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pjcas18 : 5/10/2021 2:02 pm

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BREAKING: The Jaguars are signing Tim Tebow to a one-year deal as a TE, per NFL Network.
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LOL  
ZogZerg : 5/10/2021 3:15 pm : link
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RE: Football isn't rocket science  
PwndPapi : 5/10/2021 3:19 pm : link
In comment 15259930 allstarjim said:
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Tebow was a QB, he had to know his receivers' routes and options, read a defense, etc. I think he can handle the demands of TE. His biggest challenge will be learning correct blocking technique and footwork. That said, Urban may not be getting him to be a blocking TE in that offense. Probably the "move" TE.

If he doesn't pan out, it'll likely be because he is 34 years old, with diminishing athleticism.

What's very interesting to me is how Tebow, a former QB who's greatest attribute was likely his leadership ability, is going to affect that locker room and Trevor Lawrence. Tebow is going to have to let TL be the leader. I think this can work, but it's dicey.

Tebow should've converted to TE when he was drafted in 2010.


"Football is not rocket science" sure doesn't explain why so many highly touted world class athletes (better than Tebow) flame out of the league.
RE: RE: Signing a guy who turns 34 before the season  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/10/2021 3:30 pm : link
In comment 15259870 jvm52106 said:
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to play a position he’s never played before? Smells like a favor for a guy who has a <2% chance to make the roster.



OR, it is a nicely timed distraction from the #1 overall pick who has a HUGE amount of pressure and scrutiny heading his way.

Maybe. Or it'll draw even more media attention to the team in general, including a local cult-hero ex-QB providing potential storylines.
RE: Football isn't rocket science  
Section331 : 5/10/2021 3:37 pm : link
In comment 15259930 allstarjim said:
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Tebow was a QB, he had to know his receivers' routes and options, read a defense, etc. I think he can handle the demands of TE. His biggest challenge will be learning correct blocking technique and footwork. That said, Urban may not be getting him to be a blocking TE in that offense. Probably the "move" TE.

If he doesn't pan out, it'll likely be because he is 34 years old, with diminishing athleticism.

What's very interesting to me is how Tebow, a former QB who's greatest attribute was likely his leadership ability, is going to affect that locker room and Trevor Lawrence. Tebow is going to have to let TL be the leader. I think this can work, but it's dicey.

Tebow should've converted to TE when he was drafted in 2010.


I think you are vastly underappreciating the expertise it takes to play any position at this level. Has Tebow ever blocked before, no less a 300 lb lineman, or a 250 lb LB running a 4.5 40? To expect him to master it after being out of football for 5 years is a big ask.
RE: RE: Football isn't rocket science  
Section331 : 5/10/2021 3:39 pm : link
In comment 15259964 Section331 said:
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I think you are vastly underappreciating the expertise it takes to play any position at this level. Has Tebow ever blocked before, no less a 300 lb lineman, or a 250 lb LB running a 4.5 40? To expect him to master it after being out of football for 5 years is a big ask.


Correction, it's been 9 years.
There Sure  
jtfuoco : 5/10/2021 3:43 pm : link
Is a lot of hate for a guy not wanting to give up on his NFL dream yet and trying it with the Jags a team he should have went to in the first place.
RE: There Sure  
Section331 : 5/10/2021 3:49 pm : link
In comment 15259976 jtfuoco said:
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Is a lot of hate for a guy not wanting to give up on his NFL dream yet and trying it with the Jags a team he should have went to in the first place.


Give me a break. No one is hating on him, merely pointing out that it is an awfully tall order to expect him to be able to perform in a new position at the NFL level.

Guess what, lots of guys have NFL dreams that don't get 1/1,ooo,oooth of the opportunities Tebow gets. Nothing wrong with that, but seems to be a lot for someone "hated" on so much.
is that what the Mets were teaching him??  
Victor in CT : 5/10/2021 3:51 pm : link
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I fixed it for you  
arniefez : 5/10/2021 3:52 pm : link
The Jaguars are signing Tim Tebow to a one-year deal as a TE, in a desperate attempt to do anything to generate publicity, sell tickets in Jacksonville and raise their brand profile to make them more attractive in the UK per NFL Network.
RE: RE: There Sure  
jtfuoco : 5/10/2021 3:59 pm : link
In comment 15259984 Section331 said:
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Is a lot of hate for a guy not wanting to give up on his NFL dream yet and trying it with the Jags a team he should have went to in the first place.



Give me a break. No one is hating on him, merely pointing out that it is an awfully tall order to expect him to be able to perform in a new position at the NFL level.

