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Super, Lil' Jimmy Cokehead is getting more involved in the Rangers  
Greg from LI : 8:58 am : link
That couldn't possibly be a bad thing!
And, of course, Sather continues to hang around  
Greg from LI : 9:01 am : link
Guy couldn't put together a winner in 15 years despite the entirety of a HOF goalie's career but, sure, his counsel is invaluable.

What a joke.
What a blood-chilling quote  
“I saw a weakness in the team that was not being addressed and I knew it needed to be,” Dolan told The Post during a telephone interview on Thursday in explaining why he dismissed president John Davidson and general manager Jeff Gorton. “I knew that we were missing a key component to us being a Stanley Cup contender."

Jimmy Dolan, hockey expert.
Sounds like Sather and others  
JonC : 9:12 am : link
have been in his ear, and it's a shame.

I don't disagree the Rangers are missing an element of toughness and physicality, in addition to spots in the lineup they simply have not been able to fill. I'd wager he wanted to fire Gorton, JD refused and was sent packing with him.
RE: And, of course, Sather continues to hang around  
BrettNYG10 : 9:19 am : link
In comment 15257375 Greg from LI said:
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Guy couldn't put together a winner in 15 years despite the entirety of a HOF goalie's career but, sure, his counsel is invaluable.

What a joke.


Best goalie of all time to win a Cup. And he was elite for a decade. Still burns.

JonC, I think Brooks wrote about that a couple of days ago (about JD refusing to fire Gorton).
To not win a Cup*  
BrettNYG10 : 9:20 am : link
Obviously.
JD..  
and Gorton have laid a really good foundation of young players here the past couple of seasons. I fear they will find a way to dismantle the team and bring in vets, possibly even as a reaction to not being "tough enough".

Dolan taking any interest in the operation of the team is a bad thing.
certainly looks like Slats is the horse whisperer  
Victor in CT : 9:27 am : link
it is what it is. I like Drury though. Hopefully it works out.
RE: What a blood-chilling quote  
The_Boss : 9:31 am : link
In comment 15257387 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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“I saw a weakness in the team that was not being addressed and I knew it needed to be,” Dolan told The Post during a telephone interview on Thursday in explaining why he dismissed president John Davidson and general manager Jeff Gorton. “I knew that we were missing a key component to us being a Stanley Cup contender."

Jimmy Dolan, hockey expert.


For real. “I saw a weakness..”. You mean Glen told you about the perceived weakness over the phone while you were in the jacuzzi eating Chateaubriand...spoiled fuck wouldn’t know the difference between the 5 hole and his asshole...
Fully expect unpopular trades to come this offseason  
JonC : 9:35 am : link
Let's hope Drury has the it factor and avoids allowing too much influence from Sather.
Here's what I wonder  
Greg from LI : 9:35 am : link
When/if Drury makes moves Sather doesn't like, who wins in Dolan's mind? I think we all intuitively know the answer to that.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 9:43 am : link
I expect a trade for Eichel now and think the Rangers will pony up better prospects than they would otherwise. I don't think Lafreniere/Kakko are at risk but Kravtsov and Lundkvist might be.
RE: Super, Lil' Jimmy Cokehead is getting more involved in the Rangers  
djm : 9:44 am : link
In comment 15257373 Greg from LI said:
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That couldn't possibly be a bad thing!


I still believe dolan’s biggest failures are not getting involved quickly enough. He should have fired guys like isiah Thomas and phil jackson sooner than he did. I can’t recall an instance where he fired someone too soon. This whole thing is weird so I’m not exactly giving him a pass here, but maybe they needed to make a change? Not every firing is a disgrace, even if it looks that way early on.

