It may be that the addition of Toney, Golliday and and Rudolph will allow Jones to throw for more yards and touchdowns, but they say that a QB's best friend is a good running game. I am still in the camp that would have liked to see them add a better guard than Zach Fulton. Hope I am wrong.
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Can they pass block well enough? That the question....
Can they pass block well enough? That the question....
I wonder if due to covid they actually got a year in an NFL weight room. I know they are skipping optional workouts now
Having Barkley back AND a good WR corp will help Jones tremendously.
Doesn't mean that it is unfortunate that the OL was not given a bit more attention this offseason.
Peart looked substantially bigger in the right places....very impressive.
I suspect similar results for the other rookies....
OL in college with school, practice etc...end up having trouble keeping weight on....
an NFL off-season...on site or not....all they do is workout gaining good weight, usually.
When you have great weapons and a mobile QB, an average oline is helped out and will look better than it is.
The reality is you can't have everything, in a salary cap, be great.
We need the oline to not allow the d in the backfield at the snap. We need just decent wholes for Barkley. Jones needs to be able to go through more than 1 read without getting smacked from the blindside or from a stunt. With great weapons, 3 reads may be good enough but maybe he doesnt get to stand back there for 5 receivers.
They might still have hope to sign for more dollars....but the musical chairs have stopped....and too many players are left without a chair.
Players will start signing with teams at vet. minimum soon...vet. guards missing years is not good for them
My only concern/question, is why did the offensive line play so much better with McCoy as the starter? I don’t think McCoy is the better qb by a long shot, but the offense was much cleaner with him in the lineup.
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then he is beyond anyone's help, he is what he is, and we are in the market for a qb before we waste everything else that has been assembled.
Heaven forbid the Jones crowd miss an opportunity to say the same thing over and over and over.
Yeah, it never gets old. I mean, it never gets new.
Giants did plenty to help DJ. If he doesn't get it done this year, stop with the excuses.
Seems like there are some that believe that OLinemen can come in as a rookie and be great and if they don’t they should be replaced because clearly they are not the answer.
My only concern/question, is why did the offensive line play so much better with McCoy as the starter? I don’t think McCoy is the better qb by a long shot, but the offense was much cleaner with him in the lineup.
Two reasons might be that 1) it was the 2nd half of a season that lacked preseason games, and 2-3 starters were rookies, and 2) with McCoy as QB, Garrett called more running and fewer passing plays. We're better run blocking than pass blocking.
They might still have hope to sign for more dollars....but the musical chairs have stopped....and too many players are left without a chair.
Players will start signing with teams at vet. minimum soon...vet. guards missing years is not good for them
Who are a few of the best available Guards?
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There are still a ton of unsigned quality FA guards.
They might still have hope to sign for more dollars....but the musical chairs have stopped....and too many players are left without a chair.
Players will start signing with teams at vet. minimum soon...vet. guards missing years is not good for them
Who are a few of the best available Guards?
This is the problem. Who? They signed who they believe was a good addition and though someone new may shake loose that’s speculation. That someone would have to be better than what they have to be worth signing and be cheap enough to afford. Who knows if that will happen. I have my doubts.
and better quality weapons but, but if they don't improve on the pass blocking it is going to be all running plays and screen passes.
We will see.
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In the 2nd half of the season, especially Thomas.
My only concern/question, is why did the offensive line play so much better with McCoy as the starter? I don’t think McCoy is the better qb by a long shot, but the offense was much cleaner with him in the lineup.
Two reasons might be that 1) it was the 2nd half of a season that lacked preseason games, and 2-3 starters were rookies, and 2) with McCoy as QB, Garrett called more running and fewer passing plays. We're better run blocking than pass blocking.
I agree and think the OL would've looked better in the 2nd half of season with Jones also, if it wasn't for his injury. He was severely hobbled for the AZ and Baltimore games.
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Think about it.
You will see Toney split out to one side.
Golladay split out on the other side.
Slayton out there somewhere.
Engram threatening to run seam routes from TE
And Barkley lining up wherever.
If you are the DC or wearing the helmet calling defensive signals who are you going to double or focus on?
Get a little motion going on the O and the defenses we see could end up running around like chickens with their heads cut off.
I can see Danny Boy throwing quick type passes over the middle or smoke screens to the boundaries.
If all else fails our QB can fake a handoff to Barkley and run around the end on a Run option for mega yardage.
Quick hitting plays to our multitude of weapons and roll outs for our mobile qb should effectively mitigate any planned blitzes or pass rush.
I am not worried about our interior OL.
Defensive coordinators should be worried about our weaponry
Give this staff a shot. They have more faith in the young players than fans do. Last year was mess of a preseason. They invested heavily in Oline coaching for a reason.
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There are still a ton of unsigned quality FA guards.
They might still have hope to sign for more dollars....but the musical chairs have stopped....and too many players are left without a chair.
Players will start signing with teams at vet. minimum soon...vet. guards missing years is not good for them
Who are a few of the best available Guards?
