Nearly 70 Broncos players present for Phase Two of offseason

Individuals are stupid ....if they don't realize they are only hurting themselves.....not showing up.

In comment 15265730 George from PA said:

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Individuals are stupid ....if they don't realize they are only hurting themselves.....not showing up.

I'd still like to know why Joe Judge has only schedule 8 OTAs instead of 10. Unless that was a typo by NFL.com.

In comment 15265731 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 15265730 George from PA said: Quote: Individuals are stupid ....if they don't realize they are only hurting themselves.....not showing up. I'd still like to know why Joe Judge has only schedule 8 OTAs instead of 10. Unless that was a typo by NFL.com.

I think a lot of the offseason workout stuff is way overblown. There’s only so much you can do getting these guys up to speed before a month long layoff.

I don't buy that.

You don't think new OL Coach Rob Sale has to spend as much time as he can with Matt Peart, Andrew Thomas, Shane Lemieux, Nick Gates, Will Hernandez, Kyle Murphy on technique?

So less is more?

Has been reduced over the years. All the on the field practice time is very important especially if there are any coaching changes.

In comment 15265739 Eric from BBI said:

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I don't buy that. You don't think new OL Coach Rob Sale has to spend as much time as he can with Matt Peart, Andrew Thomas, Shane Lemieux, Nick Gates, Will Hernandez, Kyle Murphy on technique? So less is more?

It's like anything. You take a significant amount of time off and you are just going to forget what you learn. Probably gave them a couple OTAs off as a bargaining chip for when the real work begins. Hey, I'm going to schedule two less OTAs, spend it with your families or whatever, but your asses better be ready to work when you come to camp type deal.

The vaccine is extremely effective and I'm sure their health plan allows for them to get it... Get to work.

In comment 15265739 Eric from BBI said:

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I don't buy that. You don't think new OL Coach Rob Sale has to spend as much time as he can with Matt Peart, Andrew Thomas, Shane Lemieux, Nick Gates, Will Hernandez, Kyle Murphy on technique? So less is more?

It probably defends on who you are. Long time vets and stars and, maybe non-unit type players, could probably role in whenever and do well. But young people and people who "need to be developed"? You would think that, if they thought about their futures and best interests" they would make the most of every bit of instructional, developmental or even (for units) cohesion-building, opportunity offered.

to ever convince me that reducing the number of OTAs (if this is in fact what has happened) is better. Not with only a limited number of practices in training camp and now only three preseason games.

One of the major reasons why the quality of football has declined has been the unbelievable reduction in practice time.

Not everything Joe Judge does is right.

In comment 15265734 Zeke's Alibi said:

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In comment 15265731 Eric from BBI said: Quote: In comment 15265730 George from PA said: Quote: Individuals are stupid ....if they don't realize they are only hurting themselves.....not showing up. I'd still like to know why Joe Judge has only schedule 8 OTAs instead of 10. Unless that was a typo by NFL.com. I think a lot of the offseason workout stuff is way overblown. There’s only so much you can do getting these guys up to speed before a month long layoff.

Of course it is, imv. Always has been..

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In comment 15265768 Eric from BBI said:

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to ever convince me that reducing the number of OTAs (if this is in fact what has happened) is better. Not with only a limited number of practices in training camp and now only three preseason games. One of the major reasons why the quality of football has declined has been the unbelievable reduction in practice time. Not everything Joe Judge does is right.

Agreed. This isn't like studying for college test where you'll forget stuff. This OL coach will have his way of teaching techniques that should be practiced during their time off.

From the Players against the union, maybe it's time the Players demand change in the union structure. They need some new blood in there.

In comment 15265776 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 15265768 Eric from BBI said: Quote: to ever convince me that reducing the number of OTAs (if this is in fact what has happened) is better. Not with only a limited number of practices in training camp and now only three preseason games. One of the major reasons why the quality of football has declined has been the unbelievable reduction in practice time. Not everything Joe Judge does is right. Agreed. This isn't like studying for college test where you'll forget stuff. This OL coach will have his way of teaching techniques that should be practiced during their time off.

Absolutely!

More work is better...period. Time off between is for working, not relaxing.

Nothing wrong with vacation, but vacation isn't 4 weeks long. Get some rest but get after everything that you learned in your OTAs.

