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NFT: KNICKS vs. CLIPPERS @ 3:30 on ESPN

larryflower37 : 5/9/2021 12:49 pm
5 games left, Here we go!!!

tough match up on National TV.
Knicks need a good game not necessarily win but not the roller coaster games they have been playing.
consistent effort.

Quickley and Burks are doubtful today and it sounds like they won't play.

Heat vs Celts also today.
Can they both lose?


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Not to be a negative nancy  
chopperhatch : 5/9/2021 12:59 pm : link
But without those two, we dont stand a fucking chance. More minutes for Elfrid. If Thibs had any balls he would give Franc some of them. I dont care about his lack of offense. He can hit 3s once in a while and is a pain to play against. Obi also needs to get a ton of minutes. If I were Thibs I would tell him to use his gift....being up in the air. Commit some gangster ass fouls if he has to.

This game is going to suck if we play our normal game. Need a couple of X factors that the Clips werent counting on to make this a non laugher.
Need to win 1 of the next 2 and if they lose both  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2021 1:04 pm : link
it is not the end of the world, Id rather Heat win both and possibly thr Knicks clinch the playiffs and no play in..

Either way i hope 1 team loses both
RE: Need to win 1 of the next 2 and if they lose both  
chopperhatch : 5/9/2021 1:10 pm : link
In comment 15259048 nygiants16 said:
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it is not the end of the world, Id rather Heat win both and possibly thr Knicks clinch the playiffs and no play in..

Either way i hope 1 team loses both


I still want to see more Franc and to have Thibs look Obi in the eyes and tell him that he wants to see him start the 4th with at least 4 fouls. Go block some shots if youre going to score less than 10 a game.
Thibs needs to switch it up.  
larryflower37 : 5/9/2021 1:22 pm : link
This was the complaint coming into this season about him he won't change lineups
Peyton is not working and costing us wins
With that said when he is about to be put down he has that minutes saving performance.
Nice to see Miami blowing out  
larryflower37 : 5/9/2021 2:21 pm : link
Boston.
They need to take both games.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/9/2021 2:26 pm : link
Boston...talk about a franchise that needs a reboot this summer.


Gotta win 1 of these next 2.
They won’t think about it  
Carl in CT : 5/9/2021 3:00 pm : link
But Brown and Tatum need to separate. They just don’t mix
RE: Thibs needs to switch it up.  
chopperhatch : 5/9/2021 3:16 pm : link
In comment 15259069 larryflower37 said:
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This was the complaint coming into this season about him he won't change lineups
Peyton is not working and costing us wins
With that said when he is about to be put down he has that minutes saving performance.


I really dont see how Franc is less viable as a mins stealer when Payton isnt scoring. They have an alternate 1 in Barrett anyways. Have Franc play the 1 on D and the alt 2 or 3 on O.
As much as I'm enjoying this season,  
81_Great_Dane : 5/9/2021 3:18 pm : link
the Knicks are at risk of sliding into dangerous territory: NBA mediocrity. Not good enough to compete for a title, not bad enough to draft an elite player talent.

Right now their pick and Dallas's pick are 21 and 23 in the first round. (They also have Detroit's 2nd, currently #32, and Philadelphia's, now #58) The current team is good enough to beat up bad teams but not good enough to beat good teams. It is very unlikely they'll draft the kind of elite player they need.

Realistically, in the modern NBA, you need several elite stars. Randle, check. So where do the other one or two All-NBA-caliber players come from? Quickley and Barrett haven't hit their ceiling yet, Toppin is coming on; maybe one or more of them will be that kind of elite player, maybe not. Probably not from the draft picks, It would be an incredible stroke of luck if any of them produced an elite player.

The Knicks have a lot of "assets" but elite players are expensive. We may end up seeing the Knicks package a fan favorite (like Quickley) with picks to move up, or to get a star player, and then try to keep enough cap space to bring in one more, maybe after next season. Otherwise they're a bit stuck.
RE: As much as I'm enjoying this season,  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2021 3:26 pm : link
In comment 15259146 81_Great_Dane said:
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the Knicks are at risk of sliding into dangerous territory: NBA mediocrity. Not good enough to compete for a title, not bad enough to draft an elite player talent.

Right now their pick and Dallas's pick are 21 and 23 in the first round. (They also have Detroit's 2nd, currently #32, and Philadelphia's, now #58) The current team is good enough to beat up bad teams but not good enough to beat good teams. It is very unlikely they'll draft the kind of elite player they need.

Realistically, in the modern NBA, you need several elite stars. Randle, check. So where do the other one or two All-NBA-caliber players come from? Quickley and Barrett haven't hit their ceiling yet, Toppin is coming on; maybe one or more of them will be that kind of elite player, maybe not. Probably not from the draft picks, It would be an incredible stroke of luck if any of them produced an elite player.