Guess what, lots of guys have NFL dreams that don't get 1/1,ooo,oooth of the opportunities Tebow gets. Nothing wrong with that, but seems to be a lot for someone "hated" on so much.


So what David said above was not pure hate and I am not even talking about the stuff I have seen on Twitter. The guy has never been anything but class on and off the field.
Some of you guys that dismiss professional athletes  
joeinpa : 5/10/2021 4:03 pm : link
Like Engram as you if they are a pathetic joke, show an absolute lack of awareness of just how special they are as athletes

Anyone who makes it to the NFL, let alone last 5 seasons deserves respect,
RE: RE: RE: There Sure  
Section331 : 5/10/2021 4:04 pm : link
In comment 15259998 jtfuoco said:
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So what David said above was not pure hate and I am not even talking about the stuff I have seen on Twitter. The guy has never been anything but class on and off the field.


One comment out of dozens does not exactly measure up to "a lot" of hate.
Rumor has it  
TommyWiseau : 5/10/2021 4:22 pm : link
they may want to do hard knocks
RE: Some of you guys that dismiss professional athletes  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/10/2021 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15259999 joeinpa said:
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Like Engram as you if they are a pathetic joke, show an absolute lack of awareness of just how special they are as athletes

Anyone who makes it to the NFL, let alone last 5 seasons deserves respect,

I think it goes without saying that even the guys who get cut from NFL camps are excellent athletes.

The idea that fans can't criticize them on the basis of how they compare with other NFL players (rather than comparing them with the athleticism of fans) is beyond absurd.

It's not the first time you've tried to make this point, and it hasn't gotten any less ridiculous with repetition.
RE: RE: Some of you guys that dismiss professional athletes  
Johnny5 : 5/10/2021 5:14 pm : link
In comment 15260027 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Like Engram as you if they are a pathetic joke, show an absolute lack of awareness of just how special they are as athletes

Anyone who makes it to the NFL, let alone last 5 seasons deserves respect,


I think it goes without saying that even the guys who get cut from NFL camps are excellent athletes.

The idea that fans can't criticize them on the basis of how they compare with other NFL players (rather than comparing them with the athleticism of fans) is beyond absurd.

It's not the first time you've tried to make this point, and it hasn't gotten any less ridiculous with repetition.

Cut guys are not just excellent athletes. They are give or take part of the .2% of the population that actually makes it to an NFL camp.
RE: RE: RE: Some of you guys that dismiss professional athletes  
Mad Mike : 5/10/2021 5:39 pm : link
In comment 15260060 Johnny5 said:
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Cut guys are not just excellent athletes. They are give or take part of the .2% of the population that actually makes it to an NFL camp.

Sure. That doesn't mean that they can't be graded within the context of the professional ranks. Sinorice was an amazing football player. He also sucked as an NFL player. Those two are not mutually exclusive, and there's no reason people discussing football should simply limit themselves to acknowledging that all these guys are truly elite as humans, and ignore that within that elite level, some are great pros, some are ok, and some really aren't worth a roster spot.
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joeinpa : 5/10/2021 6:07 pm : link
In comment 15260079 Mad Mike said:
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Cut guys are not just excellent athletes. They are give or take part of the .2% of the population that actually makes it to an NFL camp.


Sure. That doesn't mean that they can't be graded within the context of the professional ranks. Sinorice was an amazing football player. He also sucked as an NFL player. Those two are not mutually exclusive, and there's no reason people discussing football should simply limit themselves to acknowledging that all these guys are truly elite as humans, and ignore that within that elite level, some are great pros, some are ok, and some really aren't worth a roster spot.


You re right. But the Narrative here on Engram at times borders on ridicule, Almost personal.

Fans ridiculing these guys is a pet peeve. I get the criticism, what you wrote about their performance in the realm of professional football is correct, and he does deserve the ire of fans in this regard.

joepa  
PwndPapi : 5/10/2021 6:11 pm : link
Are you suggesting a 33 year old failed QB who's been out of the league for 9 seasons and who has never played TE isn't immediately better than a first string TE who made the pro bowl as recently as last season?

I see Meyer crashing and burning in Jax  
Leg of Theismann : 5/10/2021 6:12 pm : link
just based on the things we've seen this guy do since he got there
RE: RE: Some of you guys that dismiss professional athletes  
joeinpa : 5/10/2021 6:16 pm : link
In comment 15260027 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Like Engram as you if they are a pathetic joke, show an absolute lack of awareness of just how special they are as athletes

Anyone who makes it to the NFL, let alone last 5 seasons deserves respect,


I think it goes without saying that even the guys who get cut from NFL camps are excellent athletes.

