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| Last week, we reported that Jones was the most accurate deep passer in the league and this week we’re here to tell you he’s one of the best running quarterbacks in the league as well. Jones has an additional dimension to his game. He can run. He led all quarterbacks in yards per rush in 2020 with a 6.5-yards per attempt average. He didn’t qualify for the league lead by QBs since he rushed just 65 times. The minimum is 100 carries. Jones’s rushing ability gets overlooked. By contrast, he’s just as effective as the NFL’s top rushing QBs, Baltimore’s Lamar Jackson (6.3 yards per attempt) and Arizona’s Kyler Murray (6.2). From Nick Shook of NFL.com on Jackson: One year after Jackson dominated the 10-plus-yard runs category, the quarterback saw a significant decrease in big gains on the ground (47 to 32). Jackson still landed among the league leaders in such runs, though, and he again made defenses pay for letting him find open space. Jackson’s 85 15-plus mph runs were the third most in the NFL. Jackson tied Murray for most 20-plus mph runs among quarterbacks with four (Daniel Jones also posted four but didn’t have enough total carries to qualify). |
I can't wait to see what form tomorrow's takes. All I know is that there will be two specific people posting on it to reiterate how poor jones is.
And you'll be there whining about it, I'm sure.
As for Jones's intelligence...it's one thing to see things on a whiteboard or film, and another to translate it to play speed. Again, we can't say we weren't warned:
What we've seen in two years in the NFL aligns perfectly with Sy's statement.
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I am hoping he improves movement in the pocket and still getting the ball down field. Some boots with pass option are fine. Get yardage and get out of pounds. Last year he got hurt challenging a tackler.
We may even see some type of QB throwback. Both Barkley and Toney can wing it.
I waned him at #6 two years ago, still pleased with the pick.
I'm rooting for the kid. I hope he crushes it this fall. I'm not expecting it, but sure as hell hope I'm wrong.
Not so smart QBs that have superior athletic talents can often still beat the players and defensive schemes put on the field to slow him down.
QBs that are smart and/or have superior athletic talents that still can’t often beat Defenses for whatever reason, get replaced...
lmao!
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BB56 whined the other day that people weren't posting on a Jones thread. Lots of posts that add little...
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BB56 whined the other day that people weren't posting on a Jones thread. Lots of posts that add little... Link - ( New Window )
Yup, everyone whines but you..
The long 20 yards are a great asset too but those are usually had because the defense has a breakdown and fast legs take advantage.
I believe in Jones and I hope he is smart enough to be an "air first" type who runs when there is the right opportunity rather than just cause he can.
"its a message board" - yeah, a miserable one. Get outside and get some fresh air, pet a dog, play with you kids, have some ice cream. Smile a little.
But here are attempts by other running QBs:
- LJax 159
- Cam 137
- KMurray - 133
- Allen - 102
- Watson - 90
Those are QBs who put real pressure on the defense with their ability to manufacture runs. Now I'm all for Jones running the ball more. But he's not really shifty or quick. And he's a big target. So there is a high element of risk.
Most QB Runs are Based on ESCAPE or Read (when it's an RPO) The idea in either case is to have enough decisiveness and burst and speed to get away from defenders. All the hard work is about decision and first step---these aren't "running plays" where QB's find the first few yards and then fight through tackles.
"its a message board" - yeah, a miserable one. Get outside and get some fresh air, pet a dog, play with you kids, have some ice cream. Smile a little.
The special thread was ruined because of some comments that aren't positive to Jones?
If you truly think so then you should follow your own advice.
I'm in agreement as well, the biggest benefit is what it brings to the other players on offense and you don't force it, you take what the defense gives you. But for me, that means not putting him on a pitch count in either direction. You don't say we've got run him X amount of time or we can't run him more than Y. You make it a tangible part of your offense and put it on the front burner when you're looking for opportunities.
Yes, agree with a lot of these comments. Risk on Jones will exist no matter how the Offense is designed.
His development as a scrambler/runner should improve along with the rest of his game, including when to mitigate some of that risk in when and how he runs.
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point to a positive attribute, ohh no can't have that. Make sure we are reminded of what he hasn't been good at yet. Truly awesome stuff.
"its a message board" - yeah, a miserable one. Get outside and get some fresh air, pet a dog, play with you kids, have some ice cream. Smile a little.
The special thread was ruined because of some comments that aren't positive to Jones?
If you truly think so then you should follow your own advice.
