Other vet backs who signed in the FA stage were all mostly given the same contract. Drake get more and he's a backup to Jacobd in LV. Gallman got little because he sat in FA and offers zero ST value. Booker is a Giant and signed as such because Judge felt he offered value as both a runner and in ST.
OK -
- Rent a wreck?
- The last stop on the NFL alimentary canal?
Of course, the unhappiness is even worse when the opposite happens; a talented player is let walk after his rookie contract ends, like Dalvin Tomlinson.
RB's unfortunately tend to have a short shelf life. And when a RB can still do something useful for a team, such as Alfred Morris did last season, even if most of their ability is diminished, it's a good pick up. They can always be cut if they can't contribute, and there's usually no need for them to stick around beyond the first year.
I think Booker may be a different case. He has a skill set which should mesh nicely with the Giants' needs, and I think he still has something left in the tank.
RE: surprised nobody is whining about DG signing another veteran RB
Exact opposite. Clement is why you don't panic about your 3rd RB and why any speculation about the Giants investing a Day 2 pick on a RB in the draft for depth purposes was beyond stupid. The Clement types are a dime a dozen and can be signed at the minimum at almost any point. Adrian Peterson is on ice waiting for a starting RB to get hurt. He's very capable. There are still 10-20 Clements-types sitting out there without a contract right now. RB isn't a developmental position.
why would you draft a RB when you have a guy that does it all in Barkley? Just sign a cheap veteran that can take some snaps. Save the picks for upgrading Dline,Oline and cbs. Heck you draft a RB and he is good he still doesn't play with Barkley on this team.
Drafting a rb in the 6th round, when we only had 2 NFL type rbs on the roster, and the main guy is coming off serious injuries in b2b years...... I could get it if we drafted one on day 1 or 2, but in the 6th round you shouldn’t even be thinking about roster construction at all. You take guys who are great on specials with other traits you can potentially work with.
got nothing because he apparently isn't a very good football player.
Let's remember, when Barkley went down the Giants had to totally scrap their run game because Gallman couldn't run zone plays. (They shifted to a power scheme.) He also apparently can't pass block, be effective in the receiving game or play special teams.
And I went back and watched that week 17 game vs. DAL. Not only does he almost give the game away with that horrific fumble at the end, he also fumbled a hand-off in the 1st half. 2 fumbles in a critical, Playoff-style game for the Giants without being touched.
why would you draft a RB when you have a guy that does it all in Barkley? Just sign a cheap veteran that can take some snaps. Save the picks for upgrading Dline,Oline and cbs. Heck you draft a RB and he is good he still doesn't play with Barkley on this team.
You can't be serious, can you?
Payback for jumping ahead of Giants for DeVonta Smith
at the RB position. It gets overlooked a lot how disastrous it was for the Giants to go in to last season with really no one behind Barkley who could step in to that role. Especially in a year where depth was even more important due covid protocols that shouldn't have happened. Seems like they're trying to correct that mistake.
got nothing because he apparently isn't a very good football player.
Let's remember, when Barkley went down the Giants had to totally scrap their run game because Gallman couldn't run zone plays. (They shifted to a power scheme.) He also apparently can't pass block, be effective in the receiving game or play special teams.
And I went back and watched that week 17 game vs. DAL. Not only does he almost give the game away with that horrific fumble at the end, he also fumbled a hand-off in the 1st half. 2 fumbles in a critical, Playoff-style game for the Giants without being touched.
Gallman was damn good player. Shiity players generally don't start on National Championship teams
Yeah the fumble against Dallas was awful. But he did average 6.5 yards a carry against them too and got a couple of huge first downs.
Putting up 135 yards on the road against a very good Seahawks defense playing with an offense that couldn't throw the ball saved the season. He's arguably just as a good a blocker as Barkley is as well.
The 49ers aren't in the business of signing of shitty guys. I have nothing against Booker but I would have preferred keeping Gallman.
got nothing because he apparently isn't a very good football player.
Let's remember, when Barkley went down the Giants had to totally scrap their run game because Gallman couldn't run zone plays. (They shifted to a power scheme.) He also apparently can't pass block, be effective in the receiving game or play special teams.
