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larryflower37 : 5/9/2021 12:49 pm
5 games left, Here we go!!!

tough match up on National TV.
Knicks need a good game not necessarily win but not the roller coaster games they have been playing.
consistent effort.

Quickley and Burks are doubtful today and it sounds like they won't play.

Heat vs Celts also today.
Can they both lose?


#LFGK
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RE: ...  
larryflower37 : 5/9/2021 7:07 pm : link
In comment 15259329 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I agree about not rushing the process, but if someone like Beal comes available, we gotta get in.


I don't think they move him until the trade deadline next year unless he pushes a trade.
They will try to re-up him in the off-season but if it gets to the deadline and no extension they would be crazy to let him go for nothing
larry.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/9/2021 7:08 pm : link
I don't think he will. From all I've read/heard on pods, Beal is 100% committed to the Wizards & the DMV region at large. He doesn't want to leave. That could change, but right now...I don't think he's demanding a trade.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/9/2021 7:09 pm : link
Before this season, I think Booker would have been itching to get out of Phoenix. Now? I doubt it.
Just finished on delay...  
chopperhatch : 5/9/2021 7:11 pm : link
Holy fucking shit! This team is humming. Clippers rely too much on Kawhi and PG, but wow! Active on D. I thpight we would get killed on the glass. Then RJ and Julius started getting up and gaining possessions. Fuck the yappin! Be true to it, do it. Veryfun. JR I still cant stop winc8ng when he lauches random stepbacks, but fuck it. GO NY! GO NY GO!

Fuck the celebrations....go win some more games!
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/9/2021 7:13 pm : link
chopper, nice win after the last 2 games. Now beat those damn Lakers Tuesday night.
This team is def a problem to face  
chopperhatch : 5/9/2021 7:14 pm : link
If the other team has to play them more than once.

Defense, 3 point shooting and a superstar scoring is all you need these days!
RE: This team is def a problem to face  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/9/2021 7:15 pm : link
In comment 15259347 chopperhatch said:
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If the other team has to play them more than once.

Defense, 3 point shooting and a superstar scoring is all you need these days!


We're going to be a bitch to knock out in the playoffs. I really want the Hawks 1st round so we can knock Trae around.
What a great fricken win  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2021 7:18 pm : link
i thought they had no chance tonight, the formula they have been using during their hot streak came up today, get up 10 to start the 4th and hold on to that 10 point lead the entire 4th..

Rose what can you say? that floater is absolutely deadly and when they play the floater he still has enough juice to get to the cup, also hit a big time 3 in the 4th..

Rj had a very good game tonight, that 3 point shot is money right now and his defense was fantastic.

I love Taj Gibson, he always looks exhausted when he comes off the floor because he plays so hard..

Reggie's hot shooting was much needed tonight..

Randle was off but he rebounded and moved the ball fantasticly and then at the end his clutch shots to seal it..

Worse you can do on this trip now is 3-3, exactly what they needed.
RE: RE: This team is def a problem to face  
chopperhatch : 5/9/2021 7:19 pm : link
In comment 15259349 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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If the other team has to play them more than once.

Defense, 3 point shooting and a superstar scoring is all you need these days!



We're going to be a bitch to knock out in the playoffs. I really want the Hawks 1st round so we can knock Trae around.


See...tSee...thats the last team I want. A flopping skank like Young who takes us oit of our game...Igame...I dont want that at all. Plus Capela will destroy us down low.
RE: RE: RE: This team is def a problem to face  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2021 7:26 pm : link
In comment 15259353 chopperhatch said:
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If the other team has to play them more than once.

Defense, 3 point shooting and a superstar scoring is all you need these days!



We're going to be a bitch to knock out in the playoffs. I really want the Hawks 1st round so we can knock Trae around.



See...tSee...thats the last team I want. A flopping skank like Young who takes us oit of our game...Igame...I dont want that at all. Plus Capela will destroy us down low.


