for the future with the young talent we have now plus 7 picks in the first 4 rounds next year (including two 1st’s). Gives us the chance to move up for just about any player or stay put and build up even more depth.
And worst case, Jones has a bad season and we can package up some picks to move up and select the next QB. Keep in mind even if Jones has a crappy third year and we draft another QB it’s not really cost ineffective to keep Jones for year 4 and let him compete with the new guy. He’s still on a rookie scale deal.
Exciting time to be a Giants fan.
You list Judge and Gettelman as topics of interest, well, didn't they just sign and draft a bunch of players? In such a team based sport isn't that something that should be interesting? Even if we had Mahomes, shouldn't we want to draft and sign players to help him?
You list Judge and Gettelman as topics of interest, well, didn't they just sign and draft a bunch of players? In such a team based sport isn't that something that should be interesting? Even if we had Mahomes, shouldn't we want to draft and sign players to help him?
If we had Mahomes I'd be all about talking about other issues.
We don't though. We have what I think is a huge minus at QB...as long as that minus is there I don't think much else is going to make a difference.
I think they've improved in drafting and FA since Judge got here, but I don't think that's going to result in more wins. Why?
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"mental gymnastics" is how I interpret any and every thread on this board derailing into the same song and dance about something completely out of any fans control.
You list Judge and Gettelman as topics of interest, well, didn't they just sign and draft a bunch of players? In such a team based sport isn't that something that should be interesting? Even if we had Mahomes, shouldn't we want to draft and sign players to help him?
If we had Mahomes I'd be all about talking about other issues.
We don't though. We have what I think is a huge minus at QB...as long as that minus is there I don't think much else is going to make a difference.
I think they've improved in drafting and FA since Judge got here, but I don't think that's going to result in more wins. Why?
Wait, you don't think Daniel Jones is going to be a good QB?
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To me the 21 season is really only about one thing: how is the club being run between Gettleman and Judge, and how will that be reflected in the 22 draft after Jones posts (I think - for the sensitive) another bad season?
Gettleman, Judge, Jones, draft picks. That's where my head's at because I'm not expecting a good season in the field.
The rest of us are expecting an improved season on the field, it is why you are experiencing more resistance than normal.
Do you have any self awareness at all? Do you realize that you come into every single positive thread people make and remind them that DG and Jones suck, btw Mara does too. So that hope they have, they should flush it down the toilet and join you in your misery.
It gets old and people are attacking you for it.
Expect whatever you want. I'm not telling you not to.
The vast majority of posts on this board are positive...many unrealistically so. There are plenty of threads about how good this team is going to be. I'm fully aware of those that don't agree with me. You can guess how much that bothers me.
That’s how most fan sites are. Majority are fan boys, then you have some negative posters, and some middle ground ones. The negative ones get all the attention from the fan boys.
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...than the constant declarations that anyone who is remotely critical is "shitting on the team".
Who has been "remotely critical?'
Remotely is the only way you can be critical.
Covid, you know...
Tip ya waitresses!
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...than the constant declarations that anyone who is remotely critical is "shitting on the team".
Who has been "remotely critical?'
"Shitting on the team" is ambiguous and not what I had in mimd when discussing these posters.
"Vomiting up the same narrative in the absence of any logic that combats prevailing opinions based on the entire status of the other personnel on the roster" is one I take exception to.
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It also brings out some strange arguments. For example, most posters seen to agree that this is a prove it year for Jones. But many are also arguing that he has played well to this point. I don't get that...if he has played well why does he have to prove anything?
More utter bullshit from you. What posters have said he has played well?
Agreed. But Terps has his Sambas on,his Umbros hiked up and he has a bunch of kids he is going to coach into not sucking.
Surely as a Giants fan and a 20 year contributor to BBI, that thought would have crossed your mind?
Jesus, you kept track of that. Man, it must be a eureka moment for you to finally be able to pull that detail out of your back pocket.
You list Judge and Gettelman as topics of interest, well, didn't they just sign and draft a bunch of players? In such a team based sport isn't that something that should be interesting? Even if we had Mahomes, shouldn't we want to draft and sign players to help him?
Mahomes certainly can't win a Super Bowl by himself; Super Bowl 55 was evidence of that. Without a good offensive line to keep him clean (including Mike Remmers, someone we cut after 2019 as their left tackle) the Buccaneers gave him trouble for the entire game; they actually set the record for most pressures by a single team.
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Can you? You say the same thing every single day
Okay, guilty. But for those of us who post here regularly, who doesn't basically say the same thing over and over on these topics?
