And by playing, getting a camp tryout to see if he makes the team as a TE.
I mean, players like Bush care more about Tebow putting on his football cleats again and trying out (at a new position) than he does about his rapist of a QB. Why not be upset about the real pieces of shit in the league like Deshaun Watson, Tyreke Hill, Kareem Hunt, etc. Kaep doesn't want to play anyway but they don't want to accept the truth. Imagine how shakingy mad Bush would have been if Tebow publicized his tryout like Kaep wanted to do.
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“ What's the scientific basis for believing the average person is capable of "following the science"? Anecdotally, all evidence and life experience suggests it is an absurdity.
But we humans can follow bullshit like we were born to it.”
I see a lot of this here and it comes from both side although each side will only see it in the other. On reading these discussions, we need to sort the rational from the bullshit for people on your side as well as the other side.
I think this is where a lot of conversation goes wrong. As you said, it's easier and more comfortable to call out those on the other side (I'm not sure humans are good with taking sides) than it is to call out our own. I'm guilty too, and have admitted to this on this forum.
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to be led by a notable face or a voice. That doesn't mean people aren't thinking for themselves in whether they want to support it or not.
From all of the crap I see on social media (mostly political) not thinking for one's self is more than likely what I see, simply because if and when the situation gets reversed the people (both sides) immediately pivot with their affiliation. I'm not saying you don't think for yourself, but when I see blatant (at least what I feel is blatant) ignoring of problems that are in the same ballpark as issues that are being criticized I immediately think of the sheep analogy.
If I choose to criticize, I think it's a good idea to flip the situation as if something I believe in was guilty of what I have criticized to see how I feel about that. Now, I don't always do that, unfortunately.
Not seeing the connection of this to your previous post about leaders that I replied to. But nevertheless, if you are hanging out on social media to form your views of how many people are not thinking for themselves, then I am not surprised at your conclusions.
Hell, you don't even have to leave BBI if you are looking for sheep...
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...much of what you said I agree with...
" they view the freedom we have in America, to sit in a packed stadium and watch millionaire athletes play a game was earned on the backs, lives and limbs of people who fought for that flag and that anthem. Not everyone was offended, but many people were. Many customers of NFL teams."
Nobody was offended until they were told to be.
Nobody was offended...until they were told be?
Two things that are incorrect in just one very small sentence.
Btw - Who told them to be offended?
No response here Brown Hornet?
You see that here and recognize who is willing to rationally discuss things and those who just follow the bullshit that they have been fed.
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to be led by a notable face or a voice. That doesn't mean people aren't thinking for themselves in whether they want to support it or not.
From all of the crap I see on social media (mostly political) not thinking for one's self is more than likely what I see, simply because if and when the situation gets reversed the people (both sides) immediately pivot with their affiliation. I'm not saying you don't think for yourself, but when I see blatant (at least what I feel is blatant) ignoring of problems that are in the same ballpark as issues that are being criticized I immediately think of the sheep analogy.
If I choose to criticize, I think it's a good idea to flip the situation as if something I believe in was guilty of what I have criticized to see how I feel about that. Now, I don't always do that, unfortunately.
Not seeing the connection of this to your previous post about leaders that I replied to. But nevertheless, if you are hanging out on social media to form your views of how many people are not thinking for themselves, then I am not surprised at your conclusions.
Hell, you don't even have to leave BBI if you are looking for sheep...
The connection I was trying to make was about people being told to be offended. You seemed to refute that, and I think that is something that is quite real. A leader can persuade people quite easily. I also never said I was hanging on social media looking for people who do not think for themselves.
You see that here and recognize who is willing to rationally discuss things and those who just follow the bullshit that they have been fed.
If both sides are mad at you, that can be a good thing!
You see that here and recognize who is willing to rationally discuss things and those who just follow the bullshit that they have been fed.
Not seeing the connection of this to your previous post about leaders that I replied to. But nevertheless, if you are hanging out on social media to form your views of how many people are not thinking for themselves, then I am not surprised at your conclusions.
Hell, you don't even have to leave BBI if you are looking for sheep...
The connection I was trying to make was about people being told to be offended. You seemed to refute that, and I think that is something that is quite real. A leader can persuade people quite easily. I also never said I was hanging on social media looking for people who do not think for themselves.
Now you are all over the board with this. I didn't refute that at all.
I said very clearly its not unusual for causes to be led by a notable face or voice, and that doesn't mean people aren't thinking for themselves in whether they want to support it or not.
And yes, leaders can have a persuasive quality to how they speak/act but again that doesn't mean the masses still don't make independent judgments as to where they fall on issues.
The social media comment is where you pointed to specifically noting this behavior. So my response was to only that.
You see that here and recognize who is willing to rationally discuss things and those who just follow the bullshit that they have been fed.
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Not seeing the connection of this to your previous post about leaders that I replied to. But nevertheless, if you are hanging out on social media to form your views of how many people are not thinking for themselves, then I am not surprised at your conclusions.
Hell, you don't even have to leave BBI if you are looking for sheep...
The connection I was trying to make was about people being told to be offended. You seemed to refute that, and I think that is something that is quite real. A leader can persuade people quite easily. I also never said I was hanging on social media looking for people who do not think for themselves.