The idea that fans can't criticize them on the basis of how they compare with other NFL players (rather than comparing them with the athleticism of fans) is beyond absurd.

It's not the first time you've tried to make this point, and it hasn't gotten any less ridiculous with repetition.


Criticism yes, ridicule not so much. Thanks for noticing that I ve made this point before, not sure why you think it s ridiculous.
RE: joepa  
joeinpa : 5/10/2021 6:17 pm : link
In comment 15260091 PwndPapi said:
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Are you suggesting a 33 year old failed QB who's been out of the league for 9 seasons and who has never played TE isn't immediately better than a first string TE who made the pro bowl as recently as last season?

Hahaha good one👍
Some fans. Well, many fans... have ire  
CardinalX : 5/10/2021 6:21 pm : link
just for the sake of having ire.

And they're going to let you know about it because, well that's their percieved job AS fans.

It's a din all fans must grow accustomed to and be expectant of. Much like the din that accompanies the vacuum cleaner everytime it's time the livingroom needs cleaning.

You could possibly open all the doors and windows in the house and just wait for nature to blow up a gale sized wind that will blow all the crud in your livingroom out to sea but it would more than likely bring more crud than it removes...

So we suffer the din of the vacuum cleaner.

And as fans? We suffer the din of other fan's ire.

Just an FYI?

Our own ire creates a little din as well that others must endure. It all balances out in the end.
RE: RE: RE: Some of you guys that dismiss professional athletes  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/10/2021 6:26 pm : link
In comment 15260095 joeinpa said:
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Like Engram as you if they are a pathetic joke, show an absolute lack of awareness of just how special they are as athletes

Anyone who makes it to the NFL, let alone last 5 seasons deserves respect,


I think it goes without saying that even the guys who get cut from NFL camps are excellent athletes.

The idea that fans can't criticize them on the basis of how they compare with other NFL players (rather than comparing them with the athleticism of fans) is beyond absurd.

It's not the first time you've tried to make this point, and it hasn't gotten any less ridiculous with repetition.



Criticism yes, ridicule not so much. Thanks for noticing that I ve made this point before, not sure why you think it s ridiculous.

It's ridiculous because we're all diehard Giants fans who want to see the team do as well as possible. When fans say "Engram sucks" or even something more hyperbolic, like "my 80-year-old grandmother could make catches that he drops!" that's not actually intended as a literal statement.

I just think you could probably assume that there's an unspoken acknowledgement that we all understand that even the players that fans tend to criticize are world-class athletes. I'm just not sure why we have to hand out the equivalent of participation trophies every time we criticize or even ridicule a player.
RE: RE: Some of you guys that dismiss professional athletes  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 5/10/2021 6:34 pm : link
In comment 15260027 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 15259999 joeinpa said:


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Like Engram as you if they are a pathetic joke, show an absolute lack of awareness of just how special they are as athletes

Anyone who makes it to the NFL, let alone last 5 seasons deserves respect,


I think it goes without saying that even the guys who get cut from NFL camps are excellent athletes.

The idea that fans can't criticize them on the basis of how they compare with other NFL players (rather than comparing them with the athleticism of fans) is beyond absurd.

It's not the first time you've tried to make this point, and it hasn't gotten any less ridiculous with repetition.



I do understand the annoyance at a bunch of fat guys eating cheetos in front of their computers typing "herp derp, this guy sux"

On top of that, many of them are beyond arrogant but don't understand what they are watching nearly as well as they think they do.

So yeah, a little reminder now and then is good; a little self awareness would serve this board well.
It’s all going to go to heck  
GiantSteps : 5/10/2021 6:36 pm : link
as soon as he kneels on the field.
Awhile back, the Giants had a QB who switched to TE.  
Marty in Albany : 5/10/2021 6:39 pm : link
Then he went to another team and made a bunch of good plays against us. Anyone remember his name?
Paul Reubens?  
CardinalX : 5/10/2021 6:43 pm : link
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RE: Awhile back, the Giants had a QB who switched to TE.  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/10/2021 6:49 pm : link
In comment 15260109 Marty in Albany said:
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Then he went to another team and made a bunch of good plays against us. Anyone remember his name?

Darnell Dinkins?
RE: Awhile back, the Giants had a QB who switched to TE.  
upnyg : 5/10/2021 6:55 pm : link
In comment 15260109 Marty in Albany said:
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Then he went to another team and made a bunch of good plays against us. Anyone remember his name?