I know, not a popular take. Rangers weren’t exactly a beacon of aspiring greatness the last calendar year....
It has been so exciting to consider the possibilities of all these kid  
coming up. And now, it is terrifying to consider the possibility of trading great young talent for a couple of meatheads. There are not enough circles of hell for Jimmy Dolan and his incompetence, ego, and malevolence.
Also  
djm : 9:44 am : link
JD hasn’t won shit as a front office exec. Maybe he needed to go?
This is scary to me  
ShockNRoll : 9:46 am : link
The Rangers have spent the past 5 years building up assets, some of those players are now ready to come up and make an impact, or already have. I fear that this change essentially restarts the clock on the rebuild. The rebuild that I felt was getting pretty close to being over, and that the team was ready to start going on deep playoff runs in the next 2-3 years. I fear for what this means for some of the skill players like Chytil, Strome, Lundkvist, Kravtsov, even Lafreniere and Kakko. Are these guys going to be traded off and will we wind up with more Tanner Glass and Stu Bickel type players who are tough, but provide nothing? I don’t know, I felt like this year’s results were not what we wanted, but that the Rangers had achieved the hard part of building teams, which is acquiring high end talent. Now you can go and fill in those bottom 2 lines and bottom pair with more hard nosed players.

I don’t know, I agree that this team doesn’t have the physicality it needs, but I still feel like it’s been a successful overhaul to this point, and I hope Drury is up to the task.
RE: ....  
JonC : 9:49 am : link
In comment 15257418 BrettNYG10 said:
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I expect a trade for Eichel now and think the Rangers will pony up better prospects than they would otherwise. I don't think Lafreniere/Kakko are at risk but Kravtsov and Lundkvist might be.


I might prefer to keep Kravtsov and move Kakko as required. Wonder how they're viewed by the NHL. Trading for Eichel, I'm afraid to see the haul they'll fork over for him.
It's terrifying that Dolan  
bigbluehoya : 9:52 am : link
is weighing in more. I don't see any upside in that.

I'm not terribly optimistic, but I'm very eager to see what direction Drury heads in. Making a few moves to consolidate some of the asset stockpile they put together isn't foolish in principle. But, like all things, it will be about the specific moves....and we have plenty of bad experiences in seeing them haphazardly chase after the shiny toys.

As far as the toughness stuff, I hope they don't over-react that way on the roster construction, but I can't disagree too much with the premise that having zero skilled grit / enforcement has gone on too long. We've all seen it and lamented it ad nauseum over the past number of years. None of us want to watch a band of unskilled goons roaming around making dirty plays. There's surely a balance that needs to be struck, and I think they've missed badly on the other side of that balance for years running. (And to be clear, this component surely doesn't rise to the level of 'Davidson-needs-to-be-fired-for-this' IMO)
RE: Fully expect unpopular trades to come this offseason  
Dankbeerman : 9:53 am : link
In comment 15257412 JonC said:
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Let's hope Drury has the it factor and avoids allowing too much influence from Sather.


They are going to have to trade from a bunch of names that are going to drive people nuts.

But the depth they have built needs to be turned into impact players. They are all so young even a guy like Buch is blocking guys.

Add to that a the D-men coming up and some of them will have to be available
Players now in danger  
PaulN : 9:57 am : link
Kravtov, Lundkvist, Hajek, Chytil, and Jones. There is also a few vets In danger, a possibility that Buchnevich, Zibanejad, and Kreider could also be in danger. Although I honestly think it's Kreider first and foremost who is defenetly in danger. He was the veteran leader and this team does reflect his play. Great when interested, bad when not, come up shirt in intensity at the worst moments. One pkayer or two that may rise up next season is Barron and Gauthier. They will be looking to be bigger, they may ask these two to play more physical. I think Chytil is gone for certain.
RE: RE: Super, Lil' Jimmy Cokehead is getting more involved in the Rangers  
Greg from LI : 9:58 am : link
In comment 15257419 djm said:
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I still believe dolan’s biggest failures are not getting involved quickly enough. He should have fired guys like isiah Thomas and phil jackson sooner than he did. I can’t recall an instance where he fired someone too soon.