And I went back and watched that week 17 game vs. DAL. Not only does he almost give the game away with that horrific fumble at the end, he also fumbled a hand-off in the 1st half. 2 fumbles in a critical, Playoff-style game for the Giants without being touched.
Gallman was damn good player. Shiity players generally don't start on National Championship teams
Yeah the fumble against Dallas was awful. But he did average 6.5 yards a carry against them too and got a couple of huge first downs.
Putting up 135 yards on the road against a very good Seahawks defense playing with an offense that couldn't throw the ball saved the season. He's arguably just as a good a blocker as Barkley is as well.
The 49ers aren't in the business of signing of shitty guys. I have nothing against Booker but I would have preferred keeping Gallman.
This has been stated numerous times, it isn't about Gallman as a runner. Gallman fell out of favor with 3 coaching staffs in the NFL. The Niners signed him to basically a vet min deal. Then they drafted 2 more RBs in the draft. Gallman runs well and that is about it. He can catch a little too. But when you are the type of player he is you have to play specials and play it well. He is also not a pass protector. There is a clear reason the Giants went after Booker and had no interest in bringing Gallman back. It didn't have to be in or the other. They could have easily had both. Some fans just choose to see only what they want to see.
at the RB position. It gets overlooked a lot how disastrous it was for the Giants to go in to last season with really no one behind Barkley who could step in to that role. Especially in a year where depth was even more important due covid protocols that shouldn't have happened. Seems like they're trying to correct that mistake.
who got swallowed up and did basically nothing at the end of the season - he did not finish strong
He had a couple of good games, produced in a back up role early on, and then that was it. The last quarter of the season he was the feature back and he basically disappeared (as in got swallowed) in that role
both Alfred Morris and Devonta Freeman, who are "washed up," according to a large number of you, performed better and stronger than Gallman when they had their opportunities
Those two really showed the need for a strong North-South running back presence on the team - Clement has a much more solid body type than Gallman - and while he's smaller than Freeman - he is of a similar ilk.
got nothing because he apparently isn't a very good football player.
Let's remember, when Barkley went down the Giants had to totally scrap their run game because Gallman couldn't run zone plays. (They shifted to a power scheme.) He also apparently can't pass block, be effective in the receiving game or play special teams.
And I went back and watched that week 17 game vs. DAL. Not only does he almost give the game away with that horrific fumble at the end, he also fumbled a hand-off in the 1st half. 2 fumbles in a critical, Playoff-style game for the Giants without being touched.
Gallman was damn good player. Shiity players generally don't start on National Championship teams
Yeah the fumble against Dallas was awful. But he did average 6.5 yards a carry against them too and got a couple of huge first downs.
Putting up 135 yards on the road against a very good Seahawks defense playing with an offense that couldn't throw the ball saved the season. He's arguably just as a good a blocker as Barkley is as well.
The 49ers aren't in the business of signing of shitty guys. I have nothing against Booker but I would have preferred keeping Gallman.
This has been stated numerous times, it isn't about Gallman as a runner. Gallman fell out of favor with 3 coaching staffs in the NFL. The Niners signed him to basically a vet min deal. Then they drafted 2 more RBs in the draft. Gallman runs well and that is about it. He can catch a little too. But when you are the type of player he is you have to play specials and play it well. He is also not a pass protector. There is a clear reason the Giants went after Booker and had no interest in bringing Gallman back. It didn't have to be in or the other. They could have easily had both. Some fans just choose to see only what they want to see.
Gallman averaged 4.6 yards a carry in 2020 with a compromised QB down the stretch, a mediocre offensive line and one of the worst receiving units in the NFL. I thought that people saying he was not a good football player was little too disparaging. No one is waxing poetically about Wayne Gallman, I get it. So Shurmur had no idea how to use him.
Like you said - see what you want to see. I see a guy who would have been a useful 3d or 4th back. Maybe he wanted too much cash - I know. I happen to think he's a better player than Booker. I think maybe a few people agree. The Giants didn't. Doesn't mean he's not a good player though.
he can battle with the RB they drafted late to make the team.
Both can play specials, let them battle it out.
