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NFT: KNICKS VS CELTICS - Time to clinch HC / 4th seed

larryflower37 : 5/16/2021 11:30 am
4th seed is ours with a win!

Boston is resting everyone
Tatum, Fournier, Smart, Thompson, Kemba, and Williams.

Thibs will have them ready and understand what they are playing for.

No injuries and lets celebrate a great season on our home court today!!!

Hey NY WE HERE!

#LFGK

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Season ticket holders get to buy tomorrow  
GMEN46 : 5/17/2021 8:09 pm : link
My window is at noon, I am allowed to buy up to 4 tickets per game, 1 for every seat that I have. Curious to see what face value will be. They are going to try to have 13k in the arena with 50 percent being vaccinated in their own sections without masks
RE: When are they going to announce the schedule?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/17/2021 8:10 pm : link
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Gotta be within 48 hours no? I don't get the hold up with the play in games.
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Leg of Theismann : 5/17/2021 8:12 pm : link
In comment 15266019 larryflower37 said:
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Lonzo told media earlier that he would love to be back with Pels.

He's still the man I think we ought to target this summer. He's a RFA so Pels can match whatever offer he gets.


I have soured on Lonzo a little bit.
IMO save the cap space for the 2022 FA class were there is better talent available.
I don't want to have to give him 3 yrs 60 million.


I've also soured on Lonzo. I'm not sure how to put succinctly into words why that is, but the best way I could put it is this: I for some reason just don't see a team paying Lonzo Ball $20M a year to start at PG as a championship-caliber team. With every move we should be thinking championship, not necessarily in 2022, but at some point, and if that means saving our cash for 2023 then so be it, but let's look at the value-for-dollar with Lonzo... Put Lonzo on this team and what does it change? I think it would mean we have slightly better odds of winning a 2nd round series, but we'd still be sizable underdogs in that 2nd round series. Is that really worth $20M a year?

I'll admit-- Ball just hasn't jumped off the screen as being all that good to me.

Also- the Pelicans being as bad as they are considering how good "on paper" they are this year also kind of disturbs me. I mean: Ball, Zion, Ingram, Bledsoe, Adams... how does that group get you such sub-mediocre results? With those guys at his disposal I guess I'd just expect better results from a PG whose about to command "young star" type of money.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/17/2021 8:15 pm : link
In comment 15266019 larryflower37 said:
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Lonzo told media earlier that he would love to be back with Pels.

He's still the man I think we ought to target this summer. He's a RFA so Pels can match whatever offer he gets.


I have soured on Lonzo a little bit.
IMO save the cap space for the 2022 FA class were there is better talent available.
I don't want to have to give him 3 yrs 60 million.


larry, I think Lonzo would be perfect fit here. Assuming it's not astronomical, I'd like to snag him. But if not, se la vie.

Summer '22 has potential to be a UFB FA.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/17/2021 8:17 pm : link
Beal or LaVine summer 2022...sign me up. Keep RJ, Randle, & add one of them...that's a Finals contender.
Luke Walton back with kings  
nygiants16 : 5/17/2021 8:21 pm : link
supposedly Dwyane casey told Rose that he would have the same chance at making the playoffs with the pistons as he did going to the Knicks right before they traded rose to Knicks..
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/17/2021 8:21 pm : link
Lots of good outcomes from this season, but the best could well be the Knicks are no longer viewed as a pariah/laughingstock around the league. If that's the case, people are going to want to come here. It's New York. It's the Garden. It's basketball Mecca. I know some of us snicker at 'culture', but there's something to be said for it. I have complete confidence in Thibs-outside of Elfrid, Haha-and this FO.
RE: Luke Walton back with kings  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/17/2021 8:25 pm : link
In comment 15266042 nygiants16 said:
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supposedly Dwyane casey told Rose that he would have the same chance at making the playoffs with the pistons as he did going to the Knicks right before they traded rose to Knicks..