You're right! Which is why the continued presence of Glen Sather is disturbing.
What was  
pjcas18 : 9:59 am : link
the weakness he noticed?

sand paper?

Did he expand on the weakness?
......  
BrettNYG10 : 10:00 am : link
I like Eichel but his salary is too big and should limit the return. I'm fine with a picks + secondary prospect type deal and maybe someone like Buchnevich. A bit more expensive deal than the Rick Nash deal but not by much. The Sabres should be gritting their teeths at the trade more than NYR.

The Rangers have already made errors signing Trouba and Kreider to long-term deals. Eichel is worth his money but you need some real bargains to win Cups.
RE: What was  
Greg from LI : 10:02 am : link
In comment 15257436 pjcas18 said:
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the weakness he noticed?

sand paper?

Did he expand on the weakness?


Not really. This was the explanation, if you can call it that:

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“And that is the overall spirit and culture that goes with being a team. I believe that as good of a job as JD and Jeff have done, in speaking with them, it is clear to me that Chris Drury was going to be the right guy to lead the team forward.”
This is by no means  
PaulN : 10:03 am : link
What I want. I believe you build the talent first, them piece in the role players, that is the easy part. But first you want to establish your core moving forward. I thought they were doing this just fine. I thought the organization was finally being run right. I admit I was all over the place on Quinn. He did do good with some of the young players and some of the vets. But I also had serious questions about him also. I still am up and down, But right now I feel it's best to move on from Quinn.
At this point, it's almost as if Eichel will be set up to disappoint  
Greg from LI : 10:04 am : link
He's a great player, but if the Rangers deal for him, they'll promote him as if he's the missing piece for a Cup, that it's a trade like when they got Messier in 1991. Eichel's great, but he's no Messier.
RE: ....  
ShockNRoll : 10:04 am : link
In comment 15257418 BrettNYG10 said:
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I expect a trade for Eichel now and think the Rangers will pony up better prospects than they would otherwise. I don't think Lafreniere/Kakko are at risk but Kravtsov and Lundkvist might be.


I don’t see them trading for Eichel at this point, and actually think this move is good for Zibanejad, as he is arguably the most complete forward this team has, and I think his tendency to take over games is something the front office is going to want to keep around. Buchnevich I also think stays long-term. Strome, Chytil, Kravtsov, and Lundkvist I think are the guys that will be used as trade chips for “tougher” players. I love Chytil, I think he’s on the brink of being a really high end talent in this league, but he’s all finesse, sucks in the faceoff dot, and is not a guy who you can rely upon to be digging pucks out of corners. Strength up the middle is what I think the Rangers are shooting for, solid 2 way players, where Strome and Chytil are both good talented players, but are not reliable in their own end. While Eichel is generally good in his own end, I think they will be looking for lower priced options here.

Philip Danault comes to mind as a UFA. D’s Jani Hakanpaa, Adam Larsson, and Jamie Oleksiak are guys that fill the toughness bill. Honestly I don’t know enough about the potential trade market, but I’m sure the Rangers will be looking to trade for a C, just don’t think Eichel is who they go for.
The bargains  
PaulN : 10:06 am : link
Come with the kids, and also an overachiever or two from vets. Triuba is the most important player on the team. LOL. But he was bad move on what planet. Planet LA LA land. Kreider was a horrible move.
Maybe  
PaulN : 10:07 am : link
You missed the games recently without Trouba? Unreal, that is a BBI classic.
Also, when Dolan says "Many owners tell me...."  
Greg from LI : 10:10 am : link
Am I the only one who immediately thinks of George Steinbrenner's "My baseball people tell me...."? And, like Steinbrenner's baseball people, I'm guessing these "many owners" are the voices in Dolan's head.
Trouba  
ShockNRoll : 10:13 am : link
People are upset with Trouba because he was an ascending top 10/15 D in this league when they traded for him on both ends of the ice. He had a 50 point season the year before the Rangers traded for him. He has not been that player for this team, and he has a propensity to turn the puck over.

