Larry Brooks
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BREAKING: Rangers have dismissed David Quinn, Post has learned. Assistants other than Benoit Allaire also let go by Drury. Search will begin immediately.
Who has the same effect on the team as Trots did upon taking the job with the Islanders. Should be a piece of cake. Working for Dolan is just another perk. Free Optimum.
the team doesn't look professional or prepared too often, and it seemed clear the veterans were not following his lead. The problem now is are we gonna wind up with a retread.
Who has the same effect on the team as Trots did upon taking the job with the Islanders. Should be a piece of cake. Working for Dolan is just another perk. Free Optimum.
All we need is Joel Quenneville without having access to the actual Joel Quenneville.
I feel bad because Quinn seemed like an awesome guy and he was way more likable than Torts and AV, but yeah, the guy was just in over his head. He's a good guy. I wish him well.
actually have a role here? I ask because he seems to have butted in a lot lately, and that's weird no matter what transpires here over the next few weeks, and REALLY fucking weird if he's never hired for any official role.
so I don't think Knoblauch will be a consideration. I've said it for months, but I Gerard Gallant is by far my #1 choice. He has a proven track record, he helps develop young players and his teams are gritty and hard to play against. Gallant himself was a pain in the fucking ass when he was on the Red Wings. I'm sure Sather will love that.
Other guys I think the Rangers will look at:
Rick Tocchet (ehhhh)
Bruce Boudreau (fuck that fat fuck)
Claude Julien (probably my second choice after Gallant)
Mike Babcock (no thank you)
Bob Hartley (no thank you)
Patrick Roy (no)
Torts (no)
The Rangers played their best under the Hartford coaches!:) I was afraid Quinn's connection to Drury might give him another year,but I'm glad Drury realized they need an experienced coach behind the bench!
RE: I think they're almost definitely going to hire a veteran coach
so I don't think Knoblauch will be a consideration. I've said it for months, but I Gerard Gallant is by far my #1 choice. He has a proven track record, he helps develop young players and his teams are gritty and hard to play against. Gallant himself was a pain in the fucking ass when he was on the Red Wings. I'm sure Sather will love that.
Other guys I think the Rangers will look at:
Rick Tocchet (ehhhh)
Bruce Boudreau (fuck that fat fuck)
Claude Julien (probably my second choice after Gallant)
Mike Babcock (no thank you)
Bob Hartley (no thank you)
Patrick Roy (no)
Torts (no)
Sounds like you have a good handle on this. Can you elaborate on why you think what you think on these guys? Are there others that you think may be in the mix?
If you look through my hockey posts (which no one will nor do I believe I’m important enough for anyone to care lol), but I’ve been calling for Quinn to be out for a while, not because I think he’s a terrible coach or anything, but they need a more experienced coach to the take them to the next level. The talent is there, with more on the way.
To me, Julien makes the most sense. Tortorella is too polarizing and I don’t see him as a good fit with the youth on this team. Julien focuses on defensive structure and strength up the middle, going right along with what we believe the next phase of Rangers hockey is going to resemble. In Boston he had the personnel to make that work, Rangers need an upgrade in that area, which I think will obviously be the focus this offseason. Gallant is another good choice, though I honestly don’t know as much about him. I’ve heard Habs fans complain about Julien’s lineup decisions, but I think we will always hear that from every fan of every coach.
I met Quinn at a CVS near the team hotel in Boston. I walked up and introduced myself and said "Let's Go Rangers" and wished him well that night. He stopped and talked hockey for 5-10 mins. Great guy. I wish him well.
I'm a big fan of Knoblauch but I agree I don't think he gets the job.
Of the guys on Anak's list I'm not enamored with any of them.
Maybe Tocchet. I like the idea of Gallant BUT the way he's been fired has been bizarre. Makes me think there's something very very wrong with him. So that gives me some pause
Seemed to play best hockey when Knoblauch was the Head Coach. They don't necessarily need another retread. Look how Toronto improved with Sheldon Keefe in place of Babcock. Surround Knoblauch with good assistants and I think it will work out for the Rangers.
waiting is this long to hire coach is hurting his team.
