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NFT: PLAYOFF BOUND KNICKS VS. SPURS 7;30PM

larryflower37 : 5/13/2021 1:42 pm
WE ARE HERE!!!

Tough matchup against the Spurs since they always bring it.
Burks, Quickley, Bullock, and Rose day to day.

We will all be scoreboard watching tonight with tonight.
76ers vs Heat
Clippers vs. Hornets
Magic vs. Hawks
Bucks vs. Pacers

Let's finish 3-0 and get to 41 wins and let the chips fall where they will.


#LFGK
Knicks can jump from the 6 seed to the 4 seed with a win tonight and a  
Optimus-NY : 5/13/2021 1:45 pm : link
loss by the Heat to the Sixers. The Knicks win the direct tie breaker with the Hawks since they went 3-0 against them in the regular season.
I'll be there tonight!  
Del Shofner : 5/13/2021 1:54 pm : link
One of our sons bought us two tickets months ago for the experience of a low-attendance game at MSG. (We used to have season tix so he has good memories.) Didn't expect it would end up being a high-stakes game!
RE: I'll be there tonight!  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/13/2021 1:56 pm : link
In comment 15263210 Del Shofner said:
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One of our sons bought us two tickets months ago for the experience of a low-attendance game at MSG. (We used to have season tix so he has good memories.) Didn't expect it would end up being a high-stakes game!


Nice. Have fun. Go 76ers! Go Magic!
Knicks  
TyreeHelmet : 5/13/2021 2:00 pm : link
What a great year. Would love to get the 4 seed locked up.

What is the deal for the playoffs attendance? Is it being increased? Haven't followed but I would love to get to a game.
RE: I'll be there tonight!  
larryflower37 : 5/13/2021 2:01 pm : link
In comment 15263210 Del Shofner said:
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One of our sons bought us two tickets months ago for the experience of a low-attendance game at MSG. (We used to have season tix so he has good memories.) Didn't expect it would end up being a high-stakes game!


Awesome have fun and bring the noise!!!
RE: Knicks  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 2:03 pm : link
In comment 15263215 TyreeHelmet said:
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What a great year. Would love to get the 4 seed locked up.

What is the deal for the playoffs attendance? Is it being increased? Haven't followed but I would love to get to a game.


5700 may 19th, hopefully more as the playoffs go, islanders made a deal with cuomo for 50%
Bullock, Burks and Rose all probable  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 2:34 pm : link
Quickley remains questionable..
RE: RE: Knicks  
Bricktop : 5/13/2021 2:54 pm : link
In comment 15263220 nygiants16 said:
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What a great year. Would love to get the 4 seed locked up.

What is the deal for the playoffs attendance? Is it being increased? Haven't followed but I would love to get to a game.



5700 may 19th, hopefully more as the playoffs go, islanders made a deal with cuomo for 50%


How do you "make a deal" on something that's supposed to be based on science and safety?
RE: RE: RE: Knicks  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 3:01 pm : link
In comment 15263283 Bricktop said:
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What a great year. Would love to get the 4 seed locked up.

What is the deal for the playoffs attendance? Is it being increased? Haven't followed but I would love to get to a game.



5700 may 19th, hopefully more as the playoffs go, islanders made a deal with cuomo for 50%



How do you "make a deal" on something that's supposed to be based on science and safety?


Supposedly they sent a letter to cuomo and they got their arena set at 50%
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/13/2021 3:53 pm : link
Really hoping to fly up for a game @ MSG.
Burks, Bullock and Rose  
larryflower37 : 5/13/2021 4:46 pm : link
Upgraded to probably for tonight's game

Quickley is listed as Questionable.
Last 2 games hornets and Celtics  
larryflower37 : 5/13/2021 6:03 pm : link
Are 1 pm eastern start times
I’d like to get to 40 wins  
bceagle05 : 5/13/2021 6:26 pm : link
regardless of where we land in the bracket. Two of three seems doable here.
Bullock, Burks and Quick are in  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 6:28 pm : link
Rose is out..

I wonder if they are just resting Rose because he was probable..Wonder once Quick was good to go they decided to give rose the night off
RE: Bullock, Burks and Quick are in  
larryflower37 : 5/13/2021 6:34 pm : link
In comment 15263489 nygiants16 said:
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Rose is out..