This is the problem. Who? They signed who they believe was a good addition and though someone new may shake loose that’s speculation. That someone would have to be better than what they have to be worth signing and be cheap enough to afford. Who knows if that will happen. I have my doubts.
I don't know who which is why I asked.
Poster said there are a ton of unsigned quality Guards...who?
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it could run block. I salivated to watch Barkley run through the holes Gallman was given.....add a year in an NFL weight room.....I suspect, the running game will be most improved.
Can they pass block well enough? That the question....
I wonder if due to covid they actually got a year in an NFL weight room. I know they are skipping optional workouts now
Weights are weights. They have access to an NFL training program even if they're being asked to do some of it remotely (which most players do during the offseason anyway).
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There are still a ton of unsigned quality FA guards.
I don't know who which is why I asked.
Poster said there are a ton of unsigned quality Guards...who?
Which is pretty typical of these kind of posts, no? “Ton of unsigned quality FA guards.” Sure because he said so and the Giants don’t realize that and the rest of the league doesn’t need quality FA guards. They’re just waiting for us to take our pick of them before they sign theirs. ???
Poster said there are a ton of unsigned quality Guards...who?
Which is pretty typical of these kind of posts, no? “Ton of unsigned quality FA guards.” Sure because he said so and the Giants don’t realize that and the rest of the league doesn’t need quality FA guards. They’re just waiting for us to take our pick of them before they sign theirs. ???
See for yourselves, you imgrates!
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then he is beyond anyone's help, he is what he is, and we are in the market for a qb before we waste everything else that has been assembled.
Heaven forbid the Jones crowd miss an opportunity to say the same thing over and over and over.
Much to the chagrin of the "anti Jones crowd" the Giants will likely see enough to pick up his option. Only after that we will see him become what he is. I believe that he will be a top ten QB in the league and an occasional pro bowler who ends up winning us many more games than he loses for us. He might even win us a Super Bowl and earn MVP of the game.
Why so many of you would rather see the opposite is just bizarre.
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In the 2nd half of the season, especially Thomas.
My only concern/question, is why did the offensive line play so much better with McCoy as the starter? I don’t think McCoy is the better qb by a long shot, but the offense was much cleaner with him in the lineup.
Two reasons might be that 1) it was the 2nd half of a season that lacked preseason games, and 2-3 starters were rookies, and 2) with McCoy as QB, Garrett called more running and fewer passing plays. We're better run blocking than pass blocking.
Yeah, it was noticeable how much more conservative the gamelan became when McCoy came in, which begs the question, why weren’t they more conservative with Jones?
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Why so many of you would rather see the opposite is just bizarre.
Posters liek you are so odd. What makes you think any Giant fan wants to SEE the tema fail?
It is just so odd that some fo you who think that anyone that disagrees with you it must mean they want the Giants to lose?
Why is it so hard for some of you to grasp that the world isn't built around your opinion? We can want the Giants to win but are fearful that the team won't win that much. After all - Vegas has odds right now for Giants ot win 7 games.
You have a great opportunity to be a mega-millionaire by going with the over then, right? If you don't then maybe I can twist a conversation to suggesting that you are one of those posters to lose because you're unwilling to prove that the team is going to be so good? All it takes is an 8-9 season. If you aren't as confident as other posters then IT MUST MEAN that you want the Giants to lose (sarcasm).
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then he is beyond anyone's help, he is what he is, and we are in the market for a qb before we waste everything else that has been assembled.
Heaven forbid the Jones crowd miss an opportunity to say the same thing over and over and over.
Its unreal. Hopefully he will play well boners like Homer, bw and Googs will STFU.
Actually they wont. They will compare his good numbers with any other QB drafted lower than he was drafted and start yapping about him being a reach.
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Why so many of you would rather see the opposite is just bizarre.
Posters liek you are so odd. What makes you think any Giant fan wants to SEE the tema fail?
It is just so odd that some fo you who think that anyone that disagrees with you it must mean they want the Giants to lose?
Why is it so hard for some of you to grasp that the world isn't built around your opinion? We can want the Giants to win but are fearful that the team won't win that much. After all - Vegas has odds right now for Giants ot win 7 games.
You have a great opportunity to be a mega-millionaire by going with the over then, right? If you don't then maybe I can twist a conversation to suggesting that you are one of those posters to lose because you're unwilling to prove that the team is going to be so good? All it takes is an 8-9 season. If you aren't as confident as other posters then IT MUST MEAN that you want the Giants to lose (sarcasm).
Its been discussed around here...there are posters who would rather be correct about a hastily contrived opinion by poor performance from the team than reverse their course and admit they were talking out of their ass.
They also got a lot of playmakers on defense, and signed LW, which means that Jones really only needs to be a game manager for the Giants to compete in most games. The truth about Jones at this point is that we’re all really mostly hoping he stops being a turnover machine and that he can stay health enough to avoid starting the backup. If he doesn’t have enough help this season the next thing the Giants will do to help will be to find someone who can replace him.