Logan Thomas
It's actually both  
Bricktop : 5/10/2021 6:59 pm : link
Dinkins had an interesting college career where he played QB, FS and TE I think.

Logan Thomas is also a good call (qb in college and backup for the Giants on the PS), but he never actually played in a game for the Giants I believe. But he's been pretty damn good for WFT at TE.

RE: RE: Signing a guy who turns 34 before the season  
k2tampa : 5/10/2021 7:06 pm : link
In comment 15259870 jvm52106 said:
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to play a position he’s never played before? Smells like a favor for a guy who has a <2% chance to make the roster.

And not just 34, but he hasn’t payed in 9 years. There are 50 street free agent tight ends who could do more. But they won’t sucker his hometown fans into shelling out big bucks for tickets. His gate revenue boost for the Mets minors ended so Jax is going to try.
RE: Some of you guys that dismiss professional athletes  
GiantsFan84 : 5/10/2021 7:26 pm : link
In comment 15259999 joeinpa said:
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Like Engram as you if they are a pathetic joke, show an absolute lack of awareness of just how special they are as athletes

Anyone who makes it to the NFL, let alone last 5 seasons deserves respect,


engram is a great athlete but horrible football player. you can be both things

what a joke that jags organization is. a tebow signing is just an absolute joke. i get it the coach loves him and thinks of him as a son. but come on man
Tebow  
CowboyHaters : 5/10/2021 7:42 pm : link
has more lives than a cat.

He’ll certainly have less drops than EE.
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joeinpa : 5/10/2021 8:34 pm : link
In comment 15260099 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 15259999 joeinpa said:


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Like Engram as you if they are a pathetic joke, show an absolute lack of awareness of just how special they are as athletes

Anyone who makes it to the NFL, let alone last 5 seasons deserves respect,


I think it goes without saying that even the guys who get cut from NFL camps are excellent athletes.

The idea that fans can't criticize them on the basis of how they compare with other NFL players (rather than comparing them with the athleticism of fans) is beyond absurd.

It's not the first time you've tried to make this point, and it hasn't gotten any less ridiculous with repetition.



Criticism yes, ridicule not so much. Thanks for noticing that I ve made this point before, not sure why you think it s ridiculous.


It's ridiculous because we're all diehard Giants fans who want to see the team do as well as possible. When fans say "Engram sucks" or even something more hyperbolic, like "my 80-year-old grandmother could make catches that he drops!" that's not actually intended as a literal statement.

I just think you could probably assume that there's an unspoken acknowledgement that we all understand that even the players that fans tend to criticize are world-class athletes. I'm just not sure why we have to hand out the equivalent of participation trophies every time we criticize or even ridicule a player.


You can criticize them as much as you want, that s your privilege.

But I m friends with a few former professional athletes, NFL, MLB, I have too much regard for their ability to use ridicule as a form of criticism, that s my take.

You think that s ridiculous, that s your privilege as well.

RE: Tebow  
Jay on the Island : 5/10/2021 9:51 pm : link
In comment 15260155 CowboyHaters said:
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has more lives than a cat.

He’ll certainly have less drops than EE.

He won't have a single drop being that he won't make the team.
RE: RE: Awhile back, the Giants had a QB who switched to TE.  
Tuckrule : 5/11/2021 6:30 am : link
In comment 15260122 upnyg said:
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Then he went to another team and made a bunch of good plays against us. Anyone remember his name?


Logan Thomas


Somehow EE was a pro bowler over Thomas this past season. Another joke. Thomas looked so natural as a pass catcher. Underrated player IMO.
RE: Awhile back, the Giants had a QB who switched to TE.  
SomeFan : 5/11/2021 6:48 am : link
In comment 15260109 Marty in Albany said:
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Then he went to another team and made a bunch of good plays against us. Anyone remember his name?

Todd Christendom?
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SomeFan : 5/11/2021 6:50 am : link
In comment 15260309 SomeFan said:
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Then he went to another team and made a bunch of good plays against us. Anyone remember his name?


Todd Christendom?

Sorry for spelling. S/b Todd Christensen
Seems to me, Tebow has already demonstrated that he can't  
GeofromNJ : 5/11/2021 11:20 am : link
run routes or deceive defenders. He may not even be able to catch and hold onto the ball. I would be flabbergasted if he even makes the practice squad.
Curious what his primary role will be because it’s not going to be  
glowrider : 5/11/2021 11:44 am : link
A traditional in-line TE. I wonder if they’re thinking of him as a bigger Taysom Hill and put the ball in his hands a few times per game. And there’s no doubt he’s gonna be Urban’s guy in the locker room - could he be something of a liaison with Lawrence? The motivator and tone setter? Certainly there is the publicity factor.