The last time the Kings made the postseason...I was living in SF, wasn't married, & Bill Frist was the Senate Majority Leader. Uh, it's been awhile.

That's a good fan base too. ARCO was a great place to watch a game. They looked like they were coming on two years ago, but have obviously regressed.
I’m not as enthused about Lonzo either.  
bceagle05 : 5/17/2021 8:55 pm : link
Nor do I want to give Mitch a multi-year deal. Keep the deals short-term even if it means running it back next year with largely the same group, and wait to pay a legit star to join Randle, RJ and your supporting cast.
will be reaply interesting to see what front office does  
nygiants16 : 5/17/2021 9:04 pm : link
There is going to be a lot of pressure on this team noe that they finished 4th to have just as good or better of a season..

Then kf they win a round and give Philly a tough series the pressure is going to be even more..

How this franchise takes the next step will be interesting..

Is it adding an estbalished youth like Ball? Going vets like Lowry or derozan? does a superstsr become available?

Keep this team together  
larryflower37 : 5/17/2021 10:54 pm : link
With the lowest payroll in the league for one more year, add a couple of rookies and have plenty of room at next year's deadline.
Beal and Lavine probably won't sign extension.
They might be available at the deadline.
If not they will be FA's
Any deal you do this off season need to be a 1 year deal
This is a very weak FA class and can't over pay just to improve minimally.
I think you bring everyone back on mid level deals.
Burks, Rose, Bullock,and Noel.
Taj on the cheap.
RJ, Quickley,and Toppin will be one year better.
The list is too long of the talent available.
Need to sell Dolan and the fans on 1 more year of patience.


2022 Free Agents. - ( New Window )
I never see Spencer Dinwiddie name mentioned when discussing options  
Giantfan21 : 5/17/2021 11:12 pm : link
for next season. Other then Chris Paul, I think he is the best option out there and is going to likely be an UFA
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Ten Ton Hammer : 5/18/2021 7:26 am : link
In comment 15266034 Leg of Theismann said:
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Also- the Pelicans being as bad as they are considering how good "on paper" they are this year also kind of disturbs me. I mean: Ball, Zion, Ingram, Bledsoe, Adams... how does that group get you such sub-mediocre results? With those guys at his disposal I guess I'd just expect better results from a PG whose about to command "young star" type of money.


As a team, their defense was bottom of the league terrible. I'd rest that on the coaching. No idea what they're doing.

Also, Ingram is a bit overrated. Talented, but kind of a knucklehead player. Might just be a matter of being young.
RE: will be reaply interesting to see what front office does  
TyreeHelmet : 5/18/2021 10:06 am : link
In comment 15266077 nygiants16 said:
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There is going to be a lot of pressure on this team noe that they finished 4th to have just as good or better of a season..

Then kf they win a round and give Philly a tough series the pressure is going to be even more..

How this franchise takes the next step will be interesting..

Is it adding an estbalished youth like Ball? Going vets like Lowry or derozan? does a superstsr become available?


Maybe the Kings blow it up and move Fox? Unlikely but you never know in the NBA. But I do think a star will become available. And honestly if one does become available, the Knicks are in great position. OKC and New Orleans have more picks, but is any star clamoring to get there? Highly doubtful.

And if a true superstar does become available, you have to go all in. If the package is mostly picks, in my opinion it’s a no brainer. We’ll see how these deals work put down the line, but do you think Brooklyn or the Lakers will ever regret making those deals for Harden/ Davis? If an all nba level player is available- you do whatever it takes to land them.
So rooting for Pacers and Celtics to lose tonight?  
nygiants16 : 5/18/2021 10:47 am : link
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Windhorsr says  
nygiants16 : 5/18/2021 11:02 am : link
Scott Perry will be back with Knicks
RE: Windhorsr says  
Heisenberg : 5/18/2021 11:34 am : link
In comment 15266358 nygiants16 said:
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Scott Perry will be back with Knicks


