And by playing, getting a camp tryout to see if he makes the team as a TE.
I mean, players like Bush care more about Tebow putting on his football cleats again and trying out (at a new position) than he does about his rapist of a QB. Why not be upset about the real pieces of shit in the league like Deshaun Watson, Tyreke Hill, Kareem Hunt, etc. Kaep doesn't want to play anyway but they don't want to accept the truth. Imagine how shakingy mad Bush would have been if Tebow publicized his tryout like Kaep wanted to do.
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And since JAX is very weak at the TE position, Meyer respects the guy and wants types like that in his new locker room, there isn't any reason not to offer the favor.
Polarizing is not a word that many would connect to Tim Tebow, and certainly not many in Florida...
I have no allegiance for CK, but I'm not pretending I didn't watch 50% of the country turn on him for silently protesting, by himself...because a "news" network told them that CK hated America. (in so many words)
For those sick of "race issues." I don't know what to say. The CK issue is about race. If you don't wish to talk about race, "don't start nothing won't be nothing."
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...I believe that this is a manufactured complaint by the same people that are afraid of brown people.
Yes, of course Kaepernick kneeled to protest oppression (though in the beginning he didn't articulate well and confused a lot of people even seemingly himself at times with what he was protesting and he made things worse by antagonizing people further with pig socks, che guevara t-shirts and praising Fidel Castro - who you would be hard pressed to find a bigger example of modern day oppression right up until his death).
Many people were offended by his actions or found them disrespectful not because the people are racist or felt like there was no racism or police brutality, but because they view the freedom we have in America, to sit in a packed stadium and watch millionaire athletes play a game was earned on the backs, lives and limbs of people who fought for that flag and that anthem. Not everyone was offended, but many people were. Many customers of NFL teams.
He is out of a job today *mostly* because he was not a good enough QB for a team to sign him and deal with the distractions of his activism.
He himself said in 2016 when this whole thing started if he loses his endorsements and his job because of it he knows he's doing the right thing. Football was not the most important thing to him and he made a choice. He, Kaepernick chose activism over football
If that was Patrick Mahomes kneeling, he'd still be employed today. If he wanted to be.
Tim Tebow getting a tryout with a 90-man roster at TE by his college coach is completely disconnected from Kaepernick not being in the NFL. There is literally zero connection other than one in people's minds who think everything is racial or racially notivated.
Race has zero, nothing, nada to do with Tebow getting a tryout and Kaepernick not being in the NFL today.
If you want another example.
If Deshaun Watson was Tim Tebow (in talent and skin color) he wouldn't be on an NFL roster today. Is that racism? Against Tebow? Against white people? No, it's because he's a shitty quarterback and simply 20+ allegations of sexual assault against a shitty quarterback is more than teams are willing to withstand relative to his talent. But Watson is a good quarterback, so teams will tolerate more and give him more of a chance to get in front of this - similar to how the Steelers dealt with Roethlisberger and his legal issues.
NFL talent trumps all until talent and distraction intersect - then people are no longer worth it - like Kaepernick became.
it's that simple. Racism? No. it's not racism, though that's where some people go first (and end there in many cases)
" they view the freedom we have in America, to sit in a packed stadium and watch millionaire athletes play a game was earned on the backs, lives and limbs of people who fought for that flag and that anthem. Not everyone was offended, but many people were. Many customers of NFL teams."
Nobody was offended until they were told to be.
Racism is real. Sorry you don't believe this...
" they view the freedom we have in America, to sit in a packed stadium and watch millionaire athletes play a game was earned on the backs, lives and limbs of people who fought for that flag and that anthem. Not everyone was offended, but many people were. Many customers of NFL teams."
Nobody was offended until they were told to be.
Nobody was offended...until they were told be?
Two things that are incorrect in just one very small sentence.
Btw - Who told them to be offended?
" they view the freedom we have in America, to sit in a packed stadium and watch millionaire athletes play a game was earned on the backs, lives and limbs of people who fought for that flag and that anthem. Not everyone was offended, but many people were. Many customers of NFL teams."
Nobody was offended until they were told to be.
