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I went back and watched every game from last season (long)

Dnew15 : 5/7/2021 11:18 am
I had the COVID and was stuck in isolation with lots of time to kill (luckily my symptoms were very mild) so I decided to go back and watch every Giants game a second time, 5 months after the season was over.

To put it bluntly, it was a totally different experience. Make no mistake about it, it was not nearly as fun, but I felt like I was able to be much more objective about performance with the outcomes already determined 5 months ago.

I learned very quickly that I am emotionally attached to the games, the players and the immediate results because that's part of the fun of being a fan during the season. It seemed like work at times (like the ARZ, Clev and Balt games) - BUT I'm glad I did it.

To completely plagiarize Peter King - these are the things I think, I think after rewatching all the games:

1.) The Giants are closer to being good than I previously thought and the reason for that is Joe Judge and his staff. Re-watching the games made it abundantly clear just how bad this roster was. There was very little talent to work with and the coaches seemed to play each game to "keep it close" because they had no shot at dominating anyone on either side of the ball. There was a three game stretch in which they were clearly outclassed after DJ was banged up or missing - The Cardinals game, the Browns game, and the Ravens game. Every other game that they played they had a legit shot at winning with some really terrible players getting significant reps.

2.) Daniel Jones is an enigma to me. Sometimes he looks every bit like an elite QB. He made some great throws into some tight windows to some bad receivers (more on that later). He is a real weapon when he is on the move, especially on designed run plays. I really do think he can be a Super Bowl winning QB - something that I DID not think before. here are the three things that bother me:
a.) Pocket Presence: he took more bad sacks than any other QBs the Giants played last year. He has to have a better understanding of where the pressure is coming from, when to get rid of the ball, and when not to press the issue. Eli had similar issues and he is a HOF. I do think DJ can get better with this.
b.) Protect Himself: make no mistake about it - he is an absolute WEAPON with the ball in his hands, but he took some absolute shots from defenders too frequently. He's not a small guy - it's not like RG3 out there or anything - but man did he get walloped too often for my liking. He's a gamer, which I love, but he was definitely nursing a serious injury after he was hurt in the Cincy game. He was just a different player after that.
c.) Decision Making: He threw some INTs that were not his fault, but he also threw some INTs that were bad and they were at bad times. The INTs at the end of the Bears and Rams games really stick out in my mind. Again, this is something Eli struggled with throughout his career and he got better when his weapons improved b/c not every throw had to be perfect. I think this will get better too.

3.) The Giants WRs stunk. I was completely wrong about this. They had no one that could break a tackle or run away from a defender. They had no one that could create significant separation consistently. There were very few plays in which I felt like a WR really battled to get into the end zone and make a highlight type run after the catch. Slayton is really good against CBs that would be considered JAGS (it was clear he wasn't the same player after the WFT game due to injury). Next year, with Kenny G on the scene - he's going to have a lot of favorable matchups, but he is no WR1. Shep is another enigma - there are times where I think he's a really good slot WR and other times where he goes long stretches and disappears. CJ Board, D. Rattley, Mack, and G. Tate (he had the worst body language of any player I saw) all played significant minutes and they all stink. We could have had BIll Walsh as the OC and he wasn't dialing up any offense with these guys. Garrett is better than many give him credit for.

4.) A healthy Barkley is going to run for 1700 yards and 15 TDS behind this OL. They turned a corner in the 2nd half of the Rams game and were a different group (they were bad in the Cardinals game) after that. Gallman, Morris, Lewis and Freeman left a TON of yards on the table. None of them could make anyone miss at the second level, none of them could break a tackle, and none of them were running away from anyone. The yards they did get were b/c of the offense line. At different points during the season they were really able to push some DLs around.

5.) The defense was the definition of bend but don't break despite having to play some really terrible defenders significant snaps. Bradberry is very good, but teams just stopped throwing in his direction b/c the other guy was just so bad. Yiadom, Lewis and Ballentine cost them a few games early in the year. None of them are good and were targeted A LOT. I think Love and Ryan are very similar players.

6.) LW is a star. I don't understand why people didn't want to pay him. Dalvin is going to be missed, but I'm interested in what A. Johnson can do with more snaps. He flashed quite a bit during the season. THat DL last year was very good - especially in the red zone. The Giants defense in the red zone, as a whole, was very good. Meanwhile, the Giants offense was terrible in the red zone.

7.) Evan Engram was better than I thought. If he could somehow find a way to get more consistent with his hands, he would be a star. He was the only guy on that offense that could get open with any kind of regularity. Garrett really made him the focal point of the offense b/c everyone else was bad. I think with Rudolph on the team next year - he can really be a difference maker because he won't have to run so many stick routes to the marker.