I think this is good.
RE: So rooting for Pacers and Celtics to lose tonight?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/18/2021 11:35 am : link
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Yes, & think both happen. I think there's a good chance Cs lose both games.
according to Windhorst  
Enzo : 5/18/2021 11:47 am : link
Scott Perry is likely to stick around in the front office.
Ok what with my son bringing up the porzi trade to gloat this am  
Stu11 : 5/18/2021 11:52 am : link
and the Athletic emailing me today's installment of "The Knicks really sucked the last 20 years, let's re-live it!" Podcast I have to admit I bit and read the story. It was about when Fiz visited Porzi in Latvia the summer before he was traded to try and set up a good relationship. Interesting stuff. Fizdale is a really good guy. Awful coach. No coherent rotation or game plan but a really nice enthusiastic guy. I mean how in God's name do you sit on the bench next to Pop AND Spoelstra 2 of the best in the game and learn so little? Only the Knicks find these geniuses 😂🤣
game 1 sunday  
nygiants16 : 5/18/2021 11:52 am : link
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RE: So rooting for Pacers and Celtics to lose tonight?  
Leg of Theismann : 5/18/2021 12:05 pm : link
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Are we afraid of the Pacers and Celtics? Or just prefer the Wizards and Hornets?

In my mind-- I think Wizards have the best chance to beat the Sixers, though I could be wrong about that, and I'd think we want whichever team could *possibly* knock off the Sixers since we're slated to face the winner of that series in a potential round 2.
Fiz reminds me a LOT of former UVA football coach Mike London  
Greg from LI : 5/18/2021 12:06 pm : link
Mike London is a tremendous human being. Friendly, generous, very active in all kinds of charitable organizations. No one has a bad thing to say about him as a man.

He was just a truly atrocious head football coach.
which I guess would mean I'm rooting for  
Leg of Theismann : 5/18/2021 12:07 pm : link
Wizards to lose and then win. Although honestly I'm not really rooting for anything inherently. Will prob be hard for me to root for the Celtics at all in anything.
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djm : 5/18/2021 12:09 pm : link
In comment 15265973 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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nygiants16, I'm in the same boat. I got family in NJ so lodging isn't an issue...if the prices are reasonable-REASONABLE-I'm going to go to a game.

As for people not being comfortable, that's a definite possibility. Me on the other hand...I'm ready for a repeat of the Roaring Twenties, Haha.


That's WHORING 20s. At least that's the word on the street....I am old and married so for me it's just going to be the boring 20s. And that's ok with me.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/18/2021 12:13 pm : link
I think Cs are cooked. I would be surprised if Wiz don't win fairly comfortable tonight.
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djm : 5/18/2021 12:14 pm : link
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cmon dude (ny16)..Randle has been dogshit? This team has no shot in the playoffs? Most games are close. The Knicks are 9th in the entire NBA in points differential. IN other words, relax. This is as good as it gets. NExt season when the expectations go full stupid maybe then it would be time to get crazy.

Randle hasn't exactly been Robert Horry at the buzzer but he's been incredible in the 4th quarter all year long. How many huge baskets does this guy hit every night?

It was an older comment sorry if I am late to this but dude...enjoy this.



Seems like teams have started doubling Randle very aggressively in the last few weeks, especially in Q4/crunch time. Doubling him late, as in second defender waits until he starts to make his move before rushing over to double.I think that’s contributed to a perceived drop off in his shot selection and shot making at the end of games

He has done a pretty good job of finding open guys to pass to when that happens...recent wins have been marked by big late baskets by RJ, Burks, Bullock off assists by Randle

I have faith Thibs will have Randle and the rest of the team well prepared for this to continue

Big picture, highlights the need for one more elite scorer for this squad to truly be a title contender...but that’s more of an offseason discussion



I think this offseason we are going to see Randle and the Knicks work hardest on what to do when he is aggressively doubled on a regular basis. For obvious reasons he's simply never had to deal with any game plan like that against him for his entire career (and few players do until/unless they actually become all-star caliber players).