I wonder if they are just resting Rose because he was probable..Wonder once Quick was good to go they decided to give rose the night off


Probably more to do with Burks running the point on the 2nd team.
RE: Last 2 games hornets and Celtics  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/13/2021 7:21 pm : link
In comment 15263475 larryflower37 said:
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Are 1 pm eastern start times


Love that, as wife & I got wedding Saturday @ 5, but should be good to watch it all.
Alright texted my buddy “Payton sucks”  
Leg of Theismann : 5/13/2021 7:47 pm : link
Lol we average saying it about 2.5 times per game
RE: Alright texted my buddy “Payton sucks”  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/13/2021 7:50 pm : link
In comment 15263561 Leg of Theismann said:
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Lol we average saying it about 2.5 times per game


Haha. In group chat with my old man & 3 other Knicks fans...'Payton fucking sucks' is pretty much autocorrect for us all, Haha.
Fuck off Payton  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 7:53 pm : link
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/13/2021 7:59 pm : link
One can predict each Knicks game: Elfrid goes in, sucks...Rose comes in & rallies the team either from behind or makes them expand their lead.
This team is fucked  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 7:59 pm : link
if Rose gets hurt
Spurs cant hit a shot and the gane is tied  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 8:02 pm : link
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RE: This team is fucked  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/13/2021 8:02 pm : link
In comment 15263574 nygiants16 said:
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if Rose gets hurt


One & done.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/13/2021 8:03 pm : link
If D-Rose is 100%, I think we can go toe to toe with whoever.
RE: RE: Alright texted my buddy “Payton sucks”  
Leg of Theismann : 5/13/2021 8:04 pm : link
In comment 15263564 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Lol we average saying it about 2.5 times per game



Haha. In group chat with my old man & 3 other Knicks fans...'Payton fucking sucks' is pretty much autocorrect for us all, Haha.


(Already*)

Hahahahahaha it’s just sad
RE: ...  
Leg of Theismann : 5/13/2021 8:06 pm : link
In comment 15263578 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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If D-Rose is 100%, I think we can go toe to toe with whoever.


I don’t even remember him getting hurt. What happened — Although now thinking about I kinda remember him like half limping for the entire 4th quarter (or not limping but just running “gingerly” or whatever )
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/13/2021 8:07 pm : link
Sprained left knee. No idea how serious. I hope it's just them being cautious.
RE: ...  
Leg of Theismann : 5/13/2021 8:11 pm : link
In comment 15263583 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Sprained left knee. No idea how serious. I hope it's just them being cautious.


Agreed let’s hope so. Luckily playoffs don’t start for 10 days—
Heat are blowing the doors off the Sixers  
Leg of Theismann : 5/13/2021 8:14 pm : link
Still not exactly sure why we were supposed to be happy they beat the Celtics
This is the Barrett i love  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 8:15 pm : link
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RE: ...  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 8:15 pm : link
In comment 15263583 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Sprained left knee. No idea how serious. I hope it's just them being cautious.


ankle, he was probable tonight, so clearly its a rest day
nygiants16  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/13/2021 8:17 pm : link
Yes, ankle, not knee. I always get the two confused.

Heat kicking Philly's ass right now...Ugh.
Knicks look like shit  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 8:22 pm : link
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Quickley sucks right now  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 8:24 pm : link
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/13/2021 8:25 pm : link
Both ATL & Miami up double digits right now. Hawks end season with Rockets...what a joke.
Miami crushing  
Carl in CT : 5/13/2021 8:29 pm : link
And we freaking suck tonight
team is sleepwalking  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 8:30 pm : link
welp hello Milwaukee
Burks playing the rose role  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 8:36 pm : link
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Still in good shape  
Leg of Theismann : 5/13/2021 8:37 pm : link
Not pretty tonight with Rose out but let’s see if we can still get this one— doesn’t have to be pretty just have to get it done . Then we just need to win the last 2 and hope Miami loses to Milwaukee and boom— 4 seed.
Burks should start the 2nd half  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 8:38 pm : link
didnt like Randle taking that last shot, should of been burks
Sixers are phoning this one in  
Leg of Theismann : 5/13/2021 8:41 pm : link
The starters are low on minutes it seems . I think they’re avoiding the physicality of Miami and just rolling the dice that they’ll beat the Magic twice and clinch the 1 seed.
RE: Sixers are phoning this one in  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/13/2021 8:44 pm : link
In comment 15263621 Leg of Theismann said:
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The starters are low on minutes it seems . I think they’re avoiding the physicality of Miami and just rolling the dice that they’ll beat the Magic twice and clinch the 1 seed.


I think they only need 1 more win to clinch the 1 seed?
RE: Sixers are phoning this one in  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 8:47 pm : link
In comment 15263621 Leg of Theismann said:
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The starters are low on minutes it seems . I think they’re avoiding the physicality of Miami and just rolling the dice that they’ll beat the Magic twice and clinch the 1 seed.


Hopefully Bucks take their game seriously
RE: RE: Sixers are phoning this one in  
Leg of Theismann : 5/13/2021 8:49 pm : link
In comment 15263625 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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The starters are low on minutes it seems . I think they’re avoiding the physicality of Miami and just rolling the dice that they’ll beat the Magic twice and clinch the 1 seed.



I think they only need 1 more win to clinch the 1 seed?


You’re right idky thought Nets had the tiebreaker over them. So yeah they’re resting up and then betting they can figure a way to beat the Magic at least 1 out of 2 . Makes sense. I bet the last thing they would want to do is show the Heat anything meaningful tonight considering the Heat have clearly proven they could be a threat to come out of the East.

