Was hoping this would not happen so quickly but it has and now we see hoe thr Knicks take that next step. Plenty of ways for this team to go and i am sure we will analyze and throw out ideas and over analyze every single option.
First off i am not taking 5 games in the playoffs over what we saw for 72 games. Does it suck? absolutrly but that dorsnt change my opinion on Randle or Rj or Thibs.
Randle is a building block, is he a number 1? no but we never thought he was, he is a 2 or in a perfect world a 3, same with Rj, Rj had his ups and downs and i was definitely one to always call out his downs but he improved a lot this season and gave you more hope for him than after his rookie deal..
As for the Vets on this team, Rose should be back as the back up point. He is clearly not a stsrter and we saw he got burnt out. Id like to see Burks back on the right deal, Bullock if he is coming back as a back up on a 1 or 2 year deal..
Taj i would love back as the 3rd center, Noel it depends on Mitch, i dont think you bring back both..
For the offseason there are a number of scenarios we habe already talkrd about
Lowry and Derozan, while trading fkr a star was mentioned by Jon in NYC..The lerfect way to do this is Lowry and derozan taking 2 year deals to play with Randle and thr star whoever it is..
Kawhi and trade for a star, this is a scenario that comes into play if Clippers lose game 6, Kawhi comes Knicks most likely will have a deal lined up for his running mate moving Randle the 3rd option..
We have seen Bradley Beal already stokr the flames, hopefully some guys decide it is time to move on...
The one thing he doesn't do that we'd still need is a true play maker. Need to pair his addition with a true PG.
He'd fit very nicely next to Lonzo. Norm is undersized for a 2 so that would allow Lonzo to defend bigger guards.
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is a great example of someone who you would want to pay in FA. In his prime, has always been a role player but with great efficiency and you'd like to see what he could do in a featured role. Could really blossom into a 23-25 ppg scorer if he took more than 13 shots per game. CJ McCollum for example takes 19.
The one thing he doesn't do that we'd still need is a true play maker. Need to pair his addition with a true PG.
He'd fit very nicely next to Lonzo. Norm is undersized for a 2 so that would allow Lonzo to defend bigger guards.
He's short, but he has a 6'11 wingspan and is strong. He's actually been playing largely SF for both the Blazers and Raptors.
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Fournier looked terrible with Boston every time I saw him, but that might’ve been the after affects of COVID. Apparently he really struggled with it.
you get length and versatility in both of those as starting guards- and age on their side vs. the dinosaurs.
the knicks trade assets outside of the picks are still questionable. there is a reason a 20yr old 3rd overall pick is even deemed available by fans, and Toppin couldnt crack a lineup that had no depth. knox they already castrated- so its the picks mostly
The good news is that there are easily close to a dozen ways that the Knick should be stronger next year, including more experience for Quickley and Toppin, an add of a 2 if not a one, a better starting PG, better heathy depth at C, at least some help out of the draft picks, Barrett continuing to progress, and way less necessary PT for Randle and Rose. Get a starting PG, and Rose becomes a wonderful--and well-rested--sixth man at pg. Which, of course is where he bleongs.
Btw, in terms of the regular season, if you recall back to the first two months, we lost a number of very close games in a short period of time. The March/April Knicks would have won a number of those, adding to their regular season record.
you get length and versatility in both of those as starting guards- and age on their side vs. the dinosaurs.
the knicks trade assets outside of the picks are still questionable. there is a reason a 20yr old 3rd overall pick is even deemed available by fans, and Toppin couldnt crack a lineup that had no depth. knox they already castrated- so its the picks mostly
Toppin didn't crack the lineup because Randle let the league in minutes per game. It's just Thibs' style. He played very well in limited minutes later in the season and during the playoffs.
Barrett is deemed available by fans in trades for a superstar. Either you're a 20 year old burgeoning superstar like Zion or fans are willing to move you for one. It's not a knock on him.
There aren't too many teams that are in position to land a star via trade like the Knicks are given the combination of picks, cap space and young players. There are some but the list is a short one.
I think the Knicks have the 3rd best assets in the NBA, Warriors first with Wiseman and Twolves pick but they have cap issues..
Okc for the simple fact they just have a ton of picks..
for the Knicks they have young players, drsft picks and cap space
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A quality pg.
A big, good-shooting 3.
A stretch 4-5 who can score/shoot.
We should be able to get just about all of that, even if we don't get a true #1. Having 5 quality starters and talented depth from pg to center would make this a much better team. It's achievable. Compare a team with 5 quality starters to what we did most of the year, with Payton starting, and no shooting capability at the 5 whatsoever, either first or second team.
I agree with what you are saying but I also feel if the Knicks had healthy centers then Capella would have been forced to respect the lob a lot more which would have cut into his ability to clog the lane. Also, Mitch is a better rebounder (in total stats and on a per 40 minute rate basis) which would have help prevent some of the Hawk's offensive rebounds which killed the Knicks.
A quality pg.
A big, good-shooting 3.
A stretch 4-5 who can score/shoot.
We should be able to get just about all of that, even if we don't get a true #1. Having 5 quality starters and talented depth from pg to center would make this a much better team. It's achievable. Compare a team with 5 quality starters to what we did most of the year, with Payton starting, and no shooting capability at the 5 whatsoever, either first or second team.