Guys like Lebron and Steph are MVP caliber players not just because of their scoring ability, but equally as much because of their passing and how they make their teammates better, but the latter skill also COMES in part from being so accustomed to getting double and tripled -teamed; they know how to respond to it-- it has become basically 2nd nature to them, and precisely WHY they're the best is because they know how to take full advantage of the defense and how to immediately get their guys wide open looks in those situations.

To me, Lebron became a phenomenal passer in this league because he HAD TO. He's one of the most naturally-gifted scorers, and when you have that gift what inevitably happens is teams throw multiple guys at you and you NEED to be able to pass the ball well (and think quickly about where the pass is going).

I personally do see Randle having the potential to be an MVP-like facilitator in that regard, as we often have seen flashes of it this year, but he has a ways to go in that department before becoming a LEGIT MVP player and not just "in the discussion." At this point he (and the team) does not always react well to the pressure of a double-team thrown at Randle. To me, the moment the double team comes, you either make your move and take your shot, or make your move and pass the damn ball. You can't indecisively dribble in place and pick up the ball and stay stationary while 2-3 guys start aggressively trying pry the ball out of your hands. I know it's easier said than done, but I'm holding Randle to high standard to get it figured out this offseason-- he clearly has both the natural talent AND the work ethic to develop that aspect of his game more.


Agree about Randle. As good as he's been this year, the perfect description is poor man's Lebron. I mean this in the most complimentary way possible, but don't want to hide the fact that Randle isn't the defender or facilitator that Lebron is. Not a knock, I mean the guy has been incredible but he's not the elite defender or passer. He's merely solid there. Which in and of itself is incredible, but also shows how good Lebron is. Maybe Randle can improve both? If he did, wow.
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DanMetroMan : 5/18/2021 12:24 pm : link
Phoenix Suns coach Monty Williams has been voted as the National Basketball Coaches Association's Coach of the Year, sources told ESPN on Tuesday.
RE: RE: So rooting for Pacers and Celtics to lose tonight?  
nygiants16 : 5/18/2021 12:24 pm : link
In comment 15266417 Leg of Theismann said:
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Are we afraid of the Pacers and Celtics? Or just prefer the Wizards and Hornets?

In my mind-- I think Wizards have the best chance to beat the Sixers, though I could be wrong about that, and I'd think we want whichever team could *possibly* knock off the Sixers since we're slated to face the winner of that series in a potential round 2.


Because i want both teams to think about blowing up their team..

I would love to get brogdon if possible..
Monty williams voted coach of the year  
nygiants16 : 5/18/2021 12:28 pm : link
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/18/2021 12:29 pm : link
Sucks, but I didn't think Thibs would win it.
Selfishly I want Washington out  
larryflower37 : 5/18/2021 12:32 pm : link
Quickly so Beal has plenty of time to think about his future and watch the Knicks in the playoffs.

IMO no one in the play-in has any shot at going more than 5 games against Brooklyn and the Sixers.

I would enjoy the Celtics getting the 7th or 8th spot just so I can watch them get blown out 4 more times.
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nygiants16 : 5/18/2021 12:33 pm : link
In comment 15266444 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Sucks, but I didn't think Thibs would win it.


neither did i, coaches love Monty and he has been through a lot, he is well deserving but i thought thibs should of won
RE: Selfishly I want Washington out  
nygiants16 : 5/18/2021 12:34 pm : link
In comment 15266447 larryflower37 said:
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Quickly so Beal has plenty of time to think about his future and watch the Knicks in the playoffs.

IMO no one in the play-in has any shot at going more than 5 games against Brooklyn and the Sixers.

