NFT: Knicks offseason chat

Would you give up our assets to play with Randle/Dame and cap space?

It's better than we've been. But a lot less exciting to root for than building through the draft.

Ideally, you'd have a lineup like this:

Dame
Bullock
Kawhi
Randle
Noel

Rose as your sixth man

Is that a championship team?

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In comment 15280332 Leg of Theismann said: Quote: The one that feels most realistic for both sides would be: Knicks get: -Damian Lillard Blazers get: -Mavs 2021 & 2023 1st round picks -Knicks 2021 & 2024 1st round pick -Mitchell Robinson -Immanuel Quickley -Frank Ntilikina -Kevin Knox I hate having to give up Quick, he was one of 3 untouchables I’d listed earlier this year (Quick, Barrett, Randle) but when we’re talking about a top 10 superstar talent you KNOW a team is going to push for an “untouchable” guy lol. Quick just makes most sense as the guy the Blazers would push to get for Dame. I'm with Enzo. I don't think that does it for Port. Frank is a RFA. Knox is trash. If they ask for RJ/Obi/IQ/Mitch and 4 firsts, are you down?

for me it would be rj or IQ..

obi, mitch, 21 1st, 22 1st, 23 dallas 1st and 24 1st

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Would you give up our assets to play with Randle/Dame and cap space? It's better than we've been. But a lot less exciting to root for than building through the draft. Ideally, you'd have a lineup like this: Dame Bullock Kawhi Randle Noel Rose as your sixth man Is that a championship team?

They would want the farm, but I'm not sure if I'd give up the farm.

The market for Dame is probably not as robust as one would think. Are the Celtics going to give up Jaylen Brown? Are the Heat going to give up Jimmy or Bam?

If no, who is beating RJ, Obi and picks?

Obi and Mitch would be the most expendable from the deal for POR.

So take off Obi or Mitch or both. You trading IQ/RJ and four firsts?

These players are hitting off-balance 3’s and creating in traffic, our players couldn’t hit 40% of their open 3’s and dribbled like they were in a phone booth.

We need better players, like a whole team of them. Rose is too old, Randle was exposed, RJ may never get there.

It’s unfortunate we missed so many draft picks but we need to keep accumulating. Trading half the roster and all your picks for a star in his prime who will soon to be on the decline aren’t the answer. Hit on your picks and grab more players on the ascent should be the way.

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Obi and Mitch would be the most expendable from the deal for POR. So take off Obi or Mitch or both. You trading IQ/RJ and four firsts?

If they insist on both rj and iq i try to only trade 3 1sts..

I think with a guy like Dame Rj because less valuable so inwould rather deal Rj than IQ

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Obi and Mitch would be the most expendable from the deal for POR. So take off Obi or Mitch or both. You trading IQ/RJ and four firsts?

Yeah I'd do that. Love IQ but he's ultimately a bench guy. Losing RJ sucks but you have to give something of value if you're getting a top 10 player.

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These players are hitting off-balance 3’s and creating in traffic, our players couldn’t hit 40% of their open 3’s and dribbled like they were in a phone booth. We need better players, like a whole team of them. Rose is too old, Randle was exposed, RJ may never get there. It’s unfortunate we missed so many draft picks but we need to keep accumulating. Trading half the roster and all your picks for a star in his prime who will soon to be on the decline aren’t the answer. Hit on your picks and grab more players on the ascent should be the way.

The Knicks were 4th in the NBA in 3 point field goal percentage..

Rj and Randle both shot over 40% from 3..

The western conference is a different style, they play ablot more wide open and a more finesse game

Do you mean as of today or going forward? It seems like he has great upside given what he showed as a rookie. He can't be a good starter someday?

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Do you mean as of today or going forward? It seems like he has great upside given what he showed as a rookie. He can't be a good starter someday?

Both. He's 6'3, not an explosive athlete and not a distributor. I am very skeptical that he can be a starter at PG or SG in the league.

That's not to say he's a bad player, he's not. He'd be an awesome first guard off the bench. Think Lou Williams, Jordan Clarkson, etc.

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Do you mean as of today or going forward? It seems like he has great upside given what he showed as a rookie. He can't be a good starter someday?

Saying he is a bench guy is not saying he wont be valuable, he can change games with his shot BUT..

he is not a good enough distributor to be a starting point and i think he is to small to br a 2 guard..

