I've been thinking about how this Offense is going to look, and believe that what they tried to do last year, the additions the Giants have made, the subtractions they have made, and who they have kept are very telling.
First off Joe Judge continues to insist that the Giants want to play "Multiples." If you look at the way they are putting together and evolving the RBs, last year after Saquon went down they added two sturdy North South runners who could also catch in Freeman and Morris and Galman was seemingly demoted to the third back behind them, until neither Freeman or Galman could take the field. Freeman and Morris were both good at plowing into the line and grinding out yards, but neither of them can sustain that for a full season any more. Picking up Booker, and now Clement will sustain that North South running style, and even Brightwell is more of that kind of runner. Galman is just not a North South runner and when placed in that role he succeeded for a while - but could not sustain success at it.
So I see starting a game trying to establish the North South run and then varying it with sweeps, and screens and play action which with success off the run and screen plays will be respected.
Then you look at the WRs -- we essentially had 2 slot receivers trying to be either the x and y last year and Slayton trying to be the 1 - we all know how that ended up -- each of Slayton, Shep and Tate had a couple of good games last year but we didn't have a true 1 or a reasonable x y in combination. This year we have a 1 who can convincingly play the x and Y and both Slayton and Shep can play the 2, and Toney and Shep can play the slot. Huge difference from last year, especially as Toney can play off Saquon out of the backfield and into the screen and third or fourth option as the jitterbug -
Then you have Engram who can focus on the seams and Rudolph who can focus crossing or out patterns on end zone or third downs.
The Offensive line will be expected to play a zone blocking scheme, and also be able switch and match up with the opposition. Many of you doubt that this Oline can be successful. But the Giants have reshaped the Oline staff in the off season the way Judge tried to make it in the prior season - only to have his plans shattered by coach Columbo, who we had all embraced, and shockingly he did not buy into Joe Judge's plan.
This year Judge rebuilt that staff - and more than likely got commitments out of the new hires that they would do it his way. The Offensive line has been heavily invested in the last draft with a 1, 3 and 5 each of whom has shown a little something be it not consistently -- each of whom will have had a full year in an NFL style nutrition and workout program under their belt in addition to playing for a good part of a first year and learning what to expect -- this oline probably played 6 of the top Defensive lines in the NFL last year, and while they were up and down the Giants were able to hang in with the opposition in six games where they were only basically a few plays away from winning, good enough to win 6 games in addition.
I think there are enough variables added and improvements that this is going to be a great combination of power running, speed, deception, playaction and players that can beat individual matchups, stretch the field, and also sit on the first down marker, come up with the ball and grind it out through the goal line.
With the improvements on defense and special teams in the off season this offense only needs to start sniffing at being near the top third in the NFL, gain confidence and maybe even cross into the top third.
Many of you astute posters will probably ascertain that I did not discuss Daniel Jones above. I'm going to tell you something. Daniel Jones will be fine. He has the work ethic, the tools, and the maturity, he will step up with confidence and make the scheme work decisively.
Have at it -- what do you think the Giants Offensive Scheme will look like?
Yes -- but he doesn't do it consistently or well - so that's not his game
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Yes he is. That is what he does.
Yes -- but he doesn't do it consistently or well - so that's not his game
That's the only thing he does consistently well.
Um...
2: maybe have Barkley line up in the slot on passing downs? Leaving him in the backfield to pick up blitzers seems to be a mistake since there's some articles saying he's a liability on that front.
As far as a "base" offense, I think the bread and butter is all going to work off the run game with mostly zone blocking, play action, and moving the QB. Think a combo of what Garrett did in Dallas and what McVay runs with the Rams.
It won’t be exactly the same as our first round pick this year and if SB returns to form ( a big if) Coughlin and Kilbride never quite had those weapons but basically, we’ll see a variant of that offense which Kurt Warner thrived in with the Cardinals. DJ better buckle up his chin strap. QB takes a beating and SB is much like the Cards great HOF rb, who made that offense go which hopefully SB can.
