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ESPN Loved Those Games

gidiefor : Mod : 5/17/2021 6:28 pm
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Art Stapleton @art_stapleton

NFL senior VP of broadcasting Howard Katz was on with
@MadDogUnleashed
today and, to Chris' question about Giants' two road games vs. Bucs and Chiefs being on MNF, Katz said: "ESPN loved those games."

Katz says the network "circled those games."
@MadDogRadio

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I get the buc game  
Joey from GlenCove : 5/17/2021 6:36 pm : link
KC not so much
Joey  
gidiefor : Mod : 5/17/2021 6:38 pm : link
It means the pundits are thinking the Giants got spunk and will give both KC and the Bucs a fight making them both good games

The Giants are a lot better than a lot of folks think
RE: Joey  
Stan in LA : 5/17/2021 6:40 pm : link
In comment 15265950 gidiefor said:
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It means the pundits are thinking the Giants got spunk and will give both KC and the Bucs a fight making them both good games

The Giants are a lot better than a lot of folks think

Don't tell Eric that :)
by the way  
gidiefor : Mod : 5/17/2021 6:40 pm : link
if the Giants go after Mahomes the way they went after Russell - Mahomes looked human with real pressure on him all game in the Superbowl, and KC has a new Oline
RE: Joey  
Joey from GlenCove : 5/17/2021 6:44 pm : link
In comment 15265950 gidiefor said:
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It means the pundits are thinking the Giants got spunk and will give both KC and the Bucs a fight making them both good games

The Giants are a lot better than a lot of folks think


maybe they want to bring up "Do you know that former giants coach Ben Mcadoo wanted to draft mahomes"!!!
RE: by the way  
bluewave : 5/17/2021 6:53 pm : link
In comment 15265953 gidiefor said:
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if the Giants go after Mahomes the way they went after Russell - Mahomes looked human with real pressure on him all game in the Superbowl, and KC has a new Oline


Seemed like their gameplan was the same every time they took the field. Mahomes running around until someone has a lapse in coverage of the deep third and throw the ball. Tampa always had 3 or 4 covering the deep third of the field and Mahomes didn't know what to do.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/17/2021 7:09 pm : link
Perhaps because NYC being a big market + two most recent Super Bowl participants=big ratings?

I don't know if it has anything to say about how the networks view our team competitively.
RE: ...  
compton : 5/17/2021 7:31 pm : link
In comment 15265972 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Perhaps because NYC being a big market + two most recent Super Bowl participants=big ratings?

I don't know if it has anything to say about how the networks view our team competitively.


Networks don't care about a team's record unless it can be used to place eyeballs in front of the TV screen. The Giants as a big market team is always good for the ratings even when they are average.
Despite the bullshit in recent years the Giants are an  
eric2425ny : 5/17/2021 9:44 pm : link
Up and coming team with some nice skill players (Barkley, Golladay, Toney, Slayton, Shepard) and a defense that should be top 10 this year as long as everyone stays healthy. If Jones takes the next step it makes them even better.

Add to that the most important component, coaching. I would argue Patrick Graham is just as vital to this team as Judge right now. I hope they keep upping his pay each year to make it more lucrative to stay in NY as DC then become the head coach of a flailing team. No salary cap on assistant coaches lol. Spend away Johnny!
RE: Joey  
Bergen346 : 5/17/2021 9:48 pm : link
In comment 15265950 gidiefor said:
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It means the pundits are thinking the Giants got spunk and will give both KC and the Bucs a fight making them both good games

The Giants are a lot better than a lot of folks think


You’re being too optimistic, lets focus on how bad we can potentially be. Only the smart, educated fans can see how bad we will be. God we are going to suck!!
RE: RE: by the way  
Zeke's Alibi : 5/17/2021 10:04 pm : link
In comment 15265963 bluewave said:
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In comment 15265953 gidiefor said:


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if the Giants go after Mahomes the way they went after Russell - Mahomes looked human with real pressure on him all game in the Superbowl, and KC has a new Oline



Seemed like their gameplan was the same every time they took the field. Mahomes running around until someone has a lapse in coverage of the deep third and throw the ball. Tampa always had 3 or 4 covering the deep third of the field and Mahomes didn't know what to do.


That gameplan became impossible when both their starting tackles went down against a fearsome front 7. Bienamy/Reid made zero adjustments to their game plan.
Something tells me that ESPN executives have more expertise  
The Mike : 5/18/2021 8:25 am : link
in predicting ratings than football game outcomes...
One would think the move is to take advantage of the biggest tv market  
glowrider : 5/18/2021 8:39 am : link
But according to reports, including the one linked from early last season, the teams from New Jersey have been a pretty significant reason why the overall tv ratings have dropped. The yoy changes were huge, too.

NFL needs the New York teams to be competitive to sell their commercials to more people. If they go on prime time it’s one less excuse for supporters not to watch the game.
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RE: Joey  
Dr. D : 5/18/2021 8:56 am : link
In comment 15265950 gidiefor said:
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It means the pundits are thinking the Giants got spunk and will give both KC and the Bucs a fight making them both good games

The Giants are a lot better than a lot of folks think

The Giants are a lot better than some Giant fans think.
RE: One would think the move is to take advantage of the biggest tv market  
UConn4523 : 5/18/2021 9:01 am : link
In comment 15266249 glowrider said:
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But according to reports, including the one linked from early last season, the teams from New Jersey have been a pretty significant reason why the overall tv ratings have dropped. The yoy changes were huge, too.