We should’ve beaten the Lakers when we had the chance. Can’t rely on other teams.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/13/2021 8:55 pm : link
I feel like everyone is penciling the 76ers, Nets, or Bucks into Finals...don't sleep on the Heat. They are damn good. They got destroyed by COVID early, but have been coming on. They got playoff experience. I want nothing to do with them.
Thibs ever going to learn Payton sucks?  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 8:56 pm : link
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How is that continuation?  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 8:57 pm : link
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Cant do this every single game  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 8:58 pm : link
fall behind to start and to start the 3rd, enough with this shit, in the playoffs your going to be down 15 or 20
RE: Cant do this every single game  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/13/2021 8:59 pm : link
In comment 15263636 nygiants16 said:
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fall behind to start and to start the 3rd, enough with this shit, in the playoffs your going to be down 15 or 20


I love Thibs, but...
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/13/2021 9:00 pm : link
Great fucking start...
This is on Thibs  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 9:04 pm : link
Refusing to make an adjustment, there is no reason why Payton is still starting, id Rather Frank start at this point, every god damn game Payton sucks..

He is not even playing good defense getting cooked by Murray, enoigh is enough
Payton even knows he's terrible  
Bricktop : 5/13/2021 9:05 pm : link
He's like, what the fuck am I even doing out here?
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/13/2021 9:06 pm : link
Come the fuck on.
Team is dog shit without rose  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 9:07 pm : link
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If payton starts in the playoffs this team is getting swept  
Giantfan21 : 5/13/2021 9:07 pm : link
against either the Bucks or Nets.

You can;t start off each half down by 5 or 10 points and expect to win against the top teams in the league.

Thibs has done a great job this year but his stubbornness with Payton is terrible
Doesnt help Barrett and Bullock are trash right now as well  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 9:08 pm : link
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Zzzzzzzz  
bceagle05 : 5/13/2021 9:08 pm : link
Some jet lag for the fellas tonight. And the Spurs never miss apparently.
Thibs  
Bricktop : 5/13/2021 9:09 pm : link
looks like he wants to kill everyone.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/13/2021 9:09 pm : link
If it's us vs. Bucks...Ugh.
RE: ...  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 9:12 pm : link
In comment 15263655 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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If it's us vs. Bucks...Ugh.


Dont worry Payton will save the Knicks, His awesome defense is a catalyst
Down by 13  
Bricktop : 5/13/2021 9:15 pm : link
62 points with 3:00 left in the 3rd.

If they wake up, they can come back.
Every other player on this team gets yanked quicker than you can blink  
Stu11 : 5/13/2021 9:16 pm : link
If their guy scores twice in a row. Ass Payton spends 6 minutes getting torched like a camp fire by Murray and Thibs just watches.
RJ always bounces back.  
bceagle05 : 5/13/2021 9:21 pm : link
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Its amazing  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 9:21 pm : link
Barrett could be playing horrible then all off sudden he gets hot
Does Randle have it in his contract that he has to take the last shot  
Giantfan21 : 5/13/2021 9:24 pm : link
of every quarter ?

RJ is hot as hell give him the ball
what a soft call  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 9:41 pm : link
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Burks is so clutch  
Leg of Theismann : 5/13/2021 9:43 pm : link
We really missed him against the Lakers (quickley as well). We really are a team that needs every single last piece healthy to be an actual contender— but when we are 100% whew watch out
And I know I say that as we’re in a dogfight with the Spurs but  
Leg of Theismann : 5/13/2021 9:45 pm : link
Let’s remember we are missing our 2nd best player. Tbh with the way Rose is playing since he got here he and Randle have been 1a and 1b on this team in terms of importance
Sorry meaning  
Leg of Theismann : 5/13/2021 9:46 pm : link
Randle is “1a”
Blind ass ref  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 9:48 pm : link
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Imagine if this team  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 9:50 pm : link
didnt have to play from a hole every 1st and 3rd quarter
Is that woman next to Spike Lee nude?  
Anakim : 5/13/2021 9:52 pm : link
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what a joke of a call  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 9:52 pm : link
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The last minute or so has been fucking weird  
Anakim : 5/13/2021 9:53 pm : link
And IDK what Bullock is doing
should of been Knicks ball  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 9:53 pm : link
fucking refs
We knew this was going to be  
larryflower37 : 5/13/2021 9:54 pm : link
A dog fight.
But damn they are going to drag this out
Bullock  
Leg of Theismann : 5/13/2021 9:55 pm : link
No situational awareness. Let the motherfucker go. We hit 2 free throws and it’s over. Now they’re still very much in it
Well, a win is a win  
Anakim : 5/13/2021 9:59 pm : link
But that was all sorts of fucked up
That'll do it, the Knicks pull it out  
dpinzow : 5/13/2021 10:00 pm : link
2 games left. Burks saved them tonight with 30
RE: Down by 13  
Bricktop : 5/13/2021 10:01 pm : link
In comment 15263665 Bricktop said:
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62 points with 3:00 left in the 3rd.

