All were vaccinated which just makes this bizarre. If the efficacy of the vaccines are 95%, what are the odds that 5 vaccinated coaches all contracted Covid!? Must be like winning the lottery. Heyman - ( New Window )
most cases in NYC right now are from a NYC-home-grown variant. I haven't heard how well the variant is susceptible to the vaccines. Most variants are susceptible but not to the same degree as the wild type.
Either the coaches somehow avoided getting the shots while being certified (not likely, but not impossible), or more likely, a variant, possibly the 3.1.351:
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However, the researchers found that B.1.351 accounted for 5.4% of breakthrough infections among people who had received both doses and just 0.7% of the infections among unvaccinated people. "This means that the [B.1.351] variant is able, to some extent, to break through the vaccine's protection," Stern said.
Either the coaches somehow avoided getting the shots while being certified (not likely, but not impossible), or more likely, a variant, possibly the 3.1.351:
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However, the researchers found that B.1.351 accounted for 5.4% of breakthrough infections among people who had received both doses and just 0.7% of the infections among unvaccinated people. "This means that the [B.1.351] variant is able, to some extent, to break through the vaccine's protection," Stern said.
How well Covid-19 vaccines work against variants
Three vaccines show promise against COVID variants
Possible. That's the most serious of the variants. But, it's pretty low prevalence in the US right now (~1% in the whole US)>
Also possible that the test is a false positive. My nephew works for the NFL and at first tested positive. Was retested and it came back negative. ( this was before vaccines.
Imagine if some idiot reporter jumped the gun and will result in a bunch of people not getting vaccinated because he/she doesn't trust the vaccine. What a fucking moron.
the others are pending. That's apparently from Boone within the last half hour or so.
If five of them really are positive (not just testing positive, but actually positive) despite being vaccinated, well, unless they got a bum batch, that would be very concerning for all of us.
these types of viruses are like the common cold or flu. They just keep mutating and the vaccines eventually don’t work. The Spanish flu took like 2-3 years to fully dissipate. This will likely be the same way.
should have issued full-on apologies. The rush to be first is part of reporting but a story like this? What's the upside? "Woah did you see Heyman reported Yankee coaches have Covid!" this isn't Mike Trout being traded.
But whoever falsely jumped the gun might have blood on his hands if it causes people to lose trust in the vaccine. What an utter POS.
Jon Heyman on Twitter. I thought this was a really cavalier way to treat a huge story. If it’s one coach and it’s J&J (65% effective at blocking the virus) that’s different than 5 coaches and Pfizer (>95 efficacy). The primary benefit of J&J is blocking serious effects. So if he’s asymptotic, that’s good news.
But whoever falsely jumped the gun might have blood on his hands if it causes people to lose trust in the vaccine. What an utter POS.
Jon Heyman on Twitter. I thought this was a really cavalier way to treat a huge story. If it’s one coach and it’s J&J (65% effective at blocking the virus) that’s different than 5 coaches and Pfizer (>95 efficacy). The primary benefit of J&J is blocking serious effects. So if he’s asymptotic, that’s good news.
One misconception on the different efficiencies is that when J&J was being tested at least three variants were active in places where trials were going on. Pfizer and Moderna only faced the original, which is what the vaccines were programmed for.
There's no confirmation that it was anyone but Nevin yet it looks like
“We have a few other staff, coaches that are still pending and we don’t have confirmation on but one, one coach,” Boone said. “Phil is tested positive and will definitely be out.” Link - ( New Window )
It's possible that Nevin and Willits got exposed to a massive amount of viral particles which overwhelmed the ability of the J&J vaccine to protect them, or they may have been exposed to a variant which the J&J vaccine is not as effective against. There's really no way to tell with the info available to us at this point.
Also JJ was only 72 in original trial but what makes it so important is that you don’t have those pesky deaths after getting it. So yea you may still get sick but it’s going to be more analogous to a regular case of flu in worst case scenarios.
Again, if you get vaccinated, it doesn't mean you can't contract COVID. It just means you're odds of ending up in a hospital on a ventilator are the same as mine beating LeBron in a game of one on one.
Glyber already had COVID in January. Its my understanding that there is only a handful of cases on the planet of individuals being reinfected with COVID in less than 6 months even without a vax. The chances of Glyber and 6 coaches being infected WITH a vax are practically nil.
Either the tests were botched, or the vaccinations were botched. Whether MLB or the Yankees are responsible or not, this could get ugly.
Glyber already had COVID in January. Its my understanding that there is only a handful of cases on the planet of individuals being reinfected with COVID in less than 6 months even without a vax. The chances of Glyber and 6 coaches being infected WITH a vax are practically nil.
Either the tests were botched, or the vaccinations were botched. Whether MLB or the Yankees are responsible or not, this could get ugly.
You can get the flu with the flu shot. You can get covid with the covid shot. In both cases you have very reduced symptoms. That is the main purpose of the vaccine.
These shots are brand new. They rushed to get the main virus eliminated. They did not have time for variants which were really rare. I suspect when the boosters come out, the variants will be included.
