NFT: Knicks offseason chat

see Kawhi leaving, he had his chance to come to the Knicks and seemed as if we were not even a consideration for him. Does the season we have change that? I doubt it. With that said, we may need to see if a "Star" is disgruntled and hop on the opportunity. I would love to keep RJ and watch him develop but he is not someone who I would refuse to trade of a star became available.

I would love to bring Rose back as the backup point along with someone like Lonzo or Lowry. I actually would prefer Lonzo as he is much much younger and he is an improving player but I would be happy with Lowry.

Aside from bringing back Rose, I could see them trying to resign two of Burks, Bullock and Noel.

It’s the ultimate dream scenario and you can sign Lowry.. If you get him then is no need for Barrett and he can be dangled with picks for Beal or lavine, I know most disagree but I prefer lavine. Also I don’t think Knicks could fit Beal with kawhi and Lowry unless Lowry is taking a serious pay cut. Rj, Obi, knox, pelle and the European pg gets you to like 23 million. I think Beal is $34 million so Burks or bullock would have to sign and trade to wizards in that type of deal which is complicated. Or could knicks make the 2 first round picks for Washington then use those salaries as part of the deal 30 days later? This makes things very complicated.

Either way nice job by Knicks signing pelle and the European pg to non gurantees deals those can be very useful in trade scenarios.

Given this is a long shot I also interested in potentially trading for Sexton at the right price. Trae young matured quickly if Sexton can grow up he has all the talent you could want in a PG.

gets bounced in the first round you have to think the rumors will have to start.

Same with Portland and CJ/Lillard. Obviously Lillard would be amazing but CJ is probably far more likely to be dealt.

In comment 15279060 TommyWiseau said:

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see Kawhi leaving, he had his chance to come to the Knicks and seemed as if we were not even a consideration for him. Does the season we have change that? I doubt it. With that said, we may need to see if a "Star" is disgruntled and hop on the opportunity. I would love to keep RJ and watch him develop but he is not someone who I would refuse to trade of a star became available. I would love to bring Rose back as the backup point along with someone like Lonzo or Lowry. I actually would prefer Lonzo as he is much much younger and he is an improving player but I would be happy with Lowry. Aside from bringing back Rose, I could see them trying to resign two of Burks, Bullock and Noel.

No one was coming here that off season, do i think it is likely? absolutely not..

If they lose i give it a 15% chance lol.

I will say Kawhi's uncle is a knicks fan, lives in new york and has Kawhi's ear, i dont know if he has a relationship with Wes

do i wish they showed up a bit more in this series, of course, but im not upset at all.

Kawhi is the dream and the only guy id go all in for. I think there is a tiny chance he leaves if they lose. I mean i dont see how the clippers get significantly better. That said it seems he wanted to be in LA so he might just stick it out.

I like lowry and think he is realistic on a shorter reasonable deal. Knowing the NBA a guy like Derozen is still getting a pretty big deal, like at least 4/80 and im not giving him that.

Knicks should be in on any trade candidates, but i do feel like this offseason is more a stop gap. Sign a guy like lowry, hope RJ, Obi and IQ take solid steps and then see what happens with the draft where we have basically 3 firsts to use or trade.

Yes NY is more attractive than it used to be. But he has always had load management. I don't see him playing for Thibs who would run him into the ground.

after the game, DRose mentioned he wants to be back but the Knicks may "have big plans" that would prevent that. I think Leon Rose is definitely going to kick the tires on every disgruntled star possible. We'll see if he can land one. Kwahi is the better player but my dream would be Lillard, mainly because I really love to watch him play.

In comment 15279086 Heisenberg said:

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after the game, DRose mentioned he wants to be back but the Knicks may "have big plans" that would prevent that. I think Leon Rose is definitely going to kick the tires on every disgruntled star possible. We'll see if he can land one. Kwahi is the better player but my dream would be Lillard, mainly because I really love to watch him play.