In comment 15265786 TommyWiseau said:

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From the Players against the union, maybe it's time the Players demand change in the union structure. They need some new blood in there.

THis is a fact.
IT's unbelievable how ineffective the NFL players union is vs that of MLB and the NBA.

It's actually a really interesting study of union vs management if your into Labor Law. I find it fascinating.

need more time on the field getting coach. They reduced practice time too much and some of these players are finally realizing that

There are some on this site who think if Vince Lombardi came back from the dead, the first thing he would do is sit down on the floor in front of Judge to learn something about coaching.

In comment 15265818 Mike from Ohio said:

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There are some on this site who think if Vince Lombardi came back from the dead, the first thing he would do is sit down on the floor in front of Judge to learn something about coaching.

I saw another red flag this weekend. His comments about players being "on their own program" seemed very off to me. I get it, this was more of an orientation, but I have a hard time seeing Parcells, Coughlin, Belichick, etc. saying, "Hey, if you want to sit out the second half of practice, please do so."

To be honest, I didn't expect that from Judge.

This is still a young, developing team, still learning the system and there are new coaches / roles that need to work thru kinks before training camp. 2 positions stand out ... a bunch of new LBs and coaching roles, and Sale with the OL. There’s a lot to be gained by the coaches working with the players now to see what they have, with time to adjust some things by July. I say Screw the union & get your butt to NJ.

In comment 15265825 Spider56 said:

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This is still a young, developing team, still learning the system and there are new coaches / roles that need to work thru kinks before training camp. 2 positions stand out ... a bunch of new LBs and coaching roles, and Sale with the OL. There’s a lot to be gained by the coaches working with the players now to see what they have, with time to adjust some things by July. I say Screw the union & get your butt to NJ.

That's what I am wondering too... perhaps there is a tradeoff here with something else that we don't know about.

Or it could be part of how Judge has established accountability with the team. He is a young coach and is likely more in tune with how this generation of player is motivated. Giving them more flexibility comes with giving them more responsibility.

This is something that is changing in corporate culture and so I would not be surprised if it is changing in sports as well. Whether that is the right approach - if it is the approach he is taking - is yet to be determined.

I think Judge would be the first to agree that he is not doing things the way Parcells, Coughlin and BB did it. It's success will be evaluated like everything else, in hindsight.

In comment 15265840 Mike from Ohio said:

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Or it could be part of how Judge has established accountability with the team. He is a young coach and is likely more in tune with how this generation of player is motivated. Giving them more flexibility comes with giving them more responsibility. This is something that is changing in corporate culture and so I would not be surprised if it is changing in sports as well. Whether that is the right approach - if it is the approach he is taking - is yet to be determined. Finally, something that makes sense to me I think Judge would be the first to agree that he is not doing things the way Parcells, Coughlin and BB did it. It's success will be evaluated like everything else, in hindsight.

In comment 15265843 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 15265840 Mike from Ohio said: Quote: Or it could be part of how Judge has established accountability with the team. He is a young coach and is likely more in tune with how this generation of player is motivated. Giving them more flexibility comes with giving them more responsibility. This is something that is changing in corporate culture and so I would not be surprised if it is changing in sports as well. Whether that is the right approach - if it is the approach he is taking - is yet to be determined. Finally, something that makes sense to me I think Judge would be the first to agree that he is not doing things the way Parcells, Coughlin and BB did it. It's success will be evaluated like everything else, in hindsight.

Finally, something that makes sense to me as to why..

In comment 15265821 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 15265818 Mike from Ohio said: Quote: There are some on this site who think if Vince Lombardi came back from the dead, the first thing he would do is sit down on the floor in front of Judge to learn something about coaching. I saw another red flag this weekend. His comments about players being "on their own program" seemed very off to me. I get it, this was more of an orientation, but I have a hard time seeing Parcells, Coughlin, Belichick, etc. saying, "Hey, if you want to sit out the second half of practice, please do so." To be honest, I didn't expect that from Judge.

If that was about Toney sitting out part of the practice, I took it as that they are tailoring things to an individuals needs/conditioning in light of the weird COVID schedules as opposed to the player himself deciding the pace or format of their own program.