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In the modern NBA you need a stretch 5. By not having a 5 who could shoot we couldn’t get Capella away from the basket. This clogged all drives and made are pick and roll ineffective. I would love a PG but would like a 5 who could shoot is what really killed us.
I agree with what you are saying but I also feel if the Knicks had healthy centers then Capella would have been forced to respect the lob a lot more which would have cut into his ability to clog the lane. Also, Mitch is a better rebounder (in total stats and on a per 40 minute rate basis) which would have help prevent some of the Hawk's offensive rebounds which killed the Knicks.
Had Mitch gotten hurt a day or two earlier it's entirely possible that the Knicks would've gotten aggressive with Drummond on a big one year deal. As much as I don't like Drummond's game, I do believe he would've made a pretty big difference in the series given how badly Capela abused the Knicks in the paint and on the glass.
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Bit of an odd fit with Randle, for sure. I do wonder if Collins could fit next to Randle as a starting SF.
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If he doesn't want him we can take him.
Bit of an odd fit with Randle, for sure. I do wonder if Collins could fit next to Randle as a starting SF.
He's not really a SF. He can't really create for himself and he's not a good perimeter defender. You'd basically be paying him big money to play out of position and he reportedly wants BIG money.
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basically said no guarantee and players get older and lose value and that even Joe Montana played for another team...
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If he doesn't want him we can take him.
This is simply preparing the fan base for the possibility that Steph walks next offseason since he’s probably refusing any extensions that have been offered.
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"Light years" ahead of the rest of the league. One of the biggest douche owners out there.
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basically said no guarantee and players get older and lose value and that even Joe Montana played for another team...
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If he doesn't want him we can take him.
This is simply preparing the fan base for the possibility that Steph walks next offseason since he’s probably refusing any extensions that have been offered.
There should be no issue, you offer curry the max and you dont think twice
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I can't envision Steph in another uni. He should be a Warrior for life. He means too much to the Bay & that fan base. Also, Lacob is a jackass.
what is his max?
If the Knicks can get JR to sign a max extension this summer, it would be for just over 4/100, not even close to his max number as a FA next year (something like 4/140).
I do wonder if there is any appetite to decline JR's guarantee for next year and get creative on a new contract (i.e., pay him more than 20m but on a declining number or something).
*Knicks fans
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basically said no guarantee and players get older and lose value and that even Joe Montana played for another team...
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I can't envision Steph in another uni. He should be a Warrior for life. He means too much to the Bay & that fan base. Also, Lacob is a jackass.
This is nonsense. Steph should have been a Knick from the beginning. One freakin pick, damn it! And he at the time wanted to be a Knick.
My mini rant aside, I compare this to when LeBron left Cleveland the first time. People, Cleveland fans in particular acted like it was their birth right to keep him forever, Why? They got to enjoy him and reap the benefits of his greatness for many years, This is a business. Steph doesn’t owe Warrior fans anything. Or “the Bay Area” for that matter. If he or the team decide it’s best to move on, life will go on. Great players change teams all the time. Nobody on the planet will feel bad for the Bay Area If Steph leaves. They’ve been able to live a fan life that most of us on this planet never have and never will with their basketball team. So I’m sorry if I’m not shedding tears at Steph leaving. Those poor fans will somehow get through it.
Lack of a stretch 5 was a big problem but we also had other issues. Namely, so many one dimensional (or largely worthless) players on offense. Bullock looked so uncomfortable whenever he had to dribble; he can really only catch and shoot or shoot after 1-2 dribbles at most. Elf can't shoot at all and Frank can only shoot but do nothing else. Both centers basically are a black hole on offense. I love Rose and his shot was good during the series but nobody is scared of him shooting from 3. The only multidimensional players we had on offense are Randle, RJ, Rose (although again he's not a great 3 shooter), Burks, and IQ. Obi showed flashes of being able to get to the bucket which was a great surprise, but who knows what he really is.
We cannot go into next season with so many guys who are either 0s on offense or can do only 1 thing.
I'm still glad Eli only was a Giant.
There is no reasonnfor Lillard to stay there except for blind loyalty, 4 of the last 5 years lost first round, capped out, no 1st round pick this year..
signed long term so who knows if Portland would even honor a trade request
The year after is the big FA class.
IMO they keep their cap room and sign a bunch of one year deals again.
Move up in the draft for a PG.
Resign Taj,Rose,and Bullock.
Next year's trade deadline could be crazy with as many big names up for FA.
Please come to NY Dame. Please.
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Please come to NY Dame. Please.
He may ask out, question is will Portland trade him and what would they want?
Do they want win now players or do they conpletely blow it up and want young players and draft picks?
Lack of a stretch 5 was a big problem but we also had other issues. Namely, so many one dimensional (or largely worthless) players on offense. Bullock looked so uncomfortable whenever he had to dribble; he can really only catch and shoot or shoot after 1-2 dribbles at most. Elf can't shoot at all and Frank can only shoot but do nothing else. Both centers basically are a black hole on offense. I love Rose and his shot was good during the series but nobody is scared of him shooting from 3. The only multidimensional players we had on offense are Randle, RJ, Rose (although again he's not a great 3 shooter), Burks, and IQ. Obi showed flashes of being able to get to the bucket which was a great surprise, but who knows what he really is.
We cannot go into next season with so many guys who are either 0s on offense or can do only 1 thing.
Christian Wood would have been that stretch 5 that many on here wanted in the offseason (I know he got injured this year). He was on fire when healthy and hitting 3's at a good %.