5 games left, Here we go!!!
tough match up on National TV.
Knicks need a good game not necessarily win but not the roller coaster games they have been playing.
consistent effort.
Quickley and Burks are doubtful today and it sounds like they won't play.
Heat vs Celts also today.
Can they both lose?
#LFGK
This game is going to suck if we play our normal game. Need a couple of X factors that the Clips werent counting on to make this a non laugher.
Either way i hope 1 team loses both
Either way i hope 1 team loses both
I still want to see more Franc and to have Thibs look Obi in the eyes and tell him that he wants to see him start the 4th with at least 4 fouls. Go block some shots if youre going to score less than 10 a game.
Peyton is not working and costing us wins
With that said when he is about to be put down he has that minutes saving performance.
They need to take both games.
Gotta win 1 of these next 2.
Peyton is not working and costing us wins
With that said when he is about to be put down he has that minutes saving performance.
I really dont see how Franc is less viable as a mins stealer when Payton isnt scoring. They have an alternate 1 in Barrett anyways. Have Franc play the 1 on D and the alt 2 or 3 on O.
Right now their pick and Dallas's pick are 21 and 23 in the first round. (They also have Detroit's 2nd, currently #32, and Philadelphia's, now #58) The current team is good enough to beat up bad teams but not good enough to beat good teams. It is very unlikely they'll draft the kind of elite player they need.
Realistically, in the modern NBA, you need several elite stars. Randle, check. So where do the other one or two All-NBA-caliber players come from? Quickley and Barrett haven't hit their ceiling yet, Toppin is coming on; maybe one or more of them will be that kind of elite player, maybe not. Probably not from the draft picks, It would be an incredible stroke of luck if any of them produced an elite player.
The Knicks have a lot of "assets" but elite players are expensive. We may end up seeing the Knicks package a fan favorite (like Quickley) with picks to move up, or to get a star player, and then try to keep enough cap space to bring in one more, maybe after next season. Otherwise they're a bit stuck.
Right now their pick and Dallas's pick are 21 and 23 in the first round. (They also have Detroit's 2nd, currently #32, and Philadelphia's, now #58) The current team is good enough to beat up bad teams but not good enough to beat good teams. It is very unlikely they'll draft the kind of elite player they need.
Realistically, in the modern NBA, you need several elite stars. Randle, check. So where do the other one or two All-NBA-caliber players come from? Quickley and Barrett haven't hit their ceiling yet, Toppin is coming on; maybe one or more of them will be that kind of elite player, maybe not. Probably not from the draft picks, It would be an incredible stroke of luck if any of them produced an elite player.
The Knicks have a lot of "assets" but elite players are expensive. We may end up seeing the Knicks package a fan favorite (like Quickley) with picks to move up, or to get a star player, and then try to keep enough cap space to bring in one more, maybe after next season. Otherwise they're a bit stuck.
They have 60 million in cap space 5 1st round picks in 3 years and 11 2nd round picks, they are not even close to stuck
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the Knicks are at risk of sliding into dangerous territory: NBA mediocrity. Not good enough to compete for a title, not bad enough to draft an elite player talent.
Right now their pick and Dallas's pick are 21 and 23 in the first round. (They also have Detroit's 2nd, currently #32, and Philadelphia's, now #58) The current team is good enough to beat up bad teams but not good enough to beat good teams. It is very unlikely they'll draft the kind of elite player they need.
Realistically, in the modern NBA, you need several elite stars. Randle, check. So where do the other one or two All-NBA-caliber players come from? Quickley and Barrett haven't hit their ceiling yet, Toppin is coming on; maybe one or more of them will be that kind of elite player, maybe not. Probably not from the draft picks, It would be an incredible stroke of luck if any of them produced an elite player.
The Knicks have a lot of "assets" but elite players are expensive. We may end up seeing the Knicks package a fan favorite (like Quickley) with picks to move up, or to get a star player, and then try to keep enough cap space to bring in one more, maybe after next season. Otherwise they're a bit stuck.
They have 60 million in cap space 5 1st round picks in 3 years and 11 2nd round picks, they are not even close to stuck
Yea, not sure how we are stuck. Maybe for opgrading for next year outside of the draft. The NY Knicks are in terrific shape going fprward. While I would love Booker, that is never happening. I think we have to package to get up to get ourPG. I really dont want to give Mitch money that he wants, but I have been openly concerned about our low post presence. I say keep Noel, Rose, Gibson, make a hard play for Burks abd see what we can do later on while rolling over the cap. We have to go small until an option opens up for a big. But I say get that starting 1 THIS year.
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the Knicks are at risk of sliding into dangerous territory: NBA mediocrity. Not good enough to compete for a title, not bad enough to draft an elite player talent.
Right now their pick and Dallas's pick are 21 and 23 in the first round. (They also have Detroit's 2nd, currently #32, and Philadelphia's, now #58) The current team is good enough to beat up bad teams but not good enough to beat good teams. It is very unlikely they'll draft the kind of elite player they need.
Realistically, in the modern NBA, you need several elite stars. Randle, check. So where do the other one or two All-NBA-caliber players come from? Quickley and Barrett haven't hit their ceiling yet, Toppin is coming on; maybe one or more of them will be that kind of elite player, maybe not. Probably not from the draft picks, It would be an incredible stroke of luck if any of them produced an elite player.
The Knicks have a lot of "assets" but elite players are expensive. We may end up seeing the Knicks package a fan favorite (like Quickley) with picks to move up, or to get a star player, and then try to keep enough cap space to bring in one more, maybe after next season. Otherwise they're a bit stuck.
They have 60 million in cap space 5 1st round picks in 3 years and 11 2nd round picks, they are not even close to stuck
I guess those second-rounders mean they'll be making trades. You don't want to keep all those picks because you can't keep that many second-tier prospects.