8.) Special teams were a mixed bag - which was a surprise being that Judge is the coach and the Giants special teams had been pretty good recently. Gano was very good. They had some untimely special team lapses which was very disappointing to see.

9.) I hate to say this, but I think the Giants were pretty unlucky last year. There were some crazy plays, ref calls, events that just killed them this year that seemed out of proportion compared to the teams they played. I get super angry when calls go against the Giants in the heat of the battle and my wife loves to poke the bear with comments like, "you wouldn't say that if it were against the Giants". But even watching it later, minus the emotion, it felt disproportionate. The crazy 4th down conversion in the Bears game and the fist Dallas game was riddled with calls the went against the Giants - that's just two that really stuck out in my mind. I guess the old saying that good teams make their own luck is true - the Giants lost a lot of games.

10.) The Giants schedule last year was hard. I am not overlooking the fact that the NFC east was not good...but they are still divisional games. Even when teams are bad, they always play divisional foes differently. Outside their own division, they played only 2 teams that had a losing record - the 49ers and Bengals. That schedule was no joke. It doesn't look like next year is going to be much easier, but they will be battle tested and have proven that they can hang.

If you actually read this far - I really feel like the arrow on this team is pointing up. I loved the draft and FA cycle and think the Giants have put themselves in a good spot moving forward. The optimist in me sees a franchise that has turned the corner.
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I too rewatched a bunch of games from 2020 recently  
bLiTz 2k : 5/7/2021 11:23 am : link
And I think your assessment is spot on. I think Jones has shown way more than people here give him credit for, and with some offensive diversity he is more than an average QB...weapon is a good way to describe it.

Great  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/7/2021 11:24 am : link
read. Thanks
excellent post  
KDavies : 5/7/2021 11:29 am : link
I agree with much of what you post, particularly your comments on the RBs leaving a ton of yards on the table, Leonard Williams, WRs, and CBs.

The Giants offseason just seems even better and better when you read a review like that. Although they did get Golladay and Jackson, I was happy they got another weapon in the 1st and another CB in the 3rd.

The Giants had some talent last year, but what they lacked was depth. They have gotten depth in a lot of areas where they were weak last year.
Thanks for Sharing Your Thoughts  
OntheRoad : 5/7/2021 11:31 am : link

I had the same general impression last year. The Giants are clearly better than their record. Daniel Jones is good and cut down the turnovers a lot. Really looking forward to seeing the impact of Barkley plus the new players.

If the Giants spend a 1st and a 2nd next year on interior offensive lineman, this team will be scary.
Great post...  
Brown_Hornet : 5/7/2021 11:31 am : link
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Excellent write up, thanks for taking the time.  
Britt in VA : 5/7/2021 11:31 am : link
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Good Stuff  
Capt. Don : 5/7/2021 11:33 am : link
I did something similar and there were at least 8 Gallman runs that went for a decent gain that Barkley wouldve taken to the house.
Nice writeup  
River Mike : 5/7/2021 11:35 am : link
and maybe I think it's nice because it reflects my own feelings and evaluation. I agree with everything you said. I have a lot of optimism going into this fall.
good review dnew15. thanks for posting  
Victor in CT : 5/7/2021 11:35 am : link
I agree with your assessment.
RE: Nice writeup  
Britt in VA : 5/7/2021 11:36 am : link
In comment 15257523 River Mike said:
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and maybe I think it's nice because it reflects my own feelings and evaluation. I agree with everything you said. I have a lot of optimism going into this fall.


Agree with this. This write up is much closer to my own memory of the season.
We will see what happens if the upgrades work out...  
Britt in VA : 5/7/2021 11:37 am : link
specifically among the WR corps.
great post  
ryanmkeane : 5/7/2021 11:37 am : link
i completely forgot about that 4th down Trubisky play. if that doesn't happen, we have 4 minutes with the ball at own 40. do we score a TD? who knows...but they were able to shave off another 2 minutes after that.

some of the away Dallas game stuff was just brutal too. The perfect special teams call by Judge only to have it screwed up by someone (Fleming?) not being set...ugh
the WR separation  
ryanmkeane : 5/7/2021 11:38 am : link
was unbearable throughout the year. I'm watching the youtube 12 minute highlights from the Bears game now, and basically every throw that Jones makes, there is a guy blanketing the WR
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CoughlinHandsonHips : 5/7/2021 11:39 am : link
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8.) Special teams were a mixed bag - which was a surprise being that Judge is the coach and the Giants special teams had been pretty good recently. Gano was very good. They had some untimely special team lapses which was very disappointing to see.