The Knicks have a lot of "assets" but elite players are expensive. We may end up seeing the Knicks package a fan favorite (like Quickley) with picks to move up, or to get a star player, and then try to keep enough cap space to bring in one more, maybe after next season. Otherwise they're a bit stuck.


They have 60 million in cap space 5 1st round picks in 3 years and 11 2nd round picks, they are not even close to stuck
Miami defeats Boston  
dpinzow : 5/9/2021 3:39 pm : link
and looking at their remaining schedules, we probably want Miami to win a second time against the Celtics
RE: RE: As much as I'm enjoying this season,  
chopperhatch : 5/9/2021 3:49 pm : link
In comment 15259150 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15259146 81_Great_Dane said:


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the Knicks are at risk of sliding into dangerous territory: NBA mediocrity. Not good enough to compete for a title, not bad enough to draft an elite player talent.

Right now their pick and Dallas's pick are 21 and 23 in the first round. (They also have Detroit's 2nd, currently #32, and Philadelphia's, now #58) The current team is good enough to beat up bad teams but not good enough to beat good teams. It is very unlikely they'll draft the kind of elite player they need.

Realistically, in the modern NBA, you need several elite stars. Randle, check. So where do the other one or two All-NBA-caliber players come from? Quickley and Barrett haven't hit their ceiling yet, Toppin is coming on; maybe one or more of them will be that kind of elite player, maybe not. Probably not from the draft picks, It would be an incredible stroke of luck if any of them produced an elite player.

The Knicks have a lot of "assets" but elite players are expensive. We may end up seeing the Knicks package a fan favorite (like Quickley) with picks to move up, or to get a star player, and then try to keep enough cap space to bring in one more, maybe after next season. Otherwise they're a bit stuck.



They have 60 million in cap space 5 1st round picks in 3 years and 11 2nd round picks, they are not even close to stuck


Yea, not sure how we are stuck. Maybe for opgrading for next year outside of the draft. The NY Knicks are in terrific shape going fprward. While I would love Booker, that is never happening. I think we have to package to get up to get ourPG. I really dont want to give Mitch money that he wants, but I have been openly concerned about our low post presence. I say keep Noel, Rose, Gibson, make a hard play for Burks abd see what we can do later on while rolling over the cap. We have to go small until an option opens up for a big. But I say get that starting 1 THIS year.
Jesus freaking christ  
Carl in CT : 5/9/2021 3:53 pm : link
Get damn EP the hell out of there. It’s walk the ball up ISO. If Melo still playing? Jesus I respect Tom and everything but this one is so obvious. It has to stop.0
Payton  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/9/2021 3:59 pm : link
Adds nothing
Ugggh  
Bricktop : 5/9/2021 4:03 pm : link
Listening to Mark Jackson - maybe the most boring analyst in the history of sports - makes me feel really really lucky to have Clyde.
RE: RE: As much as I'm enjoying this season,  
81_Great_Dane : 5/9/2021 4:04 pm : link
In comment 15259150 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15259146 81_Great_Dane said:


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the Knicks are at risk of sliding into dangerous territory: NBA mediocrity. Not good enough to compete for a title, not bad enough to draft an elite player talent.

Right now their pick and Dallas's pick are 21 and 23 in the first round. (They also have Detroit's 2nd, currently #32, and Philadelphia's, now #58) The current team is good enough to beat up bad teams but not good enough to beat good teams. It is very unlikely they'll draft the kind of elite player they need.

Realistically, in the modern NBA, you need several elite stars. Randle, check. So where do the other one or two All-NBA-caliber players come from? Quickley and Barrett haven't hit their ceiling yet, Toppin is coming on; maybe one or more of them will be that kind of elite player, maybe not. Probably not from the draft picks, It would be an incredible stroke of luck if any of them produced an elite player.

The Knicks have a lot of "assets" but elite players are expensive. We may end up seeing the Knicks package a fan favorite (like Quickley) with picks to move up, or to get a star player, and then try to keep enough cap space to bring in one more, maybe after next season. Otherwise they're a bit stuck.



They have 60 million in cap space 5 1st round picks in 3 years and 11 2nd round picks, they are not even close to stuck
The free agent market for this coming off-season is pretty uninspiring. Next year, better; if they have another good season and Dolan doesn't remind everyone that he's still the owner, they're set up well for that. As for the picks, I guess it depends on whether they get lucky in the draft and/or can package picks and players to get a true star.

I guess those second-rounders mean they'll be making trades. You don't want to keep all those picks because you can't keep that many second-tier prospects.
Expecting Randall to play  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/9/2021 4:04 pm : link
ISO against great teams is pointless
The team struggles when Payton is on the floor  
Anakim : 5/9/2021 4:07 pm : link
Team thrives when Rose is inserted



Where have I seen this before?
Frank is one of the worst players  
bceagle05 : 5/9/2021 4:12 pm : link
I’ve ever seen.
RE: The team struggles when Payton is on the floor  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/9/2021 4:14 pm : link
In comment 15259176 Anakim said:
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Team thrives when Rose is inserted



Where have I seen this before?