Basically the Kraken had their choice of coaches.
Now, if I'm Gallant or Julien (or any of these guys really) I'd take the Rangers job over Seattle - probably CBJ too - even MTL depending on what happens with Ducharme.
Gallant has proven he can win with an expansion team, so been there done that, and I can't imagine Julien is that interested in an expansion team. but who knows - when you have the only job opening people are more interested than when they have options.
Now, along with CBJ, ARI, MTL (HC is interim), NYR, and who knows who else in the next few days, Francis not hiring a coach hurts their options IMO.
I can't say I have any idea what Drury would value in a coach
waiting is this long to hire coach is hurting his team.
Basically the Kraken had their choice of coaches.
Now, if I'm Gallant or Julien (or any of these guys really) I'd take the Rangers job over Seattle - probably CBJ too - even MTL depending on what happens with Ducharme.
Gallant has proven he can win with an expansion team, so been there done that, and I can't imagine Julien is that interested in an expansion team. but who knows - when you have the only job opening people are more interested than when they have options.
Now, along with CBJ, ARI, MTL (HC is interim), NYR, and who knows who else in the next few days, Francis not hiring a coach hurts their options IMO.
I disagree about where you rank the Rangers. They may have more talent than the other teams, but NY media market plus a competitive division are disincentives. As long as Crosby and Ovechkin are still around and the Islanders are in their window (which is closing unless they can improve their offense) you are competing with Philly for 4th place.
The Caps top 4 scorers are 33, 31, 34, and 35. Yes, Ovie is a machine, but they aren't all going to avoid the inevitable declines of age. Same thing with Crosby and Malkin on the Pens. The truncated season was a boon to veteran teams this year, but what happens when they play 82 again?
if I'm a prospective head coach and see a roster with Lafreniere, Kakko, Fox, Miller, Panarin, Trouba, Zibanejad, Kreider, Lindgren, Shesterkin, etc.
I don't get scared of 34 year old Sidney Crosby, 35 year old Evgeni Malkin and 36 year old Alex Ovechkin.
Rangers *should* be contenders in short order.
And I don't think I rank any of the other openings ahead of the NYR job unless there was some hook - like my hometown is Columbus or Seattle, or I coached at Arizona State - something like that would be needed. Maybe MTL if it opens up, but again you need a hook.
Montreal is a job coaches shun because of the media (or if you don't speak French - morons) - not the Rangers IMO - though the NYR media is probably second or third toughest - Toronto pretty bad too.
is relevant when you are talking about hockey. The bigger disincentive would be the guy signing your paychecks.
The roster undeniably has some talent and it would be an appealing place to land. An owner with patience would see that in few years the dynamics of the division are changing with Crosby and Ovechkin getting long in the tooth. The question is, does the owner understand that?
If you look through my hockey posts (which no one will nor do I believe I’m important enough for anyone to care lol), but I’ve been calling for Quinn to be out for a while, not because I think he’s a terrible coach or anything, but they need a more experienced coach to the take them to the next level. The talent is there, with more on the way.
To me, Julien makes the most sense. Tortorella is too polarizing and I don’t see him as a good fit with the youth on this team. Julien focuses on defensive structure and strength up the middle, going right along with what we believe the next phase of Rangers hockey is going to resemble. In Boston he had the personnel to make that work, Rangers need an upgrade in that area, which I think will obviously be the focus this offseason. Gallant is another good choice, though I honestly don’t know as much about him. I’ve heard Habs fans complain about Julien’s lineup decisions, but I think we will always hear that from every fan of every coach.
Knowing players who have played for Julien, I do not see that as a good choice.
perhaps? Has tremendous experience as a player, 3 years has Carolina head coach and several years serving under Claude Julien in an assistant coach role.
waiting is this long to hire coach is hurting his team.