One thing to keep in mind - you mentioned how terrible some of the starters were.

These players backups filled out the special teams.

We can see it now - but Judge focuses on the mid to bottom of the roster with a closer eye than most. Hopefully we'll see a special teams improvement.
Really..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/7/2021 11:41 am : link
good stuff in that post.

Lots of very good insights.
I hope you're right. It seems pretty logical with the reinforcements  
Ira : 5/7/2021 11:42 am : link
we got this off-season and the second year in JJ's system that they will be much improved.

I'm glad your symptoms were only mild and you beat the virus.
I think if everyone went back and rewatched the games  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/7/2021 11:44 am : link
removed from the emotion of the season, you'd find yourself being wrong on a bunch of things. It's a good thing to do if you have the time.
Very good post, not much here  
Section331 : 5/7/2021 11:45 am : link
that I disagree with. With a year in the system and more weapons around him, let's hope the game slows down for DJ. I have my reservations about Garrett, but he didn't have much to work with at the skill positions. I think we led the league in TE jet sweeps!

And getting Bradberry some help outside is crucial. It is really impressive how well the defense played considering who was playing 2nd CB. Adding talent to that group, with a hopefully enhanced pass rush, could make this defense really good.
We hope you are fully recovered. Nice assessment. Pretty fair, I think  
Ivan15 : 5/7/2021 11:46 am : link
There are improvements everywhere. The issue really is “did the Giants improve more than their opponents, especially in the NFC East?”

The O-line improvement will have to be internal, as there were no real “adds”. Solder may not be an improvement over Fleming. WR group improvement will all be external, since no one from the 2020 group should be expected to improve, and probably all will be gone except for Slayton and a couple of practice squad players. TE will improve if Engram is not the primary. Not sure Barkley will ever again be what he was in 2018.

I’m not sure there will be any internal improvement from the defense, except for McKinney getting more playing time. After Bradberry and maybe Holmes, the CBs were just placeholders and will probably be replaced by Jackson and the two draftees. No improvement from 2020 LBs since I’m not sure Ximines or Carter can recover their former potential. Better edge play will come from the “adds”.

Punters and kickers go in cycles so I expect punting and punt coverage to be better. Gano probably can’t perform better than he did. Giants need a special teams leader. Ebner was at the end of the road.
Great post  
Lionhart28 : 5/7/2021 11:46 am : link
I don’t know how you guys do it, though. I had a hard enough time getting through the games live the past few years...
Johnson  
Thegratefulhead : 5/7/2021 11:47 am : link
Glad you said that, because I thought he flashed as much as DT with less time. Solid assessment. I don't want to get ahead of myself but it is really starting to feel like we landed the right coach.

I really think we win the division and if we don't, it is going to be at the feet of Daniel Jones.
Well done,  
Big Blue '56 : 5/7/2021 11:47 am : link
thank you
i also forgot  
ryanmkeane : 5/7/2021 11:47 am : link
that Bradberry was essentially the only CB on the roster that could play man coverage
Good post  
cjac : 5/7/2021 11:54 am : link
In watching games last year vs the previous 2 I think it was clear that the coaching was just a lot better than we had seen. With an improved roster I really feel for the first time in a long time that this team can win this division. I also think they’ll be able to handle injuries better, especially on defense with much better players as backups. I love the direction Judge is taking this team.
It would be a huge improvement  
US1 Giants : 5/7/2021 11:54 am : link
if Jones would just solve his fumbling problem.
Great job Dnew  
Jay on the Island : 5/7/2021 11:54 am : link
Ryan Lewis literally cost the Giants a division title due to him getting beat late in back to back games versus the Eagles and Cowboys. He gave up bombs to both Wentz and Dalton late in the fourth with the Giants leading. They were more hail mary throws and I believe that Ryan Lewis fell down for both of them. If Adoree Jackson was on the Giants last season they win the division.
Really good post  
eric2425ny : 5/7/2021 11:55 am : link
Your comments on the offensive line align with what I remember watching in the second half of the year. They seemed to turn a corner by the mid point of the season.
Good point about Barkley and the OL  
Jay on the Island : 5/7/2021 11:59 am : link
I remember thinking the same thing last year when the OL was creating consistent holes for Gallman, Morris, Freeman, and Lewis. Alfred Morris was a huge surprise as he outplayed every other back not named Barkley. The offensive line improved at run blocking as the season progressed and with the additions of Golladay, Toney, Ross, and Rudolph they won't be able to stack the box anymore.
nice post! glad you recovered...  
GiantNatty : 5/7/2021 12:00 pm : link
the giants won a quasi-playoff game to finish the season (against another team that had to win to stay alive), sweeping the division the second time through in the process. the future clearly felt as bright as it has in a long time.