NFL needs the New York teams to be competitive to sell their commercials to more people. If they go on prime time it’s one less excuse for supporters not to watch the game. Jets and Giants major laggards - ( New Window )


The state of NY was a clusterfuck last year due to COVID - so if those ratings take into account the lack of restaurant/bar attendance, you will see a drastic change in the ratings this year.

The Jets and Giants have stunk before so I really don't buy that as the reason. And there was more excitement around the Giants in 2020 than there has been since 2016.
Sure NY is a major market  
Dr. D : 5/18/2021 9:16 am : link
but I don't think espn would be excited if they thought they had 2 potential blowouts to broadcast, losing much of their audience by halftime.

Would they be excited if it was the NY Jets vs. Bucs or Chiefs? Don't think so.
RE: Sure NY is a major market  
UConn4523 : 5/18/2021 9:20 am : link
In comment 15266269 Dr. D said:
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but I don't think espn would be excited if they thought they had 2 potential blowouts to broadcast, losing much of their audience by halftime.

Would they be excited if it was the NY Jets vs. Bucs or Chiefs? Don't think so.


Bars/Restaurants will be at full capacity in NY as of tomorrow. Most restrictions lifted in CT tomorrow as well. There will be a ton more people watching sports in public venues this fall, the NFL would be fools not to take advantage of that.
Tv ratings prior to last year did not include any viewership  
glowrider : 5/18/2021 9:25 am : link
Numbers outside of homes (at least Nielsen figures). They made a pretty big deal last year that they will *start* counting bar patrons etc but that would not be in the 2019 numbers, so this is apples to apples as best I can tell.
Nielsen making big changes to viewership counting method - ( New Window )
Glowrider  
Semipro Lineman : 5/18/2021 9:25 am : link
that article was extremely early in the season as it cited the ratings for week number two as the data points. Meanwhile, the article linked below cites a more favorable result for the Giants-Cowboy game in week five. Now pointing out the ratings for just one week isn't really a good measurement for proving that the NY teams dragged down the the league ratings. Overall the league ratings were down about 7% from the prior year which some experts attribute to the pandemic and the frequent scheduling changes more than who was successful.

Personally, I feel ESPN wanted our games because; 1) the Giants represent a huge market and 2) the team played well enough down the stretch in almost winning the division to justified adding their games on a competitiveness level. So everyone is right for once
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RE: Tv ratings prior to last year did not include any viewership  
UConn4523 : 5/18/2021 9:31 am : link
In comment 15266274 glowrider said:
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Numbers outside of homes (at least Nielsen figures). They made a pretty big deal last year that they will *start* counting bar patrons etc but that would not be in the 2019 numbers, so this is apples to apples as best I can tell. Nielsen making big changes to viewership counting method - ( New Window )


I'm still skeptical. Why would a Pat Shurmur shitty 2019 team do better than a Joe Judge led team that was in the playoff hunt through week 17?

The Jets I get, their HC was a buffoon and there was no reason at all for even their own fans to watch. But doesn't make sense from a Giants standpoint - there's got to be something I'm missing in the data.
I didn’t try to hide the ball. I said it was an early season link.  
glowrider : 5/18/2021 9:33 am : link
But that was a full season trend. In week 15 with the season in the line, it was reported viewership was down 17% yoy.

Almost every game was down, and Bucs/Giants didn’t so ESPN any favors last year.
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RE: RE: Tv ratings prior to last year did not include any viewership  
glowrider : 5/18/2021 9:38 am : link
In comment 15266282 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 15266274 glowrider said:


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Numbers outside of homes (at least Nielsen figures). They made a pretty big deal last year that they will *start* counting bar patrons etc but that would not be in the 2019 numbers, so this is apples to apples as best I can tell. Nielsen making big changes to viewership counting method - ( New Window )



I'm still skeptical. Why would a Pat Shurmur shitty 2019 team do better than a Joe Judge led team that was in the playoff hunt through week 17?

The Jets I get, their HC was a buffoon and there was no reason at all for even their own fans to watch. But doesn't make sense from a Giants standpoint - there's got to be something I'm missing in the data.


Don’t know. Can only go by what the #s show, and they don’t tell us necessarily the why.
i'm skeptical on the numbers I mean  
UConn4523 : 5/18/2021 9:49 am : link
since streaming Nielsen hasn't really been fully transparent with their figures. Maybe more people cut the cord and just didn't watch sports as a result or did watch but the numbers didn't count. Don't know, but either way the report makes little sense to me.
Follow up from Art on that one....  
Britt in VA : 5/18/2021 1:24 pm : link
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Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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Insight into how NFL schedule makers view Giants, despite 6-10 last year, here's what Katz also said: "The Giants, they were a terrific defensive team. Their quarterback is maturing and Barkley was out all season. So I think we're expecting great things from the Giants this year"

RE: Glowrider  
Dinger : 5/18/2021 1:31 pm : link
In comment 15266276 Semipro Lineman said:
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Personally, I feel ESPN wanted our games because; 1) the Giants represent a huge market and 2) the team played well enough down the stretch in almost winning the division to justified adding their games on a competitiveness level. So everyone is right for once Link - ( New Window )


I agree more so with your first point. Its a huge market. And while we may be more competitive next year, I think that no matter what, they are looking to capitalize on the SB teams playing the largest TV market and probably made that a demand.
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