That said, he is a tough physical player. When looking at what types of players the Rangers would want in becoming a tougher club, a player with Trouba’s attributes comes to mind. Trouba and K’Andre were looking like one of the best 2nd pairs in the league, and will only get collectively better over the years as Miller learns the pro game. Remember that Miller is a converted forward. With Fox/Lindgren, Trouba/Miller, you can argue that in 2-3 years, the Rangers will have the best top 2 pairs in the NHL. Then it’s about filling that 3rd pair with guys that are not Brendan Smith, Jack Johnson, Anthony Bitetto, even Libor Hajek who I think has been serviceable, but is replaceable as well.
I'm envisioning multiple Glass / McLeod / Rupp types brought in,  
Mad Mike : 10:14 am : link
and that's not an encouraging vision.
People are upset with Trouba because of that, but also  
Greg from LI : 10:15 am : link
because his contract is a disaster.

What galls me most about all of this craziness is that the things Dolan's yammering on about point to coaching as the problem more than anything, yet I'm certain David Quinn will be back next season. As someone commented at BSB:

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Ladies And Gentleman, Your 2020-2021 New York Rangers:

Alexis Lafreniere received the lowest average TOI of ANY rookie #1 Overall selection NHL player this CENTURY

Colin Blackwell received more average TOI than both Lafreniere and Filip Chytil

Blackwell spent 22 more minutes on the Power Play, and 45 more minutes at even strength than Chytil.

Chytil and Brett Howden had nearly identical overall TOI numbers

Chytil received fewer average TOI than any other season throughout his first 4 years in the NHL

Lafreniere, Chytil, and Kaapo Kakko combined for 13 fewer minutes of Total Power Play ice time than Ryan Strome

Lafreniere and Chytil didn’t register a SINGLE Power Play Point between them the entire season

Kakko’s average TOI this year was practically identical to his rookie season

The Rangers blew 3rd period leads on at least 6 separate occasions that resulted in a loss

The Rangers were shut-out as many times as the Buffalo Sabres were

Julien Gauthier was a healthy scratch 25 times

As of this writing David Quinn still has a job, while the Teams GM and President have already been fired.
Dolan is poison  
ghost718 : 10:16 am : link
Have had some Ranger fans say to me "Well,at least he stays out of Hockey".

So much for that

I'll also say this,doesn't have anything to do with hockey but,a lot of Knick fans don't realize the part of the cycle there in.Probably get bounced in the playoffs and maintain a false sense of hope.Seen it all before.
RE: RE: RE: Super, Lil' Jimmy Cokehead is getting more involved in the Rangers  
djm : 10:24 am : link
In comment 15257434 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 15257419 djm said:


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I still believe dolan’s biggest failures are not getting involved quickly enough. He should have fired guys like isiah Thomas and phil jackson sooner than he did. I can’t recall an instance where he fired someone too soon.



You're right! Which is why the continued presence of Glen Sather is disturbing.


Sather wasn’t phil jackson or Isaiah Thomas here. He left the team in pretty good shape even if they never won a cup. His start was dreadful but his second half here was good.
This interview should horrify any Rangers fan  
RobCrossRiver56 : 10:27 am : link
Our rebuild is going to go right out the window. Dolan is now aware of the teams assets and will demand they get spun for what he thinks is a star player or players. Worse is that he felt the Rangers should have made the playoffs this year. When this covid meat grinder of a division was put together, we all felt we would end up in 3rd or 4th place at best. Which we did. Even though all of us were hopeful, Dolan is delusional if he thinks the Rangers are any better than the 4 above us at this time.
Is Eichel worth it?  
Spirit of '86 : 10:29 am : link
Eichel has been a good player but great? His point totals have been ok but not eye popping. His plus/minus have been bad. Is he better than Zibanejad?
Rangers have so many defensive prospects in the pipeline that using one or two of those, like Hajek, is a good use of assets.
Hard to fit Eichel's $10 million per under cap without moving a contract like Trouba, who has a no trade.
Its not losing the prospects that concerns me, its whether he is worth what is needed to do the get under $10 million.
Well, a few things about that  
Greg from LI : 10:30 am : link
He didn't leave them in great shape - he left behind an aging, expensive, declining team. Hence "The Letter".