If he makes it out of camp on merit, it would be impressive. If they bring in Kaep, they can kneel together and unite a nation.

#Duval
RE: Curious what his primary role will be because it’s not going to be  
Section331 : 5/11/2021 12:40 pm : link
In comment 15260612 glowrider said:
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A traditional in-line TE. I wonder if they’re thinking of him as a bigger Taysom Hill and put the ball in his hands a few times per game. And there’s no doubt he’s gonna be Urban’s guy in the locker room - could he be something of a liaison with Lawrence? The motivator and tone setter? Certainly there is the publicity factor.

If he makes it out of camp on merit, it would be impressive. If they bring in Kaep, they can kneel together and unite a nation.

#Duval


His primary role will to create media buzz. Mission accomplished.

This isn’t about him playing TE, because he won’t. He ran a 4.72 40 12 YEARS AGO. He’ll be 34, he hasn’t played in 8 years, and has never played TE. This is about generating buzz for a floundering team in a small market.
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FStubbs : 5/11/2021 1:59 pm : link
In comment 15260694 Section331 said:
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A traditional in-line TE. I wonder if they’re thinking of him as a bigger Taysom Hill and put the ball in his hands a few times per game. And there’s no doubt he’s gonna be Urban’s guy in the locker room - could he be something of a liaison with Lawrence? The motivator and tone setter? Certainly there is the publicity factor.

If he makes it out of camp on merit, it would be impressive. If they bring in Kaep, they can kneel together and unite a nation.

#Duval



His primary role will to create media buzz. Mission accomplished.

This isn’t about him playing TE, because he won’t. He ran a 4.72 40 12 YEARS AGO. He’ll be 34, he hasn’t played in 8 years, and has never played TE. This is about generating buzz for a floundering team in a small market.


If getting the top QB prospect in the last decade doesn't generate buzz, nothing will.
you're so right FStubbs.  
Victor in CT : 5/11/2021 2:18 pm : link
If getting Lawrence at QB AND Urban Meyer at HC doesn't create "buzz" then it's time to relocate.
Heath Miller, the longtime Steelers TE, started his college career at  
Greg from LI : 5/11/2021 2:40 pm : link
quarterback. He outgrew the position and was moved to TE, where he was an 11 year NFL starter, 2 time Pro Bowler, and a contributor to two championship teams.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/11/2021 2:58 pm : link
How long are people giving Urban before he quits? Two seasons? Three? He doesn't strike me as someone who will be roaming the Jags sideline come 2025 or so.
ugh  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/11/2021 3:53 pm : link
Virgil Greene is 32, 6'5, 255 and ran a 4.52 40 time and he's played tight end as recently as last year.

Tebow is 33, 6'3, 236, 4.71 40-time, and has never played tight end in his life and hasn't in the league since 2012.

His season ended to injury, but he's a free agent. Give me Virgil Green at Tight End over Tebow.

The top 5 tight ends in this draft class all ran a 4.65 or faster.

I don't see how this isn't anything than a publicity stunt and a chance to reunite with his old buddy rather than actually trying to put together the best possible team.
Thr nfl network coverage of the draft even noted that they had  
glowrider : 5/11/2021 4:36 pm : link
Nothing much to say regarding the pick of Lawrence to the Jags. Rich Eisen basically skipped right to the Jets.
Thought I read earlier that Jaguars don't need any extra buzz  
chick310 : 5/11/2021 5:20 pm : link
right now as ticket deposits are doing really well with new coach and Lawrence coming into town.

Couldn't the Tebow thing just be Meyer extending a favor to a former player of his, and a favorite. Particularly at a position the JAGS are pretty bad at right now?
I'm old enough to remember the writer George Plimpton....  
Fishmanjim57 : 5/12/2021 12:55 pm : link
Plimpton played in games in most of the major sports to get a player's point of view in his writing projects.
The whole Tebow fiasco seems to be as believable as Plimpton playing for the Detroit Lions.
I just think Tebow should leave sports entirely and just become a minister in a small town.
RE: Heath Miller, the longtime Steelers TE, started his college career at  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/12/2021 3:36 pm : link
In comment 15260849 Greg from LI said:
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quarterback. He outgrew the position and was moved to TE, where he was an 11 year NFL starter, 2 time Pro Bowler, and a contributor to two championship teams.

Awww, a UVa kid.
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