-- significantly increase our passing attempts
-- pass to set-up the run
-- use a higher rate of bubble screens, esp. w/Toney
-- get more creative with Barkley in the passing game
> motion him more to move the defense
> line him up at the Z and X
> if the OL is competent, more screens
-- pressure the D by forcing the ball downfield to KG
-- use Jones on designed runs
-- get Jones out of the pocket on designed throws
-- go for it more on 4th down
It can’t be stated enough the trio of Golladay, Slayton and Toney can dramatically alter how this team calls plays.
-- significantly increase our passing attempts
-- pass to set-up the run
-- use a higher rate of bubble screens, esp. w/Toney
-- get more creative with Barkley in the passing game
> motion him more to move the defense
> line him up at the Z and X
> if the OL is competent, more screens
-- pressure the D by forcing the ball downfield to KG
-- use Jones on designed runs
-- get Jones out of the pocket on designed throws
-- go for it more on 4th down
Like all of this.
I'm starting to wonder how much of Barkley we're going to see in 2021, though.
They've signed two veteran running backs, drafted another, and their first round pick figures to be a Swiss Army Knife that gets just the types of touches you'd like to see Barkley get.
-- significantly increase our passing attempts
-- pass to set-up the run
-- use a higher rate of bubble screens, esp. w/Toney
-- get more creative with Barkley in the passing game
> motion him more to move the defense
> line him up at the Z and X
> if the OL is competent, more screens
-- pressure the D by forcing the ball downfield to KG
-- use Jones on designed runs
-- get Jones out of the pocket on designed throws
-- go for it more on 4th down
Agree with all of this
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in today's NFL, I hope we...
-- significantly increase our passing attempts
-- pass to set-up the run
-- use a higher rate of bubble screens, esp. w/Toney
-- get more creative with Barkley in the passing game
> motion him more to move the defense
> line him up at the Z and X
> if the OL is competent, more screens
-- pressure the D by forcing the ball downfield to KG
-- use Jones on designed runs
-- get Jones out of the pocket on designed throws
-- go for it more on 4th down
Like all of this.
I'm starting to wonder how much of Barkley we're going to see in 2021, though.
They've signed two veteran running backs, drafted another, and their first round pick figures to be a Swiss Army Knife that gets just the types of touches you'd like to see Barkley get.
I’ve said this in other threads, but I truly feel Barkley will be on a pitch count the first 5-6 games this year, maybe more. We’ll see a lot of Booker and Clement early on.
What and when you run will be dependent upon the film for each opponent.
Im hopeful that the Giants are able to gontrol the game and make their opponents one dimensional.
They need to establish the run and base they’re offense off of the run, opening up the passing game. Jones is a distributor - not a Patrick Mahomes - I think we can all agree on that.
Establish the run early, open up play action, screens and deep balls.
Every game we won last year came when we were able to establish the run early. That will be the key to our success.
I expect to see a classic Air Coryell offense. Big vertical passing game, lots of play action, fewer dump offs.
Barkley doesn't do that?
NewsFlash: You can't have a north-south running game when your Center/Guards get blown up.
Notice how well Sequon ran up the gut when he had actual holes up the middle, like he had at Penn State!
I think that short passes will make up much of the "running game" (the NFL is going that way with all the rules changes). You'll still see some runs, but teams are using the pass to set up the run...it's just more effective in 2021. The offense still will take shots (Ross, Slayton and Golladay, possibly EE on seams) down the field, but I expect a lot of short passes to counteract pass rushes.
He is a bright guy...they brought in guys that have developed modern systems...so hopefully, it will.
The right guard spot...as I feel the center and both tackle spots have improved and can live with the LG which should play better....the RG is only spot that currently has worsen.
If the above issues get resolved....then it all falls on Daniel Jones
Just you watch..:)
1) Do not turn the ball over. The turnover differential may be the most important statistic for this team in 2021. The 1983 Redskins had the highest positive differential of all time at +43. This is a record that this team is capable of breaking. Do it.
2) Maximize time of possession: long sustainable drives will be the key to success this year. Do not engage in high risk / low probability schemes or force big plays.
3) Win field position game: Put the defense and special teams in the best possible position to score points.
This is how they beat Seattle with Colt McCoy last year. DJ does not have to be great - he just can't be bad. If the Giants do these three things well on offense, they are a playoff team in 2021.
It is less about scheme and more about talent and execution imv. The question is will the OL and Jones allow the offense to flourish.