I have, quite frequently in fact. The time I waste on Jones/Gentleman threads must be down 90%. They are always shitshows and I generally learn nothing from them.
You can also see my follow up, sarcastic post about the OP and how I think he can excel. But that's hard to shit on, right?
Good news may be you only have 10% more to reach your goal.
For keeping his eyes downfield and still maneuvering around the pocket. His fumbles, for example, are not all due to having weak hands, but rather where he holds the ball coupled with a lack of awareness about where the pressure is coming from.
And will Daniel Jones continue to stand tall and rigid in the pocket; fixate on a receiver; and get whammed between the shoulder blades by an EDGE rusher? His career as a starting NFL QB is on the line, and this is his most important test.
Good news may be you only have 10% more to reach your goal.
Yeah it does doesn't it? I said it once, was cordial, and didn't obsess over my point being right and someone else's being wrong (because that's what these threads always succumb to and if you think otherwise i've got a bridge to sell you). I post on them less because the conversation has become pretty stupid, repetitive, and always ends up is shitslinging.
Not really sure what you want here anyway. Take your own advice right back if you don't like the way I post then you are free to move on and ignore me. You are free to shit on Jones all you want I'm i'm free to laugh at it. Go nuts man.
And, go..
And, go..
He was very careless - true. But he did offset some of that with 20/9, 500+ yards rushing, 9 rushing TDs, and the Bills snuck into the playoffs at 10-6.
Huh? Speed matters, ask Lamar Jackson. It means that Jones has the ability to be used differently because he's good at it (hopefully Judge isn't scared off by an injury concern). He needs to win more games, which is a separate topic. You might need to go back to sleep.
Allen: 109 rushes, 510 yards, 42 First Downs, 9 TDs, 43 QB Hits, 43 Scrambles, 14 Fumbles
Jones: 65 rushes, 423 yards, 15 First Downs, 1 TDs, 55 QB Hits, 22 Scrambles, 11 Fumbles
But here are attempts by other running QBs:
- LJax 159
- Cam 137
- KMurray - 133
- Allen - 102
- Watson - 90
Those are QBs who put real pressure on the defense with their ability to manufacture runs. Now I'm all for Jones running the ball more. But he's not really shifty or quick. And he's a big target. So there is a high element of risk.
I agree that the run against Philly showcased his top speed but was the result of a total breakdown by Philly.
In terms of consistent ground game, if you remove the longest* run from the these QBs, you are left with
Lamar: 158 rushes, 955 yards, 55 First Downs (6.04 ypc)
Kyler: 132 rushes, 772 yards, 51 First Downs (5.85 ypc)
Jones: 64 rushes, 343 yards, 14 First Downs (5.36 ypc)
Yes, there's a bit of "well if you remove his best thing, he isn't as good" to this argument, but I do think that it better encapsulates his general performance, especially considering how many fewer rushing attempts he had. Lamar and Kyler are far better scramblers and at generating something out of nothing with their legs, or at least they have proven that more often and with better success.
That said, DJ's top speed and long strides should be a huge benefit this year. With Golloday, Toney, and Barkley on the field together, it should open up several more opportunities for Jones to pick up chunks of yards with his legs in the way that Andrew Luck was able to pick up crucial first downs.
*Lamar's longest was 50, Kyler's was 48, and Jones's was 80.
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may I add a cherry? Unless it was a typo, I see where Josh Allen had 14 fumbles his second year..
And, go..
He was very careless - true. But he did offset some of that with 20/9, 500+ yards rushing, 9 rushing TDs, and the Bills snuck into the playoffs at 10-6.
My point was, as with DJ, he was careless in year 2..Let’s see how year 3 for DJ plays out with better personnel
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expressing views and opinions on Daniel Jones.
Good news may be you only have 10% more to reach your goal.
Yeah it does doesn't it? I said it once, was cordial, and didn't obsess over my point being right and someone else's being wrong (because that's what these threads always succumb to and if you think otherwise i've got a bridge to sell you). I post on them less because the conversation has become pretty stupid, repetitive, and always ends up is shitslinging.
Not really sure what you want here anyway. Take your own advice right back if you don't like the way I post then you are free to move on and ignore me. You are free to shit on Jones all you want I'm i'm free to laugh at it. Go nuts man.
Yeah, although I don't crap on Daniel Jones. Nor did I give you advice, only noted you aren't following your own. Especially if your view of "these threads" are that they are a mudslinging waste of time.
But I don't want you to fall off the wagon on your goal so will end this here.