If they wake up, they can come back.


I'm just sayin.

Some of y'all gave up.

Excellent win.
What is it going to take for Thibs to stop playing Payton ?  
Giantfan21 : 5/13/2021 10:02 pm : link
I know he is a smart guy but putting your team into a hole every night doesn't make any sense
That Miami-Milwaukee game on Saturday night is  
Giantfan21 : 5/13/2021 10:03 pm : link
basically going to be a playoff game. Milwaukee is going to do everything to get the 2 seed and Miami is going to do everything to avoid being 6th
Hi, question:  
Leg of Theismann : 5/13/2021 10:04 pm : link
Why can we not just give Burks Payton’s minutes from here on out? Give me one reason why not
Rebecca with a great  
Bricktop : 5/13/2021 10:04 pm : link
shirt (that no doubt smells like perfume and cigarettes) featuring Thibs in the foreground with the team backing him up - "I'm not happy unless I'm miserable."

That's awesome.
Ugly win but a good win  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 10:04 pm : link
this team took awhile to get into a groove and then the ball finally started moving the 3s started dropping..

Rose needs to be the starter and Burks or Iq can be the back up point
RE: That Miami-Milwaukee game on Saturday night is  
Leg of Theismann : 5/13/2021 10:09 pm : link
In comment 15263714 Giantfan21 said:
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basically going to be a playoff game. Milwaukee is going to do everything to get the 2 seed and Miami is going to do everything to avoid being 6th


I don’t see it that way tbh I mean it’s not like the Bucks control their destiny in that regard they would still need the Nets to lose to either the Bulls or Cavs. Still might be a good game but I’m not getting the sense the Bucks will have playoff like urgency in their game considering they likely still don’t get the 2 seed if they win . I mean as a Knick fan I hope they play with urgency lol but I think the Heat have more on the line they basically either play the Bucks or Hawks based on whether they win or not
RE: RE: That Miami-Milwaukee game on Saturday night is  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 10:16 pm : link
In comment 15263718 Leg of Theismann said:
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basically going to be a playoff game. Milwaukee is going to do everything to get the 2 seed and Miami is going to do everything to avoid being 6th



I don’t see it that way tbh I mean it’s not like the Bucks control their destiny in that regard they would still need the Nets to lose to either the Bulls or Cavs. Still might be a good game but I’m not getting the sense the Bucks will have playoff like urgency in their game considering they likely still don’t get the 2 seed if they win . I mean as a Knick fan I hope they play with urgency lol but I think the Heat have more on the line they basically either play the Bucks or Hawks based on whether they win or not


But at that point they are still figting for that 2 seed..
RE: RE: RE: That Miami-Milwaukee game on Saturday night is  
Leg of Theismann : 5/13/2021 10:23 pm : link
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basically going to be a playoff game. Milwaukee is going to do everything to get the 2 seed and Miami is going to do everything to avoid being 6th



I don’t see it that way tbh I mean it’s not like the Bucks control their destiny in that regard they would still need the Nets to lose to either the Bulls or Cavs. Still might be a good game but I’m not getting the sense the Bucks will have playoff like urgency in their game considering they likely still don’t get the 2 seed if they win . I mean as a Knick fan I hope they play with urgency lol but I think the Heat have more on the line they basically either play the Bucks or Hawks based on whether they win or not



But at that point they are still figting for that 2 seed..


True although they tip off 7 hours after the Nets game. If the Nets beat the Bulls earlier into the day then the Bucks only hope left would be for the Cavs to beat the Nets. Idk I’m sure they’ll give the Heat a game though
Hornets have lost 7 of their last 10  
Leg of Theismann : 5/13/2021 10:25 pm : link
And the Celtics have lost Brown and semi-spiraling. We need to close strong and get the job done.

I do think Bucks/Heat is gonna be tight. But That would be even better though if the Bulls somehow beat the Nets earlier in the day before the Bucks play!
RE: RE: RE: RE: That Miami-Milwaukee game on Saturday night is  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 10:31 pm : link
In comment 15263723 Leg of Theismann said:
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basically going to be a playoff game. Milwaukee is going to do everything to get the 2 seed and Miami is going to do everything to avoid being 6th



I don’t see it that way tbh I mean it’s not like the Bucks control their destiny in that regard they would still need the Nets to lose to either the Bulls or Cavs. Still might be a good game but I’m not getting the sense the Bucks will have playoff like urgency in their game considering they likely still don’t get the 2 seed if they win . I mean as a Knick fan I hope they play with urgency lol but I think the Heat have more on the line they basically either play the Bucks or Hawks based on whether they win or not



But at that point they are still figting for that 2 seed..