Racism is real. Sorry you don't believe this...
I believe racism is real. But I also don't believe it's the reason for everything that happens. Stop pretending you know everyone and their background and their experience.
My father is a Vietnam Veteran, he was offended the second he saw it/read about it. No one told him to be offended by anything. Some veterans or active military are not offended by it, some of the policemen and women aren't offended by it, some are. This is America, everyone is different and has a right to be different. and people have a right to make choices.
To your second point, no one believed systemic racism is involved in every single aspect of our society or the reason why everything happens until they were told to believe it.
we can all use tropes and paint with a broad brush and it doesn't change the facts about Kaepernick.
From all of the crap I see on social media (mostly political) not thinking for one's self is more than likely what I see, simply because if and when the situation gets reversed the people (both sides) immediately pivot with their affiliation. I'm not saying you don't think for yourself, but when I see blatant (at least what I feel is blatant) ignoring of problems that are in the same ballpark as issues that are being criticized I immediately think of the sheep analogy.
If I choose to criticize, I think it's a good idea to flip the situation as if something I believe in was guilty of what I have criticized to see how I feel about that. Now, I don't always do that, unfortunately.
And I did, paint with broad strokes regarding those who were offended. That was unfair.
As did you with regards to people like me somehow thinking that we that believe racism is the reason for everything that happens.
This is an issue that was all about racial justice.
I have never understood how standing for the anthem is associated with the military or how not standing is somehow disrespectful. (I stand with my hand on my heart and recite as the anthem is played...)
But, that is anectdotal and irrelevant.
I think that we agree on more than we disagree on here...
...and for those reasons, I'm out.
But we humans can follow bullshit like we were born to it.”
I see a lot of this here and it comes from both side although each side will only see it in the other. On reading these discussions, we need to sort the rational from the bullshit for people on your side as well as the other side.
But we humans can follow bullshit like we were born to it.”
I see a lot of this here and it comes from both side although each side will only see it in the other. On reading these discussions, [b]we need to sort the rational from the bullshit for people on your side as well as the other side.[b]
I think this is where a lot of conversation goes wrong. As you said, it's easier and more comfortable to call out those on the other side (I'm not sure humans are good with taking sides) than it is to call out our own. I'm guilty too, and have admitted to this on this forum.
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“ What's the scientific basis for believing the average person is capable of "following the science"? Anecdotally, all evidence and life experience suggests it is an absurdity.
But we humans can follow bullshit like we were born to it.”
I see a lot of this here and it comes from both side although each side will only see it in the other. On reading these discussions, we need to sort the rational from the bullshit for people on your side as well as the other side.
I think this is where a lot of conversation goes wrong. As you said, it's easier and more comfortable to call out those on the other side (I'm not sure humans are good with taking sides) than it is to call out our own. I'm guilty too, and have admitted to this on this forum.
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to be led by a notable face or a voice. That doesn't mean people aren't thinking for themselves in whether they want to support it or not.
From all of the crap I see on social media (mostly political) not thinking for one's self is more than likely what I see, simply because if and when the situation gets reversed the people (both sides) immediately pivot with their affiliation. I'm not saying you don't think for yourself, but when I see blatant (at least what I feel is blatant) ignoring of problems that are in the same ballpark as issues that are being criticized I immediately think of the sheep analogy.
If I choose to criticize, I think it's a good idea to flip the situation as if something I believe in was guilty of what I have criticized to see how I feel about that. Now, I don't always do that, unfortunately.
Not seeing the connection of this to your previous post about leaders that I replied to. But nevertheless, if you are hanging out on social media to form your views of how many people are not thinking for themselves, then I am not surprised at your conclusions.
Hell, you don't even have to leave BBI if you are looking for sheep...
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...much of what you said I agree with...
" they view the freedom we have in America, to sit in a packed stadium and watch millionaire athletes play a game was earned on the backs, lives and limbs of people who fought for that flag and that anthem. Not everyone was offended, but many people were. Many customers of NFL teams."
Nobody was offended until they were told to be.
Nobody was offended...until they were told be?
