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BBV’s ‘deep dive’ into our schedule. Different takes offered

Big Blue '56 : 5/17/2021 6:11 pm
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It’s not who the New York Giants play in the 2021 season, it’s when.

NBC Sports’ Warren Sharp is a football analyst who has written some particularly deep dives into the importance of scheduling in the NFL. We learned months ago which teams the Giants were slated to play next season. So really, we already knew the strength of schedule. We knew that the Giants would tie for 25th in the league with a strength of schedule of .474 based on opponents’ combined 2020 win percentage, 10 spots behind the Washington Football Team and six and seven spots ahead of the Dallas Cowboys and Philadelphia Eagles, respectively.

What we didn’t know was when. And when is significant. This is where we turn to Sharp who analyzed strength of schedule in regards to timing. In order to evaluate that, Sharp considered the following variables:

Net rest edges
Opponent’s days to prepare for your game
More or less rest than opponent
Short week road games
Games off road Sunday night or Monday night
Negated bye weeks
Four games separated by 17 days




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The Giants will face four opponents in which they will have over seven days to prepare. They will face one opponent in which they will have under seven days to prepare. But luckily for the Giants, that short rest week comes early in the season. New York opens the season at home against the Denver Broncos and then will face the Football Team in Week 2 in a Thursday Night Football matchup on just four days of rest.

In all, the Giants are ranked 20th in the league in terms of rest edge, which is not bad. Overall, the timing of the 2021 schedule is fairly friendly to them.

Now, let’s consider the other teams in the NFC East.

The Eagles, who posted the worst record in the division last season at 4-11-1, not only have the easiest schedule next season in terms of 2020 opponents’ combined records at .430, but they also have the best ranking in the NFC East in terms of strength of timing. The Eagles have a +10 net rush edge, meaning that over the course of the season they will have 10 days of more rest than their opponents.

But Philly is at one serious disadvantage. The Eagles are the only team this season who has to play four games in 17 days. And, look at the teams they are playing on short rest:

Week 4: Sunday on short rest after playing on MNF they face the Chiefs.

Week 6: Thursday on short rest after playing on Sunday they face the Buccaneers.

After that busy stretch, Philly will also have to play five road games in the next seven weeks.

Meanwhile, the Cowboys are ranked similarly to the Giants with a +1 net rest edge. And the defending division champion Football Team has the toughest timing of schedule at -14, one of the worst in the league.




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Quality of opponent will likely always be more important than when a team plays said opponent. But we all know that upsets happen in the NFL every week and for a myriad of reasons. Playing on short rest, or consistently playing against teams who have had more rest, comes with its disadvantages. There is no exact way to measure the challenges involved with traveling, particularly across the country, and how such travel could impact future games. This analysis will be important to consider for a Giants team that will be looking to make significant strides forward in the 2021 season.





I could not reproduce the charts which are of interest, imv..Please take a look.

Would love your opinions on this.



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Probably one of the few things Sharp has put out that has some  
Zeke's Alibi : 5/17/2021 6:15 pm : link
merit. Didn't take a deep dive into it, but on surface seems sound.

Honestly if you are Eagles, why wouldn't you want those 4 games in 17 days to be tough games, your unlikely them anyway. Better to get teams you have a chance of beating. They certainly got a favorable schedule, not sure they are a lock to finish in last.

One massive oversight though seems to be travel miles. That's a giant factor that gamblers talk about all the time, especially how it pertains to over/under on wins on season.
RE: Probably one of the few things Sharp has put out that has some  
Big Blue '56 : 5/17/2021 6:28 pm : link
In comment 15265929 Zeke's Alibi said:
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merit. Didn't take a deep dive into it, but on surface seems sound.

Honestly if you are Eagles, why wouldn't you want those 4 games in 17 days to be tough games, your unlikely them anyway. Better to get teams you have a chance of beating. They certainly got a favorable schedule, not sure they are a lock to finish in last.

One massive oversight though seems to be travel miles. That's a giant factor that gamblers talk about all the time, especially how it pertains to over/under on wins on season.


In the last paragraph, he states, “ There is no exact way to measure the challenges involved with traveling, particularly across the country, and how such travel could impact future games.”
I would argue that of the Eagles' supposed tough breaks  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/17/2021 7:49 pm : link
Having to face the Chiefs and Bucs on short rest is not really that bad, considering that Philly would probably lose both games even if they had full rest or more leading into each game.

I'd rather they (and the rest of our NFCE rivals) have their short rest weeks leading into games that are otherwise potentially competitive.
Want to laugh?  
US1 Giants : 5/17/2021 8:29 pm : link
This ariticle from the Philly paper says the Eagles can win 12 games.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/17/2021 8:31 pm : link
When I saw schedules released, I thought Eagles got tough draw schedule wise. That's a shame...
RE: RE: Probably one of the few things Sharp has put out that has some  
Zeke's Alibi : 5/17/2021 8:38 pm : link
In comment 15265939 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 15265929 Zeke's Alibi said:


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merit. Didn't take a deep dive into it, but on surface seems sound.

Honestly if you are Eagles, why wouldn't you want those 4 games in 17 days to be tough games, your unlikely them anyway. Better to get teams you have a chance of beating. They certainly got a favorable schedule, not sure they are a lock to finish in last.

One massive oversight though seems to be travel miles. That's a giant factor that gamblers talk about all the time, especially how it pertains to over/under on wins on season.