I think he will be valuable just not a starter

posted it earlier, but if they do get Dame, and we end up moving RJ, assuming no Kawhi, I'd 100% make a move for Derozan. A Lillard/Derozan/Randle top 3 is probably the second best trio in the league. Three guys that are hungry for a title and compliment each other's skills well. You probably also have enough money to bring on someone like Norm Powell as well, or bring back Burks and Bullock and Rose.

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posted it earlier, but if they do get Dame, and we end up moving RJ, assuming no Kawhi, I'd 100% make a move for Derozan. A Lillard/Derozan/Randle top 3 is probably the second best trio in the league. Three guys that are hungry for a title and compliment each other's skills well. You probably also have enough money to bring on someone like Norm Powell as well, or bring back Burks and Bullock and Rose.

Yeah you go with thay Trio, yiu most like have 30 million to fill out the rest of the roster and still have a pretty deep team

with a new starting point

There is talk around about the Knicks looking at Kendrick Nunn for pg. He would probably match up well with Derozan without costing the entire bank. He would cost though, as a rfa coming out of a good season.
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In comment 15280332 Leg of Theismann said: Quote: The one that feels most realistic for both sides would be: Knicks get: -Damian Lillard Blazers get: -Mavs 2021 & 2023 1st round picks -Knicks 2021 & 2024 1st round pick -Mitchell Robinson -Immanuel Quickley -Frank Ntilikina -Kevin Knox I hate having to give up Quick, he was one of 3 untouchables I’d listed earlier this year (Quick, Barrett, Randle) but when we’re talking about a top 10 superstar talent you KNOW a team is going to push for an “untouchable” guy lol. Quick just makes most sense as the guy the Blazers would push to get for Dame. I'm with Enzo. I don't think that does it for Port. Frank is a RFA. Knox is trash. If they ask for RJ/Obi/IQ/Mitch and 4 firsts, are you down?

My bad I don’t know why I thought we could trade an RFA.

Knox is indeed trash but think of him as the Kurucs in the Harden deal. Kurucs was the 4th best player given up and is probably even w/ Knox in terms of current ability, and if anything I think Knox being a recent 9th overall pick he technically has more of a potential upside (not that i think he’s going to ever fulfill that upside but I’m just saying some might argue he still has a little upside— it’s not meant to be much value I mean he’s the lowest value piece in my hypothetical trade but it’s almost like the equivalent of a 2nd round pick I guess).

The main pieces of value in the above are the 4 FRPs + Mitch + IQ.

I think the only way this trade would work is if there was something similar to the Harden situation where Dame publicly said he wanted out and he wanted to go to NY. I don’t want to get into a bidding war w/ other teams and give away everybody but I would love to do a deal IF Dame all of a sudden specifically wants to come be the savior of NY Basketball (funny I will never consider the Nets to count as “NY Basketball” lol).

interest in Nunn. He's not a distributor, he's 26 despite only two years in the league. Has an iffy personal past. For a similar amount of money I'd much rather have Lonzo.

Dame has, what— 4 years $180M left. That’s a huge number and definitely factors into any deal. In these deals I think we have to consider the cap number. $45M /yr is a lot different than $35M for Instance. And I’m not walking back the value for Dame I’ve previously stated in this thread, I’m saying this because so many seem to be saying “Blazers would never do that, we’d have to give up literally everybody but Randle.” I just don’t think that’s necessarily the case.

But it’s really just gonna come down to what Dame wants. The Blazers don’t want to part ways, so in that case we’d have to throw a lot at them to pull Dame away from them. But if Dame starts listening to everyone saying “get out while you can, you’ll never win a championship in Portland, no one wants to go there” and suddenly he wants out, then we have some leverage (as do other teams— but again, Dame’s massive cap number is factored into the ultimate trade value, which no doubt will still be a blockbuster value regardless just not necessarily a completely “future-mortgaging” price so to speak).

when you already have your number 1, Knicks dont..

Knicks at the very least need to upgrade their PG and SG position..

Preferrably with a star, but i think the star comes via trade and Rj goes out

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when you already have your number 1, Knicks dont.. Knicks at the very least need to upgrade their PG and SG position.. Preferrably with a star, but i think the star comes via trade and Rj goes out

16– I’m intrigued by the fact you’re sounding more and more like you’re looking to trade RJ (as opposed to reluctantly giving him up). Sounds like you’re almost saying you don’t think his style of play and/or his attributes are conducive to winning a title (if I’m reading between the lines correctly which I may not be). Can you expand on that little more? I think the common thought would be “he’s 20, he’s a 3rd overall pick, seems to have a really high ceiling.” But it’s sounding like you’re saying if we’re committing to Randle we should move RJ because he doesn’t fit well, and upgrade our PG/SG to a more conducive fit for Randle. Just curious what your thoughts are.