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Its been discussed around here...there are posters who would rather be correct about a hastily contrived opinion by poor performance from the team than reverse their course and admit they were talking out of their ass.
Which posters can you identify that would rather see their team lose than be wrong on here?
"Being discussed around here" does not mean the discussion had any validity.
So who are the posters?
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Its been discussed around here...there are posters who would rather be correct about a hastily contrived opinion by poor performance from the team than reverse their course and admit they were talking out of their ass.
Which posters can you identify that would rather see their team lose than be wrong on here?
"Being discussed around here" does not mean the discussion had any validity.
So who are the posters?
Ive already mentiined 2 of them on here. Another one pretty blatant about boasting how he os always right despite never attesting to when he overplays his hand. However, recently, he has shown himself to be a lot more in favor of Jones being successful. Im not sure why, but his opinion of Jones the QB and mine have gotten a lot closer to being aligned than previously.
agreed and with plenty of draft capital next year they can draft reinforcements to the line if the kids fall flat this year
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Its been discussed around here...there are posters who would rather be correct about a hastily contrived opinion by poor performance from the team than reverse their course and admit they were talking out of their ass.
Which posters can you identify that would rather see their team lose than be wrong on here?
"Being discussed around here" does not mean the discussion had any validity.
So who are the posters?
Just check any game thread from last yr.
They also got a lot of playmakers on defense, and signed LW, which means that Jones really only needs to be a game manager for the Giants to compete in most games. The truth about Jones at this point is that we’re all really mostly hoping he stops being a turnover machine and that he can stay health enough to avoid starting the backup. If he doesn’t have enough help this season the next thing the Giants will do to help will be to find someone who can replace him.
I would have taken Sage Surratt over Rodarius Williams since Williams feels like a redundancy while we don't have any redundancies at X-type wide receiver should Golladay go down. Also, I would have taken another running back over Gary Brightwell, just not sure who. Brightwell's not a particularly good pass catcher or protector; if he's going to be a third-down back to catch passes out of the backfield or pick up the blitz, he'd be the wrong choice; dropped 5 out of 13 targets and allowed 4 out of 44 pressures.
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then he is beyond anyone's help, he is what he is, and we are in the market for a qb before we waste everything else that has been assembled.
Heaven forbid the Jones crowd miss an opportunity to say the same thing over and over and over.
Its unreal. Hopefully he will play well boners like Homer, bw and Googs will STFU.
Actually they wont. They will compare his good numbers with any other QB drafted lower than he was drafted and start yapping about him being a reach.
Hahaha oh man you guys can't help yourselves. GT, BW, and Googs have not posted in this thread and yet here you are talking about them.
Maybe they're not the reason threads get derailed.
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then he is beyond anyone's help, he is what he is, and we are in the market for a qb before we waste everything else that has been assembled.
Heaven forbid the Jones crowd miss an opportunity to say the same thing over and over and over.
Its unreal. Hopefully he will play well boners like Homer, bw and Googs will STFU.
Actually they wont. They will compare his good numbers with any other QB drafted lower than he was drafted and start yapping about him being a reach.
Hahaha oh man you guys can't help yourselves. GT, BW, and Googs have not posted in this thread and yet here you are talking about them.
Maybe they're not the reason threads get derailed.
Maybe look again stupid.
Also, there is probably a good enough reason for them not to after getting preemptively called out.
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Realistically, what else could possibly have been done to help Jones? Maybe drafting Rashawn? But then you don’t have KT to make plays. He got the best available FA to play X, he got KT to make plays from the backfield or slot or y or anywhere else, Barks is coming back, EE wasn’t traded he got Rudolph, Sheps back they signed Ross for occasional speed shots down field. Seriously, what else could the Giants have done to enable Jones?
They also got a lot of playmakers on defense, and signed LW, which means that Jones really only needs to be a game manager for the Giants to compete in most games. The truth about Jones at this point is that we’re all really mostly hoping he stops being a turnover machine and that he can stay health enough to avoid starting the backup. If he doesn’t have enough help this season the next thing the Giants will do to help will be to find someone who can replace him.
I would have taken Sage Surratt over Rodarius Williams since Williams feels like a redundancy while we don't have any redundancies at X-type wide receiver should Golladay go down. Also, I would have taken another running back over Gary Brightwell, just not sure who. Brightwell's not a particularly good pass catcher or protector; if he's going to be a third-down back to catch passes out of the backfield or pick up the blitz, he'd be the wrong choice; dropped 5 out of 13 targets and allowed 4 out of 44 pressures.
Brightwell may turn out to be the RB equivalent of David Tyree - a real asset on Special Teams, but an infrequent contributor on offense (unless, of course, the Giants make it back to the Super Bowl, God willing). He wasn't drafted to be a 3rd down back, although with his size he might become serviceable in short-yardage situations.
As for Rodarius Williams...can you ever have enough CB's? The way the game is played now, probably not. I liked Sage Surratt, too, but clearly the league didn't think too much of him since he went undrafted. And, honestly, is there anything that he can do that a healthy David Sills or Dante Pettis can't?