Where have I seen this before?
Where have I seen this before?
Team looks like the '86 Celts when Rose is out there compared to Elfrid.
Randle always sits to start 2nd quarter
Kid is trash
The Knicks Engram to me, Haha. But EE is better @ football than Elfrid is @ hoops.
Bullock's rise is almost as stunning. He was a complete afterthought last year.
The ref was yelling at Randle, you could see him say you better walk away from me
Having IQ or Burks for these minutes would have really helped.
He is all hustle.
#LFGK
I was probably too early but another huge shot should basically seal it.
Come on NYG16 always 1 negative comment a thread about RJ.
He got beat by an MVP.
Guy has played well for us. Love his energy
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Come on NYG16 always 1 negative comment a thread about RJ.
He got beat by an MVP.
hahahaha i have to be consistent
Big win. Didn't see that coming.
3-2 on the tough road trip so far.
3-2 on the tough road trip so far.
If the Knicks can get that win against the shorthanded, struggling Lakers that's a 4-2 road trip from hell and that would beat expectations
Hard to believe that's the same guy who seemed like a disinterested has-been on his way out of the pros his first time here 4 years ago
RJ loves these physical matchups with guys like Kawhi, PG, Simmons, etc.
Listen to Rose in the post-game interview - no way in hell he's leaving here.
One more star & we're REALLY cooking.
Del, gotta get your priorities in order. Knicks > family, Haha.
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This team. They play hard. A couple of more players and...?
One more star & we're REALLY cooking.
They need to trade Frank & Knox aka "the benchwarmers" in the offseason. For who or what I don't know
Definitely. RJ is probably off limits but Obi/Frank/Knox/5 1sts in 3 years is a good place to start as a package.
Knicks play every game like it's playoff game.
Gotta love this team.
Let's win the next 4.
Knicks play every game like it's playoff game.
Gotta love this team.
Let's win the next 4.
Thibs won't win it but he is 1A on COY.
Obi has really been picking it up lately. Another season his value might be higher
I don't see the Knicks making a big move in the off-season.
I don't see anyone shaking free this off season
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He's making strides right now. He can play the 5 a bit with his length and athleticism. Let him continue to build his value and then maybe look to trade him. But right now, his upside is more valuable to the Knicks than anyone else.
My question is: Could Obi play the 3? I suppose that depends on whether he can guard other teams' 3s, and whether he can get really consistent with his shooting. Even then, is that even possible?
If he can give Randle some real rest and play 15 to 20 minutes that would be enough.
You don't want Randle leading the league in minutes every year.
IF they have two stats in Randle and Barrett, they would only need that one HUGE piece.
I agree with this except Denver. We have no answer for Jokic. For as good as we are defensively, we just cannot match up with him imo. Even with Mitch healthy I am not sure other than just doing what the old Bulls teams would do and throw bodies out there.
I don't think they move him until the trade deadline next year unless he pushes a trade.
They will try to re-up him in the off-season but if it gets to the deadline and no extension they would be crazy to let him go for nothing
Fuck the celebrations....go win some more games!
Defense, 3 point shooting and a superstar scoring is all you need these days!
Defense, 3 point shooting and a superstar scoring is all you need these days!
We're going to be a bitch to knock out in the playoffs. I really want the Hawks 1st round so we can knock Trae around.
Rose what can you say? that floater is absolutely deadly and when they play the floater he still has enough juice to get to the cup, also hit a big time 3 in the 4th..
Rj had a very good game tonight, that 3 point shot is money right now and his defense was fantastic.
I love Taj Gibson, he always looks exhausted when he comes off the floor because he plays so hard..
Reggie's hot shooting was much needed tonight..
Randle was off but he rebounded and moved the ball fantasticly and then at the end his clutch shots to seal it..
Worse you can do on this trip now is 3-3, exactly what they needed.
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If the other team has to play them more than once.
Defense, 3 point shooting and a superstar scoring is all you need these days!
We're going to be a bitch to knock out in the playoffs. I really want the Hawks 1st round so we can knock Trae around.
See...tSee...thats the last team I want. A flopping skank like Young who takes us oit of our game...Igame...I dont want that at all. Plus Capela will destroy us down low.
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If the other team has to play them more than once.
Defense, 3 point shooting and a superstar scoring is all you need these days!
We're going to be a bitch to knock out in the playoffs. I really want the Hawks 1st round so we can knock Trae around.
See...tSee...thats the last team I want. A flopping skank like Young who takes us oit of our game...Igame...I dont want that at all. Plus Capela will destroy us down low.
Yeah agreed, Hawks scare the crap out of me, they spread you out and shoot the 3 exfremely well
Rose what can you say? that floater is absolutely deadly and when they play the floater he still has enough juice to get to the cup, also hit a big time 3 in the 4th..
Rj had a very good game tonight, that 3 point shot is money right now and his defense was fantastic.
I love Taj Gibson, he always looks exhausted when he comes off the floor because he plays so hard..
Reggie's hot shooting was much needed tonight..
Randle was off but he rebounded and moved the ball fantasticly and then at the end his clutch shots to seal it..
Worse you can do on this trip now is 3-3, exactly what they needed.
So going up by 10 going into the 4th is a strategy? Why doesnt every team to that?
Lol....jk.
They seem to tolerate less of that in the playoffs, but yea, I dont want some asshole beating us from the foul line and another from put backs.
Fuck it, maybe just put Franco on Young and see if he snags some break aways.
Either way, I love this team for the playoffs.
3-2 on the trip with 1 to go...and great bounce back after 2 tough losses in a row. This team has some serious guts. Let’s take it to the Lakers and get down to locking up the #4 spot!
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If the other team has to play them more than once.
Defense, 3 point shooting and a superstar scoring is all you need these days!