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In comment 15280592 nygiants16 said: Quote: when you already have your number 1, Knicks dont.. Knicks at the very least need to upgrade their PG and SG position.. Preferrably with a star, but i think the star comes via trade and Rj goes out 16– I’m intrigued by the fact you’re sounding more and more like you’re looking to trade RJ (as opposed to reluctantly giving him up). Sounds like you’re almost saying you don’t think his style of play and/or his attributes are conducive to winning a title (if I’m reading between the lines correctly which I may not be). Can you expand on that little more? I think the common thought would be “he’s 20, he’s a 3rd overall pick, seems to have a really high ceiling.” But it’s sounding like you’re saying if we’re committing to Randle we should move RJ because he doesn’t fit well, and upgrade our PG/SG to a more conducive fit for Randle. Just curious what your thoughts are.

I havnt been fully on Rj from the beginning, He can have games where he can carry the offense but a lot of nights he is so off and yes he is only 20 and he improved his 3pt shot..

BUT i dont think he fits very well with a star player, he needs the ball in his hands and it takes him a little bit to get into a rhythm, if he doesnt get his touches he is basically useless..

I would like to keep Rj, but if i have a chance to get a star i wont think twice, i just dont think he is a great fit as a 3rd piece because he needs the ball to be effective and when your not one of the first 2 options hard for you to be effective..

in the playoffs and Rj became useless, he just wasnt effective

Fitting as a #2 or #3 option? The thoughts your expressing about RJ are somewhat similar to thoughts i’ve had about Randle. He’s clearly not a possibility as a #1 option on a contender, but this ball-stopping ISO hero ball shit we saw in the playoffs would be horrible if we have 1 or 2 guys who are better options than him. I mean it’s horrible to begin with, but even worse if he’s not working well with another star or 2 and simply “taking his turn” on certain possessions. I mean it’s especially bad because he’s not a mid range assassin like Kobe or like we’ve seen Kawhi at times , yet he seems to try to play like he is oftentimes. Watching him in the playoffs was like Melo-lite— it was probably the least effective offensive approach ive seen in the playoffs from any one player so far this year.

I’m not even bashing Melo (okay maybe just a little bit). Melo was 10x the offensive talent that Randle is, and don’t get me wrong Randle did tremendous things to improve his shot this year and that’s why he put up numbers like he did, but in the playoffs when push came to shove his shot was not nearly good enough to make up for the fact he simply does not have the talent to create shots out of nothing that the GOATs have.

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Fitting as a #2 or #3 option? The thoughts your expressing about RJ are somewhat similar to thoughts i’ve had about Randle. He’s clearly not a possibility as a #1 option on a contender, but this ball-stopping ISO hero ball shit we saw in the playoffs would be horrible if we have 1 or 2 guys who are better options than him. I mean it’s horrible to begin with, but even worse if he’s not working well with another star or 2 and simply “taking his turn” on certain possessions. I mean it’s especially bad because he’s not a mid range assassin like Kobe or like we’ve seen Kawhi at times , yet he seems to try to play like he is oftentimes. Watching him in the playoffs was like Melo-lite— it was probably the least effective offensive approach ive seen in the playoffs from any one player so far this year.

I think Randle will be fine off the ball and there will be times in games he can be ball dominant and the other guy is off the ball..

You cant have 3 of those guys..

Randle is so ball dominant because the team has no point guard, during the season he did let Rose run the offense and played off the ball..

I think he will be fine with another guy because he can shoot the 3, he can run the offense, he shoot the midrange, he can post up, he can face up, he can create for others..

Rj can shoot the 3 and drive to the hoop, he can dish when he wants to, he has no midrange game whatsoever..

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I’m not even bashing Melo (okay maybe just a little bit). Melo was 10x the offensive talent that Randle is, and don’t get me wrong Randle did tremendous things to improve his shot this year and that’s why he put up numbers like he did, but in the playoffs when push came to shove his shot was not nearly good enough to make up for the fact he simply does not have the talent to create shots out of nothing that the GOATs have.