I think they try and trade for a fuy before the draft and then go into tbe offseaaon with a star already on the roster

and have a plan to try to get a star. Doesnt usually work out. I guess we dont know what star could become available, but as of now i just dont really see us getting a star this offseason. We should just hope that guys like Lavine, beal, etc.. stay where they are so that they might at least test FA after next season.

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In comment 15279086 Heisenberg said: Quote: after the game, DRose mentioned he wants to be back but the Knicks may "have big plans" that would prevent that. I think Leon Rose is definitely going to kick the tires on every disgruntled star possible. We'll see if he can land one. Kwahi is the better player but my dream would be Lillard, mainly because I really love to watch him play. I think they try and trade for a fuy before the draft and then go into tbe offseaaon with a star already on the roster

Yep I'm not saying AD wanted to come here, and maybe he was always going to the Lakers, but if we traded for him before that draft I think that off season plays out a lot differently but I think we were too focused on landing 2 big FA's and didnt want to tie up the space . The Knicks should not shy away at all from the trade market before the draft and free agency this year. If we make some power moves I think the possibility of tying up Randle to a 4/100 mill.extension greatens.

I believe someone mentioned him earlier but there is a very good chance he gets moved this offseason. He is definitely someone to keep an eye on. Lillard and Leonard are pipe dreams.

This series may not "outweigh" what happened over the course of the season, however, you cannot put too much stock in a bizarro world COVID season that started in front of zero fans. Our guys got exposed and you cannot overpay the role players here. I can't speak to who will become available and I think Dame/Kawhi are not happening and will not even allow my brain to have such thoughts. Instead you have to focus on who is here and whether to retain them. My 2 cents:

Gone: Elfrid, Noel (will want to get paid), Frank (19 million FA hold LOL)

Cannot over pay: Burks, Bullock, Taj - i think they bring back bullock and let burks walk. Taj most likely back at low #

Should be back at midlevel: Rose

Extend option: Mitch (1.8 million, no brainer)

Lonzo is most likely FA match. This team needs a PG very badly and with his size he's a good fit for potential IQ backcourt pairing. Rest of the cap space should be used as they did last year - sparingly and with zero long term commitments.

that if they keep all their picks they should draft shooter after shooter. They were exposed badly on the perimeter. Need to draft guys who can drain 3s from day 1.

But I think it will be hard to match this season next year. The team punched above its weight this year, no doubt, but I would expect some mean reversion next year.

I'm not sold on Barrett at all. He's a hard worker and grinder but I just never saw any elite ability in his play. I consider him a good trade chip, not necessarily because of his ability or potential, just the fact that he's on his rookie deal. It's just the Knicks' luck that they got the 3rd pick in a 2 player draft. Some years, the 3rd pick gets you Doncic, Beal, Embiid, Tatum. Unfortunately, we got Barrett.

If the Knicks swing and miss on a star player again this offseason, I think the playoffs are a 50/50 proposition next year.

of the best things they could do right now is lock in Randle for the next 5 years. That will be through his age 32 season aka his prime, and give comfort to any other FA that they'll be playing with him moving forward if they sign on.

I agree with Justlurking. The Hawks series exposed the Knicks as noncompetitive at the playoff level. No big name player is coming here at this time. Try and get the best PG in free agency that we can, and draft shooters. Keep the powder dry as long as possible until there is a more realistic possibility of getting a star - or hope that someone we draft or have drafted turns into one. What Trae Young did should be an inspiration for IQ, for example. And I still see RJB improving a lot.

The Knicks need a big that can stretch the floor and defend
Their interior defense was exposed

The Knicks play the three as well as any team but they are killed in the paint

Young and the Hawks had no fear of coming down the middle
The other problem was on offense Randell was double and triple teamed as no one feared the Knicks centers

The Knicks need another point guard as Rose played great but he cannot play extended minutes

lastly the Knicks need another scoring threat preferably not a spot up shooter but someone who can create his own shots

As long as the Knicks do not run an set offense they will rely on players who can create their own shots

It would be great if all three players were premium players but at least two need to be

Lastly the Knicks should attempt to trade up into the top 5 in the draft , preferably top 3

The drop off after the top 5 is dramatic


They have the assets to do this and should be able to fill one of their positions of need

In comment 15279135 Jon in NYC said:

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of the best things they could do right now is lock in Randle for the next 5 years. That will be through his age 32 season aka his prime, and give comfort to any other FA that they'll be playing with him moving forward if they sign on.

