Who is better? Washington, Dallas, Philadelphia?

If they get decent QB play, they will be in the mix for the division. They have decent coaching and a really good defense.

plays well. Dallas is one to watch for now that Dak is back.

I think Dallas can score, that's undeniable, but it remains to be seen how they come together as a collective team.

People love Washington, and Fitz is better than anything they've trotted our at QB in a while...but I'm not buying it. They have some upgrades but their defensive front didn't do a whole lot to stop the Giants from sweeping them the last 2 seasons.

The Eagles I think are more of an unknown than a doormat. Who knows what kind of success a brand new staff will have. I like Hurts a bit more than some, but I'd be shocked if they finish over .500

Overall, you just get the feeling the Giants should be able to beat any of them. An underrated talking about the 2020 NYG is they finished 4-2 in the division (probably should have been 5-1), and were able to punch all 4 NFC east teams in the mouth throughout the year. I don't care if it was a "weak year" for the division, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THAT? I like our chances.

I think their roster is good enough to salvage 1 or 2 of Fitpatrick's inevitable bad days, and on his good days I think theyre going to be really tough.

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Fitzpatrick just needs to not screw things up, but he'll limit how far they go if they make the postseason.

Dallas can put points on the board, but their D is horrid and their coaching is poor. I also think the OL will be an issue for them. They are getting old.

Philly - unless Hurts surprises, that team is going nowhere. They're old on both lines.

simply because I agree with you on the Eagles.

I don't have much respect for McCarthy (not that it matters) and while they drafted heavy on D those kids are still rookies so i'd rule out Dallas.

Like a few others here have pointed out, Washington has some scary talent. The D could be really good and when Fitz is playing well and not turning it over he can get a team in the end zone. They have my vote.

it's the Cowboys who have an explosive offense if Dak is 100%.

Washington has the best roster "other than QB" which is pretty much the biggest caveat which exists in the NFL. People can get excited about Fitzpatrick if they like, I don't buy into him as a full-time starter. Can you do worse? Sure. He's similar to a solid bench player in MLB. He can lull you into thinking he's deserving of a starting job by playing well in spot duty. Once he's in there every week you realize why he always reverts back to a backup.

I don't think Philly is anything great but they do tend to surprise.

There offensive line should be improved this year. They will also get back Brandon Brooks, Kelce will back, Lane Johnson is still there. Jordan Maitalla seems to be a good tackle and Isaac Semulao can play guard. Their line was decimated last year. We don't know really how Jalen Hurts will be this year, so I can see then surprising some people. But, I do think the Eagles defense is not very good, especially in the back 7.

I think Washington with good QB play is the best team in the division talent wise, but Fitz?

I think Dallas stinks, even when they get Dak back. I think there defense is really bad and no draft pick from this year is going to change that,.

I think the division is there for the taking (not really a revelation).

In comment 15259533 bLiTz 2k said:

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I think Dallas can score, that's undeniable, but it remains to be seen how they come together as a collective team. People love Washington, and Fitz is better than anything they've trotted our at QB in a while...but I'm not buying it. They have some upgrades but their defensive front didn't do a whole lot to stop the Giants from sweeping them the last 2 seasons. The Eagles I think are more of an unknown than a doormat. Who knows what kind of success a brand new staff will have. I like Hurts a bit more than some, but I'd be shocked if they finish over .500 Overall, you just get the feeling the Giants should be able to beat any of them. An underrated talking about the 2020 NYG is they finished 4-2 in the division (probably should have been 5-1), and were able to punch all 4 NFC east teams in the mouth throughout the year. I don't care if it was a "weak year" for the division, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THAT? I like our chances.

I think we might have had a chance at 6-0 if the defense didn't fold on the last drive in the first Dallas game and if Engram catches that ball in the first Philly game.

I don't know why everyone seems to forget this. I'd say the Copwboys are the best team in the division, with the WF behind them, despite the WFT having a mess at the QB position.

WFT is the most complete team IMO, we're just lucky they haven't found the answer at the QB position. That Front 7 is just nasty also.

