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I still don't understand how this call was reversed...

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/17/2021 6:59 pm
Begins @ 2:35 mark, ends around 3:05. How is the call on the field of a fumble overturned? If that call stands-and it damn well should have-we have the ball around our our 45 up 10-3. Of course GB scores to tie it 10 10 on that drive following that ridiculous overturn call.

Yeah, we ended up winning comfortably but that call-to this day-still pisses me off. That gave off 2002 Western Conference Finals Lakers vs. Kings 4th quarter of Game 6 vibes.
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Ben Levy the Angel Hernandez of the NFL  
No Where Man : 5/17/2021 7:02 pm : link
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Because his knee hit the turf  
TLong : 5/17/2021 7:21 pm : link
before the ball started to come out of his grasp?
I Know That I'm in the Minority...  
Jim in Tampa : 5/17/2021 7:26 pm : link
but I was over it immediately after the Giants won.

I only care about bad calls when the Giants lose.
Leavy is one of the all time terrible NFL officials  
Ben in Tampa : 5/17/2021 7:28 pm : link
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RE: Because his knee hit the turf  
Zeke's Alibi : 5/17/2021 7:31 pm : link
In comment 15265983 TLong said:
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before the ball started to come out of his grasp?


You are clearly a troll. I just rewatched and actually remember it being way closer than that! Holy shit that's awful. Think they get that call if we are at home? I doubt it. Why our playoff runs are even more amazing.
RE: Because his knee hit the turf  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/17/2021 7:32 pm : link
In comment 15265983 TLong said:
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before the ball started to come out of his grasp?


You serious?
RE: RE: Because his knee hit the turf  
GmanND : 5/17/2021 7:41 pm : link
In comment 15265994 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 15265983 TLong said:


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before the ball started to come out of his grasp?



You serious?


He must have been referring to the opening kick fumble as the one you're talking about isn't up for debate.
It was a total bullshit call.  
NYG07 : 5/17/2021 7:46 pm : link
The roughing the passer penalty on Osi later in the game was just as bad.
It's an absolutely  
Giantophile : 5/17/2021 7:46 pm : link
outrageous call.
One of the worst called games ever  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/17/2021 7:54 pm : link
It totally felt like the league wanted the Packers to win and gave them every call, and yet the Giants still stomped their ass. Just a very satisfying game.
It was painfully obvious in that game that  
montanagiant : 5/17/2021 7:55 pm : link
The league and the Refs wanted Green Bay to win. Another game to rewatch is the 2007 final game vs New England in the regular season. We outright beat their asses except for the BS calls by the zebras to allow NE to win and go undefeated.

An earlier BS game was vs the Rams with the ridiculous "Helmet tackle" call and the PF on Dayne after the Rams player slammed his head after a tackle and wouldn't let him up
Didn't..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/17/2021 7:57 pm : link
they change the call during a commercial without an actual review taking place?
I can't remember bad calla that far back.  
robbieballs2003 : 5/17/2021 8:17 pm : link
But nothing in the highlights is definitive either way. The rule is not a knee or an elbow. The rule is anything other than the bottom of your foot or hand and you are down. That includes a shin and top of the foot. You cannot see the complete lower leg from those angles.
I always thought the calf might have hit  
Scyber : 5/17/2021 8:23 pm : link
but never saw an angle to confirm it. I was pissed during the game, but the Giants won, so didn't bother me too much.
Reversal was legit.  
Pepe LePugh : 5/17/2021 8:47 pm : link
Rule states the play is dead when ANY PART of ballcarrier’s body touches the ground, other than feet or off ball hand. Elbow clearly hit the ground. Play was over.
RE: Didn't..  
Harvest Blend : 5/17/2021 8:48 pm : link
In comment 15266018 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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they change the call during a commercial without an actual review taking place?