Now you are all over the board with this. I didn't refute that at all.
I said very clearly its not unusual for causes to be led by a notable face or voice, and that doesn't mean people aren't thinking for themselves in whether they want to support it or not.
And yes, leaders can have a persuasive quality to how they speak/act but again that doesn't mean the masses still don't make independent judgments as to where they fall on issues.
The social media comment is where you pointed to specifically noting this behavior. So my response was to only that.
I don't agree that I'm "all over the board with this" . My apologies that I misread your message, I thought you were refuting that people are susceptible to being told how to think.
But that doesn't mean they still don't ultimately think for themselves in choosing what they support or not.
But that doesn't mean they still don't ultimately think for themselves in choosing what they support or not.
You're right, We can't prove if someone is thinking for themselves or not.
But that doesn't mean they still don't ultimately think for themselves in choosing what they support or not.
Unreal.
It’s absolutely ridiculous.
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people are indeed susceptible to being told how to think in their everyday lives (down to the very laundry detergent they may buy at the supermarket).
But that doesn't mean they still don't ultimately think for themselves in choosing what they support or not.
In regard to your second paragraph, it depends on the individual and how you define “think for themselves”. Some think for themselves to accept whatever they hear for who they trust. The extreme is being part of a cult where they thought for themselves to join.
Agree but extreme cult behavior isn't the spirit of what is being discussed. Nor is it compelling to extrapolate over a larger mass of a people...
Is it also possible that there are people that adamantly believes someone else is a racist and that they actually are not racist?
You can be wrong both ways. That is the truth. Crazy world right now. We need find ways to compromise and see each others truths or this American experiment is going to go to hell.
It's on the way there.
Is it also possible that there are people that adamantly believes someone else is a racist and that they actually are not racist?
You can be wrong both ways. That is the truth. Crazy world right now. We need find ways to compromise and see each others truths or this American experiment is going to go to hell.
It's on the way there.
Is it also possible that there are people that adamantly believes someone else is a racist and that they actually are not racist?
You can be wrong both ways. That is the truth. Crazy world right now. We need find ways to compromise and see each others truths or this American experiment is going to go to hell.
It's on the way there.
American experiment?
I think the republic will survive...
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There are people that are adamant about not being a racist but actually are a racist?
Is it also possible that there are people that adamantly believes someone else is a racist and that they actually are not racist?
You can be wrong both ways. That is the truth. Crazy world right now. We need find ways to compromise and see each others truths or this American experiment is going to go to hell.
It's on the way there.
Young people are brought up and taught things and some things of a prejudiced nature. Hard to totally shake what you are taught in your early years. That is why I cringe when I see children in political demonstrations no matter the point of view. However I tend to define racist more in the real life actions of people rather than drawing conclusions on your impressions of what they say. Hard to do this on a forum site unless it is glaring. By the way, Huck Finn is a great example of that if you are still allowed to read that.
The comparisons to Kaepernick are natural because both he and Tebow are polarizing people (for whatever reasons), yet Tebow has now been signed by 3 other teams since being drafted by the Broncos, and Kaepernick has been signed by no other team.
If someone wants to argue that it's justifiable for Kaepernick to not have any interest from NFL teams because of his lack of talent, that person would have the most credibility to make that case if they also have the stance that police brutality against black people is a real issue in this country. Honestly, I don't know if that person even exists on BBI.
That's not to say that anyone who doesn't think police brutality is an issue should be discredited outright, but any conversation about Kaepernick that doesn't start with a personal opinion on that specific subject is a disingenuous one.
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There are people that are adamant about not being a racist but actually are a racist?
Is it also possible that there are people that adamantly believes someone else is a racist and that they actually are not racist?
You can be wrong both ways. That is the truth. Crazy world right now. We need find ways to compromise and see each others truths or this American experiment is going to go to hell.
It's on the way there.
American experiment?
I think the republic will survive...
No, I will not be specific. Not here.
My daughter is 16 and has done some political activism of her own accord. Her and her friends have marched on behalf of a few different issues. We support her. We felt trying to stop her would put us at odds. We respect her views even when they differ from our own. I am over 50 it makes sense we do not agree on everything. I am proud of her.
Gratefulhead - I could have written nearly the exact the same thing as to our household. :-)
I agree, and said earlier in the thread. T
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and letting this one go is bullshit
It’s absolutely ridiculous.
There was actually some good conversation on that thread as well, unlike this dumpster fire.
I mean I don't like Tebow, but it's obvious he's getting another shot because he's connected to Urban. It's his football team, so he gets to run it how he wants. Helps build some buzz around the team (which a team like Jax desperately needs to fill seats). That's his value to the 90, highly doubt he makes the 53. Who knows? Maybe he's a special teams stud. Not out of the realm of possibility, he's a guy that has kept himself in tremendous shape and lives a healthy life.
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As far as BBI threads that touch on this stuff. All of you take a bow. The underlying causes for the claims of the LB in the OP are political. I think most us have been respectful of opposing views. I want us find ways to talk about stuff that really matters, that we feel strongly about, without hating each other.
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Yup, too bad asking the site owner a legitimate question about reading an article gets a thread deleted.