And by playing, getting a camp tryout to see if he makes the team as a TE.
I mean, players like Bush care more about Tebow putting on his football cleats again and trying out (at a new position) than he does about his rapist of a QB. Why not be upset about the real pieces of shit in the league like Deshaun Watson, Tyreke Hill, Kareem Hunt, etc. Kaep doesn't want to play anyway but they don't want to accept the truth. Imagine how shakingy mad Bush would have been if Tebow publicized his tryout like Kaep wanted to do.
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I've been hearing this too. ESPN has been doing Tebow pretty much all the time for the last two days. Not sure why he gets under their skin so much or why he deserves this much attention in general.
But to the point per se, I'm not sure anyone should be all that worked up about the 5th undrafted free agent TE tryout player. Nobody is making the team.
It's not quite the same thing, but in the baseball draft it's not uncommon to waste a spot on some sort of nepotism or legacy pick who sucks. Unless of course, you're the fucking stupid Red Sox who actually picked Marc Sullivn, Heywood's son, and actually moved him through the ranks to an actual job while not being worthy (talent-wise) of a jersey.
LOL. Really? If anything, people still use the Evangelical aspect of Tebow against him rather than laud him for it. If those were the criteria for giving people a second chance, preachers would line the football fields with poor talent.
He's getting a chance because of Urban Meyer.
For a fleeting moment it looked like he could become a good NFL QB. The league caught up to him and he couldn't respond by getting better. It happens frequently (e.g. Tommy Maddox, Tim Couch, RG III, Duante Culpepper.....).
The difference with Kaep is that he was also an enormous distraction while being a 2nd string level QB. NOBODY in the NFL wants their backup QB to be a distraction.
This right here. It's not that he wasn't better than some backup QB's. Kaepernick was but it was absolutely not worth the distraction which is why he wasn't signed. It was so obvious but so many fans and members of the media acted as if he wouldn't be a distraction which was ridiculous.
I’ve thought about this and I don’t think it holds much water. They have 5 TEs on the roster (2 are 23 and another is 24) and he himself might get out played by one of the young guys already there.
Is urban meter really going to choose Tebow over a better player? You can make an argument about anything but I’d have a hard time believing that. And if he’s cut then he didn’t take anyone’s place, someone took it from him.
Half the fans would root for him if he decided to become a punter and the other half think he's a goober no matter what he does on the field.
There's no in between.
Then Harbaugh turned him into a dick, and you get what you see. (he's another character for another day)
Harbaugh did not turn him into a dick. Once he met his GF he changed dramatically. If anyone is responsible for his attitude change it's her.
But this charade he's being kept on the sideline by conspiratorial actors is goofball stuff.
He's had plenty of legit chances to get back on the field. I suspect he realizes his cause and story is better told against the backdrop of a guy being kept out, not a guy who is languishing on the bench in Jacksonville.
Kaepernick is roughly a good voice for change. Kaepernick is not a good example of the NFL keeping a guy off a roster for his views.
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hasn't played football since Obama was in office. And he STUNK then. Given his veganism and political interests its seems clear that he is far from physically or mentally prepared for a full time role in a league as demanding as the NFL.
These guys look so foolish bringing him up like this now - maybe in 2017, but come on.
veganism?
This is a political thread. Kapernick was singled out for making a stance about police violence, which got conflated with patriotism and the flag by political opponents on one side of the aisle. All that is a distraction from the real issue that CK was protesting, sadly.
Signing Tebow hits a nerve because he is a white evangelical and just about a worthless a prospect that Kapernick was back in the day, or worse. I get the point of the article.
veganism? seriously.
lol you're a moron.
Arian Foster led the NFL in rushing as a vegan. Cam Newton is a vegan (except on game day when he eats eggs). There are a number of other vegan players. You really shouldn’t be calling anyone a moron…
Both of their bodies broke down and they were washed up much earlier than they should have been. Veganism is fine for keyboard jockeys and paper pushers I guess, but football players don't last long when they eat like cheerleaders.
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that Tebow continues to receive chances because he's a handsome, well-known, and staunch Evangelical Christian? And that CK was railroaded out of the game for who he is, conversely? That's why.
LOL. Really? If anything, people still use the Evangelical aspect of Tebow against him rather than laud him for it. If those were the criteria for giving people a second chance, preachers would line the football fields with poor talent.
He's getting a chance because of Urban Meyer.
Did I not mention some things that Coach Meyer probably likes about Tebow?
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that Tebow continues to receive chances because he's a handsome, well-known, and staunch Evangelical Christian? And that CK was railroaded out of the game for who he is, conversely? That's why.
LOL. Really? If anything, people still use the Evangelical aspect of Tebow against him rather than laud him for it. If those were the criteria for giving people a second chance, preachers would line the football fields with poor talent.