That's the way I remember it. Certainly not another look to tell you why.
RE: Reversal was legit.  
BigBlueShock : 5/17/2021 8:55 pm : link
In comment 15266062 Pepe LePugh said:
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Rule states the play is dead when ANY PART of ballcarrier’s body touches the ground, other than feet or off ball hand. Elbow clearly hit the ground. Play was over.

No offense, but you are either looking at the wrong play or have no fucking clue what you’re talking about. In the play in question, at 2:35 of that video, the players elbow NEVER hit the ground. That’s never even been up for debate. The debate revolves around the “shin” hitting the ground.

Why does there always just have to be a contrarian that simply makes shit up?
RE: Reversal was legit.  
Bergen346 : 5/17/2021 8:56 pm : link
In comment 15266062 Pepe LePugh said:
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Rule states the play is dead when ANY PART of ballcarrier’s body touches the ground, other than feet or off ball hand. Elbow clearly hit the ground. Play was over.


Is this sarcasm? I mean his elbow clearly didn’t hit the ground.
RE: Reversal was legit.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/17/2021 8:56 pm : link
In comment 15266062 Pepe LePugh said:
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Rule states the play is dead when ANY PART of ballcarrier’s body touches the ground, other than feet or off ball hand. Elbow clearly hit the ground. Play was over.


Again, WTF? This is as clear as day.
I don’t care about the 9-7 record..  
Sean : 5/17/2021 9:05 pm : link
That team was tough. Those teams were built for January. I really enjoyed watching that full highlight video.
Ahmad Bradshaw  
Bergen346 : 5/17/2021 9:09 pm : link
Was such a beast. Pound for pound one of the best runners I’ve ever seen. That fumble recovery in 2007 and his performance in 2011 wee key to us winning two rings.

Also, Eli was a tough SOB. He hung in there and fired some crazy throws. I hope we get back to this type of football one day.

Thank you for sharing.
RE: I don’t care about the 9-7 record..  
GruningsOnTheHill : 5/17/2021 9:15 pm : link
In comment 15266078 Sean said:
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That team was tough. Those teams were built for January. I really enjoyed watching that full highlight video.

+1
RE: RE: Reversal was legit.  
Pepe LePugh : 5/17/2021 9:55 pm : link
In comment 15266068 BigBlueShock said:
[quote] In comment 15266062 Pepe LePugh said:


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Rule states the play is dead when ANY PART of ballcarrier’s body touches the ground, other than feet or off ball hand. Elbow clearly hit the ground. Play was over.


No offense, but you are either looking at the wrong play or have no fucking clue what you’re talking about. In the play in question, at 2:35 of that video, the players elbow NEVER hit the ground. That’s never even been up for debate. The debate revolves around the “shin” hitting the ground.

Okay. You’re right. I was looking at the fumble on the kickoff. Didn’t watch see the other play, and couldn’t understand why there was so much dispute.
I knew what play this was  
cjac : 5/18/2021 6:29 am : link
Before I even opened the thread.

The Giants won the game and we still talk about it.
I knew what play this was  
cjac : 5/18/2021 6:30 am : link
Before I even opened the thread.

The Giants won the game and we still talk about it.
I’ve talked about that call ad nauseum  
bradshaw44 : 5/18/2021 6:35 am : link
On this site. It was the first time I actually believed the league was fixed. FMIC always points out how the call was fumble, they went to commercial and when they came back it was GB ball and the game had commenced with no explanation. Unbelievable.
RE: Didn't..  
bradshaw44 : 5/18/2021 6:36 am : link
In comment 15266018 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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they change the call during a commercial without an actual review taking place?


Ha, just saw this after my post.
My friend..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/18/2021 7:12 am : link
went to that game and said he never they never did a review in the stadium that he could see. The viewing public never saw a review.

Maybe one happened, but we never got an explanation of it. It is like Leavy just awarded the ball back to the Packers.
Wow  
JOrthman : 5/18/2021 7:18 am : link
Man I miss Bradshaw
Then there was  
cjac : 5/18/2021 8:24 am : link
the bullshit roughing the passer in the 4th Quarter basically letting GB back in the game.