I would enjoy the Celtics getting the 7th or 8th spot just so I can watch them get blown out 4 more times.


i think the Beal ship has sailed, the run they went on when everyone got healthy, he is not leaving
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/18/2021 12:41 pm : link
Wiz-Nets would be fun. Nets would win, but it'd be an entertaining series.
Hard  
DanMetroMan : 5/18/2021 1:25 pm : link
pass on Schroeder. Wants "top tier PG money" and to start in a major market. He's completely mediocre.
Someone briught up dinwiddie  
nygiants16 : 5/18/2021 1:33 pm : link
hed be a good fit, wish he was a little younger and not coming off a torn acl and wasnt a troll, but hed be a good fit
RE: Someone briught up dinwiddie  
DanMetroMan : 5/18/2021 1:40 pm : link
In comment 15266508 nygiants16 said:
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hed be a good fit, wish he was a little younger and not coming off a torn acl and wasnt a troll, but hed be a good fit


He's torn his left ACL twice, I'd be very reluctant.
Dinwiddie turned himself into a decent  
Enzo : 5/18/2021 1:44 pm : link
player but he might just be one of several guards in the league that can put up numbers if they have the ball enough.
for the Nets it might make sense  
Enzo : 5/18/2021 1:49 pm : link
to re-sign him if they can get him on a reasonable deal. They're capped out, so if he walks you lose the asset for nothing. You can always trade him in the future. And obviously he's very good depth for when Kyrie doesn't feel like playing.
He's  
DanMetroMan : 5/18/2021 1:49 pm : link
a very solid player but not a good shooter, 29 year one of his next contract and a left knee with 2 torn ACL's. One more is likely a career-ender at this point. I'd pass.
Pacers may be tanking their game tonight  
nygiants16 : 5/18/2021 1:52 pm : link
half their team is questionable or out including Brogdon and Sabonis
RE: Pacers may be tanking their game tonight  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/18/2021 1:58 pm : link
In comment 15266527 nygiants16 said:
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half their team is questionable or out including Brogdon and Sabonis


Least appealing of play in games anyways.
RE: Pacers may be tanking their game tonight  
Stu11 : 5/18/2021 2:21 pm : link
In comment 15266527 nygiants16 said:
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half their team is questionable or out including Brogdon and Sabonis

Pacers are definitely a team to keep an eye on this off season. There's definately change that are gonna be made there starting with the coach. If Brogdon shakes loose in a trade we should pounce.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/18/2021 2:23 pm : link
Didn't Indy almost have a mutiny recently over their head coach?
So  
Mike from SI : 5/18/2021 2:53 pm : link
thoughts on giving Frank burn to guard Trae? I'm in favor.
RE: So  
nygiants16 : 5/18/2021 3:01 pm : link
In comment 15266573 Mike from SI said:
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thoughts on giving Frank burn to guard Trae? I'm in favor.


The best defense your going to play against trae is to attack him, make him play defense and maybr you get him into foul trouble..

Guarding him with 1 guy isnt going to work and leaving Payton or Frank on the floor is going to allow him to rest on that side..
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Enzo : 5/18/2021 3:05 pm : link
In comment 15266585 nygiants16 said:
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thoughts on giving Frank burn to guard Trae? I'm in favor.



The best defense your going to play against trae is to attack him, make him play defense and maybr you get him into foul trouble..

Guarding him with 1 guy isnt going to work and leaving Payton or Frank on the floor is going to allow him to rest on that side..

eh, sounds good in theory but having old man Rose guard Young for much of the game seems like a great way to get OUR best lead guard gassed and in fould trouble.
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nygiants16 : 5/18/2021 3:11 pm : link
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thoughts on giving Frank burn to guard Trae? I'm in favor.



The best defense your going to play against trae is to attack him, make him play defense and maybr you get him into foul trouble..

Guarding him with 1 guy isnt going to work and leaving Payton or Frank on the floor is going to allow him to rest on that side..


eh, sounds good in theory but having old man Rose guard Young for much of the game seems like a great way to get OUR best lead guard gassed and in fould trouble.


I would put Bullock on Trae..

Rose on Bogdanavich..
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/18/2021 3:14 pm : link
No to Rose on Trae.

I'm with nygiants...I'd probably put Bullock on Trae. If only Frank had an offensive game...
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