Yeah agreed, Hawks scare the crap out of me, they spread you out and shoot the 3 exfremely well
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/9/2021 7:28 pm : link
Haha. I just want Atlanta because I hate Trae with a passion, but you make a good point that that fucker will flop & flop to get calls. Personally, I think Miami would be a tougher out. I don't see the Cs rallying & getting the 5th seed so it'll probably be either ATL or Miami.
RE: What a great fricken win  
chopperhatch : 5/9/2021 7:32 pm : link
In comment 15259352 nygiants16 said:
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i thought they had no chance tonight, the formula they have been using during their hot streak came up today, get up 10 to start the 4th and hold on to that 10 point lead the entire 4th..

Rose what can you say? that floater is absolutely deadly and when they play the floater he still has enough juice to get to the cup, also hit a big time 3 in the 4th..

Rj had a very good game tonight, that 3 point shot is money right now and his defense was fantastic.

I love Taj Gibson, he always looks exhausted when he comes off the floor because he plays so hard..

Reggie's hot shooting was much needed tonight..

Randle was off but he rebounded and moved the ball fantasticly and then at the end his clutch shots to seal it..

Worse you can do on this trip now is 3-3, exactly what they needed.


So going up by 10 going into the 4th is a strategy? Why doesnt every team to that?

Lol....jk.
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chopperhatch : 5/9/2021 7:36 pm : link
In comment 15259358 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Haha. I just want Atlanta because I hate Trae with a passion, but you make a good point that that fucker will flop & flop to get calls. Personally, I think Miami would be a tougher out. I don't see the Cs rallying & getting the 5th seed so it'll probably be either ATL or Miami.


They seem to tolerate less of that in the playoffs, but yea, I dont want some asshole beating us from the foul line and another from put backs.

Fuck it, maybe just put Franco on Young and see if he snags some break aways.

Either way, I love this team for the playoffs.
Huge win fellas!!  
mfsd : 5/9/2021 7:48 pm : link
I also missed the game due to family time, couldn’t believe when I jumped in the car, flipped on the radio and heard the game being discussed in the aftermath.

3-2 on the trip with 1 to go...and great bounce back after 2 tough losses in a row. This team has some serious guts. Let’s take it to the Lakers and get down to locking up the #4 spot!
RE: RE: RE: This team is def a problem to face  
Leg of Theismann : 5/9/2021 8:06 pm : link
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If the other team has to play them more than once.

Defense, 3 point shooting and a superstar scoring is all you need these days!



We're going to be a bitch to knock out in the playoffs. I really want the Hawks 1st round so we can knock Trae around.



See...tSee...thats the last team I want. A flopping skank like Young who takes us oit of our game...Igame...I dont want that at all. Plus Capela will destroy us down low.


For me the last team I want is the Heat. The Heat have owned us this year. 0-3 against them. We're 3-0 against the Hawks. I agree though Trae's flopping scares me-- if he hadn't gotten hurt in the 3rd game we prob lose that game the way it was going. But then again I think that's just because it's tough to beat a team 3 times in a row and we got their best shot that night (and they happened to get a TON of help from the refs).

My head says the Hawks are the best team for us to get based on our success against them. But my heart says the team I want most is the Celtics just because I hate them so much and want to lay the smackdown on their candy asses lol. They also seem like the weakest team, but then again they often step up their level of play in the playoffs and they do still have talented players.

Part of me was thinking the other day if we happen to fall to the 6 seed maybe playing the Nets wouldn't be the worst thing ever. If we have to face them at some point might as well be round 1 when they're still getting their bearings. We might be able to punch them in the mouth and shock the world. Who knows how long Harden will take to get up to speed, I guess is what I'm saying. Nets have looked mediocre as of late.
this team is absolutely unstoppable when Rose is in the game  
Leg of Theismann : 5/9/2021 8:14 pm : link
If we get the 4 seed I just want to get out of the 1st round b/c I can't wait to see how we match up against the top teams in the East w/ the way we're playing right now.
LOT.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/9/2021 8:17 pm : link
Throw in the fact the Heat went to the Finals last fall...they got big game experience. I'd rather avoid them.
Best part about the win, I think, is they learned their lesson  
CT Charlie : 5/9/2021 8:24 pm : link
from the Suns game. Against good teams, if you aren't 100% focused, they'll beat you. Coulda gone either way today, but we bore down, stayed focused, played smart, hung tough, and made it a hill too far for the Clips.
RE: LOT.  
Leg of Theismann : 5/9/2021 8:26 pm : link
In comment 15259389 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Throw in the fact the Heat went to the Finals last fall...they got big game experience. I'd rather avoid them.