We're going to be a bitch to knock out in the playoffs. I really want the Hawks 1st round so we can knock Trae around.
See...tSee...thats the last team I want. A flopping skank like Young who takes us oit of our game...Igame...I dont want that at all. Plus Capela will destroy us down low.
For me the last team I want is the Heat. The Heat have owned us this year. 0-3 against them. We're 3-0 against the Hawks. I agree though Trae's flopping scares me-- if he hadn't gotten hurt in the 3rd game we prob lose that game the way it was going. But then again I think that's just because it's tough to beat a team 3 times in a row and we got their best shot that night (and they happened to get a TON of help from the refs).
My head says the Hawks are the best team for us to get based on our success against them. But my heart says the team I want most is the Celtics just because I hate them so much and want to lay the smackdown on their candy asses lol. They also seem like the weakest team, but then again they often step up their level of play in the playoffs and they do still have talented players.
Part of me was thinking the other day if we happen to fall to the 6 seed maybe playing the Nets wouldn't be the worst thing ever. If we have to face them at some point might as well be round 1 when they're still getting their bearings. We might be able to punch them in the mouth and shock the world. Who knows how long Harden will take to get up to speed, I guess is what I'm saying. Nets have looked mediocre as of late.
Exactly-- could see against the Celtics today they know how to turn on the intensity when they need it.
What do we know about Lebron for Tuesday night? I know he's not playing tonight and will be questionable for Tuesday. What do we think boys? I'm leaning toward him not playing. I think they're shutting him down until they absolutely positively NEED to win games (i.e. when the play-in rolls around).
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If the other team has to play them more than once.
Defense, 3 point shooting and a superstar scoring is all you need these days!
We're going to be a bitch to knock out in the playoffs. I really want the Hawks 1st round so we can knock Trae around.
See...tSee...thats the last team I want. A flopping skank like Young who takes us oit of our game...Igame...I dont want that at all. Plus Capela will destroy us down low.
For me the last team I want is the Heat. The Heat have owned us this year. 0-3 against them. We're 3-0 against the Hawks. I agree though Trae's flopping scares me-- if he hadn't gotten hurt in the 3rd game we prob lose that game the way it was going. But then again I think that's just because it's tough to beat a team 3 times in a row and we got their best shot that night (and they happened to get a TON of help from the refs).
My head says the Hawks are the best team for us to get based on our success against them. But my heart says the team I want most is the Celtics just because I hate them so much and want to lay the smackdown on their candy asses lol. They also seem like the weakest team, but then again they often step up their level of play in the playoffs and they do still have talented players.
Part of me was thinking the other day if we happen to fall to the 6 seed maybe playing the Nets wouldn't be the worst thing ever. If we have to face them at some point might as well be round 1 when they're still getting their bearings. We might be able to punch them in the mouth and shock the world. Who knows how long Harden will take to get up to speed, I guess is what I'm saying. Nets have looked mediocre as of late.
I see it exactly differently. We controled our 3 games against the Heat pretty thoroughly. Herro going off in two of them kinda came from nowhere. The Hawks were in our ass pretty much from the jump.
Im not afraid of either team especially in a multi game set. Our coach will make them beat us in other ways. Difference is, the Hawks have a guy who refs tend to favor in Young. I alsothink Capela is a worse match up for us than Adebayo. But either way, bothteams are tough.
Now if he could just cut out the posing and watching his three after he lets it go.
Got caught at it today and it led to a layup the other way.
You can't change anything by looking at it, RJ.
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If the other team has to play them more than once.
Defense, 3 point shooting and a superstar scoring is all you need these days!
We're going to be a bitch to knock out in the playoffs. I really want the Hawks 1st round so we can knock Trae around.
See...tSee...thats the last team I want. A flopping skank like Young who takes us oit of our game...Igame...I dont want that at all. Plus Capela will destroy us down low.
For me the last team I want is the Heat. The Heat have owned us this year. 0-3 against them. We're 3-0 against the Hawks. I agree though Trae's flopping scares me-- if he hadn't gotten hurt in the 3rd game we prob lose that game the way it was going. But then again I think that's just because it's tough to beat a team 3 times in a row and we got their best shot that night (and they happened to get a TON of help from the refs).
My head says the Hawks are the best team for us to get based on our success against them. But my heart says the team I want most is the Celtics just because I hate them so much and want to lay the smackdown on their candy asses lol. They also seem like the weakest team, but then again they often step up their level of play in the playoffs and they do still have talented players.
Part of me was thinking the other day if we happen to fall to the 6 seed maybe playing the Nets wouldn't be the worst thing ever. If we have to face them at some point might as well be round 1 when they're still getting their bearings. We might be able to punch them in the mouth and shock the world. Who knows how long Harden will take to get up to speed, I guess is what I'm saying. Nets have looked mediocre as of late.
I see it exactly differently. We controled our 3 games against the Heat pretty thoroughly. Herro going off in two of them kinda came from nowhere. The Hawks were in our ass pretty much from the jump.
Im not afraid of either team especially in a multi game set. Our coach will make them beat us in other ways. Difference is, the Hawks have a guy who refs tend to favor in Young. I alsothink Capela is a worse match up for us than Adebayo. But either way, bothteams are tough.
I guess the moral of the story is there are no easy matchups in the playoffs lol— especially if you’re not one of the top teams in the conference. No matter who we play round 1 I’m preparing mentally for a 7 game series (unless we draw the Bucs and then I’ll be worried it could be a quick exit, but who knows).
Just noticed btw.... Boston loss + NYK win on Tuesday means we clinch finishing ahead of the Celtics (and hence clinch NOT having to play the play in).
That said— I’m really hoping the Sixers aren’t in a position to rest their starters against the Heat? If the Heat beat the Celtics AND Sixers it could be tough to stay ahead of them. Will already be tough to stay ahead of the Hawks. I just want to finish as either the 4 or the 5 tbh. The Heat losing To the C’s could give us the best chance of that overall. I really don’t know who to root for in that game honestly lol. Take care of our own business and let the chips fall where they may.