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What a weird thing to come back with. I dont. There are plenty of others who discuss things and walk back their theories when confronted with better logic. I can mention names but choose not to. BB '56 is one that I see who does it regularly and yet doesnt mind me saying he does. There has been a ton of DJ fans that have given him a pass for '20 but are less likely to do that going forward.
This "woe is me" front you arr trying to shroud yourself in is pretty beat.
Calmly telling people that they're not "telling anyone what to think or expect..."
...after telling everyone what to think and what to expect.
Believing that coming into a room full of what they call fanboys (they have no respect for fanboys), who are talking about how good things look and telling them that their opinions are wrong and that the QB is and always will be, bad.
Then claiming to just be discussing the team or making the conversation less boring.
Which ultimately means...making the conversation about themselves.
And finally, claiming "both sides" and playing the victim.
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and just "yay, the Giants won the Superbowl, can you believe it?". Either Superbowl?
Surely as a Giants fan and a 20 year contributor to BBI, that thought would have crossed your mind?
Jesus, you kept track of that. Man, it must be a eureka moment for you to finally be able to pull that detail out of your back pocket.
Thays a silly take. Bw is one of the most frequent posters on the board and yet he was a ghost when we won the whole fucking thing. How do you not notice that kind of silence?
Show me Im wrong. Prove it.
The Giants have improved the roster dramatically
and he has enough talent around him now to succeed.
I'm betting he will.
This is true only if the OL improves significantly. Without a competent OL, we are going nowhere, and it will not be on DJ.
What doesn't help is thinking Terps is being "remotely critical." He's inventing scenarios that have not happened yet to make his arguments about Jones and the Giants, that run counter to basically every other point that he makes or player he wants to bring in instead.
But yeah, just because we want to hold bullshit posts accountable means we think he's "shitting on the team." Posters can shit on the team all they want. It's when they are hypocritical and lazy with their arguments, that gets me to respond. Saying things like "I don't think Daniel Jones is good" is perfectly fine with me. But when you say things like "He's 7-18 as a starter" (or whatever it is) - then you are just proving that you have no idea what you are talking about.
Football isn't a one man sport. It's not even a 5 man sport. If you aren't willing to wait for the draft picks to develop, for the coaching staff to get their feet wet for 10 minutes with this franchise, for the roster to improve around the QB to legitimately see what he can bring to the table, for free agency signings to come into
play, then I just don't know what to tell you. If you think Jones sucks after 24 starts on a mostly bad offense, then great, certainly within reason to have that opinion.
Everyone was up in their fucking arms about the Beckham trade and the Williams trade. The same people lost their collective shit when they picked Jones, hell some even did it with Dexter Lawrence and Andrew Thomas. Some think that Barkley doesn't help the team win games.
This is all to say that you really can't fix what some people perceive to be reality. We can sit and argue all day on a message board about the Gettleman Giants and how they've been taking 10 years to be good. But the reality is that they started over with a new quarterback, a new coach, and new players over the last 2 years, and for whatever reason, some fans are just ready to call it a day.
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and just "yay, the Giants won the Superbowl, can you believe it?". Either Superbowl?
Surely as a Giants fan and a 20 year contributor to BBI, that thought would have crossed your mind?
Jesus, you kept track of that. Man, it must be a eureka moment for you to finally be able to pull that detail out of your back pocket.
Thays a silly take. Bw is one of the most frequent posters on the board and yet he was a ghost when we won the whole fucking thing. How do you not notice that kind of silence?
Show me Im wrong. Prove it.
I don't know man. Maybe it's me because I'm incapable of remembering who didn't post on a football message board 13 years ago.
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and just "yay, the Giants won the Superbowl, can you believe it?". Either Superbowl?
Surely as a Giants fan and a 20 year contributor to BBI, that thought would have crossed your mind?
Jesus, you kept track of that. Man, it must be a eureka moment for you to finally be able to pull that detail out of your back pocket.
Thays a silly take. Bw is one of the most frequent posters on the board and yet he was a ghost when we won the whole fucking thing. How do you not notice that kind of silence?
Show me Im wrong. Prove it.
Sometimes people post on the forums to vent, and when things are going well, they're enjoying the ride so they aren't posting as much.
I hope Weather Man comes back to post one day but fearful of all the shit who would get if he did.
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and just "yay, the Giants won the Superbowl, can you believe it?". Either Superbowl?
Surely as a Giants fan and a 20 year contributor to BBI, that thought would have crossed your mind?