Basically the Kraken had their choice of coaches.
Now, if I'm Gallant or Julien (or any of these guys really) I'd take the Rangers job over Seattle - probably CBJ too - even MTL depending on what happens with Ducharme.
Gallant has proven he can win with an expansion team, so been there done that, and I can't imagine Julien is that interested in an expansion team. but who knows - when you have the only job opening people are more interested than when they have options.
Now, along with CBJ, ARI, MTL (HC is interim), NYR, and who knows who else in the next few days, Francis not hiring a coach hurts their options IMO.
I have no idea why Ron Franchis hasn't hired a coach yet. He has the perfect option in Gallant sitting at home for months and he still hasn't hired a coach yet.
waiting is this long to hire coach is hurting his team.
Basically the Kraken had their choice of coaches.
Now, if I'm Gallant or Julien (or any of these guys really) I'd take the Rangers job over Seattle - probably CBJ too - even MTL depending on what happens with Ducharme.
Gallant has proven he can win with an expansion team, so been there done that, and I can't imagine Julien is that interested in an expansion team. but who knows - when you have the only job opening people are more interested than when they have options.
Now, along with CBJ, ARI, MTL (HC is interim), NYR, and who knows who else in the next few days, Francis not hiring a coach hurts their options IMO.
I have no idea why Ron Franchis hasn't hired a coach yet. He has the perfect option in Gallant sitting at home for months and he still hasn't hired a coach yet.
Maybe Gallant isn't well liked among the league and that is why he was fired from Las Vegas despite taking an expansion team to Stanley Cup. Perhaps Ron Francis has eyes on a current NHL assistant coach and did not want to hire during the season.
waiting is this long to hire coach is hurting his team.
Basically the Kraken had their choice of coaches.
Now, if I'm Gallant or Julien (or any of these guys really) I'd take the Rangers job over Seattle - probably CBJ too - even MTL depending on what happens with Ducharme.
Gallant has proven he can win with an expansion team, so been there done that, and I can't imagine Julien is that interested in an expansion team. but who knows - when you have the only job opening people are more interested than when they have options.
Now, along with CBJ, ARI, MTL (HC is interim), NYR, and who knows who else in the next few days, Francis not hiring a coach hurts their options IMO.
I have no idea why Ron Franchis hasn't hired a coach yet. He has the perfect option in Gallant sitting at home for months and he still hasn't hired a coach yet.
Gallant doesn't have a job right now, my comment was more about Francis than Gallant.
And don't assistants get hired in season to start with their new tea,m after their season ends often? it seems like it to me at least, so I'd be surprised if that's the hold up and waiting only hurts the Kraken IMO as more jobs potentially open up.
about Knoblauch as a coach, but if that's the 3-game sample being referred to I think it's good to remember that Drury is the one who hired Knoblauch to coach Hartford. Drury was GM of the Wolfpack in addition to his Rangers assistant GM role.
So, the knee jerk reaction would be to think the decision was based off a 3-game sample since Drury knows him well (if Knoblauch is hired to be HC which I don't think he will be)
Successful coach, but like Torts, seems to wear out his welcome fairly quickly.
Yes, we want a guy who knows how to coach professional hockey. We also need someone who is a teacher and can bring these young kids along in their development. Based on his history, neither Gallant nor Torts are that guy.
about Knoblauch as a coach, but if that's the 3-game sample being referred to I think it's good to remember that Drury is the one who hired Knoblauch to coach Hartford. Drury was GM of the Wolfpack in addition to his Rangers assistant GM role.
So, the knee jerk reaction would be to think the decision was based off a 3-game sample since Drury knows him well (if Knoblauch is hired to be HC which I don't think he will be)
I'm not suggesting Drury will based his decisions on 3 games. My comment was with respect to those playing along at home.
Knoblauch may very well be an excellent coach. But his three game stretch during Quinn's Covid protocol isn't the reason he should or should not get the job.
about Knoblauch as a coach, but if that's the 3-game sample being referred to I think it's good to remember that Drury is the one who hired Knoblauch to coach Hartford. Drury was GM of the Wolfpack in addition to his Rangers assistant GM role.