The problem for Randle in the offense, he had to do everything, he had to create everything, that is why point guard is their biggest need..

Everything was so hard, same shit happened to Melo here

nkt a big fan of Rjs game

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In comment 15280529 widmerseyebrow said: Quote: Do you mean as of today or going forward? It seems like he has great upside given what he showed as a rookie. He can't be a good starter someday? Saying he is a bench guy is not saying he wont be valuable, he can change games with his shot BUT.. he is not a good enough distributor to be a starting point and i think he is to small to br a 2 guard.. I think he will be valuable just not a starter

Said it about a month back I see UQ's ceiling as a Vinnie the microwave Johnson type guy. Instant offense off the bench who can play as much as 25-30 minutes on a given night depending how hot he is.

if the opportunity presents itself for all the reasons above. If he stays, great. He's a hard worker and will continue to work on his game, but he should not hold up a potential blockbuster.

so if they dont hire Jason Kidd all hell will break loosr, if they do, he is staying

Middleton of course comes up small, as soon as the competition raises in the playoffs Middleton plays terribly..

Harden leaves early with a hammy and they get smoked anyway.

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Harden leaves early with a hammy and they get smoked anyway.

Damn. That game was something else. I picked the Nets to win and thought the amount of “Bucks will beat the Nets” talk was ridiculous. But I did not expect that with Harden out 43 seconds into the game the Nets would roll like that. Super impressive showing by everyone on that team. For the amount that the Knicks were calling themselves the “big 15” in sort of tongue in cheek fashion, the Nets really are a deep team that plays together and plays hard.

My thought on the Nets/Bucks series was more talent will always win out in the playoffs, save for a few factors like: 1) injuries , 2) a wide gap in playoff experience, or 3) the more skilled team choking in the big moment or the less skilled team rising to the occasion. Nets big 3 certainly has certainly played deep into the playoffs before and/or won championships and they’ve all made clutch shots at various points in their careers, so the one thing that could stop them is injuries. But then Harden goes out and the whole team rises to the occasion and takes care of business. The non-big-3 for Brooklyn was way better than the non-big-3 for the Bucks, and by a wide margin— I wouldn’t have expected that.

A bit odd that the Bucks didn’t challenge the Nets in the paint more, but honestly Giannis didn’t have as easy of a time as I expected driving to the basket.

I think people missed in looking at this series based on the regular season games was this: yeah the Nets couldn’t stop the Giannis in the regular season, but honestly who wants to try to stop Giannis in a regular season game? The size and length coming down hill at you and you wanna step in front of that in a regular season game? But now that the playoffs start of course the Nets are gonna step up and try to stop Giannis with everything they physically can muster. And the things is Durant and Blake are not known as incredible defensive forces, but both of them can defend well when they want to /need to and IMO they actually match up better with Giannis than most guys do simply because they’re also physically unicorns (even Blake still is in his old age) and hence I think are physically capable of keeping up with Giannis’s size and speed. Giannis is not gonna have easy 40 point games in this series like he had in the regular season against the Nets.

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In comment 15280616 Leg of Theismann said: Quote: I’m not even bashing Melo (okay maybe just a little bit). Melo was 10x the offensive talent that Randle is, and don’t get me wrong Randle did tremendous things to improve his shot this year and that’s why he put up numbers like he did, but in the playoffs when push came to shove his shot was not nearly good enough to make up for the fact he simply does not have the talent to create shots out of nothing that the GOATs have. The problem for Randle in the offense, he had to do everything, he had to create everything, that is why point guard is their biggest need.. Everything was so hard, same shit happened to Melo here

All good points you’ve made.

Dame to me fills so many of our main needs in one guy: 1) a true PG. 2) an elite scorer to take pressure off of Randle and RJ. 3) a superstar whose presence alone attracts other stars and role players to want to come here. I think we should start thinking of what we’d be willing to give up to fulfill all of those needs in one guy.

Then again it does sound more and more like Dame is willing to work it out with Portland. And he doesn’t seem like the type of guy to change his mind every 2 weeks.

That if the Nets roll through the playoffs and win the title, these other superstars are gonna have to be thinking in terms of “how are we gonna NOT get shut of winning titles for the next 5 years?” Like honestly Dame has only a few years left in his real prime. There is no way he’s building a team in freaking Portland that is going to be able to compete for title. He’s gonna need to team up with one of THE guys and Kawhi seems like the perfect fit for him (regardless of whether that’s here in NY or somewhere else I just think those 2 guys together with a solid team and other legit weapon(s) around them poses a massive problem for the rest of the NBA).