Jesus, you kept track of that. Man, it must be a eureka moment for you to finally be able to pull that detail out of your back pocket.
Thays a silly take. Bw is one of the most frequent posters on the board and yet he was a ghost when we won the whole fucking thing. How do you not notice that kind of silence?
Show me Im wrong. Prove it.
I could be wrong, but I think that you took a fairly extended absence form here.
I hope Weather Man comes back to post one day but fearful of all the shit who would get if he did.
Why would Weatherman get shit?
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and sometimes real life gets int he way of fake life.
I hope Weather Man comes back to post one day but fearful of all the shit who would get if he did.
Why would Weatherman get shit?
For being absent for a period of time.
Oddly, Terps was one of the guys I looked forward to reading before my hiatus.
I'm sure that we'll get back there soon.
Calmly telling people that they're not "telling anyone what to think or expect..."
...after telling everyone what to think and what to expect.
Believing that coming into a room full of what they call fanboys (they have no respect for fanboys), who are talking about how good things look and telling them that their opinions are wrong and that the QB is and always will be, bad.
Then claiming to just be discussing the team or making the conversation less boring.
Which ultimately means...making the conversation about themselves.
And finally, claiming "both sides" and playing the victim.
The self-awareness issue is actually yours. Those posters don't do what you are suggesting. In fact, they typically become the conversation because so many here want to argue specifically with them and it becomes the drama.
Oddly, Terps was one of the guys I looked forward to reading before my hiatus.
I'm sure that we'll get back there soon.
Anybody give you shit for it?
Seems that there was one tick-turd that claimed I was a dupe.
Don't remember who that was.
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...than the constant declarations that anyone who is remotely critical is "shitting on the team".
Who has been "remotely critical?'
"Shitting on the team" is ambiguous and not what I had in mimd when discussing these posters.
"Vomiting up the same narrative in the absence of any logic that combats prevailing opinions based on the entire status of the other personnel on the roster" is one I take exception to.
If you take exception then why engage and refer to them directly as "dip shits" no less like you did earlier.
You're looking to only pick a fight and rip into them.
A few of these guys go overboard with the Jones narrative in my view but its the opposition that actually hijacks and ruins threads, not them.
It is what all NFL franchises need. I think the HC is more important in football than other sports. A NFL QB might be the most important single position in all of team sports. Maybe Hockey goalie? Maybe.
If you get those 2 things right you have shot every year.
It is what all NFL franchises need. I think the HC is more important in football than other sports. A NFL QB might be the most important single position in all of team sports. Maybe Hockey goalie? Maybe.
If you get those 2 things right you have shot every year.
Jones developing his game in 2021 would be like a double-bonus as the Giants would have their guy at QB and all those extra picks to continue to upgrade the roster on both sides of the ball.
It is unreasonable, IMO, to say what Jones is/isn't/or ever will be at this juncture. It is incomplete.
Do you know how many great players in NFL history wouldn't exist if they were written off after two seasons?
The way I see it, both positions have validity and historical examples to back them up. Yes, there are QBs who eventually emerged from poor starts, conquered their deficiencies, and became great. There are also QBs who showed glaring flaws early and never transcended them.
We don't know which Jones will be. However, I'm glad that if season 3 provides evidence that he's the latter, the Giants seem to now be in position to move on to a potentially more promising prospect in 2022.
Every game thread I see, if a Giant scores on a big play, there are about 25 posts saying something like "CRUUUUUUUUZ!!!!" or "LET'S GOOOOOOO!!!!!!" or "YEEAAAAHHHHH!!!" I've never thought to add such a comment myself, and I hope that doesn't mean that in the historical BBI register I've revealed myself to be someone who doesn't like these big plays.
But I’ll drop it.
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season by these standards. Baker Mayfield, too.
Both were in the playoffs in their 3rd season.
I don't know why anybody would have written off Josh Allen at all. He has been the model for what you want out of a developing QB in each of his first 3 seasons.
Yeah, that's a mystery to me too. Allen wasn't drafted as a sure-fire pro-ready QB who could be effective immediately. He had known warts/concerns as a prospect and improved upon them measurably in season 2 and especially season 3.
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It also brings out some strange arguments. For example, most posters seen to agree that this is a prove it year for Jones. But many are also arguing that he has played well to this point. I don't get that...if he has played well why does he have to prove anything?
More utter bullshit from you. What posters have said he has played well?
Ha! Are you seriously trying to say that no one has said he played well his rookie year, or invoked it as a glimpse of how awesome Jones can be?