Exactly-- could see against the Celtics today they know how to turn on the intensity when they need it.

What do we know about Lebron for Tuesday night? I know he's not playing tonight and will be questionable for Tuesday. What do we think boys? I'm leaning toward him not playing. I think they're shutting him down until they absolutely positively NEED to win games (i.e. when the play-in rolls around).
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chopperhatch : 5/9/2021 8:27 pm : link
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If the other team has to play them more than once.

Defense, 3 point shooting and a superstar scoring is all you need these days!



We're going to be a bitch to knock out in the playoffs. I really want the Hawks 1st round so we can knock Trae around.



See...tSee...thats the last team I want. A flopping skank like Young who takes us oit of our game...Igame...I dont want that at all. Plus Capela will destroy us down low.



For me the last team I want is the Heat. The Heat have owned us this year. 0-3 against them. We're 3-0 against the Hawks. I agree though Trae's flopping scares me-- if he hadn't gotten hurt in the 3rd game we prob lose that game the way it was going. But then again I think that's just because it's tough to beat a team 3 times in a row and we got their best shot that night (and they happened to get a TON of help from the refs).

My head says the Hawks are the best team for us to get based on our success against them. But my heart says the team I want most is the Celtics just because I hate them so much and want to lay the smackdown on their candy asses lol. They also seem like the weakest team, but then again they often step up their level of play in the playoffs and they do still have talented players.

Part of me was thinking the other day if we happen to fall to the 6 seed maybe playing the Nets wouldn't be the worst thing ever. If we have to face them at some point might as well be round 1 when they're still getting their bearings. We might be able to punch them in the mouth and shock the world. Who knows how long Harden will take to get up to speed, I guess is what I'm saying. Nets have looked mediocre as of late.


I see it exactly differently. We controled our 3 games against the Heat pretty thoroughly. Herro going off in two of them kinda came from nowhere. The Hawks were in our ass pretty much from the jump.

Im not afraid of either team especially in a multi game set. Our coach will make them beat us in other ways. Difference is, the Hawks have a guy who refs tend to favor in Young. I alsothink Capela is a worse match up for us than Adebayo. But either way, bothteams are tough.
RJ Barrett is a 40% 3 point shooter  
shyster : 5/9/2021 8:33 pm : link
for the entire season to date. Never thought he'd get there after the 9-52 start.

Now if he could just cut out the posing and watching his three after he lets it go.

Got caught at it today and it led to a layup the other way.

You can't change anything by looking at it, RJ.

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Leg of Theismann : 5/9/2021 8:51 pm : link
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If the other team has to play them more than once.

Defense, 3 point shooting and a superstar scoring is all you need these days!



We're going to be a bitch to knock out in the playoffs. I really want the Hawks 1st round so we can knock Trae around.



See...tSee...thats the last team I want. A flopping skank like Young who takes us oit of our game...Igame...I dont want that at all. Plus Capela will destroy us down low.



For me the last team I want is the Heat. The Heat have owned us this year. 0-3 against them. We're 3-0 against the Hawks. I agree though Trae's flopping scares me-- if he hadn't gotten hurt in the 3rd game we prob lose that game the way it was going. But then again I think that's just because it's tough to beat a team 3 times in a row and we got their best shot that night (and they happened to get a TON of help from the refs).

My head says the Hawks are the best team for us to get based on our success against them. But my heart says the team I want most is the Celtics just because I hate them so much and want to lay the smackdown on their candy asses lol. They also seem like the weakest team, but then again they often step up their level of play in the playoffs and they do still have talented players.

Part of me was thinking the other day if we happen to fall to the 6 seed maybe playing the Nets wouldn't be the worst thing ever. If we have to face them at some point might as well be round 1 when they're still getting their bearings. We might be able to punch them in the mouth and shock the world. Who knows how long Harden will take to get up to speed, I guess is what I'm saying. Nets have looked mediocre as of late.



I see it exactly differently. We controled our 3 games against the Heat pretty thoroughly. Herro going off in two of them kinda came from nowhere. The Hawks were in our ass pretty much from the jump.