True although they tip off 7 hours after the Nets game. If the Nets beat the Bulls earlier into the day then the Bucks only hope left would be for the Cavs to beat the Nets. Idk I’m sure they’ll give the Heat a game though


Have to remember to Miami knocked the bucks out last year, could be some revenge there, Giannis looks like the type to hold a grudge
Bucks could very well tank that game  
Stu11 : 5/13/2021 10:32 pm : link
They know if the Heat finish 6th they are staring at them 1st rd. They'd probably rather help the Heat into 4th or 5th
RE: RE: RE: RE: That Miami-Milwaukee game on Saturday night is  
Giantfan21 : 5/13/2021 10:32 pm : link
In comment 15263723 Leg of Theismann said:
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basically going to be a playoff game. Milwaukee is going to do everything to get the 2 seed and Miami is going to do everything to avoid being 6th



I don’t see it that way tbh I mean it’s not like the Bucks control their destiny in that regard they would still need the Nets to lose to either the Bulls or Cavs. Still might be a good game but I’m not getting the sense the Bucks will have playoff like urgency in their game considering they likely still don’t get the 2 seed if they win . I mean as a Knick fan I hope they play with urgency lol but I think the Heat have more on the line they basically either play the Bucks or Hawks based on whether they win or not



But at that point they are still figting for that 2 seed..



True although they tip off 7 hours after the Nets game. If the Nets beat the Bulls earlier into the day then the Bucks only hope left would be for the Cavs to beat the Nets. Idk I’m sure they’ll give the Heat a game though


I was thinking about it. If the nets beat the bulls then if the Bucks win they likely would play the Heat in the 1st round.

I would think they would want to avoid them and rather play the Knicks in the 1st round instead. I think there is a chance they look at the matchups and lay down.Going to be very interesting if they come out hard to win or play like Philly did tonight
RE: Hornets have lost 7 of their last 10  
nygiants16 : 5/13/2021 10:32 pm : link
In comment 15263725 Leg of Theismann said:
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And the Celtics have lost Brown and semi-spiraling. We need to close strong and get the job done.

I do think Bucks/Heat is gonna be tight. But That would be even better though if the Bulls somehow beat the Nets earlier in the day before the Bucks play!


Celtixs may not play anyone on sunday
RE: RE: Hornets have lost 7 of their last 10  
larryflower37 : 5/13/2021 11:00 pm : link
In comment 15263731 nygiants16 said:
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And the Celtics have lost Brown and semi-spiraling. We need to close strong and get the job done.

I do think Bucks/Heat is gonna be tight. But That would be even better though if the Bulls somehow beat the Nets earlier in the day before the Bucks play!



Celtixs may not play anyone on sunday

Celtics won't play anyone Sunday.
If they beat Minnesota they lock down the 7th seed and the Knicks game is meaningless also a back to back.
They could lose to Minnesota and still own the 7th seed if the hornets and Pacers lose a game.
RJ baby!  
adamg : 5/13/2021 11:01 pm : link
And Burks with the treinta! Love it.
RE: Hi, question:  
larryflower37 : 5/13/2021 11:05 pm : link
In comment 15263715 Leg of Theismann said:
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Why can we not just give Burks Payton’s minutes from here on out? Give me one reason why not


You could start Rose and bring Burks in with the second unit.
I get he is not as strong defensively as Peyton so it would be better to match with the 2nd unit
Back from the Garden!! What a fun night -  
Del Shofner : 5/13/2021 11:05 pm : link
first off, thanks to my son, whose idea and treat this was. He had this idea as soon as the reduced-attendance tickets went on sale. He checked the scalping price and we could have sold the tickets for four times what he paid for them. Not that we would have. I can only imagine the scalping for the playoffs.

As for the MSG experience - I brought my vax card, which was needed, and then you had to take a health survey on your phone and provide info so that they could find you in a worst case situation. It was a good thing I was with my son because I'm not sure I would have figured out this phone survey stuff on my own, lol. But he said our granddaughter's school does something similar so he knew the ropes.

Once inside, the Garden was nice. A lot has been renovated since I was last there. A lot of new food outlets that look good - but only about 20% of them were open under these conditions. All the bars were open though, and there were some pretty drunk Knicks fans! A really nice new scoreboard - big improvement. The "crowd" was great - a surprising number of kids for a weeknight. And, although it was weird not to have all the energy of a big crowd, it wasn't bad to have like 15 feet between you and the next fans! That will end soon I guess.

It was fun watching the pre-game warmups. IQ was not good during the game, but I'll tell you that kid has a sweet shot. In warmups he effortlessly sank 3 after 3. Obi put on a dunk show and wasn't bad in limited time in the game.

As for the game - we had a good vantage point and it's always better to see the whole floor all the time. From that vantage point, I can say:

- Elfrid Payton looks even worse in person than on TV. When you see the whole floor, you see how he confounds his teammates expectations on every possession. HIs teammates never know what he's going to do. His being decent on D and on drives does not justify his shortcomings. Luckily This didn't play him much in either half.

