We're in the market for a QB next draft. While I think DJ will be better this season, I question whether he will take a necessarily large enough step where he solidifies himself beyond next season. We are getting into 5th year option and new contract territory here.
If the improvements are merely modest, say 3,000-3,500 yards and 25 TDs, 15 INTs, I think we have to cut bait.
Given the direction the game is moving, he's a player to keep an eye on. But, the projection to the NFL is even harder because he's not playing against top competition at Liberty. Right now, there's no QB catching my eye.
When do the Giants need to decide on DJ's 5th year option? That's a big decision point.
Given the direction the game is moving, he's a player to keep an eye on. But, the projection to the NFL is even harder because he's not playing against top competition at Liberty. Right now, there's no QB catching my eye.
When do the Giants need to decide on DJ's 5th year option? That's a big decision point.
The irony here, is that 2019 wasn't supposed to be a good year for QB's either.
That said, I can see DJ taking a big leap forward. Most of the offensive line is in a much different place than the beginning of last season.
We're in the market for a QB next draft. While I think DJ will be better this season, I question whether he will take a necessarily large enough step where he solidifies himself beyond next season. We are getting into 5th year option and new contract territory here.
If the improvements are merely modest, say 3,000-3,500 yards and 25 TDs, 15 INTs, I think we have to cut bait.
I have my doubts as well but those numbers may still keep him around. You don't just draft another one out of need if a clear upgrade is not available. Hopefully Jones play is good enough that with a very strong D, coaching staff and running game they can win the division. I think for the next two years in the East that will be enough and the Giants currently have those components.
is due a year from now. 2021 is a huge year for NYG, but I suspect gets the 5th year.
no way should they even consider paying him 19M for his 5th year. he has to be legit good for a full season for them before that even becomes a thought
jones on the open market would get how much? 10-12M at most?
Selections whatsoever. Garrett Wilson won’t go that low, and neither will Olave. Zach Harrison is a better player than Aidan Hutchison, and I doubt we’re going OT that high again. This is just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. Also the fact that David Bell, WR from Purdue is not in the first rd is a flat out crime, he could very well end up being WR1 once this is all said and done, he’s that got damn good.
is due a year from now. 2021 is a huge year for NYG, but I suspect gets the 5th year.
no way should they even consider paying him 19M for his 5th year. he has to be legit good for a full season for them before that even becomes a thought
jones on the open market would get how much? 10-12M at most?
Many said the same thing about Barkley, especially after the ACL. But, his 5th year option was already picked up. Giants tend to operate very conservatively and give their guys every last chance.
If it were me, I'd move on if he doesn't play well this season. There's a lot to like about DJ, but the negatives are the types that lose football games and tend to not markedly improve at the NFL level.
I have a hard time seeing Judge wanting to stick with Jones after two subpar seasons. He didn't draft Jones... he's not connected to him the way Gettleman is.
This division is not strong, a lot of money was spent. The team finished 5-3 last year & a very encouraging coaching staff. Finishing 7-10 would be a huge failure.
Selections whatsoever. Garrett Wilson won’t go that low, and neither will Olave. Zach Harrison is a better player than Aidan Hutchison, and I doubt we’re going OT that high again. This is just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. Also the fact that David Bell, WR from Purdue is not in the first rd is a flat out crime, he could very well end up being WR1 once this is all said and done, he’s that got damn good.
That's what McShay is paid to do... ;)
But you are the second person I have heard say Bell is the real deal for Purdue. I didn't catch one Purdue game last year, but I did see Bell picked up the slack quite nicely when Moore wasn't playing...
is due a year from now. 2021 is a huge year for NYG, but I suspect gets the 5th year.
no way should they even consider paying him 19M for his 5th year. he has to be legit good for a full season for them before that even becomes a thought
jones on the open market would get how much? 10-12M at most?
Many said the same thing about Barkley, especially after the ACL. But, his 5th year option was already picked up. Giants tend to operate very conservatively and give their guys every last chance.
If it were me, I'd move on if he doesn't play well this season. There's a lot to like about DJ, but the negatives are the types that lose football games and tend to not markedly improve at the NFL level.
barkley's 5th year is a paycut from what he's making now. that was part of the issue with drafting him so high would his relative cap value to other RBs. if barkley were to hit the market after this upcoming year, he'd be making more than he would on his 5th year option. i don't think the same can be said for jones
with QBs it's different and the only good thing jones has going for him is his rookie deal is cheap. the 5th year option becomes not so cheap
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If the improvements are merely modest, say 3,000-3,500 yards and 25 TDs, 15 INTs, I think we have to cut bait.