Although, the Giants tend to keep their draft picks for a
little while at least.
both Alfred Morris and Devonta Freeman, who are "washed up," according to a large number of you, performed better and stronger than Gallman when they had their opportunities
Those two really showed the need for a strong North-South running back presence on the team - Clement has a much more solid body type than Gallman - and while he's smaller than Freeman - he is of a similar ilk.
+1.
As is Booker from the limited amount of video I've watched of him. The knock on Clement coming out of school was inconsistent effort.
who got swallowed up and did basically nothing at the end of the season - he did not finish strong
He had a couple of good games, produced in a back up role early on, and then that was it. The last quarter of the season he was the feature back and he basically disappeared (as in got swallowed) in that role
This Gallman thing is driving me nuts. I was one of the few people here who didn't understand why he didn't find his way up the depth chart. Now I now why and because our line was run blocking well all of a sudden Gallman and Morris are good players.
This is hard to fathom to people because our line has been so bad, but they run blocked well last year, and if Saquon was back there healthy probably would have led the league in rushing. Everyone points to our OL like they suck because they don't pass block well, well with actual backs back there we can ameleriote their poor bass blocking by keeping defenses honest. Defenses last year didn't give a shit because they weren't scared of Gallman or Morris at all. Freeman jacked up some attention, but he got hurt early.
Gallman is the reason why the running game suffered?
nobody is saying it's great but they did well run blocking last season. I liked Wayne but he couldn't bounce away from a linebacker
They had some good games run blocking. And they had some not so good games, including late in the season.
Gallman is not Barkley breaking off 60 yard runs, but he held his own last season. Probably was Co MVP of the offense with Gates, but I guess it’s time to blame him since he has moved on...
nobody is saying it's great but they did well run blocking last season. I liked Wayne but he couldn't bounce away from a linebacker
They had some good games run blocking. And they had some not so good games, including late in the season.
Gallman is not Barkley breaking off 60 yard runs, but he held his own last season. Probably was Co MVP of the offense with Gates, but I guess it’s time to blame him since he has moved on...
I agree, loved riding along the Wayne Train. He did an admirable job for his limited skill set.
RE: Gallman is the reason why the running game suffered?
Yes the line ran blocked well and Gallman couldn’t win a 1 v 1 matchup to save his life. There was a ton of yardage left on the field. Freeman was our best runner, but he didn’t last long. He also left a ton of yardage on field top with his unwillingness to take anything to the outside.
And I think SF is going to be disappointed. They run that outside zone scheme with Shanahan. The Giants had to completely change their run scheme when Barkley went down because none of their RBs (including Gallman) could run zone.
And I think SF is going to be disappointed. They run that outside zone scheme with Shanahan. The Giants had to completely change their run scheme when Barkley went down because none of their RBs (including Gallman) could run zone.
Do you think Shanahan, who has had a ton of success with a laundry list of RBs, brought in a guy who can't run zone and doesn't have the skill to do it?
Yes he is not a stud RB. Nobody is claiming he is. His pass pro and receiving are sub-par. But he is not the hot garbage many of you think he is just because he is no longer here.
all the rbs that have been cycled through are interchangible talents
at least at this point in all of their respective careers.
Gallman is an effort runner, stuck in quicksand, who coaches seemed to not trust for some reason.
Booker and Clement seem like more well rounded players but that remains to be seen. I assume the coaches will trust them more than Gallman since they were chosen by these coaches and Gallman was not.
I actually expected them to bring back Morris and maybe they will at some point bc he ran well for a minimum old guy last year. He still has really good instincts and vision.
If there's 1 player who I think they may have been well served spending a bit more $ on in FA to upgrade the position it would have been Jamaal Williams. Didn't get much more money than Booker and he's a really strong receiving option who has gotten better running the ball each year as well.
but he isn’t a fit for what we are trying to do. Fans wanted more of him and they got it last season - a ton of effort and “hard yards”, zero threat to bring it to the house and almost zero ability to make people miss. He should do well in SF, it’s the best possible landing spot for him.
Is a solid RB3. If I remember correctly, didn’t he have a pretty serious injury in the year after the super bowl they won? As a rookie, he was a big part of that SB run but never seemed to gain traction after
I was worried that they left some good running backs on the draft board, but this signing offsets that. I had wanted a quick dave meggett type guy to complement Barkley, but it appears that Toney will actually play that role...