I love a nice healthy dialogue of contrasting opinions. Once they become an agenda filled obsession i'm generally gone. So yeah i'll participate to an extent (the 10%). Hope that makes sense.
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was it faster than 20mph? who gives a shit if he runs 19.5 or 20.5mph in some loss. wake me when jones beats a team with a winning record.
Huh? Speed matters, ask Lamar Jackson. It means that Jones has the ability to be used differently because he's good at it (hopefully Judge isn't scared off by an injury concern). He needs to win more games, which is a separate topic. You might need to go back to sleep.
you're comparing jones to lamar jackson? LMAO.
and judge should be concerned about the potential for injury. jones missed time both years with leg injuries. year one it was on a QB sneak IIRC. fair enough. but this past year it was on some run. he's not instinctual and elusive like jackson, and so has a higher injury risk.
again: i'll be happy when jones shows he has what it takes between the ears, i could give a shit how fast he ran four times.
The injury is a concern but if him being mobile means he's a starting caliber QB, they have to move forward with that gameplan. If Jones can't sustain it, he isn't long for this league.
If i'm Judge I use 2021 to make Jones into a dual threat QB and either reap the benefits now (Jones playing better) or reap the benefits of pivoting to a new QB in the 2022 draft if Jones can't hold up and keeps getting injured.
Or does that not jibe with the idea he's got middling physical tools??
Stupid take. Sy's draft scouting report suggested Jones' most significant problem was processing information quickly. Agree or disagree with that, but to say that is something people with an agenda made up as part of an agenda is just completely baseless.
Unless Sy is also "one of them!!!"
If i'm Judge I use 2021 to make Jones into a dual threat QB and either reap the benefits now (Jones playing better) or reap the benefits of pivoting to a new QB in the 2022 draft if Jones can't hold up and keeps getting injured.
I completely agree with this. If the Giants aren't running Jones they aren't using him as best they can. To this point he's only been running 4 times a game. That number needs to be around 8 per game at least. For comparison's sake, Lamar Jackson has averaged 11.2/game the last two seasons (his two full seasons as starter.
It's a major weapon with Jones. Use it.
We’re going to surprise, imo.
- Healthy QB, in his 3rd year
- Best RB in the league, who by all reports is healthy and ready
- WR group talent-wise right there
- TE group talent-wise right there
- Hand picked offensive line by Judge
Given the investment, the surprise should really be if the Giants don’t produce.
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at 65 for the season. And that YPC is a bit skewed by the 80 yarder against Philly. You still count it, but it's not like Jones made anyone miss. It was a complete breakdown of the Philly D.
But here are attempts by other running QBs:
- LJax 159
- Cam 137
- KMurray - 133
- Allen - 102
- Watson - 90
Those are QBs who put real pressure on the defense with their ability to manufacture runs. Now I'm all for Jones running the ball more. But he's not really shifty or quick. And he's a big target. So there is a high element of risk.
I agree that the run against Philly showcased his top speed but was the result of a total breakdown by Philly.
In terms of consistent ground game, if you remove the longest* run from the these QBs, you are left with
Lamar: 158 rushes, 955 yards, 55 First Downs (6.04 ypc)
Kyler: 132 rushes, 772 yards, 51 First Downs (5.85 ypc)
Jones: 64 rushes, 343 yards, 14 First Downs (5.36 ypc)
Yes, there's a bit of "well if you remove his best thing, he isn't as good" to this argument, but I do think that it better encapsulates his general performance, especially considering how many fewer rushing attempts he had. Lamar and Kyler are far better scramblers and at generating something out of nothing with their legs, or at least they have proven that more often and with better success.
That said, DJ's top speed and long strides should be a huge benefit this year. With Golloday, Toney, and Barkley on the field together, it should open up several more opportunities for Jones to pick up chunks of yards with his legs in the way that Andrew Luck was able to pick up crucial first downs.
*Lamar's longest was 50, Kyler's was 48, and Jones's was 80.
Good post. I'm on board with running DJ more. A lot more. The risk is high, due to the lack of wiggle, but with the other first round pick in '22, it's worth the stretch.
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at 65 for the season. And that YPC is a bit skewed by the 80 yarder against Philly. You still count it, but it's not like Jones made anyone miss. It was a complete breakdown of the Philly D.
But here are attempts by other running QBs:
- LJax 159
- Cam 137
- KMurray - 133
- Allen - 102
- Watson - 90
Those are QBs who put real pressure on the defense with their ability to manufacture runs. Now I'm all for Jones running the ball more. But he's not really shifty or quick. And he's a big target. So there is a high element of risk.