Who was picked where?
Who was picked where?
From what I’ve read up on Hutchinson, he plays a lot like Kwity Paye and had similar responsibilities.
He has Giants picking 8th and Giants via CHI picking 9th.
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the only one who has to potential to not be a scrub in the pros is the liberty kid and possibly the oklahoma kid. the rest are just not pro QBs
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i like willis so sign me up for this
The converse is that if they don’t pick this high, they likely have worse picks but have solidified their QB and answered their questions.
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i like willis so sign me up for this
Given the direction the game is moving, he's a player to keep an eye on. But, the projection to the NFL is even harder because he's not playing against top competition at Liberty. Right now, there's no QB catching my eye.
When do the Giants need to decide on DJ's 5th year option? That's a big decision point.
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i like willis so sign me up for this
Given the direction the game is moving, he's a player to keep an eye on. But, the projection to the NFL is even harder because he's not playing against top competition at Liberty. Right now, there's no QB catching my eye.
When do the Giants need to decide on DJ's 5th year option? That's a big decision point.
The irony here, is that 2019 wasn't supposed to be a good year for QB's either.
That said, I can see DJ taking a big leap forward. Most of the offensive line is in a much different place than the beginning of last season.
If the improvements are merely modest, say 3,000-3,500 yards and 25 TDs, 15 INTs, I think we have to cut bait.
I have my doubts as well but those numbers may still keep him around. You don't just draft another one out of need if a clear upgrade is not available. Hopefully Jones play is good enough that with a very strong D, coaching staff and running game they can win the division. I think for the next two years in the East that will be enough and the Giants currently have those components.
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If we're picking that high we'll almost certainly be picking a quarterback.
. Agree with this, except that if the prospects suck, maybe they parlay the picks into a vet QB.
The converse is that if they don’t pick this high, they likely have worse picks but have solidified their QB and answered their questions.
that didn't stop them from picking jones at 6
Agreed, no way they are sticking with Jones if they are picking in the top 10 again.
no way should they even consider paying him 19M for his 5th year. he has to be legit good for a full season for them before that even becomes a thought
jones on the open market would get how much? 10-12M at most?
At the end of the college season most draftnik's boards will not look anything like this. They never do.
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is due a year from now. 2021 is a huge year for NYG, but I suspect gets the 5th year.
no way should they even consider paying him 19M for his 5th year. he has to be legit good for a full season for them before that even becomes a thought
jones on the open market would get how much? 10-12M at most?
Many said the same thing about Barkley, especially after the ACL. But, his 5th year option was already picked up. Giants tend to operate very conservatively and give their guys every last chance.
If it were me, I'd move on if he doesn't play well this season. There's a lot to like about DJ, but the negatives are the types that lose football games and tend to not markedly improve at the NFL level.
That's what McShay is paid to do... ;)
But you are the second person I have heard say Bell is the real deal for Purdue. I didn't catch one Purdue game last year, but I did see Bell picked up the slack quite nicely when Moore wasn't playing...
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is due a year from now. 2021 is a huge year for NYG, but I suspect gets the 5th year.
no way should they even consider paying him 19M for his 5th year. he has to be legit good for a full season for them before that even becomes a thought
jones on the open market would get how much? 10-12M at most?
Many said the same thing about Barkley, especially after the ACL. But, his 5th year option was already picked up. Giants tend to operate very conservatively and give their guys every last chance.
If it were me, I'd move on if he doesn't play well this season. There's a lot to like about DJ, but the negatives are the types that lose football games and tend to not markedly improve at the NFL level.
barkley's 5th year is a paycut from what he's making now. that was part of the issue with drafting him so high would his relative cap value to other RBs. if barkley were to hit the market after this upcoming year, he'd be making more than he would on his 5th year option. i don't think the same can be said for jones
with QBs it's different and the only good thing jones has going for him is his rookie deal is cheap. the 5th year option becomes not so cheap
"Trader Dave" trades back from both picks, stockpiling 2023 and 2024 first rounders.
By the time the 2024 draft happens, the Giants have 6 of the first 10 picks in round 1.
:-)
Bears. Thinking top 12