Two things that are incorrect in just one very small sentence.
Btw - Who told them to be offended?
No response here Brown Hornet?
You see that here and recognize who is willing to rationally discuss things and those who just follow the bullshit that they have been fed.
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to be led by a notable face or a voice. That doesn't mean people aren't thinking for themselves in whether they want to support it or not.
From all of the crap I see on social media (mostly political) not thinking for one's self is more than likely what I see, simply because if and when the situation gets reversed the people (both sides) immediately pivot with their affiliation. I'm not saying you don't think for yourself, but when I see blatant (at least what I feel is blatant) ignoring of problems that are in the same ballpark as issues that are being criticized I immediately think of the sheep analogy.
If I choose to criticize, I think it's a good idea to flip the situation as if something I believe in was guilty of what I have criticized to see how I feel about that. Now, I don't always do that, unfortunately.
Not seeing the connection of this to your previous post about leaders that I replied to. But nevertheless, if you are hanging out on social media to form your views of how many people are not thinking for themselves, then I am not surprised at your conclusions.
Hell, you don't even have to leave BBI if you are looking for sheep...
The connection I was trying to make was about people being told to be offended. You seemed to refute that, and I think that is something that is quite real. A leader can persuade people quite easily. I also never said I was hanging on social media looking for people who do not think for themselves.
You see that here and recognize who is willing to rationally discuss things and those who just follow the bullshit that they have been fed.
If both sides are mad at you, that can be a good thing!
You see that here and recognize who is willing to rationally discuss things and those who just follow the bullshit that they have been fed.
Not seeing the connection of this to your previous post about leaders that I replied to. But nevertheless, if you are hanging out on social media to form your views of how many people are not thinking for themselves, then I am not surprised at your conclusions.
Hell, you don't even have to leave BBI if you are looking for sheep...
The connection I was trying to make was about people being told to be offended. You seemed to refute that, and I think that is something that is quite real. A leader can persuade people quite easily. I also never said I was hanging on social media looking for people who do not think for themselves.
Now you are all over the board with this. I didn't refute that at all.
I said very clearly its not unusual for causes to be led by a notable face or voice, and that doesn't mean people aren't thinking for themselves in whether they want to support it or not.
And yes, leaders can have a persuasive quality to how they speak/act but again that doesn't mean the masses still don't make independent judgments as to where they fall on issues.
The social media comment is where you pointed to specifically noting this behavior. So my response was to only that.
You see that here and recognize who is willing to rationally discuss things and those who just follow the bullshit that they have been fed.
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Not seeing the connection of this to your previous post about leaders that I replied to. But nevertheless, if you are hanging out on social media to form your views of how many people are not thinking for themselves, then I am not surprised at your conclusions.
Hell, you don't even have to leave BBI if you are looking for sheep...
The connection I was trying to make was about people being told to be offended. You seemed to refute that, and I think that is something that is quite real. A leader can persuade people quite easily. I also never said I was hanging on social media looking for people who do not think for themselves.
Now you are all over the board with this. I didn't refute that at all.
I said very clearly its not unusual for causes to be led by a notable face or voice, and that doesn't mean people aren't thinking for themselves in whether they want to support it or not.
And yes, leaders can have a persuasive quality to how they speak/act but again that doesn't mean the masses still don't make independent judgments as to where they fall on issues.
The social media comment is where you pointed to specifically noting this behavior. So my response was to only that.
I don't agree that I'm "all over the board with this" . My apologies that I misread your message, I thought you were refuting that people are susceptible to being told how to think.
But that doesn't mean they still don't ultimately think for themselves in choosing what they support or not.
But that doesn't mean they still don't ultimately think for themselves in choosing what they support or not.
You're right, We can't prove if someone is thinking for themselves or not.
But that doesn't mean they still don't ultimately think for themselves in choosing what they support or not.
Unreal.
It’s absolutely ridiculous.
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people are indeed susceptible to being told how to think in their everyday lives (down to the very laundry detergent they may buy at the supermarket).
But that doesn't mean they still don't ultimately think for themselves in choosing what they support or not.