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Realistically, what else could possibly have been done to help Jones? Maybe drafting Rashawn? But then you don’t have KT to make plays. He got the best available FA to play X, he got KT to make plays from the backfield or slot or y or anywhere else, Barks is coming back, EE wasn’t traded he got Rudolph, Sheps back they signed Ross for occasional speed shots down field. Seriously, what else could the Giants have done to enable Jones?
They also got a lot of playmakers on defense, and signed LW, which means that Jones really only needs to be a game manager for the Giants to compete in most games. The truth about Jones at this point is that we’re all really mostly hoping he stops being a turnover machine and that he can stay health enough to avoid starting the backup. If he doesn’t have enough help this season the next thing the Giants will do to help will be to find someone who can replace him.
I would have taken Sage Surratt over Rodarius Williams since Williams feels like a redundancy while we don't have any redundancies at X-type wide receiver should Golladay go down. Also, I would have taken another running back over Gary Brightwell, just not sure who. Brightwell's not a particularly good pass catcher or protector; if he's going to be a third-down back to catch passes out of the backfield or pick up the blitz, he'd be the wrong choice; dropped 5 out of 13 targets and allowed 4 out of 44 pressures.
Brightwell may turn out to be the RB equivalent of David Tyree - a real asset on Special Teams, but an infrequent contributor on offense (unless, of course, the Giants make it back to the Super Bowl, God willing). He wasn't drafted to be a 3rd down back, although with his size he might become serviceable in short-yardage situations.
As for Rodarius Williams...can you ever have enough CB's? The way the game is played now, probably not. I liked Sage Surratt, too, but clearly the league didn't think too much of him since he went undrafted. And, honestly, is there anything that he can do that a healthy David Sills or Dante Pettis can't?
I don't know what Sills can do considering he broke his foot before the season opened.
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Realistically, what else could possibly have been done to help Jones? Maybe drafting Rashawn? But then you don’t have KT to make plays. He got the best available FA to play X, he got KT to make plays from the backfield or slot or y or anywhere else, Barks is coming back, EE wasn’t traded he got Rudolph, Sheps back they signed Ross for occasional speed shots down field. Seriously, what else could the Giants have done to enable Jones?
They also got a lot of playmakers on defense, and signed LW, which means that Jones really only needs to be a game manager for the Giants to compete in most games. The truth about Jones at this point is that we’re all really mostly hoping he stops being a turnover machine and that he can stay health enough to avoid starting the backup. If he doesn’t have enough help this season the next thing the Giants will do to help will be to find someone who can replace him.
I would have taken Sage Surratt over Rodarius Williams since Williams feels like a redundancy while we don't have any redundancies at X-type wide receiver should Golladay go down. Also, I would have taken another running back over Gary Brightwell, just not sure who. Brightwell's not a particularly good pass catcher or protector; if he's going to be a third-down back to catch passes out of the backfield or pick up the blitz, he'd be the wrong choice; dropped 5 out of 13 targets and allowed 4 out of 44 pressures.
Brightwell may turn out to be the RB equivalent of David Tyree - a real asset on Special Teams, but an infrequent contributor on offense (unless, of course, the Giants make it back to the Super Bowl, God willing). He wasn't drafted to be a 3rd down back, although with his size he might become serviceable in short-yardage situations.
As for Rodarius Williams...can you ever have enough CB's? The way the game is played now, probably not. I liked Sage Surratt, too, but clearly the league didn't think too much of him since he went undrafted. And, honestly, is there anything that he can do that a healthy David Sills or Dante Pettis can't?
I don't know what Sills can do considering he broke his foot before the season opened.
You can compare his college stats to Sage Surratt's, and note that I said a healthy David Sills.
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Realistically, what else could possibly have been done to help Jones? Maybe drafting Rashawn? But then you don’t have KT to make plays. He got the best available FA to play X, he got KT to make plays from the backfield or slot or y or anywhere else, Barks is coming back, EE wasn’t traded he got Rudolph, Sheps back they signed Ross for occasional speed shots down field. Seriously, what else could the Giants have done to enable Jones?
They also got a lot of playmakers on defense, and signed LW, which means that Jones really only needs to be a game manager for the Giants to compete in most games. The truth about Jones at this point is that we’re all really mostly hoping he stops being a turnover machine and that he can stay health enough to avoid starting the backup. If he doesn’t have enough help this season the next thing the Giants will do to help will be to find someone who can replace him.
I would have taken Sage Surratt over Rodarius Williams since Williams feels like a redundancy while we don't have any redundancies at X-type wide receiver should Golladay go down. Also, I would have taken another running back over Gary Brightwell, just not sure who. Brightwell's not a particularly good pass catcher or protector; if he's going to be a third-down back to catch passes out of the backfield or pick up the blitz, he'd be the wrong choice; dropped 5 out of 13 targets and allowed 4 out of 44 pressures.