Now if he could just cut out the posing and watching his three after he lets it go.
Got caught at it today and it led to a layup the other way.
You can't change anything by looking at it, RJ.
Barrett should give Rose some of his paycheck.
Rose creates really good spacing for Barrett and gets him really good looks.
He looks like a different player with Rose on the court.
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will view the Boston game as a must win since they're at Philly and at Milwaukee after that game, and then on to Detroit for their season finale. Them beating Boston and losing to Philly and Milwaukee would be the ideal scenario considering Boston has a much easier schedule after that game.
Just noticed btw.... Boston loss + NYK win on Tuesday means we clinch finishing ahead of the Celtics (and hence clinch NOT having to play the play in).
That said— I’m really hoping the Sixers aren’t in a position to rest their starters against the Heat? If the Heat beat the Celtics AND Sixers it could be tough to stay ahead of them. Will already be tough to stay ahead of the Hawks. I just want to finish as either the 4 or the 5 tbh. The Heat losing To the C’s could give us the best chance of that overall. I really don’t know who to root for in that game honestly lol. Take care of our own business and let the chips fall where they may.
No reason to root for anyone.
We are winning 4 straight to close out the season .
42 wins and forget what everyone else does.
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If the other team has to play them more than once.
Defense, 3 point shooting and a superstar scoring is all you need these days!
We're going to be a bitch to knock out in the playoffs. I really want the Hawks 1st round so we can knock Trae around.
See...tSee...thats the last team I want. A flopping skank like Young who takes us oit of our game...Igame...I dont want that at all. Plus Capela will destroy us down low.
For me the last team I want is the Heat. The Heat have owned us this year. 0-3 against them. We're 3-0 against the Hawks. I agree though Trae's flopping scares me-- if he hadn't gotten hurt in the 3rd game we prob lose that game the way it was going. But then again I think that's just because it's tough to beat a team 3 times in a row and we got their best shot that night (and they happened to get a TON of help from the refs).
My head says the Hawks are the best team for us to get based on our success against them. But my heart says the team I want most is the Celtics just because I hate them so much and want to lay the smackdown on their candy asses lol. They also seem like the weakest team, but then again they often step up their level of play in the playoffs and they do still have talented players.
Part of me was thinking the other day if we happen to fall to the 6 seed maybe playing the Nets wouldn't be the worst thing ever. If we have to face them at some point might as well be round 1 when they're still getting their bearings. We might be able to punch them in the mouth and shock the world. Who knows how long Harden will take to get up to speed, I guess is what I'm saying. Nets have looked mediocre as of late.
I see it exactly differently. We controled our 3 games against the Heat pretty thoroughly. Herro going off in two of them kinda came from nowhere. The Hawks were in our ass pretty much from the jump.
Im not afraid of either team especially in a multi game set. Our coach will make them beat us in other ways. Difference is, the Hawks have a guy who refs tend to favor in Young. I alsothink Capela is a worse match up for us than Adebayo. But either way, bothteams are tough.
I guess the moral of the story is there are no easy matchups in the playoffs lol— especially if you’re not one of the top teams in the conference. No matter who we play round 1 I’m preparing mentally for a 7 game series (unless we draw the Bucs and then I’ll be worried it could be a quick exit, but who knows).
No LoT, the moral of the story is that when you are scrapping just to get into the goddamn thing, you play ypur ass off and play the way the Knicks have been playing for almost 2 months now. Now is when we need to see talent ruse up where it wasnt before. We need Bullock (who has been terrific) knocking down those kick out 3s. We need Burks to be a slinky point scoring threat whenever he touches the ball. We need IQ to be that instant pynch off the bench. We NEED Noel to squeeze the ball. We need Barrett to go harder to the hole.
What I am saying is enjoy the ride, because we have massive holes at 5 and 1, but we can still play.
IF they have two stats in Randle and Barrett, they would only need that one HUGE piece.
Ask the Rangers about whether the owner will allow you to not rush the process....
So I worst a home play-in game.
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That’s how they would screw things up. Keep developing Randle, Barrett, IQ and Toppin, that’s your core. Become a 50+ win team (very possible), then make the move to put them at title contention level.
IF they have two stats in Randle and Barrett, they would only need that one HUGE piece.
Ask the Rangers about whether the owner will allow you to not rush the process....
If you hold for one more year thats the next big Free agent class.
Harden
Durant
Curry
Butler
Beal
Lavine
Irving.
So resign almost everyone this year and draft well this year.
We will still have the cap and draft picks at the deadline to make a move on a big name.
I was wrong about him....hopefully Daniel Jones elicits the sames response from "the club."
Can we also give Obi a shout-out? Guy seems finally ready! That call for the oop (hes called for it all season, lol) maybe we should just throw it up to that motherfucker until it doesnt work anymore!
Im sorry, but as a dribble-drive point, I love seeing the kick-outs for rhythm 3s by Bullock Nd Barrett. That kind if basketball makes me want to throw things.
It's slim picking in FA, I think package both picks to move up for a PG.
Run with Quickley, Vildoza, Rookie, and Burks.
I don't want Lonzo or Schroder for 18 to 20 million.
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I agree that re-signing Rose is a must unless he asks for some crazy amount, which I don't think he will. They'll let Payton and Ntilikina walk and they'll have that Vildoza kid and IQ as combo guards. But the question is do you make Rose the starter or do you trade for a starting PG? I can't imagine that they'll find a starting PG in the 20's in the NBA Draft.
It's slim picking in FA, I think package both picks to move up for a PG.
Run with Quickley, Vildoza, Rookie, and Burks.
