. Eli

People here would trade places with Marino fans? A QB that gets you there consistently
but never gets over the top versus the guy that only gets there a few times but closes the whole deal twice and does it against the best of all time?

I don't understand you guys at all.

Crazy.

It's a team game. Eli didn't do it all by himself, particularly in 07. QBs don't deserve all the credit nor all the blame.

In comment 15257119 TLong said:

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Were there problems that outweighed his talent?

He wasn't sharing his marijuana cigarettes

In comment 15257157 Banks said:

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It's a team game. Eli didn't do it all by himself, particularly in 07. QBs don't deserve all the credit nor all the blame.

The 07 season wasn't Eli, but the post season was. Our defense did awesome in the playoffs but Eli was really something else. Yes QB's do get too much credit (for better of for worse) but Eli deserved every bit of credit for that '07 playoff run.

As Marino was, his playoff stats were not. You would figure one of the times he got to the playoffs he could have elevated those around him or carried them on the strength of his arm. Marino came up short a lot when it mattered.

I believe the intangibles of champions make a difference that cannot be measured in stats. According was right. Eli has it. The important it that all football fans hope their QB has.


I would not trade places with Marino fans in a million years.

In the same class asMarino, not even close. Admitting that doesn’t equate to a lack of appreciation for Eli.

My damn phone.

In comment 15257162 EmusNYG said:

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The 07 season wasn't Eli, but the post season was. Our defense did awesome in the playoffs but Eli was really something else. Yes QB's do get too much credit (for better of for worse) but Eli deserved every bit of credit for that '07 playoff run.

Eli turned around his regular season and became efficient in the playoffs, but he threw well below 200 yards a couple games. We don't win if the defense doesn't step up. The defense held all but Dallas(~330) to under 300 yards per game in the playoffs including the what many thought was an unstoppable offense. I'm not trying to take away anything from Eli, but he didn't win those games alone

In comment 15257168 joeinpa said:

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In the same class asMarino, not even close. Admitting that doesn’t equate to a lack of appreciation for Eli.

would you rather been a fan of Marino and his awards or Eli and his trophies?

You be the judge!

Marino is one of most the gifted passers of all time. The hardest thing about being NFL is the pressure. That pressure goes up the closer to the Superbowl you get.

Eli had more of THAT than Marino and it mattered. When these kind of questions come up I always look at them as who I would rather have been a fan of. For me, the most important measure is always titles.

In comment 15257170 Banks said:

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In comment 15257162 EmusNYG said: Quote: The 07 season wasn't Eli, but the post season was. Our defense did awesome in the playoffs but Eli was really something else. Yes QB's do get too much credit (for better of for worse) but Eli deserved every bit of credit for that '07 playoff run. Eli turned around his regular season and became efficient in the playoffs, but he threw well below 200 yards a couple games. We don't win if the defense doesn't step up. The defense held all but Dallas(~330) to under 300 yards per game in the playoffs including the what many thought was an unstoppable offense. I'm not trying to take away anything from Eli, but he didn't win those games alone

Well I mean no one does, but I see what your saying.

There were several issues. A fantastic Bills team that went to 4 straight SB’s in his division, never really had a “great” RB in a time where you needed a running game (especially in the playoffs), and the Dolphins were never quite there talent wise on defense.

Elway almost suffered the same fate as Marino. He won back to back SB’s very very late in his career.

I mean look at Rodgers, Favre and Peyton Manning. Amazing QB’s but all three won one SB a piece. Or Jim Kelly, 4 straight SB’s, zero wins.

Winning a SB is a team effort no matter how great your QB is. That’s why you don’t trade three first rounders, etc. to pick up a QB. It guarantees nothing other than being in the playoffs on a regular basis, not SB titles.

In comment 15257180 eric2425ny said:

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There were several issues. A fantastic Bills team that went to 4 straight SB’s in his division, never really had a “great” RB in a time where you needed a running game (especially in the playoffs), and the Dolphins were never quite there talent wise on defense. Elway almost suffered the same fate as Marino. He won back to back SB’s very very late in his career. I mean look at Rodgers, Favre and Peyton Manning. Amazing QB’s but all three won one SB a piece. Or Jim Kelly, 4 straight SB’s, zero wins. Winning a SB is a team effort no matter how great your QB is. That’s why you don’t trade three first rounders, etc. to pick up a QB. It guarantees nothing other than being in the playoffs on a regular basis, not SB titles.