Team looks like the '86 Celts when Rose is out there compared to Elfrid.
Game's blacked out here in L.A. Dang.  
81_Great_Dane : 5/9/2021 4:39 pm : link
Why was Randle sitting to start the 2nd quarter.
RE: Game's blacked out here in L.A. Dang.  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/9/2021 4:44 pm : link
In comment 15259207 81_Great_Dane said:
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Why was Randle sitting to start the 2nd quarter.
just the flow of the game
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/9/2021 4:45 pm : link
Thank God for Rose. That is all.
RE: Game's blacked out here in L.A. Dang.  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2021 4:45 pm : link
In comment 15259207 81_Great_Dane said:
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Why was Randle sitting to start the 2nd quarter.


Randle always sits to start 2nd quarter
If this team had a quality PG  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/9/2021 4:47 pm : link
In front of rose, what a difference that would make. At his age, rose has to play too many minutes.
RE: Frank is one of the worst players  
TommyWiseau : 5/9/2021 4:49 pm : link
In comment 15259181 bceagle05 said:
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I’ve ever seen.


Kid is trash
Payton sucks  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2021 5:04 pm : link
I hate him, never hated a player as much as i hate him
RE: Payton sucks  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/9/2021 5:11 pm : link
In comment 15259225 nygiants16 said:
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I hate him, never hated a player as much as i hate him
I don’t know how he is a 29% three point shooter. I never see him make a shot more than 6 feet from the basket.
RE: Payton sucks  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/9/2021 5:14 pm : link
In comment 15259225 nygiants16 said:
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I hate him, never hated a player as much as i hate him


The Knicks Engram to me, Haha. But EE is better @ football than Elfrid is @ hoops.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/9/2021 5:14 pm : link
Bullock!
It's  
Jon in NYC : 5/9/2021 5:16 pm : link
stunning how many Knicks are having career years beyond Julius Randle.

Bullock's rise is almost as stunning. He was a complete afterthought last year.
Randke fucking killing them  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2021 5:21 pm : link
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Another shitty end to the third quarter.  
bceagle05 : 5/9/2021 5:21 pm : link
Hope we can steal this one.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/9/2021 5:21 pm : link
Bad ending to that quarter. Elfrid better not start the 4th or we'll be in another hole.
Huge  
Jon in NYC : 5/9/2021 5:24 pm : link
quarter coming up here. Stealing a win all but wraps up a top 6 seed.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/9/2021 5:25 pm : link
We're going to blow this aren't we? Come on. Wake the F up.
Even if he won't start Rose he has to treat him like a starter  
Stu11 : 5/9/2021 5:26 pm : link
And have him start the 2nd half. If you wanna steal 5 minutes with Payton do it at the end of the 3rd. He lights up the 1st half then sits for 30 to 45 minutes and it takes it out of his rhythm.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/9/2021 5:26 pm : link
Again, thank God Derrick F'ing Rose.
Why weren't Cousins and Rondo given T's for that  
dpinzow : 5/9/2021 5:27 pm : link
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Fucking  
Jon in NYC : 5/9/2021 5:28 pm : link
Nic Batum are you kidding me
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/9/2021 5:28 pm : link
I know it's a random hate, but I have never liked Batum.
My god this team is allergic to keeping a lead  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2021 5:28 pm : link
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RE: Why weren't Cousins and Rondo given T's for that  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2021 5:29 pm : link
In comment 15259244 dpinzow said:
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The ref was yelling at Randle, you could see him say you better walk away from me
Boogie is definitely top 10 meathead on the all NBA  
Stu11 : 5/9/2021 5:31 pm : link
Meathead list. Like what was the idiot doing at the end of the 3rd? When it was a nothing thing I can see letting it go but once they kept it up he needed to be T'd up.
Huge  
Jon in NYC : 5/9/2021 5:34 pm : link
3 by Rose.

Having IQ or Burks for these minutes would have really helped.
Gotta love how hard Toppin  
larryflower37 : 5/9/2021 5:34 pm : link
Works.
He is all hustle.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/9/2021 5:35 pm : link
Toppin is a hard worker.
RJ  
Jon in NYC : 5/9/2021 5:36 pm : link
demanding the ball then nailing a 3 in Boogie's face. LOVE IT.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/9/2021 5:37 pm : link
Even when not scoring, Rose is just such a badass.
Knicks are in their heads today  
larryflower37 : 5/9/2021 5:37 pm : link
Boogie and Rando losing it .

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