I agree with this. Despite the poor series, Randle is still a plus player/person in the NBA and certainly worth 4/100 or thereabouts. He has a good chance of living up to or outperforming that level of contract if we can get another star here to open things up for him.

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But I think it will be hard to match this season next year. The team punched above its weight this year, no doubt, but I would expect some mean reversion next year. I'm not sold on Barrett at all. He's a hard worker and grinder but I just never saw any elite ability in his play. I consider him a good trade chip, not necessarily because of his ability or potential, just the fact that he's on his rookie deal. It's just the Knicks' luck that they got the 3rd pick in a 2 player draft. Some years, the 3rd pick gets you Doncic, Beal, Embiid, Tatum. Unfortunately, we got Barrett. If the Knicks swing and miss on a star player again this offseason, I think the playoffs are a 50/50 proposition next year.

So the Knicks are not going to improve the roster at all? they are not coming back with the same exact team..

If you want to be pessimistic you can, but id be shocked if they dont improve this team

In comment 15279138 Del Shofner said:

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I agree with Justlurking. The Hawks series exposed the Knicks as noncompetitive at the playoff level. No big name player is coming here at this time. Try and get the best PG in free agency that we can, and draft shooters. Keep the powder dry as long as possible until there is a more realistic possibility of getting a star - or hope that someone we draft or have drafted turns into one. What Trae Young did should be an inspiration for IQ, for example. And I still see RJB improving a lot.

Two things.

First: Lets not underestimate the Hawks. They're a really good team and I think will give the Sixers a lot of issues.

Also, there's just no way we're not attractive to FAs right now. After the fan showing out, a good young core, a good coach, huge media market, and now, more importantly, they just finished 4th in the East with basically a rag tag group of one year contracts and Julius Randle.

They'll definitely be an attractive destination.

I actually think there is a decent chance he bolts. They will move heaven and earth to keep him and he clearly wants to live in SoCal. But man that team is pretty locked in to that roster. No picks and capped out for the next few years. The only move they have is trading Paul George. But can you really improve that team doing so? They are paying Kennard, M Ibaka and Beverly close to 40 million next year...

I think he looks around. Warriors, Mavs, Miami and the Knicks. Wouldn't you? Or maybe he doesn't really care and just wants to live there. But I do think he needs a playmaker and would certainly seek that.

more I think about it, the more I think the Blazers are just going to blow it up assuming the Nuggets finish them off.

CJ and Dame aren't getting younger. Powell is going to leave this offseason. Covington is already 30 and he and Nurk will both be FAs after next year. Melo's probably gone.

There were already rumors of firing the coach, they still have all their picks.

It's just tough to see them getting better with this group.

He was terrific this year...little concerned about next year when the ball won’t be in his hands nearly as often as it was this year. His creativity and ability to distribute are huge assets of his. Will be interesting to see how that plays out as there will be a legit PG on the team next year

Just curious hoopshype lists him with one more year qualifying offer for like $8 million what does that mean? No know we aren’t giving him $8 million more curious about that means?

I anticipate Frank will sign with one of these 6 teams and play a prominent role off the bench, Greg is going to lose his mind:

Lakers
Clippers
Golden state
Milwaukee
Nets
Mavs

need to sign at least two top guys with flopping skills!

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Just curious hoopshype lists him with one more year qualifying offer for like $8 million what does that mean? No know we aren’t giving him $8 million more curious about that means? I anticipate Frank will sign with one of these 6 teams and play a prominent role off the bench, Greg is going to lose his mind: Lakers Clippers Golden state Milwaukee Nets Mavs

If they give him the qualifying offer he becomes restricted..