So, the knee jerk reaction would be to think the decision was based off a 3-game sample since Drury knows him well (if Knoblauch is hired to be HC which I don't think he will be)
I'm not suggesting Drury will based his decisions on 3 games. My comment was with respect to those playing along at home.
Knoblauch may very well be an excellent coach. But his three game stretch during Quinn's Covid protocol isn't the reason he should or should not get the job.
Oh yeah, of course not. lol. Hopefully no one thinks that.
for the last 3 losses to the Islanders. The Rangers were never chasing Boston, not with the two games they had in hand. Those last 3 Islander games were essentially playoff games and we got swept. We missed the playoffs by 6pts right behind the Islanders.
Maybe Gallant isn't well liked among the league and that is why he was fired from Las Vegas despite taking an expansion team to Stanley Cup. Perhaps Ron Francis has eyes on a current NHL assistant coach and did not want to hire during the season.
Fine if he doesn't like Gallant there are plenty of other options. They could have hired an assistant coach of a current playoff team now. I am pretty sure that the rules aren't like the NFL.
Rick Bennett, current head coach at Union College:
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Bennett's accomplishments in Schenectady are nothing short of amazing: one NCAA Div. I National Championship, two Frozen Four appearances, four NCAA Tournament berths, three Whitelaw Cups and three Cleary Cups. He has also coached nine players to 11 All-America honors: Mike Vecchione (2016-17), Spencer Foo (2016-17), Daniel Ciampini (2014-15), Shayne Gostisbehere (2012-13, 2013-14), Mat Bodie (2012-13, 2013-14), Daniel Carr (2013-14), Colin Stevens (2013-14), Jeremy Welsh (2011-12), and Troy Grosenick (2011-12).
He also has Ranger ties, was a player for the team 15 games 1989-92, and had a professional career for 10 years. His teams at Union always seem to play tough and agressive, and have done very well.
Rikard Gronborg - Highly though of HC Swiss team and Assistant HC of the Swedish national team. Had success everywhere he's been. Former defenseman. Youngish. May bring fresh ideas to the table. Bonus points for facial hair.
Todd Nelson - Youngish assistant for the Dallas Stars. Former defenseman. Bonus points for facial hair.
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BREAKING: Rangers have dismissed David Quinn, Post has learned. Assistants other than Benoit Allaire also let go by Drury. Search will begin immediately.
Agree. I'm not one of the hockey mavens on BBI but I did not see a well-coached team.
All we need is Joel Quenneville without having access to the actual Joel Quenneville.
Other guys I think the Rangers will look at:
Rick Tocchet (ehhhh)
Bruce Boudreau (fuck that fat fuck)
Claude Julien (probably my second choice after Gallant)
Mike Babcock (no thank you)
Bob Hartley (no thank you)
Patrick Roy (no)
Torts (no)
Other guys I think the Rangers will look at:
Rick Tocchet (ehhhh)
Bruce Boudreau (fuck that fat fuck)
Claude Julien (probably my second choice after Gallant)
Mike Babcock (no thank you)
Bob Hartley (no thank you)
Patrick Roy (no)
Torts (no)
Sounds like you have a good handle on this. Can you elaborate on why you think what you think on these guys? Are there others that you think may be in the mix?
To me, Julien makes the most sense. Tortorella is too polarizing and I don’t see him as a good fit with the youth on this team. Julien focuses on defensive structure and strength up the middle, going right along with what we believe the next phase of Rangers hockey is going to resemble. In Boston he had the personnel to make that work, Rangers need an upgrade in that area, which I think will obviously be the focus this offseason. Gallant is another good choice, though I honestly don’t know as much about him. I’ve heard Habs fans complain about Julien’s lineup decisions, but I think we will always hear that from every fan of every coach.