Im not afraid of either team especially in a multi game set. Our coach will make them beat us in other ways. Difference is, the Hawks have a guy who refs tend to favor in Young. I alsothink Capela is a worse match up for us than Adebayo. But either way, bothteams are tough.


I guess the moral of the story is there are no easy matchups in the playoffs lol— especially if you’re not one of the top teams in the conference. No matter who we play round 1 I’m preparing mentally for a 7 game series (unless we draw the Bucs and then I’ll be worried it could be a quick exit, but who knows).
I am guessing Miami  
Blue92 : 5/9/2021 8:51 pm : link
will view the Boston game as a must win since they're at Philly and at Milwaukee after that game, and then on to Detroit for their season finale. Them beating Boston and losing to Philly and Milwaukee would be the ideal scenario considering Boston has a much easier schedule after that game.
Bucks*  
Leg of Theismann : 5/9/2021 8:51 pm : link
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RE: I am guessing Miami  
Leg of Theismann : 5/9/2021 8:58 pm : link
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will view the Boston game as a must win since they're at Philly and at Milwaukee after that game, and then on to Detroit for their season finale. Them beating Boston and losing to Philly and Milwaukee would be the ideal scenario considering Boston has a much easier schedule after that game.


Just noticed btw.... Boston loss + NYK win on Tuesday means we clinch finishing ahead of the Celtics (and hence clinch NOT having to play the play in).

That said— I’m really hoping the Sixers aren’t in a position to rest their starters against the Heat? If the Heat beat the Celtics AND Sixers it could be tough to stay ahead of them. Will already be tough to stay ahead of the Hawks. I just want to finish as either the 4 or the 5 tbh. The Heat losing To the C’s could give us the best chance of that overall. I really don’t know who to root for in that game honestly lol. Take care of our own business and let the chips fall where they may.
RE: RJ Barrett is a 40% 3 point shooter  
larryflower37 : 5/9/2021 8:59 pm : link
In comment 15259401 shyster said:
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for the entire season to date. Never thought he'd get there after the 9-52 start.

Now if he could just cut out the posing and watching his three after he lets it go.

Got caught at it today and it led to a layup the other way.

You can't change anything by looking at it, RJ.

Barrett should give Rose some of his paycheck.
Rose creates really good spacing for Barrett and gets him really good looks.
He looks like a different player with Rose on the court.
RE: RE: I am guessing Miami  
larryflower37 : 5/9/2021 9:00 pm : link
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will view the Boston game as a must win since they're at Philly and at Milwaukee after that game, and then on to Detroit for their season finale. Them beating Boston and losing to Philly and Milwaukee would be the ideal scenario considering Boston has a much easier schedule after that game.



Just noticed btw.... Boston loss + NYK win on Tuesday means we clinch finishing ahead of the Celtics (and hence clinch NOT having to play the play in).

That said— I’m really hoping the Sixers aren’t in a position to rest their starters against the Heat? If the Heat beat the Celtics AND Sixers it could be tough to stay ahead of them. Will already be tough to stay ahead of the Hawks. I just want to finish as either the 4 or the 5 tbh. The Heat losing To the C’s could give us the best chance of that overall. I really don’t know who to root for in that game honestly lol. Take care of our own business and let the chips fall where they may.

No reason to root for anyone.
We are winning 4 straight to close out the season .
42 wins and forget what everyone else does.
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chopperhatch : 5/9/2021 9:03 pm : link
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If the other team has to play them more than once.

Defense, 3 point shooting and a superstar scoring is all you need these days!



We're going to be a bitch to knock out in the playoffs. I really want the Hawks 1st round so we can knock Trae around.



See...tSee...thats the last team I want. A flopping skank like Young who takes us oit of our game...Igame...I dont want that at all. Plus Capela will destroy us down low.



For me the last team I want is the Heat. The Heat have owned us this year. 0-3 against them. We're 3-0 against the Hawks. I agree though Trae's flopping scares me-- if he hadn't gotten hurt in the 3rd game we prob lose that game the way it was going. But then again I think that's just because it's tough to beat a team 3 times in a row and we got their best shot that night (and they happened to get a TON of help from the refs).