They can not extend the qualifying offer and he becomes an unrestricted free agent

After years of futility, the Knicks finally had a very good season, despite a poor showing against the Hawks in the playoffs.

My sense from the games I saw, and reading what others who know a lot more than I do, is that the Knicks need to be careful not to overpay for their players this offseason. They shouldn’t hesitate to let players go, including many of Noel, Burks, Bullock, Gibson, and Frank.

Despite his poor showing in the playoffs, Randle is likely to get a big deal, especially since he had a very good regular season. Barrett is also only 20, and there were some positive moments this year from Obi and Quickley. Rose and Mitchell should be retained.

I also agree that the Knicks need PG who can drive and dish, coupled with at least one more solid shooter. A good PG who can regularly breakdown the defense will also help provide better ball movement. Weren’t the Knicks fourth in three point shooting this season? The Hawks were also 1-14 from three last night at one point. A PG would really help Randle.

I don’t see Kawhi, Lillard, or any other star coming to NY at this time.

There is hope.

One of those blowouts that happens in the playoffs sometimes where the losing team let's go of the rope early and gets humiliated. Not saying Kawhi would come here, but maybe him leaving and going somewhere would create a domino effect that benefits us - either a good FA falls in our lap or a team trades us a first rounder or two to absorb money to fit Kawhi (Golden State, I'm looking at you).

We're in a position to get in on the action this summer, so we need as much action as possible.

after 20 plus years,you know em when you see em.

The Knicks will be probably be scared to death to lose him.Because their future draft picks are looking less and less attractive.Free Agency is the big game hunt that results in pheasant,quail,and wild turkey's stealing their guns and shooting back at the Knicks.

The trade route is also nothing but a lot of fantasy.

So with that said,maybe we should have been chanting MIA,instead of MVP.

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Despite his poor showing in the playoffs, Randle is likely to get a big deal, especially since he had a very good regular season. Barrett is also only 20, and there were some positive moments this year from Obi and Quickley. Rose and Mitchell should be retained.

I agree completely with this, and your other thoughts. Randle/RJ/IQ/Mitch/Obi/Rose should be kept (barring some blockbuster trade), and MAYBE Burks or Bullock if the price is reasonable, but not both. Goodbye to the rest.

I'd package the two firsts to move up (even it's just three or four spots) to get the best guard/wing I could, and draft a big with Detroit second rounder who can replace Taj/Noel - those guys are always around in the 30s.

but it came a long way in one year, even if it was mostly internal development. A year ago, we figured Randle was a goner after this season, RJ was likely to disappoint (relative to his draft status) and maybe Mitch could be a Capela/prime DeAndre type of difference maker. Beyond that it was just a bunch of mediocre guards and forwards whose skill sets overlapped. At least now we have four or five guys who can play.

The Knicks are fortunate in the Randle situation as the 4/100 extension is the most they can offer and really is not crippling the way a true 30% max can be. If Randle wants to bet on himself and wait until FA when he can get more, then the Knicks will have another year's evidence (including a non-pandemic year) to see where he is at. I wonder if we might end up somewhere in between (a 1 or 2 year extension to add some financial security for JR but still let him get the market one more time at 29 or 30).

is the feeling that the Knicks we saw during the regular season didn't show up. Randle and Barrett in particular. So there's a lot of "Randle is a #3" and "Let's package Barrett in a trade," but let's pause here: The regular season happened. We saw what we saw. These guys played a lot better against teams as good or better than the Hawks.

Benching Payton was the right move but it seemed to be very disruptive, for whatever reason. Maybe just because Rose wore down with the extra minutes and neither Burks nor Quickley is really a point guard.

They are nowhere near the upper tier of teams, they are still a rebuilding team that is ahead of schedule, but they shouldn't have been as bad as they looked the last three games. Clearly, though, they're going to have to add two elite players and some very talented role players to reach that upper tier.

I'm not sold on Mitchell Robinson, mostly because I haven't seen much development in his offensive game. He seems content to be what he is. What he is, well, that's pretty good, but probably not good enough to be a starter on a top team. He's still young, but he's a weird dude and he seems to think he's better than he is.