His success, such as it was, in the second half of his tenure as GM owes almost everything to two things: 1)the '04-05 lockout 2)Henrik Lundqvist. He got incredibly lucky that an unheralded 7th round pick who he knew nothing about at the time turned out to be a HOF goalie. He also got lucky that the lockout allowed him to hit the reset button and make a bunch of bloated contracts (which he had created) disappear.

As Brett and I discussed earlier, his inability to put a Cup-capable team in front of Hank is borderline criminal. He's the best goalie ever to never win a Cup and I think that's a pretty damning indictment of Sather.
I hate to keep harping on it....  
Greg from LI : 10:34 am : link
But look at the Islanders. They made a 23 point improvement going from Doug Weight in '17-18 to Trotz in '18-19 with almost the same roster, and losing a big star in Tavares to boot. The same thing could happen with the Rangers if you replace Quinn with a good coach.
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 10:36 am : link
Sather was President for 18 years and made a single SCF with the best goalie in the league during that time period. If all teams have an equal shot to win a Cup each year, you would actually have higher than 50% odds of winning a Cup over that time period. Add in being gifted an elite goalie and an owner willing to spend, you should have been able to win one.

Sather was a total failure here.
RE: I hate to keep harping on it....  
BrettNYG10 : 10:37 am : link
In comment 15257464 Greg from LI said:
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But look at the Islanders. They made a 23 point improvement going from Doug Weight in '17-18 to Trotz in '18-19 with almost the same roster, and losing a big star in Tavares to boot. The same thing could happen with the Rangers if you replace Quinn with a good coach.


I don't think Quinn is abysmal the way Capuano was. But we can definitely upgrade.
Dear Jimmy,  
Stu11 : 10:39 am : link
The Rangers are a mess. You need to spend every waking moment trying to fix the situation.
Yours Truly
A Devils & Knicks fan
The rangers  
afann : 10:48 am : link
Are very talented but also very soft. They need gritty and some type of enforcer to protect them. They have so many young asesta, some of which need to be used to find the gritty player. Also, the need for a leader, who is the last person to wear the C?
RE: Dear Jimmy,  
In comment 15257471 Stu11 said:
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The Rangers are a mess. You need to spend every waking moment trying to fix the situation.
Yours Truly
A Devils & Knicks fan

Lol, I'll be honest I hate the Rangers more than any team but as a Knicks fan I actually feel bad for the Rangers right now because I know the damage Dolan can do.
RE: I hate to keep harping on it....  
bluesince56 : 11:03 am : link
In comment 15257464 Greg from LI said:
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But look at the Islanders. They made a 23 point improvement going from Doug Weight in '17-18 to Trotz in '18-19 with almost the same roster, and losing a big star in Tavares to boot. The same thing could happen with the Rangers if you replace Quinn with a good coach.


I totally agree. A change on the bench is needed. There will be some very good coaches available. Why they chose to go with a guy with no NHL experience I just can’t understand
RE: RE: What a blood-chilling quote  
Gatorade Dunk : 11:06 am : link
In comment 15257411 The_Boss said:
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In comment 15257387 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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“I saw a weakness in the team that was not being addressed and I knew it needed to be,” Dolan told The Post during a telephone interview on Thursday in explaining why he dismissed president John Davidson and general manager Jeff Gorton. “I knew that we were missing a key component to us being a Stanley Cup contender."

Jimmy Dolan, hockey expert.



For real. “I saw a weakness..”. You mean Glen told you about the perceived weakness over the phone while you were in the jacuzzi eating Chateaubriand...spoiled fuck wouldn’t know the difference between the 5 hole and his asshole...