And I think SF is going to be disappointed. They run that outside zone scheme with Shanahan. The Giants had to completely change their run scheme when Barkley went down because none of their RBs (including Gallman) could run zone.
Do you think Shanahan, who has had a ton of success with a laundry list of RBs, brought in a guy who can't run zone and doesn't have the skill to do it?
Yes he is not a stud RB. Nobody is claiming he is. His pass pro and receiving are sub-par. But he is not the hot garbage many of you think he is just because he is no longer here.
He also could have brought WG in to see what he has or doesn’t have. Same with us re Clement, Benjamin perhaps..What kind of guaranteed money did WG receive? That might tell us something. The kid’s young, what does Shanahan have to lose?
but he isn’t a fit for what we are trying to do. Fans wanted more of him and they got it last season - a ton of effort and “hard yards”, zero threat to bring it to the house and almost zero ability to make people miss. He should do well in SF, it’s the best possible landing spot for him.
This is exactly right. Gallman isn't a bad football player. He's an average one who can be solid but leaves a lot of yards on the field.
And he's had numerous coaching staffs sour on his ability to pick up the playbook
Any veteran trying out at a rookie minicamp is not getting more than the league minimum.
Other vet backs who signed in the FA stage were all mostly given the same contract. Drake get more and he's a backup to Jacobd in LV. Gallman got little because he sat in FA and offers zero ST value. Booker is a Giant and signed as such because Judge felt he offered value as both a runner and in ST.
Disappointed? ;-)
OK -
- Rent a wreck?
- The last stop on the NFL alimentary canal?
Of course, the unhappiness is even worse when the opposite happens; a talented player is let walk after his rookie contract ends, like Dalvin Tomlinson.
RB's unfortunately tend to have a short shelf life. And when a RB can still do something useful for a team, such as Alfred Morris did last season, even if most of their ability is diminished, it's a good pick up. They can always be cut if they can't contribute, and there's usually no need for them to stick around beyond the first year.
I think Booker may be a different case. He has a skill set which should mesh nicely with the Giants' needs, and I think he still has something left in the tank.
Exact opposite. Clement is why you don't panic about your 3rd RB and why any speculation about the Giants investing a Day 2 pick on a RB in the draft for depth purposes was beyond stupid. The Clement types are a dime a dozen and can be signed at the minimum at almost any point. Adrian Peterson is on ice waiting for a starting RB to get hurt. He's very capable. There are still 10-20 Clements-types sitting out there without a contract right now. RB isn't a developmental position.
Let's remember, when Barkley went down the Giants had to totally scrap their run game because Gallman couldn't run zone plays. (They shifted to a power scheme.) He also apparently can't pass block, be effective in the receiving game or play special teams.
And I went back and watched that week 17 game vs. DAL. Not only does he almost give the game away with that horrific fumble at the end, he also fumbled a hand-off in the 1st half. 2 fumbles in a critical, Playoff-style game for the Giants without being touched.
You can't be serious, can you?
Is Alfred Morris still on the roster?
Let's remember, when Barkley went down the Giants had to totally scrap their run game because Gallman couldn't run zone plays. (They shifted to a power scheme.) He also apparently can't pass block, be effective in the receiving game or play special teams.
And I went back and watched that week 17 game vs. DAL. Not only does he almost give the game away with that horrific fumble at the end, he also fumbled a hand-off in the 1st half. 2 fumbles in a critical, Playoff-style game for the Giants without being touched.
Gallman was damn good player. Shiity players generally don't start on National Championship teams
Yeah the fumble against Dallas was awful. But he did average 6.5 yards a carry against them too and got a couple of huge first downs.
Putting up 135 yards on the road against a very good Seahawks defense playing with an offense that couldn't throw the ball saved the season. He's arguably just as a good a blocker as Barkley is as well.
The 49ers aren't in the business of signing of shitty guys. I have nothing against Booker but I would have preferred keeping Gallman.
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got nothing because he apparently isn't a very good football player.
Let's remember, when Barkley went down the Giants had to totally scrap their run game because Gallman couldn't run zone plays. (They shifted to a power scheme.) He also apparently can't pass block, be effective in the receiving game or play special teams.