My head says the Hawks are the best team for us to get based on our success against them. But my heart says the team I want most is the Celtics just because I hate them so much and want to lay the smackdown on their candy asses lol. They also seem like the weakest team, but then again they often step up their level of play in the playoffs and they do still have talented players.

Part of me was thinking the other day if we happen to fall to the 6 seed maybe playing the Nets wouldn't be the worst thing ever. If we have to face them at some point might as well be round 1 when they're still getting their bearings. We might be able to punch them in the mouth and shock the world. Who knows how long Harden will take to get up to speed, I guess is what I'm saying. Nets have looked mediocre as of late.



I see it exactly differently. We controled our 3 games against the Heat pretty thoroughly. Herro going off in two of them kinda came from nowhere. The Hawks were in our ass pretty much from the jump.

Im not afraid of either team especially in a multi game set. Our coach will make them beat us in other ways. Difference is, the Hawks have a guy who refs tend to favor in Young. I alsothink Capela is a worse match up for us than Adebayo. But either way, bothteams are tough.



I guess the moral of the story is there are no easy matchups in the playoffs lol— especially if you’re not one of the top teams in the conference. No matter who we play round 1 I’m preparing mentally for a 7 game series (unless we draw the Bucs and then I’ll be worried it could be a quick exit, but who knows).


No LoT, the moral of the story is that when you are scrapping just to get into the goddamn thing, you play ypur ass off and play the way the Knicks have been playing for almost 2 months now. Now is when we need to see talent ruse up where it wasnt before. We need Bullock (who has been terrific) knocking down those kick out 3s. We need Burks to be a slinky point scoring threat whenever he touches the ball. We need IQ to be that instant pynch off the bench. We NEED Noel to squeeze the ball. We need Barrett to go harder to the hole.

What I am saying is enjoy the ride, because we have massive holes at 5 and 1, but we can still play.
I agree w/ everything you're saying chop  
Leg of Theismann : 5/9/2021 9:20 pm : link
I was just saying any playoff matchup is going to be tough I guess so no point in hoping for one or the other IMO, since in the playoffs it's going to all come down to US playing good basketball and guys stepping up (as you said). Independent of the team we're playing, winning a playoff series is going to come down to the Knicks playing well, making key plays in key moments-- whether that means overcoming the refs against the Hawks or overcoming the experience/intensity the Heat bring, it's going to take every last bit of heart and grit this team has.
RE: I don’t think you rush the process  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/9/2021 9:23 pm : link
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That’s how they would screw things up. Keep developing Randle, Barrett, IQ and Toppin, that’s your core. Become a 50+ win team (very possible), then make the move to put them at title contention level.
IF they have two stats in Randle and Barrett, they would only need that one HUGE piece.


Ask the Rangers about whether the owner will allow you to not rush the process....
That’s why he changed their management team  
Dave on the UWS : 5/9/2021 9:44 pm : link
last off season. That’s working out pretty well so far.
Huge fucking win!  
djm : 5/9/2021 9:48 pm : link
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With the Hornets loss  
larryflower37 : 5/9/2021 10:02 pm : link
Looks if we lost out the lowest we could go would be 7th seed.
So I worst a home play-in game.
RJ is a 40% three-point shooter.  
bceagle05 : 5/9/2021 10:07 pm : link
That is astounding.
RE: RE: I don’t think you rush the process  
larryflower37 : 5/9/2021 10:12 pm : link
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That’s how they would screw things up. Keep developing Randle, Barrett, IQ and Toppin, that’s your core. Become a 50+ win team (very possible), then make the move to put them at title contention level.
IF they have two stats in Randle and Barrett, they would only need that one HUGE piece.



Ask the Rangers about whether the owner will allow you to not rush the process....

If you hold for one more year thats the next big Free agent class.
Harden
Durant
Curry
Butler
Beal
Lavine
Irving.
So resign almost everyone this year and draft well this year.
We will still have the cap and draft picks at the deadline to make a move on a big name.
RE: RJ is a 40% three-point shooter.  
chopperhatch : 5/9/2021 10:16 pm : link
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That is astounding.


I was wrong about him....hopefully Daniel Jones elicits the sames response from "the club."


Can we also give Obi a shout-out? Guy seems finally ready! That call for the oop (hes called for it all season, lol) maybe we should just throw it up to that motherfucker until it doesnt work anymore!