Wild card in all of this of course is Hurts. Need to hope he doesn't make the leap.

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In comment 15259545 Bear vs Shark said:

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I don't know why everyone seems to forget this. I'd say the Copwboys are the best team in the division, with the WF behind them, despite the WFT having a mess at the QB position. WFT is the most complete team IMO, we're just lucky they haven't found the answer at the QB position. That Front 7 is just nasty also. Wild card in all of this of course is Hurts. Need to hope he doesn't make the leap.

What was their record prior to Dak’s injury ?

but i think we're starting to witness a paradigm shift in the division from Philly/ Dallas to DC/NY.

Eagles probably have longest climb....but can surprise.

Dallas is probably favorite due to media and very strong offense....that defense will be their downfall.

WFT and Gaints have best defenses and which one can solve offense woes the best....should win division

you can't sleep on Washington.

I have my doubts about Philly but they do have some talented players and It would be presumptuous to sleep on them.

You may not like the Dallas head coach or Qb, but all both of them have ever done is win a lot of games in the regular season and Dallas has a very high powered offense built for Dak Prescott.

It's going to be a hard fought battle in the NFCE. The good news is that the Giants are better too. I think we can beat the other teams in the NFCE.

I'm really looking forward to next season. I truly believe we have the best coaching staff in the NFCE, the best backfield, the best field director in Martinez, and the best DLine. I think that our offense is going to make some noise. We purchased 10-14 more points a game with Rudolph and Golloday. We purchased field position with Toney and some of the ST players we added. If they stay healthy, the Giants are going to be a very well-balanced good team.

In my opinion Jones is going to become a little more fiery -- he has it in him.

They finally got a good head coach in Rivera and a crapload of talent. If Snyder doesn't meddle too much (obviously a gigantic 'if'), I think Washington could be a force for years to come unfortunately.

Their defense can win them games by itself.

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Seems people have been doing that for about 10 years now.

but in two games last year with Davonte Freeman, Wayne Gallman and Alfred Morris we averaged 150 rushing ypg and our embattled offensive line allowed 5 sacks in 53 pass attempts.

McLaurin is a nice receiver but there is nothing else about their skill players that sticks out. Their offensive line is nothing to write how about and although Fitzpatrick can get hot, he will also lose some games for them.

Before Dak went out, the Dallas offense was on the same pace as the '99 Rams. I thought they had a great defensive draft. I think they are the favorites.

But QB and their OL are question marks. Dallas as usual has the marquis players, but their weakness is McCarthy. If DJ improves, we can win the division.

their offense with Prescott is next level, and the new DC will improve the defense. I like their chances more than Washington.

Fitz can be an exciting player, but he puts his team at a disadvantage as much as he saves them.

of the 3. They have the best Coach and Denfensive front. Their QB play will determine how well they do ultimately.

The one thing all 3 have in common is they dont have good enough secondaries.

Putting aside the unknown injury factor that will play its part, the division should be up for grabs this season.

Maybe give Dallas a slight edge since they're probably the only one of the four that has proven they can light up the scoreboard with their starting QB. Small maybe as they have their issues as well on Defense and unreliable OL.

Would anyone be surprised if all 4 teams wind up generally splitting their divisional games, and the winning team has an 8-9 or 9-8 record?

Coin flip between WFT & Dallas. Neither scares me however.

washington, Dallas and then Philly.

Washington has the edge over Dallas in coaching as well as overall team. Their defense can make a difference.

Dallas has an edge at quarterback, but overall they have problems on defense until proven otherwise.

Philly is definitely the great unknown. They can certainly surprise, but hurts and their quarterback is questionable.

but their coaching is so poor (Especially the head coach) I don't think they're good enough to overcome that.

Washington is OK. I could see their D taking a step back and let's be honest, they have no QB. Fitz isn't an answer any longer.

I think we have the highest ceiling in the division right now but it's all up to Jones.