I don’t see more people talking about Lowry to the Knicks. Obviously way more realistic than Dame, but I know it’s not as exciting of a name. I believe I heard he’s only looking for 2 years 50 mill which honestly isn’t that bad and I think it’s a perfect length of time. I say go Lowry and Rose at PG the next 2 years while we either develop a young PG who we draft or wait for a young star PG to sign. I don’t understand why so many are talking about Ball or Nunn or Shroder. I just don’t see Ball being a championship caliber PG at all, especially because he’s gonna cost like $25M /yr (I think SOME team is gonna offer him that even if he’s only truly worth 15-20M) and we’d have to lock him up for a longer period of time... and be stuck with Ball as the guy we hope to win a title with at PG? Pass. Same goes for Shroder I don’t feel he makes his teammates better. And I just feel disappointment is written all over Ball.

I don’t see any FA PG I want this year so Lowry and Rose bridges us the next 2 years while we find the PG of the future we really like. Both are playoff-winning and Championship caliber PGs. In the playoffs I want those 2 dudes facilitating our offense and calming everyone down while Randle is wildly jumping with no plan and throwing the ball away and throwing his hands in air afterward. Rose can’t be that guy for 38 min 82 games + playoffs.

If we can’t get Kawhi i like the idea of signing Derozan and then somehow acquiring Beal or LaVine by trading RJ and Mitch and picks. Beal and LaVine are both sure bets and guaranteed to be money well spent for years to come. I prefer LaVine but either one would be ill.

If we trade Mitch I’d also try to get Howard on a one year deal too simply for his rebounding. He and Boban appear to be the best rebounders of the centers on the FA list. Seems like he’d want to come once we’re clearly a championship contender.

Lowry
LaVine
Kawhi/Derozan
Randle
Howard

Rose
Vildoza
IQ
Bullock
Burks
Obi
Taj
Another vet
#21 pick
#32 pick

(This is assuming one of the picks we trade for LaVine is the #19 pick).

I’d like to keep IQ and Obi if possible. Mitch I think can be dealt while he still has decent value simply because the best ability is availability and already can see he’s never gonna have that for a full season— you do need to play a full season to win a championship.

Duncan Robinson wouldn’t hurt to take a look at as well if we could hope to still afford him after all these moves. Great shooter and has great playoff experience. Let’s bring in guys who have been there done that in the playoffs. We now know how important that is after this series vs the Hawks.

I think the general plan wrt to the starters is along the lines of what Jon in NYC has already mentioned a couple times... Championship.

Is almost a full 2 years younger than Beal. I guess in terms of ability most people would say Beal is slightly better right now overall but I just prefer LaVine’s game for some reason and I think he’ll be better than Beal 2 years from now. Smoother game, more efficient than Beal, a more complete 3-level scorer, and he’s underrated as a defender and gotten better defensively every year — i’d even say is better than Beal at this point in that category.

Rooting hard for the Mavs this afternoon, Zinger & all. I just hate the Clips.

I have no feel for Hawks 76ers. If Embiid was 100%, I'd go Philly in 5, but he's a complete wildcard.

I love the Knicks future going forward. This was by far my favorite team dating back to the Sprewell/Houston days, and there is a great foundation to build from here to keep this team competitive for years to come. They have a ton of assets, and it will be very interesting to watch how Rose and company navigate to continue building upon this season.

I am most intrigued by how they approach the Randle situation. Randle had an amazing year, this team would not have sniffed the playoffs if he hadn't made the leap that he did this year. Going into the postseason, and after watching the first couple of games in the series, I had thought what this team needed was a Lonzo Ball type of PG. More of an off the ball, defense first type that can hit the open shot and get guys the ball in their spots when Randle isn't playing the primary ball handler role. After watching the series, I think they really need a true lead guard. Randle just can't be your primary ball handler when the games get more intense, and they can't move forward placing all of that responsibility on him. It's weird because RJ Barrett should be able to alleviate some of those responsibilities, but Randle always seems very reluctant to relinquish that role to him. As has been mentioned, RJ and Randle are not a great fit together. I have thought all year long that Barrett looked his best when he was on the floor without Julius. His strengths are minimized when he is relegated to just standing in the corner waiting to take a 3, he did an excellent job in that role during the season, but there is more to his game than that.