Brightwell may turn out to be the RB equivalent of David Tyree - a real asset on Special Teams, but an infrequent contributor on offense (unless, of course, the Giants make it back to the Super Bowl, God willing). He wasn't drafted to be a 3rd down back, although with his size he might become serviceable in short-yardage situations.
As for Rodarius Williams...can you ever have enough CB's? The way the game is played now, probably not. I liked Sage Surratt, too, but clearly the league didn't think too much of him since he went undrafted. And, honestly, is there anything that he can do that a healthy David Sills or Dante Pettis can't?
I don't know what Sills can do considering he broke his foot before the season opened.
You can compare his college stats to Sage Surratt's, and note that I said a healthy David Sills.
I see your point.
To say the least: impressive. Most impressive.
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then he is beyond anyone's help, he is what he is, and we are in the market for a qb before we waste everything else that has been assembled.
Heaven forbid the Jones crowd miss an opportunity to say the same thing over and over and over.
Its unreal. Hopefully he will play well boners like Homer, bw and Googs will STFU.
Actually they wont. They will compare his good numbers with any other QB drafted lower than he was drafted and start yapping about him being a reach.
Hahaha oh man you guys can't help yourselves. GT, BW, and Googs have not posted in this thread and yet here you are talking about them.
Maybe they're not the reason threads get derailed.
Maybe look again stupid.
Also, there is probably a good enough reason for them not to after getting preemptively called out.
i missed Googs post. Either way you bitch about them when they post and bitch about them when they don't
One major lesson of Super Bowl, even with an explosive offense like the Chiefs - if your OL can't get the job done...
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then he is beyond anyone's help, he is what he is, and we are in the market for a qb before we waste everything else that has been assembled.
Heaven forbid the Jones crowd miss an opportunity to say the same thing over and over and over.
Its unreal. Hopefully he will play well boners like Homer, bw and Googs will STFU.
Actually they wont. They will compare his good numbers with any other QB drafted lower than he was drafted and start yapping about him being a reach.
Hahaha oh man you guys can't help yourselves. GT, BW, and Googs have not posted in this thread and yet here you are talking about them.
Maybe they're not the reason threads get derailed.
Maybe look again stupid.
Also, there is probably a good enough reason for them not to after getting preemptively called out.
i missed Googs post. Either way you bitch about them when they post and bitch about them when they don't
Yeah, I asked what free agents Guards were still available. Quite a landmine.
Scooter - he’s just looking for some attention. The NFT thread guys must be ignoring him so he come he looking to take a few cheap shots.
Preemptively called out? Ha, more like stalking...
They might still have hope to sign for more dollars....but the musical chairs have stopped....and too many players are left without a chair.
Players will start signing with teams at vet. minimum soon...vet. guards missing years is not good for them
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Poster said there are a ton of unsigned quality Guards...who?
Which is pretty typical of these kind of posts, no? “Ton of unsigned quality FA guards.” Sure because he said so and the Giants don’t realize that and the rest of the league doesn’t need quality FA guards. They’re just waiting for us to take our pick of them before they sign theirs. ???
See for yourselves, you imgrates!
If everyone doubts this coaching staff can develop that type of youth, why the hell do they think bringing in more mid round rookies is going to drastically improve the position group? They already doubt they can evaluate and develop the guys already here.
The conversation is getting mind numbing. Once FA was over and they didn't go OL in rounds 1 and 2, there was nothing worth reaching for to improve what you already have. Let the coaches coach. If you have doubts they can do that, great might as well tear it down again because if they can't get competent OL play out of the high drafted talent from 2020 in YEAR 2, you have the wrong staff.
If everyone doubts this coaching staff can develop that type of youth, why the hell do they think bringing in more mid round rookies is going to drastically improve the position group? They already doubt they can evaluate and develop the guys already here.
The conversation is getting mind numbing. Once FA was over and they didn't go OL in rounds 1 and 2, there was nothing worth reaching for to improve what you already have. Let the coaches coach. If you have doubts they can do that, great might as well tear it down again because if they can't get competent OL play out of the high drafted talent from 2020 in YEAR 2, you have the wrong staff.
Having all these young, and inexperienced OL at one time is a recipie for disaster, and that’s the Giants own fault for being this way. Should have gotten at least one decent veteran in FA, but chooses not to do so, which I think will come back, and haunt them all season. Good coaching can only take you so far, and this coaching staff hasn’t really proved they are a good coaching staff, or that there is enough talent on the O line anyways.
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Second year players, not including a guy in his second year at a new position, starting on that OL. That's incredibly young...if they don't progress then the team already has the wrong coaching staff in place and it doesn't matter who they bring in. They wouldn't have shot.
If everyone doubts this coaching staff can develop that type of youth, why the hell do they think bringing in more mid round rookies is going to drastically improve the position group? They already doubt they can evaluate and develop the guys already here.
The conversation is getting mind numbing. Once FA was over and they didn't go OL in rounds 1 and 2, there was nothing worth reaching for to improve what you already have. Let the coaches coach. If you have doubts they can do that, great might as well tear it down again because if they can't get competent OL play out of the high drafted talent from 2020 in YEAR 2, you have the wrong staff.
