Just the oddness of his rookie camp with shoe stuff, lower leg problem and now a no show at OTA's? Not saying there is as it is early but it has entered my mind. Anybody else worried?
He dropped on a lot of team’s boards due to character issues. A few other teams basically admitted they they’d have taken him in the first round/20s also.
All we can do is hope the Giants vetting process was sound here and that the coaching staff can get the most out of this kid.
Trainia tweeted out that Toney has not been to any of the OTAs. But no other reporter has tweeted that or written about it in articles as far as I can find.
If was out just yesterday, not that concerned. But if he is skipping all of the OTAs, then I would start to wonder if he is getting bad advice from his agent.
The only rookie who hasn’t signed his contract. As is the Giants usual practice, the later round picks get signed and then they work their way to the higher picks.
Draft picks have very little leverage in negotiating so I am not surprised that Toney isn’t there until he signs. No one is in any hurry and it isn’t like he is going to be the key to the offense, at least initially. He hasn’t shown any indication that he is a diva.
Trainia tweeted out that Toney has not been to any of the OTAs. But no other reporter has tweeted that or written about it in articles as far as I can find.
If was out just yesterday, not that concerned. But if he is skipping all of the OTAs, then I would start to wonder if he is getting bad advice from his agent.
Why is it bad advice? There's a rift in the league right now between the NFLPA and the league and the players are obviously smack dab in the middle of it. Easy for fans to think these guys should simply do whatever the team asks but its clearly not that simple since tons of players aren't reporting.
COVID has made it even worse, impossible to know what the motivations are for each player but if Toney is one of them I'd hope he's communicated it with Judge and will report when he has to.
with regard to high draft choices. Should we worry? I realize this is not unique to this franchise. So let’s wait and see but there is a chance of a fiasco.
most definitely skipped OTAs to film a music video
then change it and make it involuntary in negotiations with the NFLPA..Otherwise, stfu and leave the players alone..I wouldn’t show either..Somehow, During minicamps and training camp, they’ll be quickly brought up to speed..
In my old age I've realized that I have enough things to worry about
to not report to any OTA is a bad look. He is not a veteran who knows the system. Is it a big deal...no. Does it help alleviate pre-draft concerns...no.
didn’t sign until right before camp. It’s May. I realize there’s not much news so we over-interpret everything but let’s wait at least until camp to label him a diva.
RE: In my old age I've realized that I have enough things to worry about
For a lot of guys. I'm not sure I would jeopardize that without a contract either. I understand why he's not at the voluntary workouts 100%. It's not apples to apples at all but the Ju'wan James thing just happened, that's something that would grab my attention as an athlete regardless of how different the situations are.
there were attitude and character concerns the second he was drafted as his scouting report had numerous red flags which everyone is aware of
regardless of if these OTAs are important or not, you'd like to think that he has enough self-awareness to know this and put this to bed by just showing up at these things (even if just to watch if he's hurt). and if he does have good reasons not to be there, then bad job by the team not making them known.
but no, he isn't there and he had cleat issues (i've never heard of that before) that impacted his rookie camp as well. not exactly a great start
also spare me the BS that the giants can't have his negotiations done by now. that's absolute bullshit. they have many, many highly paid full time employees. they don't need to wrap up the later round contracts before the early ones.
ranaan touched on toney briefly in his most recent podcast, which was a good listen.
I thought the shoe incident was very bizarre for a pro sports team; however, not going to exactly freak out yet.
You've never seen a player lose a shoe during a game?
maybe i'm incorrect but i don't think he lost a shoe. i thought the issue was that he had a cleat that didn't fit that prevented him from finishing practices.
Practicing even without a shoe makes me confident he wants to play.
Trainia tweeted out that Toney has not been to any of the OTAs. But no other reporter has tweeted that or written about it in articles as far as I can find.
If was out just yesterday, not that concerned. But if he is skipping all of the OTAs, then I would start to wonder if he is getting bad advice from his agent.
Does he have an agent? I think that is becoming the norm lately and not a good norm.
there were attitude and character concerns the second he was drafted as his scouting report had numerous red flags which everyone is aware of
regardless of if these OTAs are important or not, you'd like to think that he has enough self-awareness to know this and put this to bed by just showing up at these things (even if just to watch if he's hurt). and if he does have good reasons not to be there, then bad job by the team not making them known.
but no, he isn't there and he had cleat issues (i've never heard of that before) that impacted his rookie camp as well. not exactly a great start
also spare me the BS that the giants can't have his negotiations done by now. that's absolute bullshit. they have many, many highly paid full time employees. they don't need to wrap up the later round contracts before the early ones.
ranaan touched on toney briefly in his most recent podcast, which was a good listen.
As of today there is only 10 of the 32 first round draft picks signed by their respective teams. This is standard timing when it comes to 1st round draft picks and I don't expect toney to show up until he has a contract. Why should he? If he gets injured before he has a contract, he risks losing a lot of money.
As far as concerns about character or being a diva? Based on what exactly? He has not said or done anything to give any impression of concern.
But I remember a day when teams would have guys that were and instead of worrying about it they trusted the coaches to "manage" the personality and find a way to get production out of him.
Remember what a diva and a headcase Randy Moss was with the Raiders, how fast that changed when he went to a coach (Bill B) who realized dealing with that was just part of the job?