i also find that the older i get, the less emotional i get on gameday. i try to understand that progress in the nfl isn't as much week-to-week as it is year-to-year. the giants didn't have the horses last year so it was great to see them at least competitive.

my ultimate takeaway from the 2020 season was: outmanned, but well-coached. a good thing considering we had a new coach in his first season. another reason why the feeling after last year was a bit different, and much better than, the end of the season the few years prior.
Second the Evan Engram Comments  
Jesse B : 5/7/2021 12:01 pm : link
Evan Engram is an above average NFL Player.

The problem for the Giants is that last year he had to be THE guy, and under no circumstances on a good team should he be THE guy. When relied on as the focal point, he will disappointed.

If the Giants offensive weapons can create some space for Engram and he only needs to be a viable threat and make an occasional big play I think he can be very good.

Like you said there are no guys on the Giants who could create space, and there are a handful of guys who can create space in the league like Engram can as a TE hybrid player.


I really think with Golloday a healthy Barkley and the threat of Toney this year Engram will be worlds better. He works hard, he stays out of the news, and he makes some big plays, he catches a lot of flack because he is inconsistent but I think he will turn it around this year being cast in a different role. And hes the kind of guy Giants fans should root for
Good post and I agree  
PatersonPlank : 5/7/2021 12:08 pm : link
Can't wait to see what Barkley does behind an average NFL line
I commend you courage in re-watching all our 2020 games.  
Marty in Albany : 5/7/2021 12:10 pm : link
You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din.

Great write-up. I think there's hope for the coming season.
We’ve made it almost an hour with no  
eric2425ny : 5/7/2021 12:12 pm : link
negative comments lol. Did bw and Terps sleep in today?
Excellent post  
SleepyOwl : 5/7/2021 12:13 pm : link
That was a great summary of the season.

-The addition of Adoree Jackson is understated by many people in the media. You are absolutely right; teams just kept targeting CB2 all game long.



Great read, Dnew  
FranknWeezer : 5/7/2021 12:13 pm : link
I'm curious why you aren't convinced Golladay can be a true #1 WR.
Nice analysis and post. I haven't re-watched the season, but I did  
Mellowmood92 : 5/7/2021 12:15 pm : link
watch a lot of games on delay or after the game had concluded (and I knew the outcome), so I was able to take some of the emotion out of it, the way you did watching it a second time through.

My biggest take-aways to reinforce some of your points, were:

1. The lack of talent, mostly at the skill positions on offense. The RB stats with a bunch of JAGS, was 1200 yards and 10 TD's, not including Jones rushing stats. I think your projection on what Saquon can do behind the line is spot on. The WR's were AWFUL last year. The lack of separation was startling, particularly when Shep wasn't playing. I am really excited about the additions at the skill positions, and what that can mean for Barkley and Engram.

2. Jones has all the tools to be a top half quarterback if he can improve his pocket awareness and recognize pressure earlier. Your comparison to Eli is a good one, but Eli for the first 3/4 of his career was consistently one of the least sacked QB's in the league - #1 because he had a really good o-line beginning in 2005 & #2 he was never afraid to throw the ball away. The improved line play should help Jones, but he's got to get rid of the ball quicker and be able to recognize pressure. I know that's a big question, but I think that's genuinely all it will take to make him a top tier QB.

3. The defense was extremely well coached and they tackled really well. With the added talent and if they can stay healthy, I believe they enter the season as a top 10 defense with the potential to be top 5. They generated a lot of coverage sacks (particularly against Seattle), and I think that will also improve this year with some healthy edge players and new additions.

4. I expect to see better performance from special teams, particularly in the return and coverage games. I think both Riley and Gano played well, but Dion Lewis was a liability in the return game. I think a lot of the off-season additions address special teams, particularly in the return game.

I, for one, am very excited for this season. Particularly after the draft - which I think they hit out of the park.
Fantastic post..  
Sean : 5/7/2021 12:16 pm : link
I really enjoyed that. Especially encouraging about the o-line. The Rams game does seem like a bit of a turning point in how the unit played.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/7/2021 12:23 pm : link
Good post & glad you're feeling better. That said, I just don't see it with Engram.
echoing everyone else but great post  
Eric on Li : 5/7/2021 12:27 pm : link
also think a few under the radar comments you made are dead on re the receivers - that Golladay isn't a true #1 and Slayton mostly feasts on JAGs. Golladay may be a go to guy but there's a difference. While very good, I don't think he has the capability to do what Diggs and Hopkins did last year for Allen and Murray. And Slayton imo is a 1 trick pony. His speed deep can threaten anyone but against good physical CBs he just can't seem to maintain body position on any other kind of route.