Im sorry, but as a dribble-drive point, I love seeing the kick-outs for rhythm 3s by Bullock Nd Barrett. That kind if basketball makes me want to throw things.
I will admit to being dead wrong about Barrett  
Greg from LI : 5/9/2021 10:43 pm : link
His old jumper was awful and he tore it down and rebuilt it in the off season. Never thought it would become good, but he did it.
It'll be interesting to see how they address PG in the offseason  
Anakim : 5/9/2021 10:59 pm : link
I agree that re-signing Rose is a must unless he asks for some crazy amount, which I don't think he will. They'll let Payton and Ntilikina walk and they'll have that Vildoza kid and IQ as combo guards. But the question is do you make Rose the starter or do you trade for a starting PG? I can't imagine that they'll find a starting PG in the 20's in the NBA Draft.
RE: It'll be interesting to see how they address PG in the offseason  
larryflower37 : 5/9/2021 11:16 pm : link
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I agree that re-signing Rose is a must unless he asks for some crazy amount, which I don't think he will. They'll let Payton and Ntilikina walk and they'll have that Vildoza kid and IQ as combo guards. But the question is do you make Rose the starter or do you trade for a starting PG? I can't imagine that they'll find a starting PG in the 20's in the NBA Draft.

It's slim picking in FA, I think package both picks to move up for a PG.
Run with Quickley, Vildoza, Rookie, and Burks.
I don't want Lonzo or Schroder for 18 to 20 million.
RE: RE: It'll be interesting to see how they address PG in the offseason  
Leg of Theismann : 5/9/2021 11:36 pm : link
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I agree that re-signing Rose is a must unless he asks for some crazy amount, which I don't think he will. They'll let Payton and Ntilikina walk and they'll have that Vildoza kid and IQ as combo guards. But the question is do you make Rose the starter or do you trade for a starting PG? I can't imagine that they'll find a starting PG in the 20's in the NBA Draft.


It's slim picking in FA, I think package both picks to move up for a PG.
Run with Quickley, Vildoza, Rookie, and Burks.
I don't want Lonzo or Schroder for 18 to 20 million.


Agreed and the guy I wanna move up for is Davion Mitchell. Best on ball defender in this draft and I think fits right in with this team coming from that aggressive Baylor team. He also shot something like 45% from 3 this year so he’s really improved that aspect of his game. Only like a 66% FT shooter but I don’t think his game is getting to the line anyway (and he’s proven he can improve his shooting as he did w/ the 3 ball). I could see him just eventually like midway through the season filling what Payton’s role is now. Until he’s ready though I think go with the best of Vildoza, Quick, Burks to fill Payton’s role. Rose keeps his current role and ultimately gets the majority of the minutes IMV
And when I say filling Payton’s role  
Leg of Theismann : 5/9/2021 11:37 pm : link
I mean doing what Payton is supposed to do but better... the “better” part isn’t exactly a high bar to clear
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chopperhatch : 5/10/2021 12:02 am : link
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I agree that re-signing Rose is a must unless he asks for some crazy amount, which I don't think he will. They'll let Payton and Ntilikina walk and they'll have that Vildoza kid and IQ as combo guards. But the question is do you make Rose the starter or do you trade for a starting PG? I can't imagine that they'll find a starting PG in the 20's in the NBA Draft.


It's slim picking in FA, I think package both picks to move up for a PG.
Run with Quickley, Vildoza, Rookie, and Burks.
I don't want Lonzo or Schroder for 18 to 20 million.



Agreed and the guy I wanna move up for is Davion Mitchell. Best on ball defender in this draft and I think fits right in with this team coming from that aggressive Baylor team. He also shot something like 45% from 3 this year so he’s really improved that aspect of his game. Only like a 66% FT shooter but I don’t think his game is getting to the line anyway (and he’s proven he can improve his shooting as he did w/ the 3 ball). I could see him just eventually like midway through the season filling what Payton’s role is now. Until he’s ready though I think go with the best of Vildoza, Quick, Burks to fill Payton’s role. Rose keeps his current role and ultimately gets the majority of the minutes IMV


Not to talk shit, but if you are PG, you are projected to be a 1st rounder and you DON'T get to the line, there is a huge problem there IMO. PointsHAVE to get to the line and be relied upon to hit free throws. I don't know why that part of the game is being dismissed by the guy who is expected to handle the ball the most. It would be like if Matt Peart was only expected to pass block and not run block.