I don't want Lonzo or Schroder for 18 to 20 million.
Agreed and the guy I wanna move up for is Davion Mitchell. Best on ball defender in this draft and I think fits right in with this team coming from that aggressive Baylor team. He also shot something like 45% from 3 this year so he’s really improved that aspect of his game. Only like a 66% FT shooter but I don’t think his game is getting to the line anyway (and he’s proven he can improve his shooting as he did w/ the 3 ball). I could see him just eventually like midway through the season filling what Payton’s role is now. Until he’s ready though I think go with the best of Vildoza, Quick, Burks to fill Payton’s role. Rose keeps his current role and ultimately gets the majority of the minutes IMV
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I agree that re-signing Rose is a must unless he asks for some crazy amount, which I don't think he will. They'll let Payton and Ntilikina walk and they'll have that Vildoza kid and IQ as combo guards. But the question is do you make Rose the starter or do you trade for a starting PG? I can't imagine that they'll find a starting PG in the 20's in the NBA Draft.
It's slim picking in FA, I think package both picks to move up for a PG.
Run with Quickley, Vildoza, Rookie, and Burks.
I don't want Lonzo or Schroder for 18 to 20 million.
Agreed and the guy I wanna move up for is Davion Mitchell. Best on ball defender in this draft and I think fits right in with this team coming from that aggressive Baylor team. He also shot something like 45% from 3 this year so he’s really improved that aspect of his game. Only like a 66% FT shooter but I don’t think his game is getting to the line anyway (and he’s proven he can improve his shooting as he did w/ the 3 ball). I could see him just eventually like midway through the season filling what Payton’s role is now. Until he’s ready though I think go with the best of Vildoza, Quick, Burks to fill Payton’s role. Rose keeps his current role and ultimately gets the majority of the minutes IMV
Not to talk shit, but if you are PG, you are projected to be a 1st rounder and you DON'T get to the line, there is a huge problem there IMO. PointsHAVE to get to the line and be relied upon to hit free throws. I don't know why that part of the game is being dismissed by the guy who is expected to handle the ball the most. It would be like if Matt Peart was only expected to pass block and not run block.
Our PG, has to be able to shoot from 3, play D, dribble drive and play comparable defemse.
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I agree that re-signing Rose is a must unless he asks for some crazy amount, which I don't think he will. They'll let Payton and Ntilikina walk and they'll have that Vildoza kid and IQ as combo guards. But the question is do you make Rose the starter or do you trade for a starting PG? I can't imagine that they'll find a starting PG in the 20's in the NBA Draft.
It's slim picking in FA, I think package both picks to move up for a PG.
Run with Quickley, Vildoza, Rookie, and Burks.
I don't want Lonzo or Schroder for 18 to 20 million.
Agreed and the guy I wanna move up for is Davion Mitchell. Best on ball defender in this draft and I think fits right in with this team coming from that aggressive Baylor team. He also shot something like 45% from 3 this year so he’s really improved that aspect of his game. Only like a 66% FT shooter but I don’t think his game is getting to the line anyway (and he’s proven he can improve his shooting as he did w/ the 3 ball). I could see him just eventually like midway through the season filling what Payton’s role is now. Until he’s ready though I think go with the best of Vildoza, Quick, Burks to fill Payton’s role. Rose keeps his current role and ultimately gets the majority of the minutes IMV
Not to talk shit, but if you are PG, you are projected to be a 1st rounder and you DON'T get to the line, there is a huge problem there IMO. PointsHAVE to get to the line and be relied upon to hit free throws. I don't know why that part of the game is being dismissed by the guy who is expected to handle the ball the most. It would be like if Matt Peart was only expected to pass block and not run block.
Our PG, has to be able to shoot from 3, play D, dribble drive and play comparable defemse.
Repetitive but you get my gist
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I agree that re-signing Rose is a must unless he asks for some crazy amount, which I don't think he will. They'll let Payton and Ntilikina walk and they'll have that Vildoza kid and IQ as combo guards. But the question is do you make Rose the starter or do you trade for a starting PG? I can't imagine that they'll find a starting PG in the 20's in the NBA Draft.
It's slim picking in FA, I think package both picks to move up for a PG.
Run with Quickley, Vildoza, Rookie, and Burks.
I don't want Lonzo or Schroder for 18 to 20 million.
Agreed and the guy I wanna move up for is Davion Mitchell. Best on ball defender in this draft and I think fits right in with this team coming from that aggressive Baylor team. He also shot something like 45% from 3 this year so he’s really improved that aspect of his game. Only like a 66% FT shooter but I don’t think his game is getting to the line anyway (and he’s proven he can improve his shooting as he did w/ the 3 ball). I could see him just eventually like midway through the season filling what Payton’s role is now. Until he’s ready though I think go with the best of Vildoza, Quick, Burks to fill Payton’s role. Rose keeps his current role and ultimately gets the majority of the minutes IMV
Not to talk shit, but if you are PG, you are projected to be a 1st rounder and you DON'T get to the line, there is a huge problem there IMO. PointsHAVE to get to the line and be relied upon to hit free throws. I don't know why that part of the game is being dismissed by the guy who is expected to handle the ball the most. It would be like if Matt Peart was only expected to pass block and not run block.
Our PG, has to be able to shoot from 3, play D, dribble drive and play comparable defemse.
It's a glaring weakness for sure, but it's really his only weakness IMV. He's been called by many the best on-ball defender in this draft, 45% from 3 this year (on 5 attempts per game), great passer with great floor vision, and he's terrific on the dribble-drive -- fantastic handle and he has elite quickness. He stood out as the most polished and pro-ready guard in that very good Baylor backcourt. Plays w/ a lot of intensity, very competitive.