And I went back and watched that week 17 game vs. DAL. Not only does he almost give the game away with that horrific fumble at the end, he also fumbled a hand-off in the 1st half. 2 fumbles in a critical, Playoff-style game for the Giants without being touched.
Gallman was damn good player. Shiity players generally don't start on National Championship teams
Yeah the fumble against Dallas was awful. But he did average 6.5 yards a carry against them too and got a couple of huge first downs.
Putting up 135 yards on the road against a very good Seahawks defense playing with an offense that couldn't throw the ball saved the season. He's arguably just as a good a blocker as Barkley is as well.
The 49ers aren't in the business of signing of shitty guys. I have nothing against Booker but I would have preferred keeping Gallman.
This has been stated numerous times, it isn't about Gallman as a runner. Gallman fell out of favor with 3 coaching staffs in the NFL. The Niners signed him to basically a vet min deal. Then they drafted 2 more RBs in the draft. Gallman runs well and that is about it. He can catch a little too. But when you are the type of player he is you have to play specials and play it well. He is also not a pass protector. There is a clear reason the Giants went after Booker and had no interest in bringing Gallman back. It didn't have to be in or the other. They could have easily had both. Some fans just choose to see only what they want to see.
Excellent take Eric!
He had a couple of good games, produced in a back up role early on, and then that was it. The last quarter of the season he was the feature back and he basically disappeared (as in got swallowed) in that role
Those two really showed the need for a strong North-South running back presence on the team - Clement has a much more solid body type than Gallman - and while he's smaller than Freeman - he is of a similar ilk.
Never even heard of him.
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got nothing because he apparently isn't a very good football player.
Let's remember, when Barkley went down the Giants had to totally scrap their run game because Gallman couldn't run zone plays. (They shifted to a power scheme.) He also apparently can't pass block, be effective in the receiving game or play special teams.
And I went back and watched that week 17 game vs. DAL. Not only does he almost give the game away with that horrific fumble at the end, he also fumbled a hand-off in the 1st half. 2 fumbles in a critical, Playoff-style game for the Giants without being touched.
Gallman was damn good player. Shiity players generally don't start on National Championship teams
Yeah the fumble against Dallas was awful. But he did average 6.5 yards a carry against them too and got a couple of huge first downs.
Putting up 135 yards on the road against a very good Seahawks defense playing with an offense that couldn't throw the ball saved the season. He's arguably just as a good a blocker as Barkley is as well.
The 49ers aren't in the business of signing of shitty guys. I have nothing against Booker but I would have preferred keeping Gallman.
This has been stated numerous times, it isn't about Gallman as a runner. Gallman fell out of favor with 3 coaching staffs in the NFL. The Niners signed him to basically a vet min deal. Then they drafted 2 more RBs in the draft. Gallman runs well and that is about it. He can catch a little too. But when you are the type of player he is you have to play specials and play it well. He is also not a pass protector. There is a clear reason the Giants went after Booker and had no interest in bringing Gallman back. It didn't have to be in or the other. They could have easily had both. Some fans just choose to see only what they want to see.
Gallman averaged 4.6 yards a carry in 2020 with a compromised QB down the stretch, a mediocre offensive line and one of the worst receiving units in the NFL. I thought that people saying he was not a good football player was little too disparaging. No one is waxing poetically about Wayne Gallman, I get it. So Shurmur had no idea how to use him.
Like you said - see what you want to see. I see a guy who would have been a useful 3d or 4th back. Maybe he wanted too much cash - I know. I happen to think he's a better player than Booker. I think maybe a few people agree. The Giants didn't. Doesn't mean he's not a good player though.
Both can play specials, let them battle it out.
Although, the Giants tend to keep their draft picks for a
little while at least.
Those two really showed the need for a strong North-South running back presence on the team - Clement has a much more solid body type than Gallman - and while he's smaller than Freeman - he is of a similar ilk.
+1.
As is Booker from the limited amount of video I've watched of him. The knock on Clement coming out of school was inconsistent effort.