So it will really depend on who we are facing on the defensive side and what they are trying to do. Pick your poison though when it comes to facing us. We have players that all bring something different to the table now unlike last year. The key will be health and continued development by the young oline.
I have confidence in DJ. The only way I see this offense not scoring points is if our oline turns out to be the weak link.
So i don't have a guess on specific scheme. Maybe each week during the season we pose this question with the upcoming defense in mind? Just a thought.
Gallman was a good north-south runner when he was engaged but he was very inconsistent snap to snap assignment-wise and it's why he wasn't retained.
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Doesn’t do that.
Barkley doesn't do that?
NewsFlash: You can't have a north-south running game when your Center/Guards get blown up.
Notice how well Sequon ran up the gut when he had actual holes up the middle, like he had at Penn State!
Thank you for posting the videos. Some of the takes here are absurd.
That is not how the game is played anymore.
I hope Danny boy comes out winging it to his many weapons and hopefully out in the open field as opposed to behind the LOS.
Establish a big lead in the first half.
Sit on the lead and run the ball the second half and let our revamped D wreak havoc
Although think many here are going to be impatient early on when they don't see it. Mostly because Garrett/Judge will clamp down on longer-taking downfield field plays until they start seeing the Tackles holding up and Jones taking care of the ball.
They need to establish the run and base they’re offense off of the run, opening up the passing game. Jones is a distributor - not a Patrick Mahomes - I think we can all agree on that.
Establish the run early, open up play action, screens and deep balls.
Every game we won last year came when we were able to establish the run early. That will be the key to our success.
Yeah, not so much.
Would rather the Giants focus on running efficiently and throughout the whole game versus establishing something at the beginning for the sake of it. That's not winning offensive football in 2021.
And while 40 dropbacks may be a bit excessive, having Jones somewhere in the middle 30's on pass attempts per game is fine if he taking care of the ball. I think he averaged in the low 30s last year and the Giants clearly have more options this season.
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in today's NFL, I hope we...
-- significantly increase our passing attempts
-- pass to set-up the run
-- use a higher rate of bubble screens, esp. w/Toney
-- get more creative with Barkley in the passing game
> motion him more to move the defense
> line him up at the Z and X
> if the OL is competent, more screens
-- pressure the D by forcing the ball downfield to KG
-- use Jones on designed runs
-- get Jones out of the pocket on designed throws
-- go for it more on 4th down
Like all of this.
I'm starting to wonder how much of Barkley we're going to see in 2021, though.
They've signed two veteran running backs, drafted another, and their first round pick figures to be a Swiss Army Knife that gets just the types of touches you'd like to see Barkley get.
I agree on Barkley. I don't see how he can be anywhere near his old self less than a year removed from an ACL tear. Maybe I'm wrong but I just don't see it.
Gallman was a good north-south runner when he was engaged but he was very inconsistent snap to snap assignment-wise and it's why he wasn't retained.
I think a lot of fans also go full dodo when a coach says 'multiple' and 'versatile.' It's typically just a 1) a guy can do all the stuff his positions requires 2) He's got some skills that translate to different looks and he can stay on the field if he asked to pitch in.
Gallman wasn't that guy.
As you know, maybe a few new looks are installed each week, but your playbook is set before the pads go on.
Garret doesn't have a super exotic offense. He's a lot closer to the Norv Turner & Zampaese mold -- a lot of simple stuff, deep and sideline stuff.
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in today's NFL, I hope we...
I agree on Barkley. I don't see how he can be anywhere near his old self less than a year removed from an ACL tear. Maybe I'm wrong but I just don't see it.
The ACL surgery rehab has come a long damn way. The same surgeon worked on Kupp and he came back faster than he was pre injury. Obviously Barkley’s running style is a tough one to Judge, but I’m pretty confident we see the guy he was pre ACL once he gets some games under his belt and gets confident in the knee. Barkley is a maniac and probably using this opportunity to fix some mobility issues that caused it in first place.
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he wants it to look, meaning more vertical passing and crossing routes. But, I don't expect to see a new scheme from him week to week.
Gallman was a good north-south runner when he was engaged but he was very inconsistent snap to snap assignment-wise and it's why he wasn't retained.