Granted, 67% FT is not great-- and he only got to the line about once per game, but I'm not sure if the latter was a function of Baylor's offense or not. Jared Butler got to the line about 50% more though. I think the question is whether he can improve that number similar to the way he improved his 3-point% greatly over his college career. Payton is a 63% career FT shooter and he's only been averaging getting to the line once per game (or less)-- not that I want another Payton, but even with that being Mitchell's main weakness, it would still somehow already be a slight upgrade in the FT shooting department.
My guess is he will go somewhere in the 8-13 range, so if that's where we're moving up we are likely going to have to accept the player we get is going to have some type of flaw. IMO if he has it all except for that one piece, and he's proved he can improve his shooting otherwise,, I'd personally take a gamble and find a way to use the skills we know he has.
(Just to note: in my earlier posts when I was saying "gets to the line once per game" I actually meant that as 2 FTs per game, not 1)
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I imagine that he will be a high lottery draft pick unfortunately.Too bad!!!
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I agree that re-signing Rose is a must unless he asks for some crazy amount, which I don't think he will. They'll let Payton and Ntilikina walk and they'll have that Vildoza kid and IQ as combo guards. But the question is do you make Rose the starter or do you trade for a starting PG? I can't imagine that they'll find a starting PG in the 20's in the NBA Draft.
It's slim picking in FA, I think package both picks to move up for a PG.
Run with Quickley, Vildoza, Rookie, and Burks.
I don't want Lonzo or Schroder for 18 to 20 million.
Agreed and the guy I wanna move up for is Davion Mitchell. Best on ball defender in this draft and I think fits right in with this team coming from that aggressive Baylor team. He also shot something like 45% from 3 this year so he’s really improved that aspect of his game. Only like a 66% FT shooter but I don’t think his game is getting to the line anyway (and he’s proven he can improve his shooting as he did w/ the 3 ball). I could see him just eventually like midway through the season filling what Payton’s role is now. Until he’s ready though I think go with the best of Vildoza, Quick, Burks to fill Payton’s role. Rose keeps his current role and ultimately gets the majority of the minutes IMV
Davion Mitchell seems like a guy Thibs would absolutely adore. Elite defensive potential.
I like Burks as a player, but he feels like the most expendable out of that group. Have to try to maintain cap flexibility for next offseason when there's a much better FA class. The window to get another star to go along with Randle and RJ is basically closing next offseason when you have to start paying Randle like he deserves.
Wonder how much interest Rose is going to get in FA. He's going to be 33 going into next season, and I think this stretch has earned him a nice little payday.
Also is there a bigger baby than Doncic?
Doncic is a great player, but the constant histrionics are exhausting. Just play basketball man. Maybe Cuban can hire someone to teach him to not react to every call in the offseason.
Also is there a bigger baby than Doncic?
Doncic needs to get smacked in the mouth.
These are the days you wish guys like Oakley were around to knock him on his ass.
Wonder how much interest Rose is going to get in FA. He's going to be 33 going into next season, and I think this stretch has earned him a nice little payday.
Obviously money talks, but I wonder how much he really wants to change teams again. He was absolutely miserable in Detroit. The Thibs connection seems to be the healthiest thing for him.
It's not okay to said this because you guys are wrong. The Knicks haven't had such a complete two-way guard like Payton since Howard Eisley was manning the point. Payton like Eisley is a master at doing the little intangible things that don't show up on a box score but their teammates appreciate. I consider him the glue that is keeping this team afloat
/Nods head
Dee is a clown
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with Tommy Dee and his obsession with blasting Knicks fans who... don't like bad players? Payton sucks, it's okay for fans to state this.
It's not okay to said this because you guys are wrong. The Knicks haven't had such a complete two-way guard like Payton since Howard Eisley was manning the point. Payton like Eisley is a master at doing the little intangible things that don't show up on a box score but their teammates appreciate. I consider him the glue that is keeping this team afloat
/Nods head
Is this parody?
"The incumbent starter Payton has been the absolutel worst on the entire team at -84 through 59 games. That number is especially jarring considering how much success the Knicks have had this season. Taking things in a vacuum, it would seem as through they’ve been winning both because of Rose and in spite of Payton."
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Derrick Rose is plus +47
Elf Payton is minus-46
That’s a 93-point swing over 4 and a half games.
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P.S. Maybe I should have added, since the "beloved" Howard Eisley to make the point more clear
I think Thibs is stuck at this point, team is winning at high clip and he simply cant jist change the lineup..
Plus Quick and Burks are out right now..
Playing rose half the 1st and entire 2nd and then hakf the 3rd and entire 4th shows what trust Thibs has in Payton and its none
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Sorry... just reading Dee's tweets about Payton being an "elite" driver this morning turned off my sarcasm meter lol
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In my "serious" opinion, Payton is a solid backup point guard with good defense but limited offense playing against the other team's starter. He's a role player holding the spot warm either for the next young draft pick or free agent signing.
Which is why I am not as frustrated by his flaws as some are especially since I remember the days of when opposing point guards would circle the calendar for Knick games since the backup guard starting back then wasn't even a competent defender much less a good one.
I was hoping for a little space but ATL has 4 very winnable games.
Knicks will need to go 3-1 to grab the 4 seed.
Yep, seconded.
Not that I even want to think about the off-season yet, but I am more and more thinking they should just add a player in FA if they are good enough, then just continue developing the players we have. If we cannot find or trade for that transcendent player, maybe we need to develop him. Keep working with the kids. If you can get a up n coming star like Ball ( if you see him that way) then do it. But I don't know if I want to trade anyone other than filler. RJB, Quick, and Randle ain't going anywhere. Even Obi, I don't know if I wanna move him either.
Enjoying this.
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Over the Knicks last 4.5 games:
Derrick Rose is plus +47
Elf Payton is minus-46
That’s a 93-point swing over 4 and a half games.