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...simply one of self-awareness.
Calmly telling people that they're not "telling anyone what to think or expect..."
...after telling everyone what to think and what to expect.
Believing that coming into a room full of what they call fanboys (they have no respect for fanboys), who are talking about how good things look and telling them that their opinions are wrong and that the QB is and always will be, bad.
Then claiming to just be discussing the team or making the conversation less boring.
Which ultimately means...making the conversation about themselves.
And finally, claiming "both sides" and playing the victim.
The self-awareness issue is actually yours. Those posters don't do what you are suggesting. In fact, they typically become the conversation because so many here want to argue specifically with them and it becomes the drama.
The self-awareness issue is actually yours. Those posters don't do what you are suggesting. In fact, they typically become the conversation because so many here want to argue specifically with them and it becomes the drama.
Thanks.
It's often true though. I mean, I'm sure Chopperhatch honestly believes that Terps constantly brags about his anti-Beckham stance being vindicated, but I personally haven't seen that... maybe just a few mentions once in a blue moon. It's like the people who believe there's a War on Christmas.
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The self-awareness issue is actually yours. Those posters don't do what you are suggesting. In fact, they typically become the conversation because so many here want to argue specifically with them and it becomes the drama.
Thanks.
It's often true though. I mean, I'm sure Chopperhatch honestly believes that Terps constantly brags about his anti-Beckham stance being vindicated, but I personally haven't seen that... maybe just a few mentions once in a blue moon. It's like the people who believe there's a War on Christmas.
I haven't seen it either. Yes, it has been mentioned but never in a bragging sense. Moreso in just reasonably displaying that he has some common sense in reading situations well in the past while defending himself from a current attack.
As mentioned earlier, a couple of guys here go very hard on Jones, Gettleman and few other NYG'isms, sometimes even overboard. So some backlash should be expected and even accepted. But the masses that form in these threads to try and shut anti-Giant talk like that down is borderline insane. Some try to do it rationally, but way too many make it a personal vendetta and lose their minds or just likely do so to activate themselves into a thread.
Either way, in my view they are the true hijackers. The hot takes in a thread are always going to be prevalent to some degree. And hot takes go both ways...positive and negative.
The jury is out. Optimists will hope. Pessimists will fear. The camps will divide...to the victor the spoils of war.
I remember when I used to think bw was serious...good days in the pollyanna fanclub. Still glad he's back. Much easier to read than Eeyore.
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In comment 15260989 Greg from LI said:
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...than the constant declarations that anyone who is remotely critical is "shitting on the team".
Who has been "remotely critical?'
"Shitting on the team" is ambiguous and not what I had in mimd when discussing these posters.
"Vomiting up the same narrative in the absence of any logic that combats prevailing opinions based on the entire status of the other personnel on the roster" is one I take exception to.
If you take exception then why engage and refer to them directly as "dip shits" no less like you did earlier.
You're looking to only pick a fight and rip into them.
A few of these guys go overboard with the Jones narrative in my view but its the opposition that actually hijacks and ruins threads, not them.
That’s all he does, follow them around threads and name calls. Your typical online tough guy. Then a few others follow them around, and have the same arguments. Now remembering posts from years ago, lol wow.
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The self-awareness issue is actually yours. Those posters don't do what you are suggesting. In fact, they typically become the conversation because so many here want to argue specifically with them and it becomes the drama.
Thanks.
It's often true though. I mean, I'm sure Chopperhatch honestly believes that Terps constantly brags about his anti-Beckham stance being vindicated, but I personally haven't seen that... maybe just a few mentions once in a blue moon. It's like the people who believe there's a War on Christmas.
I haven't seen it either. Yes, it has been mentioned but never in a bragging sense. Moreso in just reasonably displaying that he has some common sense in reading situations well in the past while defending himself from a current attack.
As mentioned earlier, a couple of guys here go very hard on Jones, Gettleman and few other NYG'isms, sometimes even overboard. So some backlash should be expected and even accepted. But the masses that form in these threads to try and shut anti-Giant talk like that down is borderline insane. Some try to do it rationally, but way too many make it a personal vendetta and lose their minds or just likely do so to activate themselves into a thread.
Either way, in my view they are the true hijackers. The hot takes in a thread are always going to be prevalent to some degree. And hot takes go both ways...positive and negative.
I’m not sure that the best way to fight back against a perceived myth is to create on of your own.
The reason is because he is our QB, I could not care less about proving posters wrong...who cares!
Go get a playoff season. love the coach, the D could be very good.