- RJ is still going through growing pains but I think he's going to be an All Star type player in 2 or 3 years. Can't believe he's 20 - he's a grown man out there, not fazed by the NBA game at all. Started slow but was clutch in the 4th.

- Burks is a solid vet who saved the day in Rose's absence.

- Noel had an off game. He and Randle looked like they were nursing minor injuries the whole game, although JR was still good as usual. Taj is a real team player, they're better on O with Taj than Noel because Taj sets high screens better than anyone else I've seen, and unlike Noel he has decent hands and can score a little here and there.

Fun night. The first real public event I've been to since this all started. The subways from and back to Brooklyn were fine too.
Del  
Bricktop : 5/13/2021 11:41 pm : link
That's so great to hear you had an amazing time with your son. Thanks so much for sharing.
Del  
larryflower37 : 5/13/2021 11:48 pm : link
Thanks for sharing and sounds like an awesome experience.
LFGK!!!
So the Celtics clinched the 7th seed  
larryflower37 : 5/13/2021 11:56 pm : link
So they will probably rest everyone for the final 2 games.

Need to hope Miami loses to the Bucks.
So i think we saw what Thibs will do in the Playoffs  
nygiants16 : 5/14/2021 7:59 am : link
shorter rotation, more minutes for the starters, less of a leash on Toppin and Quick
why cant we just start burks?  
Italianju : 5/14/2021 8:41 am : link
im really hoping that is the plan once he is back and healthy. I cant believe that Thibs has done such a good job yet he keeps doing this really stupid thing. I mean i get that Burks and IQ were hurt which did limit the options, but once everyone is back you cant start Payton. If you want to bring rose off the bench, fine, but just start anyone. Literally anyone, start Taj and Noel together for all i care. We are fighting for the 4 seed yet have what has to be the worst starting PG in the whole league.
RE: why cant we just start burks?  
nygiants16 : 5/14/2021 8:53 am : link
In comment 15263842 Italianju said:
Quote:
im really hoping that is the plan once he is back and healthy. I cant believe that Thibs has done such a good job yet he keeps doing this really stupid thing. I mean i get that Burks and IQ were hurt which did limit the options, but once everyone is back you cant start Payton. If you want to bring rose off the bench, fine, but just start anyone. Literally anyone, start Taj and Noel together for all i care. We are fighting for the 4 seed yet have what has to be the worst starting PG in the whole league.


i was reading some stats Randle with Payton is a -85 and with Payton off he is +226..

Payton is the only negative player besides Noel who is -13..

Craxy to think where this team would be without Payton..

-80 during their win streak
RE: So i think we saw what Thibs will do in the Playoffs  
Stu11 : 5/14/2021 8:57 am : link
In comment 15263797 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
shorter rotation, more minutes for the starters, less of a leash on Toppin and Quick

Yep. Meanwhile Payton is left out there to get torched by Murray for 7 minutes in the 3rd quarter. Truly mind boggling.
Yesterday during his oresser  
nygiants16 : 5/14/2021 8:58 am : link
was the first time Thibs when asked about Payton didnt wax poetic about his versatility, kind of side stepped the question
feels very weird to get excited about the playoffs  
Greg from LI : 5/14/2021 9:05 am : link
It's like an out-of-body experience. At the start of the season, I never thought for a second they'd be in this position.
Can the Knicks finish as #6 seed  
Metnut : 5/14/2021 9:19 am : link
if they win out?
RE: Can the Knicks finish as #6 seed  
nygiants16 : 5/14/2021 9:22 am : link
In comment 15263892 Metnut said:
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if they win out?


yes
Elf needed to be benched weeks ago.  
Enzo : 5/14/2021 9:38 am : link
In the playoffs, Reggie/Rose/Quick need to get the majority of the mins. You can slide Burks to guard when necessary (e.g. Reggie gets in foul trouble). If you need guard minutes from someone else, I still don't want Elf out there. Throw Frank out there instead.
I think Thibs will tighten it up  
larryflower37 : 5/14/2021 10:01 am : link
But Peyton is getting playoff minutes and most likely starting.
Thibs is hard headed with things sometimes.
In the playoffs like with the Denver game we can't get down early and expect to fight back.
Really good teams put you away.

This could be the downfall of this team in the playoffs.
RE: So i think we saw what Thibs will do in the Playoffs  
Big Blue '56 : 5/14/2021 10:28 am : link
In comment 15263797 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
shorter rotation, more minutes for the starters, less of a leash on Toppin and Quick


During our first ever title run in ‘69/‘70, Holzman went with 8 players most of the time
Thibs is absolutely sticking with Payton.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/14/2021 10:33 am : link
For better or worse. Not hard to see that coming.

last night's win cannot be overstated  
djm : 5/14/2021 10:54 am : link
ugly win my ass. That was a thing of beauty.
RE: Back from the Garden!! What a fun night -  
djm : 5/14/2021 10:56 am : link
In comment 15263747 Del Shofner said:
Quote:
first off, thanks to my son, whose idea and treat this was. He had this idea as soon as the reduced-attendance tickets went on sale. He checked the scalping price and we could have sold the tickets for four times what he paid for them. Not that we would have. I can only imagine the scalping for the playoffs.