Having all these young, and inexperienced OL at one time is a recipie for disaster, and that’s the Giants own fault for being this way.
It could also be a recipe for continued long-term success as these players mature together and learn to play as a cohesive unit.
They signed Zach Fulton, who had a down year last year, but was highly regarded for several years previously. Signing Fulton after losing Zeitler was a wash, in my opinion. Who would you have liked to see them sign, and at what price?
Since there are some new faces on the coaching staff - the O-Line coach, specifically, and some new offensive assistants, naturally they haven't proven anything yet. How about showing some patience and seeing what develops when practice/preseason begins?
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Second year players, not including a guy in his second year at a new position, starting on that OL. That's incredibly young...if they don't progress then the team already has the wrong coaching staff in place and it doesn't matter who they bring in. They wouldn't have shot.
If everyone doubts this coaching staff can develop that type of youth, why the hell do they think bringing in more mid round rookies is going to drastically improve the position group? They already doubt they can evaluate and develop the guys already here.
The conversation is getting mind numbing. Once FA was over and they didn't go OL in rounds 1 and 2, there was nothing worth reaching for to improve what you already have. Let the coaches coach. If you have doubts they can do that, great might as well tear it down again because if they can't get competent OL play out of the high drafted talent from 2020 in YEAR 2, you have the wrong staff.
Having all these young, and inexperienced OL at one time is a recipie for disaster, and that’s the Giants own fault for being this way.
It could also be a recipe for continued long-term success as these players mature together and learn to play as a cohesive unit.
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Should have gotten at least one decent veteran in FA, but chooses not to do so, which I think will come back, and haunt them all season.
They signed Zach Fulton, who had a down year last year, but was highly regarded for several years previously. Signing Fulton after losing Zeitler was a wash, in my opinion. Who would you have liked to see them sign, and at what price?
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Good coaching can only take you so far, and this coaching staff hasn’t really proved they are a good coaching staff, or that there is enough talent on the O line anyways.
Since there are some new faces on the coaching staff - the O-Line coach, specifically, and some new offensive assistants, naturally they haven't proven anything yet. How about showing some patience and seeing what develops when practice/preseason begins?
Four year losing streak is patient enough. What do you want 5?
That's no answer. It's just more whining. Can you post anything constructive or are you just going to continue acting like a petulant child?
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Four year losing streak is patient enough. What do you want 5?
That's no answer. It's just more whining. Can you post anything constructive or are you just going to continue acting like a petulant child?
You just think everything is roses, and cheery in Giants land, and it is not. Complaining about losing 4 years in a row is telling it like it is. Call it what you want, but losing is losing.
Four year losing streak is patient enough. What do you want 5?
That's no answer. It's just more whining. Can you post anything constructive or are you just going to continue acting like a petulant child?
You just think everything is roses, and cheery in Giants land, and it is not. Complaining about losing 4 years in a row is telling it like it is. Call it what you want, but losing is losing.
Bullshit. I'm just as worried about the O-Line as you are, but I'm not going to act like a whiny little bitch about it. I'm going to be patient and see what develops. I'm also not going to whine about the past four years, because as a famous man once said, "The past is the past." Words to live by.
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Four year losing streak is patient enough. What do you want 5?
That's no answer. It's just more whining. Can you post anything constructive or are you just going to continue acting like a petulant child?
You just think everything is roses, and cheery in Giants land, and it is not. Complaining about losing 4 years in a row is telling it like it is. Call it what you want, but losing is losing.
Bullshit. I'm just as worried about the O-Line as you are, but I'm not going to act like a whiny little bitch about it. I'm going to be patient and see what develops. I'm also not going to whine about the past four years, because as a famous man once said, "The past is the past." Words to live by.
I don’t worry about what you say, so don’t worry about what I say. EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion, and that doesn’t make me a worse fan, or you a better fan, so thanks for all the kind words, but until the Giants go at least 9-8 it doesn’t change a thing.
A lot will depend on exactly what kind of off season/camp is allowed. These guys need reps together. We need them to be at least league average, which would be a big jump.
Bullshit. I'm just as worried about the O-Line as you are, but I'm not going to act like a whiny little bitch about it. I'm going to be patient and see what develops. I'm also not going to whine about the past four years, because as a famous man once said, "The past is the past." Words to live by.
I don’t worry about what you say, so don’t worry about what I say. EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion, and that doesn’t make me a worse fan, or you a better fan, so thanks for all the kind words, but until the Giants go at least 9-8 it doesn’t change a thing.
Once again, no answer, just deflection. I never said you were a bad fan. I said you were a whiny bitch. Sure, you're entitled to your opinion, but if you're going to express that opinion by polluting numerous threads with your incessant whining...if you're not going to offer anything constructive (other than your outlandish and unrealistic proposal to trade up for Penei Sewell) and just continue to piss and moan...if you're going to dismiss out of hand the moves the Giants have made to improve their offense, in general, and their O-Line, in particular, because they don't meet your lofty expectations...then you can expect the blowback to be just as incessant.