How do you eat cheateaubriand in a jacuzzi? That seems unnecessarily difficult.
Sather’s tenure here  
ShockNRoll : 11:15 am : link
I’m surprised to see so much negativity. Pre-lockout, he was a disaster, but he used the lockout effectively, and started building around Jagr. Henrik was not the only reason those teams were good. The trade for McDonagh, getting good productivity out of homegrown talent in Stepan, Zuccarello, Kreider, Miller, Hagelin, Girardi, Sauer (pre-injury), and making some good signings/trades like Prust, Boyle, Pouliot, Stralman, Straka, Nylander, etc. The Nash trade was a good one too, right up until he completely disappeared in the 2015 playoffs. Yeah he made some bad moves, the St. Louis trade, Sandus Ozolinsh, Olli Jokinen, Eric Staal, but every GM who makes a trade at the deadline for a guy like that usually looks great at the time, and it generally doesn’t work out too well in the long run. Looking at some of Sather’s moves, there are definite head scratchers, but to be able to build a competitive team that made the Eastern Conference Finals 3 times in 4 years is hard to do. You can make the claim he was lucky to hit on Henrik, but you can also say that Gorton has fallen into Kakko, Lafreniere, Fox, Panarin, and Trouba. Gorton also made some pretty terrible trades, but like Sather, I think his overall body of work has been solid. We’ll see if Drury can pick up where he left off. Regarding Sather though, I think you have to give him credit for adapting after the lockout.
RE: Sather’s tenure here  
ShockNRoll : 11:17 am : link
In comment 15257496 ShockNRoll said:
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I’m surprised to see so much negativity. Pre-lockout, he was a disaster, but he used the lockout effectively, and started building around Jagr. Henrik was not the only reason those teams were good. The trade for McDonagh, getting good productivity out of homegrown talent in Stepan, Zuccarello, Kreider, Miller, Hagelin, Girardi, Sauer (pre-injury), and making some good signings/trades like Prust, Boyle, Pouliot, Stralman, Straka, Nylander, etc. The Nash trade was a good one too, right up until he completely disappeared in the 2015 playoffs. Yeah he made some bad moves, the St. Louis trade, Sandus Ozolinsh, Olli Jokinen, Eric Staal, but every GM who makes a trade at the deadline for a guy like that usually looks great at the time, and it generally doesn’t work out too well in the long run. Looking at some of Sather’s moves, there are definite head scratchers, but to be able to build a competitive team that made the Eastern Conference Finals 3 times in 4 years is hard to do. You can make the claim he was lucky to hit on Henrik, but you can also say that Gorton has fallen into Kakko, Lafreniere, Fox, Panarin, and Trouba. Gorton also made some pretty terrible trades, but like Sather, I think his overall body of work has been solid. We’ll see if Drury can pick up where he left off. Regarding Sather though, I think you have to give him credit for adapting after the lockout.


Correction: Nash was a good trade right up until he disappeared in the 2014 playoffs, not 2015. Though he didn’t really do much in either run.
they don't need "enforcers" as much as they need to mix  
Victor in CT : 11:20 am : link
some north-south types in with what they have now. Look at those Islander games. Panarin, Mika and most of the forwards were content to just flit around the perimeter. Nobody goes to the net, nobody willing to stick his nose in and get dirty.

I agree that Quinn needs to go. He's not respected by top players. There was a column by Brooks last week about how Panarin, Mika and the rest of the top 6 refuse to heed him re the above, insist their way is best. It is against the Devils, not the Islanders.
I'll remain optimistic  
Kyle in NY : 11:21 am : link
with Drury being promoted. He's considered one of the rising front office stars in the league and has been apart of the rebuild so hopefully he's not doing anything crazy with moving the core young players. I do think some of the second tier guys will be moved. I wonder if Chytil's days are numbered, especially if they're looking to get a bit tougher to play against.

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