In regard to your second paragraph, it depends on the individual and how you define “think for themselves”. Some think for themselves to accept whatever they hear for who they trust. The extreme is being part of a cult where they thought for themselves to join.
Agree but extreme cult behavior isn't the spirit of what is being discussed. Nor is it compelling to extrapolate over a larger mass of a people...
Is it also possible that there are people that adamantly believes someone else is a racist and that they actually are not racist?
You can be wrong both ways. That is the truth. Crazy world right now. We need find ways to compromise and see each others truths or this American experiment is going to go to hell.
It's on the way there.
Is it also possible that there are people that adamantly believes someone else is a racist and that they actually are not racist?
You can be wrong both ways. That is the truth. Crazy world right now. We need find ways to compromise and see each others truths or this American experiment is going to go to hell.
It's on the way there.
Is it also possible that there are people that adamantly believes someone else is a racist and that they actually are not racist?
You can be wrong both ways. That is the truth. Crazy world right now. We need find ways to compromise and see each others truths or this American experiment is going to go to hell.
It's on the way there.
American experiment?
I think the republic will survive...
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There are people that are adamant about not being a racist but actually are a racist?
Is it also possible that there are people that adamantly believes someone else is a racist and that they actually are not racist?
You can be wrong both ways. That is the truth. Crazy world right now. We need find ways to compromise and see each others truths or this American experiment is going to go to hell.
It's on the way there.
Young people are brought up and taught things and some things of a prejudiced nature. Hard to totally shake what you are taught in your early years. That is why I cringe when I see children in political demonstrations no matter the point of view. However I tend to define racist more in the real life actions of people rather than drawing conclusions on your impressions of what they say. Hard to do this on a forum site unless it is glaring. By the way, Huck Finn is a great example of that if you are still allowed to read that.
The comparisons to Kaepernick are natural because both he and Tebow are polarizing people (for whatever reasons), yet Tebow has now been signed by 3 other teams since being drafted by the Broncos, and Kaepernick has been signed by no other team.
If someone wants to argue that it's justifiable for Kaepernick to not have any interest from NFL teams because of his lack of talent, that person would have the most credibility to make that case if they also have the stance that police brutality against black people is a real issue in this country. Honestly, I don't know if that person even exists on BBI.
That's not to say that anyone who doesn't think police brutality is an issue should be discredited outright, but any conversation about Kaepernick that doesn't start with a personal opinion on that specific subject is a disingenuous one.
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There are people that are adamant about not being a racist but actually are a racist?
Is it also possible that there are people that adamantly believes someone else is a racist and that they actually are not racist?
You can be wrong both ways. That is the truth. Crazy world right now. We need find ways to compromise and see each others truths or this American experiment is going to go to hell.
It's on the way there.
American experiment?
I think the republic will survive...
No, I will not be specific. Not here.
My daughter is 16 and has done some political activism of her own accord. Her and her friends have marched on behalf of a few different issues. We support her. We felt trying to stop her would put us at odds. We respect her views even when they differ from our own. I am over 50 it makes sense we do not agree on everything. I am proud of her.
Gratefulhead - I could have written nearly the exact the same thing as to our household. :-)
I agree, and said earlier in the thread. T
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and letting this one go is bullshit
It’s absolutely ridiculous.
There was actually some good conversation on that thread as well, unlike this dumpster fire.
I mean I don't like Tebow, but it's obvious he's getting another shot because he's connected to Urban. It's his football team, so he gets to run it how he wants. Helps build some buzz around the team (which a team like Jax desperately needs to fill seats). That's his value to the 90, highly doubt he makes the 53. Who knows? Maybe he's a special teams stud. Not out of the realm of possibility, he's a guy that has kept himself in tremendous shape and lives a healthy life.
Just wow
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As far as BBI threads that touch on this stuff. All of you take a bow. The underlying causes for the claims of the LB in the OP are political. I think most us have been respectful of opposing views. I want us find ways to talk about stuff that really matters, that we feel strongly about, without hating each other.
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Yup, too bad asking the site owner a legitimate question about reading an article gets a thread deleted.