Of the guys on Anak's list I'm not enamored with any of them.
Maybe Tocchet. I like the idea of Gallant BUT the way he's been fired has been bizarre. Makes me think there's something very very wrong with him. So that gives me some pause
Basically the Kraken had their choice of coaches.
Now, if I'm Gallant or Julien (or any of these guys really) I'd take the Rangers job over Seattle - probably CBJ too - even MTL depending on what happens with Ducharme.
Gallant has proven he can win with an expansion team, so been there done that, and I can't imagine Julien is that interested in an expansion team. but who knows - when you have the only job opening people are more interested than when they have options.
Now, along with CBJ, ARI, MTL (HC is interim), NYR, and who knows who else in the next few days, Francis not hiring a coach hurts their options IMO.
I know the team looked very good in Knoblauch's brief stint, but what can you really take from a handful of games?
Basically the Kraken had their choice of coaches.
Now, if I'm Gallant or Julien (or any of these guys really) I'd take the Rangers job over Seattle - probably CBJ too - even MTL depending on what happens with Ducharme.
Gallant has proven he can win with an expansion team, so been there done that, and I can't imagine Julien is that interested in an expansion team. but who knows - when you have the only job opening people are more interested than when they have options.
Now, along with CBJ, ARI, MTL (HC is interim), NYR, and who knows who else in the next few days, Francis not hiring a coach hurts their options IMO.
I disagree about where you rank the Rangers. They may have more talent than the other teams, but NY media market plus a competitive division are disincentives. As long as Crosby and Ovechkin are still around and the Islanders are in their window (which is closing unless they can improve their offense) you are competing with Philly for 4th place.
I don't get scared of 34 year old Sidney Crosby, 35 year old Evgeni Malkin and 36 year old Alex Ovechkin.
Rangers *should* be contenders in short order.
And I don't think I rank any of the other openings ahead of the NYR job unless there was some hook - like my hometown is Columbus or Seattle, or I coached at Arizona State - something like that would be needed. Maybe MTL if it opens up, but again you need a hook.
Montreal is a job coaches shun because of the media (or if you don't speak French - morons) - not the Rangers IMO - though the NYR media is probably second or third toughest - Toronto pretty bad too.
Just my opinion.
The roster undeniably has some talent and it would be an appealing place to land. An owner with patience would see that in few years the dynamics of the division are changing with Crosby and Ovechkin getting long in the tooth. The question is, does the owner understand that?
To me, Julien makes the most sense. Tortorella is too polarizing and I don’t see him as a good fit with the youth on this team. Julien focuses on defensive structure and strength up the middle, going right along with what we believe the next phase of Rangers hockey is going to resemble. In Boston he had the personnel to make that work, Rangers need an upgrade in that area, which I think will obviously be the focus this offseason. Gallant is another good choice, though I honestly don’t know as much about him. I’ve heard Habs fans complain about Julien’s lineup decisions, but I think we will always hear that from every fan of every coach.
Knowing players who have played for Julien, I do not see that as a good choice.
haha, just what our team of uber-talented Euros needs, a coach who judges them based on how many shots they block with their face each night
Basically the Kraken had their choice of coaches.
Now, if I'm Gallant or Julien (or any of these guys really) I'd take the Rangers job over Seattle - probably CBJ too - even MTL depending on what happens with Ducharme.
Gallant has proven he can win with an expansion team, so been there done that, and I can't imagine Julien is that interested in an expansion team. but who knows - when you have the only job opening people are more interested than when they have options.
Now, along with CBJ, ARI, MTL (HC is interim), NYR, and who knows who else in the next few days, Francis not hiring a coach hurts their options IMO.
I have no idea why Ron Franchis hasn't hired a coach yet. He has the perfect option in Gallant sitting at home for months and he still hasn't hired a coach yet.
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waiting is this long to hire coach is hurting his team.
Basically the Kraken had their choice of coaches.