In comment 15259561 Capt. Don said:

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but in two games last year with Davonte Freeman, Wayne Gallman and Alfred Morris we averaged 150 rushing ypg and our embattled offensive line allowed 5 sacks in 53 pass attempts. McLaurin is a nice receiver but there is nothing else about their skill players that sticks out. Their offensive line is nothing to write how about and although Fitzpatrick can get hot, he will also lose some games for them. Before Dak went out, the Dallas offense was on the same pace as the '99 Rams. I thought they had a great defensive draft. I think they are the favorites.

Antonio Gibson is a very good RB - can catch passes and run between the tackles. And Logan Thomas is an above average receiving TE.

"none of the above"
Reason? Philly has Hurts and WFT has Fitz. If you don't have a QB you have nothin. (to be fair, their fans will say the same thing about the Giants).
Dallas couldn't stop me and 11 guys off the street on defense.
And their OL is a lot more porous, lets see how Dak does when he can't take a coffee break every pass play.

I’m concerned about the addition of Dan Quinn as DC. They have also loaded up at LB. Quinn may not have been a “great” head coach, but he was a hell of a DC with Seattle. Even with a mediocre to slightly below mediocre defense Dallas will be tough to beat if they stay healthy offensively.

The NFL East is no longer the least
Cowboys must be considered better than the Giants until the Giants show that they can beat Cowboys with DAK

WFT beat the Steelers and gave the Buc's a very tough game. I would not underestimate Taylor Heinicke, he looked very good against the Bucs. He can throw the ball. They have to be considered the best team until the games begin.

If the Giant offensive line is competent they can win the division if not if could be another long season.

Their defense is still suspect, but they can score.

Philadelphia is rebuilding, and Hurts is an unknown.

Washington has a very good defense and some weapons on offense, but Fitzpatrick is basically a backup. He's 39 IIR, and has zero mobility. They have nothing behind him.

If Jones plays well, and we stay healthy, we can win the division.

In comment 15259569 Jimmy Googs said:

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Would anyone be surprised if all 4 teams wind up generally splitting their divisional games, and the winning team has an 8-9 or 9-8 record?

I agree with this. I think the division winner will be the team that performs best outside of the division.

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In comment 15259569 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: Would anyone be surprised if all 4 teams wind up generally splitting their divisional games, and the winning team has an 8-9 or 9-8 record? I agree with this. I think the division winner will be the team that performs best outside of the division.

+2. We’ll hear how horrible the NFC East is if that happens but the reality is at least three of the teams in the division have solid teams and it will be survival of the fittest.

In comment 15259540 Chris684 said:

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Washington has the best roster "other than QB" which is pretty much the biggest caveat which exists in the NFL. People can get excited about Fitzpatrick if they like, I don't buy into him as a full-time starter. Can you do worse? Sure. He's similar to a solid bench player in MLB. He can lull you into thinking he's deserving of a starting job by playing well in spot duty. Once he's in there every week you realize why he always reverts back to a backup. I don't think Philly is anything great but they do tend to surprise.

The thing that's scary is that while Fitzpatrick isn't a franchise QB, he's VASTLY superior to Haskins and the shell of Alex Smith.

Dallas has the best offense in the division and probably the worst Defense. If Dak stays healthy they will be #2 in the division. I say #2 because I think their coaching staff as a whole will find ways to mess things up.

Washington has the Best defense in the division but the worst Offense. The defense and coaching will keep them in many games but the offense is going to find ways to mess things up. #3 in the division.

Philly has the most unknowns in the division. Decent players spread out around the roster but with a rookie coach and change in philosophy I just don't see them putting things together long enough to get it done. #4 in the Division this year. I can see them gelling in years to come and could become the hardest to deal with.

The Giants have the biggest leg up in my mind for the division. We are the most well rounded team in the division (O, D & ST). O line seems to be heading in the decent category. Defensive secondary looks to be the best in the division, maybe even the league if they stay healthy and gel. Our coach looks to be ensuring he covers every area with the staff he is putting together. Most surprising to me is how eager people seem to want to work with and for Joe.

It is going to be a fun season to watch. How long has it been since you could say that?