Still, I think the smart move is to offer Randle the max. He is too good of an asset to not at least make the offer rather than letting him play out next season and potentially lose him for nothing after that as a free agent. You have to lock him up to at least retain control of the asset whether the plan is to continue to build around him, or to package him in a deal for a bigger star. The most they can offer him this summer is 4 years $106 million, which is a steal if he continues to play like he did this season, and still a reasonable contract if they see some regression. Does Randle take that deal though? If he waits the additional year then his max contract goes up significantly to $35 mil per year. He can gamble on himself and make a heck of a lot more money.

All that said, and I know it isn't going to be a popular opinion, I would not be opposed to seeing Randle moved in a deal for a star. If Bradley Beal or Dame Lillard or some other star becomes available, I am completely fine with them including Randle in a trade. A package for a player of that caliber would have to include Randle or Barrett. I can't see anyway the conversation starts with anyone on the roster other than those two. That being the case, I'm trading Randle for a few reasons:

1. Randle's trade value is probably higher, so you don't have to completely empty the war chest to get a deal done. Randle, Knox, and a draft pick or 2 probably gets it done. With Barrett I think you are looking more at a trade similar to what the Nets gave up for Harden. Barrett, Robinson (or Toppin), Knox, and 4 draft picks type of deal.

2. I really liked what I saw out of Obi Toppin in the postseason. I know it was a small sample size, but we also saw signs of his improvement over the last 6 weeks or so of the season. I think there is a good player there, and unfortunately there will just never be enough minutes available behind Randle.

3. And this is the biggest one for me, I think Barrett will be a better fit than Randle as the second or (more likely) third fiddle on a team going forward. Randle was at his best this year because he was given the keys to the offense. Randle needs the ball in his hands to be effective. His style of play was frustrating to watch last season, and it was frustrating to watch in the postseason, and I don't know if a star player is going to want to come here to watch Julius Randle pound the ball for 18 seconds per possession.

There are a lot of different ways this team can go in the future, but I am fully confident in the front office (how crazy to say that about the Knicks!?) to make the right decisions going forward.

is not pursuing the Portland job. C’mon, Dame - it’s time!

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is not pursuing the Portland job. C’mon, Dame - it’s time!

Yeah that was my first thought as well.

If Kidd won't even accept a promotion to go there...

Hawks just smoking the 76ers.

domestic violence issues/accusations.


The Hawks working over Philly early doesn’t make me feel any better. Hawks with 57 points HALFWAY through the second quarter.

And had all kinds of injuries. Now they're the healthiest they've been all year, have good coach and are near impossible to defend. At any time they have 4 shooters on the floor, Capella defending the rim and grabbing every rebound. They'll be a tough out. Not that it makes us feel a whole lot better, but it does give us perspective.

to Trae and start trapping him in the 2nd half and go from Green to Simmons to Thybulle.

Meanwhile, Thibs had 5 games and didn't Adjust anything

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to Trae and start trapping him in the 2nd half and go from Green to Simmons to Thybulle. Meanwhile, Thibs had 5 games and didn't Adjust anything

You were saying?

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And had all kinds of injuries. Now they're the healthiest they've been all year, have good coach and are near impossible to defend. At any time they have 4 shooters on the floor, Capella defending the rim and grabbing every rebound. They'll be a tough out. Not that it makes us feel a whole lot better, but it does give us perspective.

Good point. Atlanta's a very good, well coached team.

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In comment 15280975 Giantfan21 said: Quote: to Trae and start trapping him in the 2nd half and go from Green to Simmons to Thybulle. Meanwhile, Thibs had 5 games and didn't Adjust anything You were saying?

He had 25 points in the 1st half while carving up the Sixers

2nd half he has 10 points and 3 turnovers and the adjustment has allowed Philly to come back and make this a game . That is what i was saying.

Amazing how people can't open their eyes and admit Thibs was terrible in the series

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to Trae and start trapping him in the 2nd half and go from Green to Simmons to Thybulle. Meanwhile, Thibs had 5 games and didn't Adjust anything

Yeah Doc's a wizard. Trade has 35 and 8 and the Sixers haven't seen the deficit get below double digits while Embiid has like 32 and 8. You're right though fire Thib's ass. Only thing is maybe they and hire Jesus himself because I can't think of anyone else who could have dragged this sorry ass group of garbage pail kids to 41 wins.