He had a couple of good games, produced in a back up role early on, and then that was it. The last quarter of the season he was the feature back and he basically disappeared (as in got swallowed) in that role
This Gallman thing is driving me nuts. I was one of the few people here who didn't understand why he didn't find his way up the depth chart. Now I now why and because our line was run blocking well all of a sudden Gallman and Morris are good players.
This is hard to fathom to people because our line has been so bad, but they run blocked well last year, and if Saquon was back there healthy probably would have led the league in rushing. Everyone points to our OL like they suck because they don't pass block well, well with actual backs back there we can ameleriote their poor bass blocking by keeping defenses honest. Defenses last year didn't give a shit because they weren't scared of Gallman or Morris at all. Freeman jacked up some attention, but he got hurt early.
Uh huh....
Uh huh....
nobody is saying it's great but they did well run blocking last season. I liked Wayne but he couldn't bounce away from a linebacker
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The OL is just fine?
Uh huh....
nobody is saying it's great but they did well run blocking last season. I liked Wayne but he couldn't bounce away from a linebacker
They had some good games run blocking. And they had some not so good games, including late in the season.
Gallman is not Barkley breaking off 60 yard runs, but he held his own last season. Probably was Co MVP of the offense with Gates, but I guess it’s time to blame him since he has moved on...
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The OL is just fine?
Uh huh....
nobody is saying it's great but they did well run blocking last season. I liked Wayne but he couldn't bounce away from a linebacker
They had some good games run blocking. And they had some not so good games, including late in the season.
Gallman is not Barkley breaking off 60 yard runs, but he held his own last season. Probably was Co MVP of the offense with Gates, but I guess it’s time to blame him since he has moved on...
I agree, loved riding along the Wayne Train. He did an admirable job for his limited skill set.
Uh huh....
Yes the line ran blocked well and Gallman couldn’t win a 1 v 1 matchup to save his life. There was a ton of yardage left on the field. Freeman was our best runner, but he didn’t last long. He also left a ton of yardage on field top with his unwillingness to take anything to the outside.
And I think SF is going to be disappointed. They run that outside zone scheme with Shanahan. The Giants had to completely change their run scheme when Barkley went down because none of their RBs (including Gallman) could run zone.
And I think SF is going to be disappointed. They run that outside zone scheme with Shanahan. The Giants had to completely change their run scheme when Barkley went down because none of their RBs (including Gallman) could run zone.
Do you think Shanahan, who has had a ton of success with a laundry list of RBs, brought in a guy who can't run zone and doesn't have the skill to do it?
Yes he is not a stud RB. Nobody is claiming he is. His pass pro and receiving are sub-par. But he is not the hot garbage many of you think he is just because he is no longer here.
Gallman is an effort runner, stuck in quicksand, who coaches seemed to not trust for some reason.
Booker and Clement seem like more well rounded players but that remains to be seen. I assume the coaches will trust them more than Gallman since they were chosen by these coaches and Gallman was not.
I actually expected them to bring back Morris and maybe they will at some point bc he ran well for a minimum old guy last year. He still has really good instincts and vision.
If there's 1 player who I think they may have been well served spending a bit more $ on in FA to upgrade the position it would have been Jamaal Williams. Didn't get much more money than Booker and he's a really strong receiving option who has gotten better running the ball each year as well.
It's time to move on.
The RB room is looking much better this morning.
It's time to move on.
Bingo.
It's time to move on.
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has spoken. He's a vet-min type RB.
And I think SF is going to be disappointed. They run that outside zone scheme with Shanahan. The Giants had to completely change their run scheme when Barkley went down because none of their RBs (including Gallman) could run zone.
Do you think Shanahan, who has had a ton of success with a laundry list of RBs, brought in a guy who can't run zone and doesn't have the skill to do it?
Yes he is not a stud RB. Nobody is claiming he is. His pass pro and receiving are sub-par. But he is not the hot garbage many of you think he is just because he is no longer here.
He also could have brought WG in to see what he has or doesn’t have. Same with us re Clement, Benjamin perhaps..What kind of guaranteed money did WG receive? That might tell us something. The kid’s young, what does Shanahan have to lose?
This is exactly right. Gallman isn't a bad football player. He's an average one who can be solid but leaves a lot of yards on the field.
And he's had numerous coaching staffs sour on his ability to pick up the playbook
He's a decent backup RB.