He's getting a chance because of Urban Meyer.
The evangelical handsome thing is what gives him coverage, and the contrast with Kapernick and how that falls along political and racial divisions, that is real. To deny that is to say that what other people are seeing is just untrue.
The issue is polarizing, and its instructive to think about why. How many people out there think it was CK that polarized things? I think he was protesting the fact that people of color are getting killed, not a controversial stance. I also think that stance kept him out of the league for a while, not recently of course.
And that the facts are incontrovertible and the message completely lost, that is the what we can expect in today’s era.
How about a middle ground? CK was protesting a legitimate concern and violence at maybe the one time in his life where people would listen to him, and a lot of people didn’t want to listen, either because they are in denial about the problem or because they sympathize but would rather not think about it during football.
veganism? seriously.
lol you're a moron.
Arian Foster led the NFL in rushing as a vegan. Cam Newton is a vegan (except on game day when he eats eggs). There are a number of other vegan players. You really shouldn’t be calling anyone a moron…
Arian Foster dabbled in veganism, he was just a more eat healthy dude. Cam Newton has been a vegan for a year. Doesn't really mean much. Most of these guys give it up when they realize it's not optimal.
Kap and Tebow are mutually exclusive.
He's getting a chance because of Urban Meyer.
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but I don't understand how this relates to Kaep.
Why the anger for Tebow trying out? It effects absolutely no one else.
Because he's taking away someone else's much needed opportunity to try and make an NFL roster.
What exactly did Tebow do to garner a tryout over other possible contenders? Because he is a competitor?
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but I don't understand how this relates to Kaep.
Why the anger for Tebow trying out? It effects absolutely no one else.
Because he's taking away someone else's much needed opportunity to try and make an NFL roster.
What exactly did Tebow do to garner a tryout over other possible contenders? Because he is a competitor?
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but I don't understand how this relates to Kaep.
Why the anger for Tebow trying out? It effects absolutely no one else.
Because he's taking away someone else's much needed opportunity to try and make an NFL roster.
What exactly did Tebow do to garner a tryout over other possible contenders? Because he is a competitor?
Do you know how stupid that sounds? "He is taking away somebody's much needed opportunity...." If that somebody was so good, he'd be making it on 31 other teams.
Kap and Tebow are mutually exclusive.
Well, they are both highly polarizing.
From my perspective, and I am pretty neutral on Tebow, I just don't get why he's so newsworthy. Like I said earlier, his career in the NFL has been pretty uneventful outside that one year in Denver when they beat Pittsburgh in the playoffs.
One could easily argue that he was a bust as a first round selection.
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the pale. He did nothing to catch the grief he got or gets. Just utter bullshit. He was wrongly drafted in the 1st round. He was a washed out QB in a few years that would not switch to TE so he was cut. The only reason he was given a chance in Jax for TE is because Urban Meyer loves him. He has a snowball's chance in hell to make the team.
Kap and Tebow are mutually exclusive.
Well, they are both highly polarizing.
From my perspective, and I am pretty neutral on Tebow, I just don't get why he's so newsworthy. Like I said earlier, his career in the NFL has been pretty uneventful outside that one year in Denver when they beat Pittsburgh in the playoffs.
One could easily argue that he was a bust as a first round selection.
What is polarizing about Tebow? That he is a devout Christian? That he apparently leads a clean life? I cannot understand the hate.
And you are right what is newsworthy about him? And yes he should never have been a 1st rounder or a 2nd rounder. Happens a lot.
What is polarizing about Tebow? That he is a devout Christian? That he apparently leads a clean life? I cannot understand the hate.
I couldn't care less about any of that.
I just can't get my arms around why he gets so much airtime. Like I mentioned earlier, ESPN must have ratings intel that clearly suggest Tebow is worth talking about and moves the needle. Otherwise, why is this such a lead story?
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What is polarizing about Tebow? That he is a devout Christian? That he apparently leads a clean life? I cannot understand the hate.
I couldn't care less about any of that.
I just can't get my arms around why he gets so much airtime. Like I mentioned earlier, ESPN must have ratings intel that clearly suggest Tebow is worth talking about and moves the needle. Otherwise, why is this such a lead story?
This is exactly the hate for Tebow. His performance never met his celebrity. Add to the fact he uses it to proselytize, which a huge number of people find obnoxious, especially young people.
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What is polarizing about Tebow? That he is a devout Christian? That he apparently leads a clean life? I cannot understand the hate.
I couldn't care less about any of that.
I just can't get my arms around why he gets so much airtime. Like I mentioned earlier, ESPN must have ratings intel that clearly suggest Tebow is worth talking about and moves the needle. Otherwise, why is this such a lead story?