As for the MSG experience - I brought my vax card, which was needed, and then you had to take a health survey on your phone and provide info so that they could find you in a worst case situation. It was a good thing I was with my son because I'm not sure I would have figured out this phone survey stuff on my own, lol. But he said our granddaughter's school does something similar so he knew the ropes.

Once inside, the Garden was nice. A lot has been renovated since I was last there. A lot of new food outlets that look good - but only about 20% of them were open under these conditions. All the bars were open though, and there were some pretty drunk Knicks fans! A really nice new scoreboard - big improvement. The "crowd" was great - a surprising number of kids for a weeknight. And, although it was weird not to have all the energy of a big crowd, it wasn't bad to have like 15 feet between you and the next fans! That will end soon I guess.

It was fun watching the pre-game warmups. IQ was not good during the game, but I'll tell you that kid has a sweet shot. In warmups he effortlessly sank 3 after 3. Obi put on a dunk show and wasn't bad in limited time in the game.

As for the game - we had a good vantage point and it's always better to see the whole floor all the time. From that vantage point, I can say:

- Elfrid Payton looks even worse in person than on TV. When you see the whole floor, you see how he confounds his teammates expectations on every possession. HIs teammates never know what he's going to do. His being decent on D and on drives does not justify his shortcomings. Luckily This didn't play him much in either half.

- RJ is still going through growing pains but I think he's going to be an All Star type player in 2 or 3 years. Can't believe he's 20 - he's a grown man out there, not fazed by the NBA game at all. Started slow but was clutch in the 4th.

- Burks is a solid vet who saved the day in Rose's absence.

- Noel had an off game. He and Randle looked like they were nursing minor injuries the whole game, although JR was still good as usual. Taj is a real team player, they're better on O with Taj than Noel because Taj sets high screens better than anyone else I've seen, and unlike Noel he has decent hands and can score a little here and there.

Fun night. The first real public event I've been to since this all started. The subways from and back to Brooklyn were fine too.


Good insight, Del. Thanks
Great comeback  
Heisenberg : 5/14/2021 11:23 am : link
The Knicks haven't had that kind of grit to not let that game slip away in years. Fun times.
Here is what playoffs should look like  
GMEN46 : 5/14/2021 11:39 am : link
Starting
PG - Burks
SG - Bullock
SF - Barrett
PF - Randle
C - Noel unless Mitch is back which is unlikely

Bench
PG - Rose
SG - Quickley
SF - Frank
PF - OBi
C - Gibson
RE: Back from the Garden!! What a fun night -  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/14/2021 11:51 am : link
In comment 15263747 Del Shofner said:
Quote:
first off, thanks to my son, whose idea and treat this was. He had this idea as soon as the reduced-attendance tickets went on sale. He checked the scalping price and we could have sold the tickets for four times what he paid for them. Not that we would have. I can only imagine the scalping for the playoffs.

As for the MSG experience - I brought my vax card, which was needed, and then you had to take a health survey on your phone and provide info so that they could find you in a worst case situation. It was a good thing I was with my son because I'm not sure I would have figured out this phone survey stuff on my own, lol. But he said our granddaughter's school does something similar so he knew the ropes.

Once inside, the Garden was nice. A lot has been renovated since I was last there. A lot of new food outlets that look good - but only about 20% of them were open under these conditions. All the bars were open though, and there were some pretty drunk Knicks fans! A really nice new scoreboard - big improvement. The "crowd" was great - a surprising number of kids for a weeknight. And, although it was weird not to have all the energy of a big crowd, it wasn't bad to have like 15 feet between you and the next fans! That will end soon I guess.

It was fun watching the pre-game warmups. IQ was not good during the game, but I'll tell you that kid has a sweet shot. In warmups he effortlessly sank 3 after 3. Obi put on a dunk show and wasn't bad in limited time in the game.

As for the game - we had a good vantage point and it's always better to see the whole floor all the time. From that vantage point, I can say:

- Elfrid Payton looks even worse in person than on TV. When you see the whole floor, you see how he confounds his teammates expectations on every possession. HIs teammates never know what he's going to do. His being decent on D and on drives does not justify his shortcomings. Luckily This didn't play him much in either half.

- RJ is still going through growing pains but I think he's going to be an All Star type player in 2 or 3 years. Can't believe he's 20 - he's a grown man out there, not fazed by the NBA game at all. Started slow but was clutch in the 4th.

- Burks is a solid vet who saved the day in Rose's absence.

- Noel had an off game. He and Randle looked like they were nursing minor injuries the whole game, although JR was still good as usual. Taj is a real team player, they're better on O with Taj than Noel because Taj sets high screens better than anyone else I've seen, and unlike Noel he has decent hands and can score a little here and there.