Our PG, has to be able to shoot from 3, play D, dribble drive and play comparable defemse.
RE: RE: RE: RE: It'll be interesting to see how they address PG in the offseason  
chopperhatch : 5/10/2021 12:03 am : link
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I agree that re-signing Rose is a must unless he asks for some crazy amount, which I don't think he will. They'll let Payton and Ntilikina walk and they'll have that Vildoza kid and IQ as combo guards. But the question is do you make Rose the starter or do you trade for a starting PG? I can't imagine that they'll find a starting PG in the 20's in the NBA Draft.


It's slim picking in FA, I think package both picks to move up for a PG.
Run with Quickley, Vildoza, Rookie, and Burks.
I don't want Lonzo or Schroder for 18 to 20 million.



Agreed and the guy I wanna move up for is Davion Mitchell. Best on ball defender in this draft and I think fits right in with this team coming from that aggressive Baylor team. He also shot something like 45% from 3 this year so he’s really improved that aspect of his game. Only like a 66% FT shooter but I don’t think his game is getting to the line anyway (and he’s proven he can improve his shooting as he did w/ the 3 ball). I could see him just eventually like midway through the season filling what Payton’s role is now. Until he’s ready though I think go with the best of Vildoza, Quick, Burks to fill Payton’s role. Rose keeps his current role and ultimately gets the majority of the minutes IMV



Not to talk shit, but if you are PG, you are projected to be a 1st rounder and you DON'T get to the line, there is a huge problem there IMO. PointsHAVE to get to the line and be relied upon to hit free throws. I don't know why that part of the game is being dismissed by the guy who is expected to handle the ball the most. It would be like if Matt Peart was only expected to pass block and not run block.

Our PG, has to be able to shoot from 3, play D, dribble drive and play comparable defemse.


Repetitive but you get my gist
Not worrying about the off- season. It'll happen when it happens  
Stu11 : 5/10/2021 1:12 am : link
I'm living in and loving the moment. The compete level has been playoff level for months now. The Knicks won't even notice the change when the post season starts. Of course all the usual get the props, including Taj. That lineup we put out there at the end is our A lineup right now at least tillmIQ and Burks get back. Taj's hustle and ability to finish in traffic as well as his ability to be physical in the paint and low post passing are the type of skills we just don't have consistently besides him. He with Rose just calm things down out there. Can't say enough about the compete level on D for 48 minutes.
RE: RE: RE: RE: It'll be interesting to see how they address PG in the offseason  
Leg of Theismann : 5/10/2021 1:29 am : link
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I agree that re-signing Rose is a must unless he asks for some crazy amount, which I don't think he will. They'll let Payton and Ntilikina walk and they'll have that Vildoza kid and IQ as combo guards. But the question is do you make Rose the starter or do you trade for a starting PG? I can't imagine that they'll find a starting PG in the 20's in the NBA Draft.


It's slim picking in FA, I think package both picks to move up for a PG.
Run with Quickley, Vildoza, Rookie, and Burks.
I don't want Lonzo or Schroder for 18 to 20 million.



Agreed and the guy I wanna move up for is Davion Mitchell. Best on ball defender in this draft and I think fits right in with this team coming from that aggressive Baylor team. He also shot something like 45% from 3 this year so he’s really improved that aspect of his game. Only like a 66% FT shooter but I don’t think his game is getting to the line anyway (and he’s proven he can improve his shooting as he did w/ the 3 ball). I could see him just eventually like midway through the season filling what Payton’s role is now. Until he’s ready though I think go with the best of Vildoza, Quick, Burks to fill Payton’s role. Rose keeps his current role and ultimately gets the majority of the minutes IMV



Not to talk shit, but if you are PG, you are projected to be a 1st rounder and you DON'T get to the line, there is a huge problem there IMO. PointsHAVE to get to the line and be relied upon to hit free throws. I don't know why that part of the game is being dismissed by the guy who is expected to handle the ball the most. It would be like if Matt Peart was only expected to pass block and not run block.