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Bullshit. I'm just as worried about the O-Line as you are, but I'm not going to act like a whiny little bitch about it. I'm going to be patient and see what develops. I'm also not going to whine about the past four years, because as a famous man once said, "The past is the past." Words to live by.
I don’t worry about what you say, so don’t worry about what I say. EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion, and that doesn’t make me a worse fan, or you a better fan, so thanks for all the kind words, but until the Giants go at least 9-8 it doesn’t change a thing.
Once again, no answer, just deflection. I never said you were a bad fan. I said you were a whiny bitch. Sure, you're entitled to your opinion, but if you're going to express that opinion by polluting numerous threads with your incessant whining...if you're not going to offer anything constructive (other than your outlandish and unrealistic proposal to trade up for Penei Sewell) and just continue to piss and moan...if you're going to dismiss out of hand the moves the Giants have made to improve their offense, in general, and their O-Line, in particular, because they don't meet your lofty expectations...then you can expect the blowback to be just as incessant.
Once again thanks for all the kind words.if you don’t think fixing the O line is constructive then just look at what KC has done by revamping their whole O line, because as they found out you can have all the weapons in the world, but without the O line you have nothing, and the Giants aren’t even close to having the weapons that KC does. Whining about losing? Wow!
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Bullshit. I'm just as worried about the O-Line as you are, but I'm not going to act like a whiny little bitch about it. I'm going to be patient and see what develops. I'm also not going to whine about the past four years, because as a famous man once said, "The past is the past." Words to live by.
I don’t worry about what you say, so don’t worry about what I say. EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion, and that doesn’t make me a worse fan, or you a better fan, so thanks for all the kind words, but until the Giants go at least 9-8 it doesn’t change a thing.
Once again, no answer, just deflection. I never said you were a bad fan. I said you were a whiny bitch. Sure, you're entitled to your opinion, but if you're going to express that opinion by polluting numerous threads with your incessant whining...if you're not going to offer anything constructive (other than your outlandish and unrealistic proposal to trade up for Penei Sewell) and just continue to piss and moan...if you're going to dismiss out of hand the moves the Giants have made to improve their offense, in general, and their O-Line, in particular, because they don't meet your lofty expectations...then you can expect the blowback to be just as incessant.
Once again thanks for all the kind words.if you don’t think fixing the O line is constructive then just look at what KC has done by revamping their whole O line, because as they found out you can have all the weapons in the world, but without the O line you have nothing, and the Giants aren’t even close to having the weapons that KC does. Whining about losing? Wow!
Old Blue - have you found anything yet to support your specific claim the Giants weren’t even considering Toney at all prior to draft?
And no need to post Giants got snookered as I read it 10 times already. Just post the info as to how Toney wasn’t ever a potential prospect they wanted at any spot in the draft.
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Bullshit. I'm just as worried about the O-Line as you are, but I'm not going to act like a whiny little bitch about it. I'm going to be patient and see what develops. I'm also not going to whine about the past four years, because as a famous man once said, "The past is the past." Words to live by.
I don’t worry about what you say, so don’t worry about what I say. EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion, and that doesn’t make me a worse fan, or you a better fan, so thanks for all the kind words, but until the Giants go at least 9-8 it doesn’t change a thing.
Once again, no answer, just deflection. I never said you were a bad fan. I said you were a whiny bitch. Sure, you're entitled to your opinion, but if you're going to express that opinion by polluting numerous threads with your incessant whining...if you're not going to offer anything constructive (other than your outlandish and unrealistic proposal to trade up for Penei Sewell) and just continue to piss and moan...if you're going to dismiss out of hand the moves the Giants have made to improve their offense, in general, and their O-Line, in particular, because they don't meet your lofty expectations...then you can expect the blowback to be just as incessant.
Once again thanks for all the kind words.if you don’t think fixing the O line is constructive then just look at what KC has done by revamping their whole O line, because as they found out you can have all the weapons in the world, but without the O line you have nothing, and the Giants aren’t even close to having the weapons that KC does. Whining about losing? Wow!
Old Blue - have you found anything yet to support your specific claim the Giants weren’t even considering Toney at all prior to draft?
And no need to post Giants got snookered as I read it 10 times already. Just post the info as to how Toney wasn’t ever a potential prospect they wanted at any spot in the draft.
Can you find anything that says the Giants were taking Toney ahead of Smith, or Waddle, and why were the Giants so pissed when Philly took Smith ahead of them? Seems I must of missed the report that the Giants were taking Toney, so who had that report out?
You said the Giants had no predraft interest in Toney. No interest at all.
You said the Giants had no predraft interest in Toney. No interest at all.
No interest at 11 like they had with Smith, or Waddle, and I still say the Jets got the better receiver at 34, and we will see on that.
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Smith and Waddle. At any draft slot. So why do you need such a report as it has nothing to do with your assertion.