I agree that the run against Philly showcased his top speed but was the result of a total breakdown by Philly.
In terms of consistent ground game, if you remove the longest* run from the these QBs, you are left with
Lamar: 158 rushes, 955 yards, 55 First Downs (6.04 ypc)
Kyler: 132 rushes, 772 yards, 51 First Downs (5.85 ypc)
Jones: 64 rushes, 343 yards, 14 First Downs (5.36 ypc)
Yes, there's a bit of "well if you remove his best thing, he isn't as good" to this argument, but I do think that it better encapsulates his general performance, especially considering how many fewer rushing attempts he had. Lamar and Kyler are far better scramblers and at generating something out of nothing with their legs, or at least they have proven that more often and with better success.
That said, DJ's top speed and long strides should be a huge benefit this year. With Golloday, Toney, and Barkley on the field together, it should open up several more opportunities for Jones to pick up chunks of yards with his legs in the way that Andrew Luck was able to pick up crucial first downs.
*Lamar's longest was 50, Kyler's was 48, and Jones's was 80.
I think its worth noting that Kyler is throwing to Hopkins and Jackson is behind one of the best lines in football. The only luxury Jones has had was a limited Barkley his rookie year.
I bet we are able to be more creative with play designs this year due to the increased investment in tools for Jones. When you don't have a WR worth doubling, and you don't have a RB on the team that can score on any given touch, its pretty easy to contain the QB.
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at 65 for the season. And that YPC is a bit skewed by the 80 yarder against Philly. You still count it, but it's not like Jones made anyone miss. It was a complete breakdown of the Philly D.
But here are attempts by other running QBs:
- LJax 159
- Cam 137
- KMurray - 133
- Allen - 102
- Watson - 90
Those are QBs who put real pressure on the defense with their ability to manufacture runs. Now I'm all for Jones running the ball more. But he's not really shifty or quick. And he's a big target. So there is a high element of risk.
I agree that the run against Philly showcased his top speed but was the result of a total breakdown by Philly.
In terms of consistent ground game, if you remove the longest* run from the these QBs, you are left with
Lamar: 158 rushes, 955 yards, 55 First Downs (6.04 ypc)
Kyler: 132 rushes, 772 yards, 51 First Downs (5.85 ypc)
Jones: 64 rushes, 343 yards, 14 First Downs (5.36 ypc)
Yes, there's a bit of "well if you remove his best thing, he isn't as good" to this argument, but I do think that it better encapsulates his general performance, especially considering how many fewer rushing attempts he had. Lamar and Kyler are far better scramblers and at generating something out of nothing with their legs, or at least they have proven that more often and with better success.
That said, DJ's top speed and long strides should be a huge benefit this year. With Golloday, Toney, and Barkley on the field together, it should open up several more opportunities for Jones to pick up chunks of yards with his legs in the way that Andrew Luck was able to pick up crucial first downs.
*Lamar's longest was 50, Kyler's was 48, and Jones's was 80.
Good post. I'm on board with running DJ more. A lot more. The risk is high, due to the lack of wiggle, but with the other first round pick in '22, it's worth the stretch.
Are you saying that since the team won't give up on him, you're new secret plan is to incapacitate him?
Are you saying that since the team won't give up on him, you're new secret plan is to incapacitate him?
I do have a new secret plan, but it's not that... ;)
Except running for the sticks, if the field is open; same for up the middle. Even Tom Brady takes that. In Jones case, he has shown he can take it to the house.
As far as trying to imitate Lamar Jackson, he's fast enough but not agile enough to avoid contact, no thanks.
Me too.
I expect them to try to operate with Jones primarily in the pocket.
I expect them to try to operate with Jones primarily in the pocket.
If that’s the case then you either think Judge is full of shit when he talked about finding out what a player does well as opposed to what he can’t do. Or Judge doesn’t have the say in the organization we think he does.
He strikes me as someone who would identify Jones in the pocket as not a strength. They’re trying to win after all.
I expect them to try to operate with Jones primarily in the pocket.
Undoubtedly, One Giants Way were pursuing Eli 2.0 when they drafted Eli. But I think that was based more on Jones's persona and training, not his physical attributes.
Because Jones is much, much more athletic than Eli, but Eli is John Nash in the pocket with his decision making compared to Jones. And Eli had better arm talent.
Now, I'm all far Jones getting better in the pocket, but to reduce him to mostly a pocket QB would be, as our fat friend in Charlotte says, obtuse...