But I remember a day when teams would have guys that were and instead of worrying about it they trusted the coaches to "manage" the personality and find a way to get production out of him.
Remember what a diva and a headcase Randy Moss was with the Raiders, how fast that changed when he went to a coach (Bill B) who realized dealing with that was just part of the job?
Randy Moss went from Aaron Brooks at QB to Tom Brady... come on back to reality.
Sounds like he comes from a great family. His dad has had to jump in at times while at FL to get Toney back on track. So I think there is a good support system there.
But I definitely sense he could fall into the wild card category. Some of the stuff Sy suggested was somewhat concerning.
He's certainly going to be an interesting player to watch. If his mind is right, there is a lot there to like physically.
and I mean everything I have heard from him has been positive. When asked why he continued with the drills even though he was without a shoe, he said (paraphrasing) "They took a chance on me, I owe it to them to give everything I've got".
All we can do is hope the Giants vetting process was sound here and that the coaching staff can get the most out of this kid.
If was out just yesterday, not that concerned. But if he is skipping all of the OTAs, then I would start to wonder if he is getting bad advice from his agent.
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Aw Shit!
Draft picks have very little leverage in negotiating so I am not surprised that Toney isn’t there until he signs. No one is in any hurry and it isn’t like he is going to be the key to the offense, at least initially. He hasn’t shown any indication that he is a diva.
If was out just yesterday, not that concerned. But if he is skipping all of the OTAs, then I would start to wonder if he is getting bad advice from his agent.
Why is it bad advice? There's a rift in the league right now between the NFLPA and the league and the players are obviously smack dab in the middle of it. Easy for fans to think these guys should simply do whatever the team asks but its clearly not that simple since tons of players aren't reporting.
COVID has made it even worse, impossible to know what the motivations are for each player but if Toney is one of them I'd hope he's communicated it with Judge and will report when he has to.
We should be questioning his work ethic and personal life HARD right now!!!
So that would help
Just have to hope she's not a Giant fan.Because other people might start seeing shoe's thrown in there direction.
😂 hahaha
Let's get the guy signed and things should fall into place.
You've never seen a player lose a shoe during a game?
regardless of if these OTAs are important or not, you'd like to think that he has enough self-awareness to know this and put this to bed by just showing up at these things (even if just to watch if he's hurt). and if he does have good reasons not to be there, then bad job by the team not making them known.
but no, he isn't there and he had cleat issues (i've never heard of that before) that impacted his rookie camp as well. not exactly a great start
also spare me the BS that the giants can't have his negotiations done by now. that's absolute bullshit. they have many, many highly paid full time employees. they don't need to wrap up the later round contracts before the early ones.
ranaan touched on toney briefly in his most recent podcast, which was a good listen.
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I thought the shoe incident was very bizarre for a pro sports team; however, not going to exactly freak out yet.
You've never seen a player lose a shoe during a game?
Joe Morris on 1985 TD run at home against tge Steelers…:)
I don't really anticipate that Toney will be a problem, he seems to have the right attitude so far
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I thought the shoe incident was very bizarre for a pro sports team; however, not going to exactly freak out yet.
You've never seen a player lose a shoe during a game?
maybe i'm incorrect but i don't think he lost a shoe. i thought the issue was that he had a cleat that didn't fit that prevented him from finishing practices.
I'm an old fogey and body piercings put me off. So the nose ring bothers me and makes me wonder about his judgment, not his desire.
I'd be more concerned that everyone makes it through these practices healthy.
If was out just yesterday, not that concerned. But if he is skipping all of the OTAs, then I would start to wonder if he is getting bad advice from his agent.
Does he have an agent? I think that is becoming the norm lately and not a good norm.
regardless of if these OTAs are important or not, you'd like to think that he has enough self-awareness to know this and put this to bed by just showing up at these things (even if just to watch if he's hurt). and if he does have good reasons not to be there, then bad job by the team not making them known.
but no, he isn't there and he had cleat issues (i've never heard of that before) that impacted his rookie camp as well. not exactly a great start
also spare me the BS that the giants can't have his negotiations done by now. that's absolute bullshit. they have many, many highly paid full time employees. they don't need to wrap up the later round contracts before the early ones.
ranaan touched on toney briefly in his most recent podcast, which was a good listen.
As of today there is only 10 of the 32 first round draft picks signed by their respective teams. This is standard timing when it comes to 1st round draft picks and I don't expect toney to show up until he has a contract. Why should he? If he gets injured before he has a contract, he risks losing a lot of money.
As far as concerns about character or being a diva? Based on what exactly? He has not said or done anything to give any impression of concern.
Remember what a diva and a headcase Randy Moss was with the Raiders, how fast that changed when he went to a coach (Bill B) who realized dealing with that was just part of the job?
Has this been reported or is it just a poster making shit up?
Has this been reported or is it just a poster making shit up?
Apparently strained a calf muscle in rookie camp.
Remember what a diva and a headcase Randy Moss was with the Raiders, how fast that changed when he went to a coach (Bill B) who realized dealing with that was just part of the job?
Randy Moss went from Aaron Brooks at QB to Tom Brady... come on back to reality.
But I definitely sense he could fall into the wild card category. Some of the stuff Sy suggested was somewhat concerning.
He's certainly going to be an interesting player to watch. If his mind is right, there is a lot there to like physically.