I was a big proponent of adding either of the 2 bama WRs and having not really had a chance at either, a week later I am very glad they added Toney because I think he may not be that far off either one and is kind of a hybrid of their 2 styles in the first place. I'm also glad they added Rudolph. Their complement of weapons is now legitimately strong and if Barkley comes back as his old self that's the cherry on top.
RE: RE: Nice writeup  
Dr. D : 5/7/2021 12:32 pm : link
In comment 15257526 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 15257523 River Mike said:


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and maybe I think it's nice because it reflects my own feelings and evaluation. I agree with everything you said. I have a lot of optimism going into this fall.



Agree with this. This write up is much closer to my own memory of the season.

Same for me.

I haven't been this optimistic about the Giants in a LONG time.
Well written…  
State Your Name : 5/7/2021 12:33 pm : link
Thanks!!
Outstanding post; thanks.  
Lines of Scrimmage : 5/7/2021 12:36 pm : link
Some of the points you make shows the Giants CS and FO agreed with you. Added WR's, TE (red zone), CB. This biggest thing you pointed out was the OL. Not sure SB goes for 1700 but he definitely would have broke a few. The other thing is teams will have to account for that defensively with SB which will help the WR's.
Thanks so much dnew  
cosmicj : 5/7/2021 12:37 pm : link
Hope you are recovering smoothly.
RE: We’ve made it almost an hour with no  
Dr. D : 5/7/2021 12:40 pm : link
In comment 15257568 eric2425ny said:
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negative comments lol. Did bw and Terps sleep in today?

Good one. Except now you made a negative comment! You blew it! Lol.
RE: Great read, Dnew  
Dr. D : 5/7/2021 12:42 pm : link
In comment 15257571 FranknWeezer said:
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I'm curious why you aren't convinced Golladay can be a true #1 WR.

I think he meant Slayton is no #1 and will therefore benefit from having Golladay across from him.
RE: Great read, Dnew  
Rjanyg : 5/7/2021 12:45 pm : link
In comment 15257571 FranknWeezer said:
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I'm curious why you aren't convinced Golladay can be a true #1 WR.


I think he was refering to Slayton.

Great write up BTW and agree this team played hard last year and this offseason brought in a good amount of talent and depth. If Barkley comes back healthy I see great things in store for 2021!
RE: RE: Great read, Dnew  
Dr. D : 5/7/2021 12:46 pm : link
In comment 15257595 Rjanyg said:
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In comment 15257571 FranknWeezer said:


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I'm curious why you aren't convinced Golladay can be a true #1 WR.



I think he was refering to Slayton.

Great write up BTW and agree this team played hard last year and this offseason brought in a good amount of talent and depth. If Barkley comes back healthy I see great things in store for 2021!

Great post and glad you're over covid
meant above post to be  
Dr. D : 5/7/2021 12:47 pm : link
directly to Dnew15
I don't think Dnew  
Dr. D : 5/7/2021 12:53 pm : link
meant Golladay isn't a #1. I don't really understand how anyone can think that, considering just in 2019 he led the league in TDs, was #7 in yards and #3 in YAC. I don't know of #2 WRs that do that. He's more of a #1 than Plaxico was when we got him (Hines Ward was Pitt's #1 at the time).

If Golladay's not a #1, what the heck is the definition of a #1?
Terrific post  
Daniel in MI : 5/7/2021 12:56 pm : link
My sense watching our team vs others last year was jealousy other teams could have guys get open. Giants WRs were wearing defenders as a coat most of the time. YAC? Ha.

It wasn’t just that we lacked home run hitters. It was that we had a team of players that could only bunt and hit bloop singles.

I also felt the OL settled down. Those first 4 games WERE like preseason. We played like it. They had no cohesion, we had a rookie at LT and a new C. They had a lot to work out. Colombo might have also been an issue. Unclear if he got canned for bad teaching or being against the rotation of OL players (which was certainly not a norm). When we changed the blocking to more duo (power) we did a lot better.

On EE, that’s my frustration with him. He’s not bad per se. He has tools. He can make great plays. He can get open. He’s just felt like a coach killer because he also Fs up at the worst times.

I’m excited to see what may come after a regular off season.
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