Stats don't get anymore powerful than that. Wow
While it is certainly the case that Quickly may never become a full-blown starting PG, I fail to see how a currently healthy Quickly rotating with Rose and also overlapping with him at times would be worse than what Payton provides. Indeed, despite Thib's well-reputed disdain for playing rookies, there is at least the possibility that Quickly playing some of Payton's minutes would have improved as a facililtator at a faster pace than has been the case behind Rain Man.
I so hope that Thibs kicks Rain Man to the curb by next season, but I have my doubts. Thibs merges greatness as a coach with world-class stubbornness. Rain Man falls on the wrong side of this pairing.
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Over the Knicks last 4.5 games:
Derrick Rose is plus +47
Elf Payton is minus-46
That’s a 93-point swing over 4 and a half games.
Those stats reflect what we all see. Sometimes I'll take note of the score when Rose comes in for Payton. Quite often we're down by X. Then in a short time, we're up by Y. Hmmmm.
Rose is playing out of his mind.
It looks like he has figured out his game for the later part of his career.
If he has a good off-season I think he can be a starting PG next year.
I was hoping for a little space but ATL has 4 very winnable games.
Knicks will need to go 3-1 to grab the 4 seed.
Washington has played some of the best ball in the league the past month. Even if Beal is out they're not going into Atlanta and laying down for 2 straight games. Westbrook is playing on a whole other level. They are 1 game back of fading Charlotte for 8th place and 2 bites at the play-in pie. Those 2 games will be a war.
Bringing back the depth and Lowry. Does that make us a contender with the draft picks? Or do we need another big piece?
Noel is going to be an expensive depth piece. When healthy,I think he is a starter.
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Bringing back the depth and Lowry. Does that make us a contender with the draft picks? Or do we need another big piece?
No. The Knicks are not title contenders with Lowry replacing Payton and a pick in the 20's.
we famously almost traded for Lowry EIGHT years ago. And when I say almost, the deal was apparently done but was killed by Dolan at the finish line. That's a pretty big "what if" as a Melo/Lowry combo would have been interesting.
While it doesn't make them a contender, I would love this move. Replacing him with Payton makes them significantly better and fits this team well. Just overpay him big for one year. He's still a really good player.
I can't believe the Knicks are the 4th seed in the East. What a season. I was dead wrong about a lot but sure am enjoying it.
Might as well trade a few firsts for Pierce, Garnett, and Jason Terry.
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While it doesn't make them a contender, I would love this move. Replacing him with Payton makes them significantly better and fits this team well. Just overpay him big for one year. He's still a really good player.
I can't believe the Knicks are the 4th seed in the East. What a season. I was dead wrong about a lot but sure am enjoying it.
Oh, I'm completely in on signing Lowry. He improves the team. But this team isn't a soon to be 36 year old Lowry from contending for a ring.
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going to get Lowry and Derozan. If I was a betting man I'd take those odds.
Might as well trade a few firsts for Pierce, Garnett, and Jason Terry.
Derozan has been very good this year..you get lowry and derozan on 2 year deals and cna bring back Rose, Bullock and gibson you got a very good team..
Lowry/rose
Derozan/quick
Rj/bullock
Randle/toppin
Mitch/Gibson
Not many teams have cap space this year
Besides everyone is a target for the Knicks according to Begley.
Dame
CP3
Lonzo
Schroder
Etc.
The rumors keep coming only because the Knicks have cap space and picks.
Take it with a grain of salt.
I think the Knicks hold the cap space until 2022 when every big name is a free agent
Conley has indicated he wants to remain with the Jazz if they make him a fair offer.
Whatever, he's no Julius Randle.
According to Ian Begley of SNY, Dennis Schroder, Lonzo Ball and Kyle Lowry are all on the Knicks' "radar for the offseason."
This was expected, wonder how much he plays?
Also I would not choose the Knicks as I team to work myself back into shape against.
I hope the pressure him the whole game
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we famously almost traded for Lowry EIGHT years ago. And when I say almost, the deal was apparently done but was killed by Dolan at the finish line. That's a pretty big "what if" as a Melo/Lowry combo would have been interesting.
Eight years ago kyle lowry wasn't a big deal. He really had a randle-like career growth after that. To hear him tell it, he was out of shape and didn't take it seriously.
Lakers game would be gravy at this point
According to Ian Begley of SNY, Dennis Schroder, Lonzo Ball and Kyle Lowry are all on the Knicks' "radar for the offseason."
So he's basically nygiants16 but with a media job instead of a Giant's message board
But seriously, I prefer Lowry or a draft pick to augment the point.
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According to Ian Begley of SNY, Dennis Schroder, Lonzo Ball and Kyle Lowry are all on the Knicks' "radar for the offseason."
So he's basically nygiants16 but with a media job instead of a Giant's message board
But seriously, I prefer Lowry or a draft pick to augment the point.
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Am I missing something one of the last players I would want on my team from a superstar prospective
I like Brown, as a person & think he's damn good. That sucks for Boston.
Am I missing something one of the last players I would want on my team from a superstar prospective
I wouldn't want him on the Knicks. I'll leave it @ that. He's gotta be a roller coaster player to root for.
As a transplant to the South, I feel everywhere in 'local' to ATL.
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and only just realized about a month ago we get the Atlanta sports teams "locally" lol. Been enjoying watching and rooting against the Hawks.
As a transplant to the South, I feel everywhere in 'local' to ATL.
Yup exactly that's what I've realized. ATL is 4 hours away from here though it's so funny they consider it local to the point of blackouts and such but whatever I guess that's just because I grew up in the northeast where we have like 11 major sports teams or something haha. In Nashville there's 2 and they're relatively new so I can see why there would be love for ATL sports embedded here
Lived up in Portland, ME for a year after graduation. Tommy Heinsohn will never be surpassed in my book as a homer. As Bill Simmons once wrote, Heinsohn was as impartial about the Cs as Ron Goldman is on the topic of OJ Simpson.