I think a lot of fans also go full dodo when a coach says 'multiple' and 'versatile.' It's typically just a 1) a guy can do all the stuff his positions requires 2) He's got some skills that translate to different looks and he can stay on the field if he asked to pitch in.
Gallman wasn't that guy.
As you know, maybe a few new looks are installed each week, but your playbook is set before the pads go on.
Garret doesn't have a super exotic offense. He's a lot closer to the Norv Turner & Zampaese mold -- a lot of simple stuff, deep and sideline stuff.
This last paragraph doesn't fill me with confidence. What year is this?
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Will not be successful if Jones is dropping back 40 times a game.
They need to establish the run and base they’re offense off of the run, opening up the passing game. Jones is a distributor - not a Patrick Mahomes - I think we can all agree on that.
Establish the run early, open up play action, screens and deep balls.
Every game we won last year came when we were able to establish the run early. That will be the key to our success.
Yeah, not so much.
Would rather the Giants focus on running efficiently and throughout the whole game versus establishing something at the beginning for the sake of it. That's not winning offensive football in 2021.
And while 40 dropbacks may be a bit excessive, having Jones somewhere in the middle 30's on pass attempts per game is fine if he taking care of the ball. I think he averaged in the low 30s last year and the Giants clearly have more options this season.
Not so sure you comprehend what establishing the run means - it doesn’t mean abandoning it... it means our offense will feed off of a strong running game. That running game will help open everything else up. We will not be sitting back in a west coast offense doing dink and dunk passes.
We will run the ball, incorporate motion, screens, designed QB runs and sweeps, which will open up a lot more deep ball attempts which is where jones is the best, and where we added the biggest weapon on Golladay.
Not sure how anyone doesn’t see that, but that will be the case.
I've long wondered why collectively the Giants staff continues to insist he's an all purpose RB, when he clearly doesn't like being confined to running the ball inside, and isn't very good at it. By contrast, it's Booker's and Clement's bread and butter. So my hope is they begin to exploit his exceptional abilities more by getting him in motion to attack the edge, or lining him up as a receiver. Would eventually love to see he and Toney in the backfield together on some plays.
Jones is still slow going through his progressions, which was an issue coming out of school, and doesn't look as if it's ever going to be a strong point. He looks pretty damn good when he can get the ball out of his hands fast with touch, or can threaten a run. So why not more RPO with Jones?
I think the Giants now have the talent on the squad to run the football equivalent of a fast break offense with lots of motion, misdirection and quick slants, outs and crossing routes underneath. Toney or Shepard? Why not Toney AND Shepard!
Essentially, I would like to see a speeded up offense with more quick developing routes, coupled with RB's coming out of the backfield as receivers, or attacking the edges as a runner on 1st and 2nd downs, compared to primarily runs up the gut.
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Will not be successful if Jones is dropping back 40 times a game.
They need to establish the run and base they’re offense off of the run, opening up the passing game. Jones is a distributor - not a Patrick Mahomes - I think we can all agree on that.
Establish the run early, open up play action, screens and deep balls.
Every game we won last year came when we were able to establish the run early. That will be the key to our success.
Yeah, not so much.
Would rather the Giants focus on running efficiently and throughout the whole game versus establishing something at the beginning for the sake of it. That's not winning offensive football in 2021.
And while 40 dropbacks may be a bit excessive, having Jones somewhere in the middle 30's on pass attempts per game is fine if he taking care of the ball. I think he averaged in the low 30s last year and the Giants clearly have more options this season.
Not so sure you comprehend what establishing the run means - it doesn’t mean abandoning it... it means our offense will feed off of a strong running game. That running game will help open everything else up. We will not be sitting back in a west coast offense doing dink and dunk passes.
We will run the ball, incorporate motion, screens, designed QB runs and sweeps, which will open up a lot more deep ball attempts which is where jones is the best, and where we added the biggest weapon on Golladay.
Not sure how anyone doesn’t see that, but that will be the case.
Coming out to establish the run and waiting for that to happen before opening up the Offense to everything else is inefficient. Nor does it mean default to a west coast style. Productive offenses today incorporate passing and running with extensive mix and play variety, using multiple players and looks. And also putting the ball in play at various depths all over the field so defenses have to extend themselves creating gaps/spaces to attack. Hopefully this will be the case.