Great point. Not to take away from it but Peyton did win a second one in Denver.

In comment 15257190 EmusNYG said:

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In comment 15257180 eric2425ny said: Quote: There were several issues. A fantastic Bills team that went to 4 straight SB’s in his division, never really had a “great” RB in a time where you needed a running game (especially in the playoffs), and the Dolphins were never quite there talent wise on defense. Elway almost suffered the same fate as Marino. He won back to back SB’s very very late in his career. I mean look at Rodgers, Favre and Peyton Manning. Amazing QB’s but all three won one SB a piece. Or Jim Kelly, 4 straight SB’s, zero wins. Winning a SB is a team effort no matter how great your QB is. That’s why you don’t trade three first rounders, etc. to pick up a QB. It guarantees nothing other than being in the playoffs on a regular basis, not SB titles. Great point. Not to take away from it but Peyton did win a second one in Denver.

Good call, my mistake.

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In comment 15257119 TLong said: Quote: Were there problems that outweighed his talent? He wasn't sharing his marijuana cigarettes

Pot maybe was his breakfast. Marino was doing the hard stuff - Coke. Some of the stories in Pitt are legendary about how crazy he was. Not sure when he slowed down, but he was still really heavy into things in the 90's too.

In comment 15257193 eric2425ny said:

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In comment 15257190 EmusNYG said: Quote: In comment 15257180 eric2425ny said: Quote: There were several issues. A fantastic Bills team that went to 4 straight SB’s in his division, never really had a “great” RB in a time where you needed a running game (especially in the playoffs), and the Dolphins were never quite there talent wise on defense. Elway almost suffered the same fate as Marino. He won back to back SB’s very very late in his career. I mean look at Rodgers, Favre and Peyton Manning. Amazing QB’s but all three won one SB a piece. Or Jim Kelly, 4 straight SB’s, zero wins. Winning a SB is a team effort no matter how great your QB is. That’s why you don’t trade three first rounders, etc. to pick up a QB. It guarantees nothing other than being in the playoffs on a regular basis, not SB titles. Great point. Not to take away from it but Peyton did win a second one in Denver. Good call, my mistake.

That kinda helps your point actually. The only two QB's to win super bowls with another team where released and picked up by their future team in free agency. They where discarded by their old teams too early. The only other one to have relative success (in super bowl terms) is Montana, and he was traded for next to nothing.

It would be one thing if Eli was “carried” to both his Super Bowls the way some idiots claim— but his 2011 season as a whole was more impressive than any season Marino ever had, Including his 5000 yard season. Why? Because Eli carried that “above-average” Giants team to a title a way very few (if any) QBs have ever done. Marino had a few teams probably better than those 2011 Giants and he never won the big one. That’s true singular goal of why anyone plays football or even plays the games in the first place and he never got it done.

I wouldn’t say Jim McMahon was better than Marino just because he has a ring for instance, but I think there is really something to be said for that 2011 run by Eli— it was the pinnacle of his career and it was a higher peak than anything Marino ever accomplished, and Marino would trade any and every accomplishment he had for a season like that.

had a better 2011 season than any Marino year had??

JFC.

Marino played football when it was actually a contact sport for the QB. In 1984, led the Fins to a 14-2 record and to the SB. Only to get upended by a great 49ers team led by Montana.

That year Marino threw for 48TDs/17 INTs, 65% completion%, 5K yards, 9 YPA, 9.4 AY/A. And was the league MVP.

He led the league in TDs (next closest player threw for 32), yards, tied for completion %, led in YPA and AY/A, yards per game, rating...whatever you can think of...

The guy was completely ahead of his time.

Eli NEVER sniffed a year like that. JFC.

The fins had about 2 more years of defense when Marino came on board before it went hell. I don't think they had a solid defense again until year 3 of the Johnson era when Marino was done. The run game was pretty much non-existent his whole career. He ever had a realistic shot to win anything after 84.

Marino would give anything to have. As excellent as our SB wins were, however, and as cool as Eli's memorable plays were (Helmet Catch, "Make Manningham beat us" etc.), I think the Patriots would say our defense was the key. After giving the Pats 38 points in the season finale, we held them to 16 points in SB 42. And to 17 points in SB 46. Eli WAS clutch, and he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, but Marino... wow.