Thank goodness we won that game, both those calls still piss me off despite the outcome
Giants should have scored  
McNally's_Nuts : 5/18/2021 10:25 am : link
50 on them in this game.

Two awful calls and a roughing the passer call when Rodgers was no where near the pocket.
The problem is  
JonC : 5/18/2021 10:26 am : link
the best angle I remember is the one where Webster is blocking part of the view of the Packers' lower leg. You could infer his calf was down and it's not visible in the replay, thus no overturn.

I think it was a fumble. I don't think any reasonable Packers fan would've argued otherwise either. Leavy is one official who will not change a call without clear evidence. And, the replays available gave him an out to not overturn.
Nevermind  
JonC : 5/18/2021 10:29 am : link
I forgot he overturned a fumble call. It was an awful call based on the replays shown on TV. Leavy must have felt like the calf was down, or someone was in his ear telling to him to flip it ...
Final Score that day was a bit more like...  
Jimmy Googs : 5/18/2021 10:31 am : link
Giants 37
Refs 14
Green Bay 6

Monster games from Nicks, Osi and Boley...
that was one of the worst  
ryanmkeane : 5/18/2021 10:32 am : link
overturned calls that I've seen
RE: Because his knee hit the turf  
Dave : 5/18/2021 10:32 am : link
In comment 15265983 TLong said:
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before the ball started to come out of his grasp?


idk about the knee, but did they rule ankle or calf touched the turf? weird call to overturn
RE: Didn't..  
Bramton1 : 5/18/2021 10:49 am : link
In comment 15266018 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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they change the call during a commercial without an actual review taking place?


They ruled it a fumble and the Packers challenged. So the burden was on the Packers to get it overturned. Then after the commercial break, they said the call on the field was now no fumble, and the Giants challenged. And I assume they reviewed the play with their eyes closed, they said there wasn't enough evidence to overturn the call.

The Packers had two touchdowns that game, and boh were set up by horrible calls made that extended drives. It wshould have been a HUGE blowout. Like 38-6.
Thanks..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/18/2021 10:54 am : link
for that. So Leavy changed the call on the field himself, putting the burden on the Giants to overturn it.

Changing the initial call was the horseshit part. Kind of reminds me of the refs picking up the flag for PI vs. the Bucs last season.
RE: I don’t care about the 9-7 record..  
NYG07 : 5/18/2021 11:00 am : link
In comment 15266078 Sean said:
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That team was tough. Those teams were built for January. I really enjoyed watching that full highlight video.


My favorite team of all time. That was a 12-4 team that went 9-7. I know the defense ranked poorly during the season but that was mostly due to injuries. They were stacked with talent and JPP was a monster that year. Eli was arguably MVP of the league and the running game, while poor during the regular season, was stellar in the playoffs.

It was extremely obvious heading into the playoffs that year that all of the division winners in the NFC were better than every playoff team in the AFC. I have no idea why the Patriots were favored in the Superbowl.
in the last 20 years or so  
djm : 5/18/2021 11:22 am : link
I have never screamed and unleashed such a creative array of curses and verbal attacks on the TV like I did that day. I shudder to think what I would have done if the Giants had lost. I gave the ref gonorrhea that day, among many other things. I had him dying alone in a crack alley. My friends remind to this day.
RE: RE: Because his knee hit the turf  
TLong : 5/18/2021 1:04 pm : link
In comment 15265993 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 15265983 TLong said:


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before the ball started to come out of his grasp?



You are clearly a troll. I just rewatched and actually remember it being way closer than that! Holy shit that's awful. Think they get that call if we are at home? I doubt it. Why our playoff runs are even more amazing.


Not a troll. Just very old eyes. Note the ? ? ? ?
For years I have been doubtful  
TLong : 5/18/2021 1:09 pm : link
of some NFL officiating.
There is a lot of money on the line, even for regular
season games.
These problems could be handled in a much better fashion.
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