In the last paragraph, he states, “ There is no exact way to measure the challenges involved with traveling, particularly across the country, and how such travel could impact future games.”


It's not that there is not a way to do it. Just one he couldn't find. This is exactly why this guy is a clown, he speaks in absolutes, which no true scientist would.
RE: Want to laugh?  
Bergen346 : 5/17/2021 8:48 pm : link
In comment 15266052 US1 Giants said:
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This ariticle from the Philly paper says the Eagles can win 12 games. Link - ( New Window )


Don’t know why I even clicked that link. He lost me at the Eagles “should have the best offensive line in the NFL”

Clown.
Now that fans will be back at the stadium, home field is  
Marty in Albany : 5/17/2021 9:58 pm : link
going to be an advantage again.

Consider that both the Eagles and the Giants will face the Chiefs and the Bucs. It is fair to assume that both the Eagles and Giants will lose both these games. But here's the difference: the Giants will be losing on the road while the Eagles will be losing at home. Thus, the Giants will be two-up on the Eagles in having the more winnable home games.
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allstarjim : 5/17/2021 10:58 pm : link
In comment 15266064 Bergen346 said:
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This ariticle from the Philly paper says the Eagles can win 12 games. Link - ( New Window )



Don’t know why I even clicked that link. He lost me at the Eagles “should have the best offensive line in the NFL”

Clown.


Best in the NFL is certainly hyperbolic, but they have a chance to be very good.

Andre Dillard at LT who did not play last year but a guy I really liked out of the 2019 draft, he's the wildcard.

But Seumalo has been a find at OG, then Jason Kelce, Brandon Brooks, and Lane Johnson at RT is obviously well above average. And they drafted Landon Dickerson, who, if healthy, and that's a big if, is an absolute monster.

I could see them having one of the better OLs in the NFL, but I'm not scared of Hurts, and think that will be their downfall, as well as their back 7, which I think will be pretty vulnerable.
RE: Now that fans will be back at the stadium, home field is  
allstarjim : 5/17/2021 10:59 pm : link
In comment 15266119 Marty in Albany said:
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going to be an advantage again.

Consider that both the Eagles and the Giants will face the Chiefs and the Bucs. It is fair to assume that both the Eagles and Giants will lose both these games. But here's the difference: the Giants will be losing on the road while the Eagles will be losing at home. Thus, the Giants will be two-up on the Eagles in having the more winnable home games.


The Bucs are beatable. I'm not penciling in a L against that team at all. It'll be a tough game, no doubt, but Brady can be had if you can get pressure on him.
Anyone's beatable  
Go Terps : 5/17/2021 11:02 pm : link
The Giants are just more beatable than most teams.
RE: Want to laugh?  
Joe Beckwith : 5/18/2021 1:11 am : link
In comment 15266052 US1 Giants said:
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This ariticle from the Philly paper says the Eagles can win 12 games. Link - ( New Window )


Over how many of the upcoming seasons ?
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giants#1 : 5/18/2021 9:29 am : link
In comment 15266168 allstarjim said:
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In comment 15266052 US1 Giants said:


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This ariticle from the Philly paper says the Eagles can win 12 games. Link - ( New Window )



Don’t know why I even clicked that link. He lost me at the Eagles “should have the best offensive line in the NFL”

Clown.



Best in the NFL is certainly hyperbolic, but they have a chance to be very good.

Andre Dillard at LT who did not play last year but a guy I really liked out of the 2019 draft, he's the wildcard.

But Seumalo has been a find at OG, then Jason Kelce, Brandon Brooks, and Lane Johnson at RT is obviously well above average. And they drafted Landon Dickerson, who, if healthy, and that's a big if, is an absolute monster.

I could see them having one of the better OLs in the NFL, but I'm not scared of Hurts, and think that will be their downfall, as well as their back 7, which I think will be pretty vulnerable.


They're also 33, 32, and 31 with 2 of them coming off injuries.
Yup, but not uncommon for healthy OL  
Big Blue '56 : 5/18/2021 10:48 am : link
to play well as they approach and sometimes exceed their mid-30s
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FatMan in Charlotte : 5/18/2021 10:52 am : link
In comment 15266059 Zeke's Alibi said:
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merit. Didn't take a deep dive into it, but on surface seems sound.

Honestly if you are Eagles, why wouldn't you want those 4 games in 17 days to be tough games, your unlikely them anyway. Better to get teams you have a chance of beating. They certainly got a favorable schedule, not sure they are a lock to finish in last.

One massive oversight though seems to be travel miles. That's a giant factor that gamblers talk about all the time, especially how it pertains to over/under on wins on season.



In the last paragraph, he states, “ There is no exact way to measure the challenges involved with traveling, particularly across the country, and how such travel could impact future games.”



It's not that there is not a way to do it. Just one he couldn't find. This is exactly why this guy is a clown, he speaks in absolutes, which no true scientist would.


the worst part is that some in the analytics community actually put stock in his "findings". Meanwhile, he's had several instances where's he's made the data try to fit his narratives, even to the point where he's changed it. He's a fraud.

By the way - this is the same guy who tweeted a string of comments about Gettleman panicking of draft night and how he "massively reached" for Toney at 20. Where did sharp mock Toney in his last projection the day before? Number 20 to the Bears!!
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