Fun night. The first real public event I've been to since this all started. The subways from and back to Brooklyn were fine too.


Del, awesome. Great you had a good time. And saw a win to boot!
Honestly I think Tak should start  
Stu11 : 5/14/2021 12:01 pm : link
And play more than Noel but I know they won't upset the apple cart at this point. He's light years better at setting screens legally, much better hands and finisher inside, can get more physical with good bigs and is a much more consistent offensive rebounder.
"Taj"  
Stu11 : 5/14/2021 12:01 pm : link
.
Payton plays because the HC loves him setting the tone on D  
djm : 5/14/2021 12:16 pm : link


Payton also is playing as badly as he has all year long. If he was this bad all year he wouldn't be playing as much as he has. If he doesn't improve he likely sees the bench.

People have been bitching about this guy from day one this season. The HC is awesome. The HC plays Payton for a reason. Don't understand why some of you can't reconcile this. If the HC was an idiot I could see, but he's the savior.
" setting the tone in D"  
Stu11 : 5/14/2021 12:29 pm : link
Oh yeah he really set the tone at the beginning of the 3rd quarter last night...for some of the shittiest 7 minutes of defense we've played all year.
Do we know how close  
Jon in NYC : 5/14/2021 12:42 pm : link
Mitch is to returning?

If we could have him for some playoff minutes that could be great, and if nothing else an opportunity to showcase him for a potential trade.
RE: Do we know how close  
Stu11 : 5/14/2021 12:48 pm : link
In comment 15264123 Jon in NYC said:
Quote:
Mitch is to returning?

If we could have him for some playoff minutes that could be great, and if nothing else an opportunity to showcase him for a potential trade.

Foot injuries and bigs are never a quick heal. Pretty sure we're not seeing Mitch till next year.
RE: Do we know how close  
nygiants16 : 5/14/2021 12:49 pm : link
In comment 15264123 Jon in NYC said:
Quote:
Mitch is to returning?

If we could have him for some playoff minutes that could be great, and if nothing else an opportunity to showcase him for a potential trade.


I doubt they push him, foot injuries with a big man is nothing to play with
RE: Payton plays because the HC loves him setting the tone on D  
Enzo : 5/14/2021 1:03 pm : link
In comment 15264095 djm said:
Quote:


Payton also is playing as badly as he has all year long. If he was this bad all year he wouldn't be playing as much as he has. If he doesn't improve he likely sees the bench.

People have been bitching about this guy from day one this season. The HC is awesome. The HC plays Payton for a reason. Don't understand why some of you can't reconcile this. If the HC was an idiot I could see, but he's the savior.

I fully realize that Thibs has forgotten more about basketball than all of cour collective "knowledge" combined. That said, he is not infallible. It's not impossible for a guy who's a good coach to have the occasional blind spot.
I do think If Payton is still starting  
nygiants16 : 5/14/2021 1:05 pm : link
which i think he will be, Thibs will have a much quicker hook, with Rose, Burks and Quick you got plenty of depth to do that..

Also thr Knicks will have 5 to 6 days of rest after sunday
what kills me  
Enzo : 5/14/2021 2:05 pm : link
is that we have the depth to bench Payton. Rose should be gettnig the majority of the minutes (duh). But Burks and Quick can cover the rest. Or Frank in a pinch.
I am generally against...  
Jan in DC : 5/14/2021 2:08 pm : link
shitting on one player over and over, but Payton was really really bad last game. And each of these games recently, it feels like having him out there puts us in a hole to begin with.

He plays hard. He plays decent defense, you can feel how much he wants to do well. But he's just not as good as about 3 guys we have on the bench. That's just facts at this point.
I root for Peyton to unlock it  
larryflower37 : 5/14/2021 2:30 pm : link
But he is basically the same player he has been for the last 7 years.
He has made no improvement.
He is solid depth on a losing team
He plays hard every game, takes it to the Rim and has had some success at times distributing the ball.
Also solid defense.
But he doesn't elevate a playoff team.
He has never been a strong finisher,
Peyton is a mediocre player on an okay team.
This New York Knicks team needs a lot more than that at this point in this season .
Thibs needs to start to trust the other ball players on this team.
Peyton is a professional and goes out every day and busts his butt and I think that's what thibs loves about him.
It's just not enough
even if he falls on his face  
Enzo : 5/14/2021 2:34 pm : link
I'd rather Quick get the playoff reps.
He just doesnt have a feel for the game  
nygiants16 : 5/14/2021 2:45 pm : link
he has no idea when to pass and when to try and score, completely kills all momentum the offesne ever gets
You can also tell a good point guard  
nygiants16 : 5/14/2021 2:48 pm : link
if they know who has it going on the court and feeds that guy constantly...How many times has Payton looked off the guy eho had made a few shots in a row to drive to score himself only to miss or get blocked?
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