Am I missing something one of the last players I would want on my team from a superstar prospective
I wouldn't want him, as I think there's a certain ceiling with Westbrook on your team. I feel like he's only going to take a team so far, and with other great players on his team I feel the team actually ends up being LESSER than the sum of its parts (if that makes sense).
...That said, as a Knick fan, if I need a short-handed shitty team with only once superstar to beat the Hawks, there are very few superstars other than Westbrook I would pick to be that single guy (if THAT makes sense lol).
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I get the triple-double numbers.
Am I missing something one of the last players I would want on my team from a superstar prospective
I wouldn't want him on the Knicks. I'll leave it @ that. He's gotta be a roller coaster player to root for.
I don't think I've ever seen anything from him that would make me think he's a bad teammate or anything.
You don't have to love his game on the court, but I'm not sure why someone wouldn't want him on their team other than cost and fit. He definitely cares, gives great effort and prepares.
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I get the triple-double numbers.
Am I missing something one of the last players I would want on my team from a superstar prospective
I wouldn't want him on the Knicks. I'll leave it @ that. He's gotta be a roller coaster player to root for.
I don't think I've ever seen anything from him that would make me think he's a bad teammate or anything.
You don't have to love his game on the court, but I'm not sure why someone wouldn't want him on their team other than cost and fit. He definitely cares, gives great effort and prepares.
I'm personally referring to it in the context of cost and fit. If he wants to play for the Knicks for free then absolutely. But if he's going to tie up $40M per year for more than half a decade.... I just don't see him being the guy that's a piece to your team winning a title.
But I just see a lot of reasons why he just wouldn't quite be good enough to be the top top teams in a 7 game series. Even if he had a supporting cast I just see him do a lot of inefficient things that don't win playoff basketball-- he takes a lot of bad shots, doesn't have a good jumper to begin with, and he turns the ball over a lot.
Again even when he had a supporting cast-- the ball-hogging in OKC against the Warriors that led to the Thunder blowing a 3-1 lead -- you can't do that when you have Kevin Durant on your team. A lot of people say "well Durant was double-teamed the entire time and the coach wasn't creative enough to get Durant open"... well then Westbrook should've gotten the job done if he was essentially playing 4 on 3 basketball.
On a related note, after reading somewhere that some in the NBA were derisively calling the play in round the “Knicks Invitational”, I’m quite happy to see the Knicks giving the league the finger on their way to a top six finish. Ideally, 4 or 5 seed.
I guess we both spoke too soon haha
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I guess we both spoke too soon haha
seroously lol
I hate Westbrook taking the final shot.
This is what takes away from all the good he does.
Heat toughest schedule needs to win the next 4 to get to 41, they play Boston, 76ers, Bucks, and Detroit.
Celtics 4 left win out 39 wins.
Right now first one to 41 gets the 4th / 5th seed
Best would be for Celtics to beat Miami tomorrow and ATL lose to Wash.
Knicks go 4-0 / 3-1 they are in the 4 vs. 5.
Any one know who gets the tie breaker for Heat vs Hawks ??
Heat toughest schedule needs to win the next 4 to get to 41, they play Boston, 76ers, Bucks, and Detroit.
Celtics 4 left win out 39 wins.
Right now first one to 41 gets the 4th / 5th seed
Best would be for Celtics to beat Miami tomorrow and ATL lose to Wash.
Knicks go 4-0 / 3-1 they are in the 4 vs. 5.
Any one know who gets the tie breaker for Heat vs Hawks ??
Hawks hold the tiebreaker over Heat, beat them 2-1 this season.
The 1st tiebreaker goes to the division leader (regardless of being in the same division-- if you are the only "division leader" of the 3 you win the tiebreak)... which would be the Hawks because they would finish 1st in their division over the Heat due to having the tiebreaker over the Heat.
Then obviously to break the tiebreak between us and the Heat, the Heat win that due to having the H2H over us.
So if all 3 teams finish tied in 4th, we end up w/ the 6 seed.
Ugh.
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It would be nice for the celtics to lose and put even more distance on the 7th seed, but i think best outcome would be Boston winning tonight, keeps everyone behind the Knicks still.
Of course if aknicks win tonight none of it matters
Everyone is reporting he will play tonight.
Not sure if he will have minutes reduced but he will play.
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Everyone is reporting he will play tonight.
Not sure if he will have minutes reduced but he will play.
Then the Lakers are going to be fined for lying on their injury report
nygiants16 -- if I'm not mistaken, the ESPN injury report (if that's what you're looking at) carries over the previous game's status until the new game's official status is updated (which will be later today), but it will have a description in it that may be up to date. It can be very confusing-- I noticed it when I was looking at Burks' injury status last week and it said "out" but then in the description it said he was "probable"... I believe the "Out" is just the last time it was updated for game purposes. Just something I've noticed because I was always seeing contradicting statuses on there.
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nygiants16 -- if I'm not mistaken, the ESPN injury report (if that's what you're looking at) carries over the previous game's status until the new game's official status is updated (which will be later today), but it will have a description in it that may be up to date. It can be very confusing-- I noticed it when I was looking at Burks' injury status last week and it said "out" but then in the description it said he was "probable"... I believe the "Out" is just the last time it was updated for game purposes. Just something I've noticed because I was always seeing contradicting statuses on there.
no this was the official status from the Lakers
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Put whining Lebron in the play-in game
Put whining Lebron in the play-in game
Haha Lebron saying the guy who came up with the idea for the play-in tournament should be fired. If we're sitting here next Tuesday with the Lakers playing Steph and Russ at the Celtics on ESPN doubleheader the guy who came up with the play-in idea will not only get a raise and a 10 year contract he might have Silver's job by October! 🤣😂