Now, if I'm Gallant or Julien (or any of these guys really) I'd take the Rangers job over Seattle - probably CBJ too - even MTL depending on what happens with Ducharme.
Gallant has proven he can win with an expansion team, so been there done that, and I can't imagine Julien is that interested in an expansion team. but who knows - when you have the only job opening people are more interested than when they have options.
Now, along with CBJ, ARI, MTL (HC is interim), NYR, and who knows who else in the next few days, Francis not hiring a coach hurts their options IMO.
I have no idea why Ron Franchis hasn't hired a coach yet. He has the perfect option in Gallant sitting at home for months and he still hasn't hired a coach yet.
Maybe Gallant isn't well liked among the league and that is why he was fired from Las Vegas despite taking an expansion team to Stanley Cup. Perhaps Ron Francis has eyes on a current NHL assistant coach and did not want to hire during the season.
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waiting is this long to hire coach is hurting his team.
Basically the Kraken had their choice of coaches.
Now, if I'm Gallant or Julien (or any of these guys really) I'd take the Rangers job over Seattle - probably CBJ too - even MTL depending on what happens with Ducharme.
Gallant has proven he can win with an expansion team, so been there done that, and I can't imagine Julien is that interested in an expansion team. but who knows - when you have the only job opening people are more interested than when they have options.
Now, along with CBJ, ARI, MTL (HC is interim), NYR, and who knows who else in the next few days, Francis not hiring a coach hurts their options IMO.
I have no idea why Ron Franchis hasn't hired a coach yet. He has the perfect option in Gallant sitting at home for months and he still hasn't hired a coach yet.
Maybe it says more about Gallant than Francis.
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Guess I shouldn't be as surprised as I am when I see the knee jerk responses that we so often see.
And don't assistants get hired in season to start with their new tea,m after their season ends often? it seems like it to me at least, so I'd be surprised if that's the hold up and waiting only hurts the Kraken IMO as more jobs potentially open up.
So, the knee jerk reaction would be to think the decision was based off a 3-game sample since Drury knows him well (if Knoblauch is hired to be HC which I don't think he will be)
Yes, we want a guy who knows how to coach professional hockey. We also need someone who is a teacher and can bring these young kids along in their development. Based on his history, neither Gallant nor Torts are that guy.
So, the knee jerk reaction would be to think the decision was based off a 3-game sample since Drury knows him well (if Knoblauch is hired to be HC which I don't think he will be)
I'm not suggesting Drury will based his decisions on 3 games. My comment was with respect to those playing along at home.
Knoblauch may very well be an excellent coach. But his three game stretch during Quinn's Covid protocol isn't the reason he should or should not get the job.
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about Knoblauch as a coach, but if that's the 3-game sample being referred to I think it's good to remember that Drury is the one who hired Knoblauch to coach Hartford. Drury was GM of the Wolfpack in addition to his Rangers assistant GM role.
So, the knee jerk reaction would be to think the decision was based off a 3-game sample since Drury knows him well (if Knoblauch is hired to be HC which I don't think he will be)
I'm not suggesting Drury will based his decisions on 3 games. My comment was with respect to those playing along at home.
Knoblauch may very well be an excellent coach. But his three game stretch during Quinn's Covid protocol isn't the reason he should or should not get the job.
Oh yeah, of course not. lol. Hopefully no one thinks that.
Maybe Gallant isn't well liked among the league and that is why he was fired from Las Vegas despite taking an expansion team to Stanley Cup. Perhaps Ron Francis has eyes on a current NHL assistant coach and did not want to hire during the season.
Fine if he doesn't like Gallant there are plenty of other options. They could have hired an assistant coach of a current playoff team now. I am pretty sure that the rules aren't like the NFL.
Rick Bennett, current head coach at Union College:
He also has Ranger ties, was a player for the team 15 games 1989-92, and had a professional career for 10 years. His teams at Union always seem to play tough and agressive, and have done very well.
Todd Nelson - Youngish assistant for the Dallas Stars. Former defenseman. Bonus points for facial hair.