This is exactly the hate for Tebow. His performance never met his celebrity. Add to the fact he uses it to proselytize, which a huge number of people find obnoxious, especially young people.
Really good reasons?....His NFL career never matched the hype, but his college career did.
He did not do much preaching or forced it on anyone, maybe ESPN showed some of it, but again to hate him for that is weak. Lots of real POSs out there to really dislike.
But to each his own.
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What is polarizing about Tebow? That he is a devout Christian? That he apparently leads a clean life? I cannot understand the hate.
I couldn't care less about any of that.
I just can't get my arms around why he gets so much airtime. Like I mentioned earlier, ESPN must have ratings intel that clearly suggest Tebow is worth talking about and moves the needle. Otherwise, why is this such a lead story?
This is exactly the hate for Tebow. His performance never met his celebrity. Add to the fact he uses it to proselytize, which a huge number of people find obnoxious, especially young people.
Proselytize means to active convert someone to your faith. I know that he was open about his faith; did he really try converting everyone around him? And, if using the power of celebrity to bring someone around to your way of thinking is going to cause great antipathy, there’s about a million other celebrities that will line up in front of Tebow.
Oh really....that's the story.
Kaepernick viewed the invitation to a workout as an insult. He stated the league had plenty of tape regarding his ability given that he started 58 games in the NFL. He felt that he should have been signed to a contract and then showed his skills during preseason.
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everyone miss the workout the NFL set up for Kaepernick a year or two ago and he didn't take seriously? The NFL called his bluff.
Kaepernick viewed the invitation to a workout as an insult. He stated the league had plenty of tape regarding his ability given that he started 58 games in the NFL. He felt that he should have been signed to a contract and then showed his skills during preseason.
Since he had not played in 3(?) years, what was wrong with a film session workout? He would have had to do a workout with any team he tried out for. And, wasn't he offered a couple of vet minimum contracts which he turned down?
Agree with you, but I guess Devin Bush doesn't.
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No relationship at all to the Tebow situation and not really relevant to anything. Not sure why anyone would put him in this conversation.
Agree with you, but I guess Devin Bush doesn't.
Maybe now, Bush can turn his attention and bitching to Kelvin Benjamin.
Devin Bush should know this.
One lost his job because a large group of people were afraid of him and afraid that he represented the loss of their privilege.
It was completely political and motivated by racism.
The other one lost his job because he wasn’t very good at it.
Devin Bush should know this.
One lost his job because a large group of people were afraid of him and afraid that he represented the loss of their privilege.
It was completely political and motivated by racism.
The other one lost his job because he wasn’t very good at it.
No, both lost their jobs because they weren't very good at it. One just happened to be controversial - people couldn't stand that he was a devout Christian.
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...These two things are unrelated.
Devin Bush should know this.
One lost his job because a large group of people were afraid of him and afraid that he represented the loss of their privilege.
It was completely political and motivated by racism.
The other one lost his job because he wasn’t very good at it.
No, both lost their jobs because they weren't very good at it. One just happened to be controversial - people couldn't stand that he was a devout Christian.
I think that you could argue that in both cases there was innate prejudices which made each figure polarizing and brought negative, distracting attention which took the attention away from the events on the field and...(this is the most important part when looking at inconsistencies in many different events) their talent levels were not sufficient to make the distraction worthwhile to the team(s).
People look for things to bother them, it’s really strange.
I believe your post is a manufactured complaint by the same people who think everything is about race.
Try reading the early parts of this thread smart guy...
And since JAX is very weak at the TE position, Meyer respects the guy and wants types like that in his new locker room, there isn't any reason not to offer the favor.
Polarizing is not a word that many would connect to Tim Tebow, and certainly not many in Florida...
I have no allegiance for CK, but I'm not pretending I didn't watch 50% of the country turn on him for silently protesting, by himself...because a "news" network told them that CK hated America. (in so many words)
For those sick of "race issues." I don't know what to say. The CK issue is about race. If you don't wish to talk about race, "don't start nothing won't be nothing."
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...I believe that this is a manufactured complaint by the same people that are afraid of brown people.
Yes, of course Kaepernick kneeled to protest oppression (though in the beginning he didn't articulate well and confused a lot of people even seemingly himself at times with what he was protesting and he made things worse by antagonizing people further with pig socks, che guevara t-shirts and praising Fidel Castro - who you would be hard pressed to find a bigger example of modern day oppression right up until his death).
Many people were offended by his actions or found them disrespectful not because the people are racist or felt like there was no racism or police brutality, but because they view the freedom we have in America, to sit in a packed stadium and watch millionaire athletes play a game was earned on the backs, lives and limbs of people who fought for that flag and that anthem. Not everyone was offended, but many people were. Many customers of NFL teams.