You said the Giants had no predraft interest in Toney. No interest at all.
No interest at 11 like they had with Smith, or Waddle, and I still say the Jets got the better receiver at 34, and we will see on that.
No, that’s not what you said. You said the Giants no predraft interest at all in Toney.
We already have decent views that they rated the two Alabama guys higher but they were gone. They may have had interest in Toney at 11 to some degree but not enough to overcome the deal they were offered to move to 20 and draft Toney there.
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Smith and Waddle. At any draft slot. So why do you need such a report as it has nothing to do with your assertion.
You said the Giants had no predraft interest in Toney. No interest at all.
No interest at 11 like they had with Smith, or Waddle, and I still say the Jets got the better receiver at 34, and we will see on that.
No, that’s not what you said. You said the Giants no predraft interest at all in Toney.
We already have decent views that they rated the two Alabama guys higher but they were gone. They may have had interest in Toney at 11 to some degree but not enough to overcome the deal they were offered to move to 20 and draft Toney there.
You may be right, and I may be right, but nothing has come out saying that DG had his sights on Toney if Smith, and Waddle were gone.
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Smith and Waddle. At any draft slot. So why do you need such a report as it has nothing to do with your assertion.
You said the Giants had no predraft interest in Toney. No interest at all.
No interest at 11 like they had with Smith, or Waddle, and I still say the Jets got the better receiver at 34, and we will see on that.
No, that’s not what you said. You said the Giants no predraft interest at all in Toney.
We already have decent views that they rated the two Alabama guys higher but they were gone. They may have had interest in Toney at 11 to some degree but not enough to overcome the deal they were offered to move to 20 and draft Toney there.
You may be right, and I may be right, but nothing has come out saying that DG had his sights on Toney if Smith, and Waddle were gone.
Of course something has come out absolutely saying Toney was in their sights...he was the pick at 20.
Did you think they chose him for the hell of it?
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Smith and Waddle. At any draft slot. So why do you need such a report as it has nothing to do with your assertion.
You said the Giants had no predraft interest in Toney. No interest at all.
No interest at 11 like they had with Smith, or Waddle, and I still say the Jets got the better receiver at 34, and we will see on that.
No, that’s not what you said. You said the Giants no predraft interest at all in Toney.
We already have decent views that they rated the two Alabama guys higher but they were gone. They may have had interest in Toney at 11 to some degree but not enough to overcome the deal they were offered to move to 20 and draft Toney there.
You may be right, and I may be right, but nothing has come out saying that DG had his sights on Toney if Smith, and Waddle were gone.
Of course something has come out absolutely saying Toney was in their sights...he was the pick at 20.
Did you think they chose him for the hell of it?
You can’t tell with DG’s thinking.
Peart looked substantially bigger in the right places....very impressive.
I suspect similar results for the other rookies....
OL in college with school, practice etc...end up having trouble keeping weight on....
an NFL off-season...on site or not....all they do is workout gaining good weight, usually.
David Diehl seems to think that Peart has the goods to be solid for the OL. David Diehl knows what he's talking about.
Sounds good to me.
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Four year losing streak is patient enough. What do you want 5?
That's no answer. It's just more whining. Can you post anything constructive or are you just going to continue acting like a petulant child?
You just think everything is roses, and cheery in Giants land, and it is not. Complaining about losing 4 years in a row is telling it like it is. Call it what you want, but losing is losing.
Can you tell me what the actual f*ck 2018 or '19 has to do with 2021? Different HC, different OL coaches, different players on OL (including a high 1st rd pick, a high 2nd rd pick, a high 3rd rd pick), different decision makers involved in drafting (inclg JJ), different skill players, different every f*cking thing, just about.
The negativity and whining is freaking ridiculous.
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Four year losing streak is patient enough. What do you want 5?
That's no answer. It's just more whining. Can you post anything constructive or are you just going to continue acting like a petulant child?
You just think everything is roses, and cheery in Giants land, and it is not. Complaining about losing 4 years in a row is telling it like it is. Call it what you want, but losing is losing.
Bullshit. I'm just as worried about the O-Line as you are, but I'm not going to act like a whiny little bitch about it. I'm going to be patient and see what develops. I'm also not going to whine about the past four years, because as a famous man once said, "The past is the past." Words to live by.
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Four year losing streak is patient enough. What do you want 5?
That's no answer. It's just more whining. Can you post anything constructive or are you just going to continue acting like a petulant child?
You just think everything is roses, and cheery in Giants land, and it is not. Complaining about losing 4 years in a row is telling it like it is. Call it what you want, but losing is losing.
Can you tell me what the actual f*ck 2018 or '19 has to do with 2021? Different HC, different OL coaches, different players on OL (including a high 1st rd pick, a high 2nd rd pick, a high 3rd rd pick), different decision makers involved in drafting (inclg JJ), different skill players, different every f*cking thing, just about.
The negativity and whining is freaking ridiculous.
You have an interesting bedside manner Dr.