I have high hopes for Obi Toppin and Emanuel Quickley. Quickley seemed to wear down and looked like a rookie over the last month after being much more effective mid-season. Toppin is improving but needs a ton of off-season work.

I'm not optimistic that the Knicks have the draft assets to either draft significant upgrades (that would be a huge stroke of luck at around 20 overall, never mind 33) or to move up to the elite part of the draft. Package those picks with Barrett and/or Toppin and/or Robinson to get a star or a premium pick? Huge roll of the dice. May be necessary.

The value of the max right now is pretty good at $25 per year. I agree with above, wouldn’t be surprised if he tried to add on a 1 and 1. So he is locked in for 2 more years at 19 and 25 mil and opt out in year 3. He would then be 29 going into free agency. This would be great for Knicks because would give them cap flexibility for 2022 free agency and they can decide if they want to max him or not in 2023.

Anyone else interested in Sexton for knox and 2 firsts?

He really isn’t a PG, we need a true point guard

and look for a three-year deal. I wonder if that's what Mr. Rose was referencing last night ("bigger plans). I'd be conflicted about that price tag at this point in his career.

CP3. With the age of our current core- JR, RJ,Mitch, IQ and Obi we have to be looking at more than a 2-3 year window. Of course some of those guys may be gone but still no way in hell I wanna be stuck paying CP3 30-35 mill in 2 years.

but there are a lot of connections here. I don't get too caught up in long term - I'm not sure it exists anymore in the NBA given how short the player contracts are - but this is another year where he's banged up in the postseason.

I’m all in on Davion Mitchell. If we can package our two picks and a player, I’m down to move up. Not sure where he’ll go, but top 10 is likely.

In comment 15279308 bceagle05 said:

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and look for a three-year deal. I wonder if that's what Mr. Rose was referencing last night ("bigger plans). I'd be conflicted about that price tag at this point in his career.

I think Rose would know somewhat of what the Knicks plans are because of how close he is to Wes...

He probably doesnt know specific players but i am sure he has tlaked to Wes about the future for him with new york..

who would not be a bad target in FA.

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who would not be a bad target in FA.

Ooh, good find. I'd love Norm too.

Lowry and Powell would be a solid off season at least for starters

In comment 15279320 bceagle05 said:

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who would not be a bad target in FA.

Where did you see that? I went through his last two articles and didn't see that posted.

In comment 15279328 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 15279320 bceagle05 said: Quote: who would not be a bad target in FA. Where did you see that? I went through his last two articles and didn't see that posted.

It was a few days ago. In typical Berman fashion he linked an article from before the deadline about Powell that doesn't mention it at all.
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In comment 15279328 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 15279320 bceagle05 said: Quote: who would not be a bad target in FA. Where did you see that? I went through his last two articles and didn't see that posted. It was a few days ago. In typical Berman fashion he linked an article from before the deadline about Powell that doesn't mention it at all. Link - ( New Window )

Lmao thanks. Berman has some good scoops but is generally a dumbass.

hasnt even started yet and we are talking about a ton of different scenarios

Beasley got a 4 year 60 mil deal last year. I bet we'd need to go 4/80ish for Norm. Maybe a little less.

We have a big advantage in being one of the few teams with cap room, so not many bidders.

In comment 15279342 nygiants16 said:

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hasnt even started yet and we are talking about a ton of different scenarios

Definitely. A lot of cap room but a lot of holes. Need basically an entire backcourt and most of a bench.

The wild card will be the trade market. Between the 5 picks over the next 3 years, the young players and the cap room, if anyone wants a trade the Knicks should be right there.

is a great example of someone who you would want to pay in FA. In his prime, has always been a role player but with great efficiency and you'd like to see what he could do in a featured role. Could really blossom into a 23-25 ppg scorer if he took more than 13 shots per game. CJ McCollum for example takes 19.

The one thing he doesn't do that we'd still need is a true play maker. Need to pair his addition with a true PG.