He is out of a job today *mostly* because he was not a good enough QB for a team to sign him and deal with the distractions of his activism.
He himself said in 2016 when this whole thing started if he loses his endorsements and his job because of it he knows he's doing the right thing. Football was not the most important thing to him and he made a choice. He, Kaepernick chose activism over football
If that was Patrick Mahomes kneeling, he'd still be employed today. If he wanted to be.
Tim Tebow getting a tryout with a 90-man roster at TE by his college coach is completely disconnected from Kaepernick not being in the NFL. There is literally zero connection other than one in people's minds who think everything is racial or racially notivated.
Race has zero, nothing, nada to do with Tebow getting a tryout and Kaepernick not being in the NFL today.
If you want another example.
If Deshaun Watson was Tim Tebow (in talent and skin color) he wouldn't be on an NFL roster today. Is that racism? Against Tebow? Against white people? No, it's because he's a shitty quarterback and simply 20+ allegations of sexual assault against a shitty quarterback is more than teams are willing to withstand relative to his talent. But Watson is a good quarterback, so teams will tolerate more and give him more of a chance to get in front of this - similar to how the Steelers dealt with Roethlisberger and his legal issues.
NFL talent trumps all until talent and distraction intersect - then people are no longer worth it - like Kaepernick became.
it's that simple. Racism? No. it's not racism, though that's where some people go first (and end there in many cases)
" they view the freedom we have in America, to sit in a packed stadium and watch millionaire athletes play a game was earned on the backs, lives and limbs of people who fought for that flag and that anthem. Not everyone was offended, but many people were. Many customers of NFL teams."
Nobody was offended until they were told to be.
Racism is real. Sorry you don't believe this...
" they view the freedom we have in America, to sit in a packed stadium and watch millionaire athletes play a game was earned on the backs, lives and limbs of people who fought for that flag and that anthem. Not everyone was offended, but many people were. Many customers of NFL teams."
Nobody was offended until they were told to be.
Nobody was offended...until they were told be?
Two things that are incorrect in just one very small sentence.
Btw - Who told them to be offended?
" they view the freedom we have in America, to sit in a packed stadium and watch millionaire athletes play a game was earned on the backs, lives and limbs of people who fought for that flag and that anthem. Not everyone was offended, but many people were. Many customers of NFL teams."
Nobody was offended until they were told to be.
Racism is real. Sorry you don't believe this...
I believe racism is real. But I also don't believe it's the reason for everything that happens. Stop pretending you know everyone and their background and their experience.
My father is a Vietnam Veteran, he was offended the second he saw it/read about it. No one told him to be offended by anything. Some veterans or active military are not offended by it, some of the policemen and women aren't offended by it, some are. This is America, everyone is different and has a right to be different. and people have a right to make choices.
To your second point, no one believed systemic racism is involved in every single aspect of our society or the reason why everything happens until they were told to believe it.
we can all use tropes and paint with a broad brush and it doesn't change the facts about Kaepernick.
From all of the crap I see on social media (mostly political) not thinking for one's self is more than likely what I see, simply because if and when the situation gets reversed the people (both sides) immediately pivot with their affiliation. I'm not saying you don't think for yourself, but when I see blatant (at least what I feel is blatant) ignoring of problems that are in the same ballpark as issues that are being criticized I immediately think of the sheep analogy.
If I choose to criticize, I think it's a good idea to flip the situation as if something I believe in was guilty of what I have criticized to see how I feel about that. Now, I don't always do that, unfortunately.
And I did, paint with broad strokes regarding those who were offended. That was unfair.
As did you with regards to people like me somehow thinking that we that believe racism is the reason for everything that happens.
This is an issue that was all about racial justice.
I have never understood how standing for the anthem is associated with the military or how not standing is somehow disrespectful. (I stand with my hand on my heart and recite as the anthem is played...)
But, that is anectdotal and irrelevant.
I think that we agree on more than we disagree on here...
...and for those reasons, I'm out.
But we humans can follow bullshit like we were born to it.”
I see a lot of this here and it comes from both side although each side will only see it in the other. On reading these discussions, we need to sort the rational from the bullshit for people on your side as well as the other side.
But we humans can follow bullshit like we were born to it.”
I see a lot of this here and it comes from both side although each side will only see it in the other. On reading these discussions, [b]we need to sort the rational from the bullshit for people on your side as well as the other side.[b]
I think this is where a lot of conversation goes wrong. As you said, it's easier and more comfortable to call out those on the other side (I'm not sure humans are good with taking sides) than it is to call out our own. I'm guilty too, and have admitted to this on this forum.