But you will still be able to get the virus, just with minimal symptoms.
Glyber already had COVID in January. Its my understanding that there is only a handful of cases on the planet of individuals being reinfected with COVID in less than 6 months even without a vax. The chances of Glyber and 6 coaches being infected WITH a vax are practically nil.
Either the tests were botched, or the vaccinations were botched. Whether MLB or the Yankees are responsible or not, this could get ugly.
You can get the flu with the flu shot. You can get covid with the covid shot. In both cases you have very reduced symptoms. That is the main purpose of the vaccine.
These shots are brand new. They rushed to get the main virus eliminated. They did not have time for variants which were really rare. I suspect when the boosters come out, the variants will be included.
But you will still be able to get the virus, just with minimal symptoms.
The efficacy of these vaccines has been confirmed with tens of millions of people around the world. 95% efficacy doesn't mean you have a 5% chance of getting the virus. It means you have a 5% probability as compared to individuals who are unvaccinated. So if in the United States an unvaccinated person has about a 4% chance of becoming infected ( actually I think its less ) then a vaccinated person has a .2% chance of becoming infected, variants and all. Granted J & J is not a good as Pfizer/Moderna but you're still talking a low number. The chances of 7 Yankees being among this low percentage, including one who already had COVID defies probability. Something is not right here.
My had the Pfizer vaccine and still tested positive 3 months
Hope everyone involved has minimal/no symptoms and is back on the bench asap.
Variants?
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Sounds like they had the J&J a month ago.
How well Covid-19 vaccines work against variants
Three vaccines show promise against COVID variants
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However, the researchers found that B.1.351 accounted for 5.4% of breakthrough infections among people who had received both doses and just 0.7% of the infections among unvaccinated people. "This means that the [B.1.351] variant is able, to some extent, to break through the vaccine's protection," Stern said.
How well Covid-19 vaccines work against variants
Three vaccines show promise against COVID variants
Possible. That's the most serious of the variants. But, it's pretty low prevalence in the US right now (~1% in the whole US)>
If five of them really are positive (not just testing positive, but actually positive) despite being vaccinated, well, unless they got a bum batch, that would be very concerning for all of us.
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Jon Heyman on Twitter. I thought this was a really cavalier way to treat a huge story. If it’s one coach and it’s J&J (65% effective at blocking the virus) that’s different than 5 coaches and Pfizer (>95 efficacy). The primary benefit of J&J is blocking serious effects. So if he’s asymptotic, that’s good news.
Yes, I know ESPN is hardly a beacon.
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But whoever falsely jumped the gun might have blood on his hands if it causes people to lose trust in the vaccine. What an utter POS.
Jon Heyman on Twitter. I thought this was a really cavalier way to treat a huge story. If it’s one coach and it’s J&J (65% effective at blocking the virus) that’s different than 5 coaches and Pfizer (>95 efficacy). The primary benefit of J&J is blocking serious effects. So if he’s asymptotic, that’s good news.
One misconception on the different efficiencies is that when J&J was being tested at least three variants were active in places where trials were going on. Pfizer and Moderna only faced the original, which is what the vaccines were programmed for.
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66% effective preventing infection
85% effective preventing severe illness
100% effective preventing hospitalization or death
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Is J&J garbage at actually preventing illness? Link - ( New Window )
66% effective preventing infection
85% effective preventing severe illness
100% effective preventing hospitalization or death
Thanks. I have Moderna anyway. It had better numbers but was tested at a different time.
Also JJ was only 72 in original trial but what makes it so important is that you don’t have those pesky deaths after getting it. So yea you may still get sick but it’s going to be more analogous to a regular case of flu in worst case scenarios.
Either the tests were botched, or the vaccinations were botched. Whether MLB or the Yankees are responsible or not, this could get ugly.
Either the tests were botched, or the vaccinations were botched. Whether MLB or the Yankees are responsible or not, this could get ugly.
You can get the flu with the flu shot. You can get covid with the covid shot. In both cases you have very reduced symptoms. That is the main purpose of the vaccine.
These shots are brand new. They rushed to get the main virus eliminated. They did not have time for variants which were really rare. I suspect when the boosters come out, the variants will be included.
But you will still be able to get the virus, just with minimal symptoms.
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Glyber already had COVID in January. Its my understanding that there is only a handful of cases on the planet of individuals being reinfected with COVID in less than 6 months even without a vax. The chances of Glyber and 6 coaches being infected WITH a vax are practically nil.
Either the tests were botched, or the vaccinations were botched. Whether MLB or the Yankees are responsible or not, this could get ugly.
You can get the flu with the flu shot. You can get covid with the covid shot. In both cases you have very reduced symptoms. That is the main purpose of the vaccine.
These shots are brand new. They rushed to get the main virus eliminated. They did not have time for variants which were really rare. I suspect when the boosters come out, the variants will be included.
But you will still be able to get the virus, just with minimal symptoms.
My mom had absolutely zero symptoms
Need to stop acting like all positive tests are equal. They’re not.
The vaccine did its job