Our PG, has to be able to shoot from 3, play D, dribble drive and play comparable defemse.


It's a glaring weakness for sure, but it's really his only weakness IMV. He's been called by many the best on-ball defender in this draft, 45% from 3 this year (on 5 attempts per game), great passer with great floor vision, and he's terrific on the dribble-drive -- fantastic handle and he has elite quickness. He stood out as the most polished and pro-ready guard in that very good Baylor backcourt. Plays w/ a lot of intensity, very competitive.

Granted, 67% FT is not great-- and he only got to the line about once per game, but I'm not sure if the latter was a function of Baylor's offense or not. Jared Butler got to the line about 50% more though. I think the question is whether he can improve that number similar to the way he improved his 3-point% greatly over his college career. Payton is a 63% career FT shooter and he's only been averaging getting to the line once per game (or less)-- not that I want another Payton, but even with that being Mitchell's main weakness, it would still somehow already be a slight upgrade in the FT shooting department.

My guess is he will go somewhere in the 8-13 range, so if that's where we're moving up we are likely going to have to accept the player we get is going to have some type of flaw. IMO if he has it all except for that one piece, and he's proved he can improve his shooting otherwise,, I'd personally take a gamble and find a way to use the skills we know he has.

Lonzo Ball  
Leg of Theismann : 5/10/2021 1:35 am : link
improved his FT% from his rookie year: 45%, then 42%, then 57%, then 78% this year... it can be done. On that note: Ball only shoots an average of a little over 1 FT per game (just bringing up Ball as a comparison since a lot of people are in favor of paying him 20-25 mill per year and making him our starting PG).

(Just to note: in my earlier posts when I was saying "gets to the line once per game" I actually meant that as 2 FTs per game, not 1)
Lonzo Ball - ( New Window )
It would be a dream draft if they could get Mitchell from Baylor  
Rick in Dallas : 5/10/2021 9:04 am : link
I haven't seen a on ball defender like him in years. Also able to penetrate and dish off to open shooters.
I imagine that he will be a high lottery draft pick unfortunately.Too bad!!!
RE: RE: RE: It'll be interesting to see how they address PG in the offseason  
Heisenberg : 5/10/2021 9:06 am : link
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I agree that re-signing Rose is a must unless he asks for some crazy amount, which I don't think he will. They'll let Payton and Ntilikina walk and they'll have that Vildoza kid and IQ as combo guards. But the question is do you make Rose the starter or do you trade for a starting PG? I can't imagine that they'll find a starting PG in the 20's in the NBA Draft.


It's slim picking in FA, I think package both picks to move up for a PG.
Run with Quickley, Vildoza, Rookie, and Burks.
I don't want Lonzo or Schroder for 18 to 20 million.



Agreed and the guy I wanna move up for is Davion Mitchell. Best on ball defender in this draft and I think fits right in with this team coming from that aggressive Baylor team. He also shot something like 45% from 3 this year so he’s really improved that aspect of his game. Only like a 66% FT shooter but I don’t think his game is getting to the line anyway (and he’s proven he can improve his shooting as he did w/ the 3 ball). I could see him just eventually like midway through the season filling what Payton’s role is now. Until he’s ready though I think go with the best of Vildoza, Quick, Burks to fill Payton’s role. Rose keeps his current role and ultimately gets the majority of the minutes IMV


Davion Mitchell seems like a guy Thibs would absolutely adore. Elite defensive potential.
Get to next offseason with cap space...  
Jan in DC : 5/10/2021 9:14 am : link
even if that means giving huge one year deals to Noel, Rose and Bullock.

I like Burks as a player, but he feels like the most expendable out of that group. Have to try to maintain cap flexibility for next offseason when there's a much better FA class. The window to get another star to go along with Randle and RJ is basically closing next offseason when you have to start paying Randle like he deserves.

Wonder how much interest Rose is going to get in FA. He's going to be 33 going into next season, and I think this stretch has earned him a nice little payday.
The one thing Rose affords you  
nygiants16 : 5/10/2021 9:21 am : link
is you can get a young guy and let him learn behind rose rather than overpaying for an older guy..I still want Ball but if you cant get him i wouldnt mind adding a young player bebind Rose..

Also is there a bigger baby than Doncic?
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