Marino will never be beat Re his lightning fast release, and he has a great OL including Dwight Stephenson as well as the super WRa in Clayton and Duper. We will likely never see another QB with a faster release than Marino. It was beyond humanely possible and he b
Bad the talent around him

Let’s see what 2021 brings

I need to clarify. If you prefer Marino to Eli I disagree but I have no issue. I only have issue with people that do not appreciate Eli. IE People that don't think he was good.

Those saying Marino here are wearing extremely bright big blue glasses. One poster is talking about "fans." That has nothing to with who is better.

And anyone trying to convince themselves that Eli had a single season better than Marino's 1984 season is just nuts.

Why ignore the 1984 stats in which his passing rating was off the charts? How can anyone ignore justifying how amazingly great he was that season?

In comment 15257257 giantstock said:

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Those saying Eli here are wearing extremely bright big blue glasses. One poster is talking about "fans." That has nothing to with who is better. And anyone trying to convince themselves that Eli had a single season better than Marino's 1984 season is just nuts. Why ignore the 1984 stats in which his passing rating was off the charts? How can anyone ignore justifying how amazingly great he was that season?

I meant Eli. Those saying ELI are wearing bright blue shades.

In comment 15257210 bw in dc said:

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had a better 2011 season than any Marino year had?? JFC. Marino played football when it was actually a contact sport for the QB. In 1984, led the Fins to a 14-2 record and to the SB. Only to get upended by a great 49ers team led by Montana. That year Marino threw for 48TDs/17 INTs, 65% completion%, 5K yards, 9 YPA, 9.4 AY/A. And was the league MVP. He led the league in TDs (next closest player threw for 32), yards, tied for completion %, led in YPA and AY/A, yards per game, rating...whatever you can think of... The guy was completely ahead of his time. Eli NEVER sniffed a year like that. JFC.

Hey bw, how are u?

I know you like stats, did you know that prior to 2020 Eli Manning was the only QB in NFL History to throw for 4400+ yards in a season AND win the SB? And he threw for 4933.

Of course Tom Brady threw for 4633 this past season.

Only 8 times a QB passed for 4000+ yards in a season and won the SB.

Also did you know that Rodgers won the SB in the season he tied for the most INTs in his career at 13?

Anyway, not that it means anything, just find these to be some interesting stats and wanted to share.

In comment 15257259 jomps said:

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In comment 15257210 bw in dc said: Quote: had a better 2011 season than any Marino year had?? JFC. Marino played football when it was actually a contact sport for the QB. In 1984, led the Fins to a 14-2 record and to the SB. Only to get upended by a great 49ers team led by Montana. That year Marino threw for 48TDs/17 INTs, 65% completion%, 5K yards, 9 YPA, 9.4 AY/A. And was the league MVP. He led the league in TDs (next closest player threw for 32), yards, tied for completion %, led in YPA and AY/A, yards per game, rating...whatever you can think of... The guy was completely ahead of his time. Eli NEVER sniffed a year like that. JFC. Hey bw, how are u? I know you like stats, did you know that prior to 2020 Eli Manning was the only QB in NFL History to throw for 4400+ yards in a season AND win the SB? And he threw for 4933. Of course Tom Brady threw for 4633 this past season. Only 8 times a QB passed for 4000+ yards in a season and won the SB. Also did you know that Rodgers won the SB in the season he tied for the most INTs in his career at 13? Anyway, not that it means anything, just find these to be some interesting stats and wanted to share.

Do these numbers include the playoffs? Just curious.

In comment 15257217 Banks said:

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The fins had about 2 more years of defense when Marino came on board before it went hell. I don't think they had a solid defense again until year 3 of the Johnson era when Marino was done. The run game was pretty much non-existent his whole career. He ever had a realistic shot to win anything after 84.

He played with a top 10 defense for 5 seasons of his career. More then Eli. His defenses were not bad although some Dolphins fans will have you believe that

I don’t like our chances.

Of course, any given Sunday, etc.

Marino is the best pure QB I ever saw. And he was tough and a leader. Shula just couldn't build a strong enough D or running game to compliment him.