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Like people want to overhype the Cowbpyd yet again. Are we tired of this yet? Yes, Dak is back, but he and Zeke were not without flaws last year while both played Dak, for example, had 9 turnovers in four games. Zeke was fumbling. Their OL, specifically Tyron Smith, cannot stay healthy. It isn't 2016 anymore. Z. Martin is still fantastic, but he's the only reliable one left who's considering great.

Their defense? Quinn's defense stunk in Atlanta. Not only that, when Raheem Morris took over playcalling, it improved. They added a few oft-injured guys from their defense and Micah Parsons. Who is playing. Corner for them? Who is their best pass rushers? Jaylon Smith has gotten worse. That team is more questionable than either NY or WSH, and they have worse coaches.

their defense likely gets a little better by default. They will likely want to establish the run again and shorten games, and obviously have the firepower to score if Dak is 100%.

Eagles and Washington don't have the QB's (yet).

Excuse the misspellings.

People forget that prior to Dak injury that offense was setting the league on fire.

Question will be how much did they improve defense?

In comment 15259624 Toth029 said:

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Like people want to overhype the Cowbpyd yet again. Are we tired of this yet? Yes, Dak is back, but he and Zeke were not without flaws last year while both played Dak, for example, had 9 turnovers in four games. Zeke was fumbling. Their OL, specifically Tyron Smith, cannot stay healthy. It isn't 2016 anymore. Z. Martin is still fantastic, but he's the only reliable one left who's considering great. Their defense? Quinn's defense stunk in Atlanta. Not only that, when Raheem Morris took over playcalling, it improved. They added a few oft-injured guys from their defense and Micah Parsons. Who is playing. Corner for them? Who is their best pass rushers? Jaylon Smith has gotten worse. That team is more questionable than either NY or WSH, and they have worse coaches.

And Zack Martin isn't reliable anymore either. He missed 6 games last season and is on the wrong side of 30 now.

so it's them. Their D is putrid, but I think Quinn will improve it enough to be acceptable. And I expect Parsons to have instant impact.

WFT is the most talented team - top to bottom - in the NFCE. And they have pretty good depth. But Fitztragic will keep the other team in most games and will be their undoing if he's the season long starter.

Now, if they somehow get in the Rodgers Sweepstakes and pull that off, the NFCE is over.

Philly is a TBD team because of Hurts. But they feel like the most incomplete team...

McCarthy and Siri are suspect IMO.

I think coaching means a lot in the NFL. Rivera is solid so I think WFT will be the best of them.

Washington will be as good as their offense allows them to be.

Dallas will be as good as their defense allows them to be.

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In comment 15259561 Capt. Don said: Quote: but in two games last year with Davonte Freeman, Wayne Gallman and Alfred Morris we averaged 150 rushing ypg and our embattled offensive line allowed 5 sacks in 53 pass attempts. McLaurin is a nice receiver but there is nothing else about their skill players that sticks out. Their offensive line is nothing to write how about and although Fitzpatrick can get hot, he will also lose some games for them. Before Dak went out, the Dallas offense was on the same pace as the '99 Rams. I thought they had a great defensive draft. I think they are the favorites. Antonio Gibson is a very good RB - can catch passes and run between the tackles. And Logan Thomas is an above average receiving TE.

We have different definitions of very good. I would put Gibson in the Wayne Gallman category. Average. Like I said, "nothing that sticks out." Logan Thomas too.

His 11 rushing TDs as a rookie are more than Gallman has in 4 seasons despite Gallman with more than twice as many career carries. And Gibson is a much better receiver.

Gibson also had 1042 total yds last year. That's 25% more than Gallman's best ever season.

i think people don't realize how good fitz has been the last couple years. he is an enormous upgrade over what they previously had

that defense is also very young. if they take a step forward and young becomes the player everyone thinks he will, they can be really, really tough

i think dallas is mediocre. bad defense. bad head coach. and an aging offensive line.

i think philly is garbage. i don't think their new head coach has a clue and that is not something to be underestimated.

But really, it is a crapshoot. Th division is there for the taking. No clear cut favorites. If you asked this of their fan bases, they could very easily be most concerned about us. We are the most improved by a decent margin.