Was hoping this would not happen so quickly but it has and now we see hoe thr Knicks take that next step. Plenty of ways for this team to go and i am sure we will analyze and throw out ideas and over analyze every single option.
First off i am not taking 5 games in the playoffs over what we saw for 72 games. Does it suck? absolutrly but that dorsnt change my opinion on Randle or Rj or Thibs.
Randle is a building block, is he a number 1? no but we never thought he was, he is a 2 or in a perfect world a 3, same with Rj, Rj had his ups and downs and i was definitely one to always call out his downs but he improved a lot this season and gave you more hope for him than after his rookie deal..
As for the Vets on this team, Rose should be back as the back up point. He is clearly not a stsrter and we saw he got burnt out. Id like to see Burks back on the right deal, Bullock if he is coming back as a back up on a 1 or 2 year deal..
Taj i would love back as the 3rd center, Noel it depends on Mitch, i dont think you bring back both..
For the offseason there are a number of scenarios we habe already talkrd about
Lowry and Derozan, while trading fkr a star was mentioned by Jon in NYC..The lerfect way to do this is Lowry and derozan taking 2 year deals to play with Randle and thr star whoever it is..
Kawhi and trade for a star, this is a scenario that comes into play if Clippers lose game 6, Kawhi comes Knicks most likely will have a deal lined up for his running mate moving Randle the 3rd option..
We have seen Bradley Beal already stokr the flames, hopefully some guys decide it is time to move on...
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to Trae and start trapping him in the 2nd half and go from Green to Simmons to Thybulle.
Meanwhile, Thibs had 5 games and didn't Adjust anything
Yeah Doc's a wizard. Trade has 35 and 8 and the Sixers haven't seen the deficit get below double digits while Embiid has like 32 and 8. You're right though fire Thib's ass. Only thing is maybe they and hire Jesus himself because I can't think of anyone else who could have dragged this sorry ass group of garbage pail kids to 41 wins.
He didn’t say fire Thibs. He said Thibs didn’t make any adjustments, which is pretty incontrovertible.
Hawks close to choking this one away until Bogdanovic drains a three.
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to Trae and start trapping him in the 2nd half and go from Green to Simmons to Thybulle.
Meanwhile, Thibs had 5 games and didn't Adjust anything
Yeah Doc's a wizard. Trade has 35 and 8 and the Sixers haven't seen the deficit get below double digits while Embiid has like 32 and 8. You're right though fire Thib's ass. Only thing is maybe they and hire Jesus himself because I can't think of anyone else who could have dragged this sorry ass group of garbage pail kids to 41 wins.
Getting outscored 61-44 in the 2nd half and lead is down to 3 . Good post from You.
Anyway, My point is at least Doc tried something different and it only took him a half to do it. Thibs didn't try a thing through 5 games . Would anything have worked ? Maybe not but it's ridiculous to not even try something else
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to Trae and start trapping him in the 2nd half and go from Green to Simmons to Thybulle.
Meanwhile, Thibs had 5 games and didn't Adjust anything
Yeah Doc's a wizard. Trade has 35 and 8 and the Sixers haven't seen the deficit get below double digits while Embiid has like 32 and 8. You're right though fire Thib's ass. Only thing is maybe they and hire Jesus himself because I can't think of anyone else who could have dragged this sorry ass group of garbage pail kids to 41 wins.
Getting outscored 61-44 in the 2nd half and lead is down to 3 . Good post from You.
Anyway, My point is at least Doc tried something different and it only took him a half to do it. Thibs didn't try a thing through 5 games . Would anything have worked ? Maybe not but it's ridiculous to not even try something else
How about game 1 last series when the Knicks came back down at half to make it a game? Or the 2nd half of game 2 where they went from down 13 to winning by what, 9? Outscored them by 22.
Do you have amnesia?
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to Trae and start trapping him in the 2nd half and go from Green to Simmons to Thybulle.
Meanwhile, Thibs had 5 games and didn't Adjust anything
Yeah Doc's a wizard. Trade has 35 and 8 and the Sixers haven't seen the deficit get below double digits while Embiid has like 32 and 8. You're right though fire Thib's ass. Only thing is maybe they and hire Jesus himself because I can't think of anyone else who could have dragged this sorry ass group of garbage pail kids to 41 wins.
He didn’t say fire Thibs. He said Thibs didn’t make any adjustments, which is pretty incontrovertible.
Hawks close to choking this one away until Bogdanovic drains a three.
Lol these guys just can't accept any criticism towards Thibs. I never said anywhere Thibs should be fired i said he had a terrible series and Doc is already proving it in 1
game . This guy can't handle it though and is just going to talk about the regular season
Unreal.
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to Trae and start trapping him in the 2nd half and go from Green to Simmons to Thybulle.
Meanwhile, Thibs had 5 games and didn't Adjust anything
Yeah Doc's a wizard. Trade has 35 and 8 and the Sixers haven't seen the deficit get below double digits while Embiid has like 32 and 8. You're right though fire Thib's ass. Only thing is maybe they and hire Jesus himself because I can't think of anyone else who could have dragged this sorry ass group of garbage pail kids to 41 wins.
Getting outscored 61-44 in the 2nd half and lead is down to 3 . Good post from You.
Anyway, My point is at least Doc tried something different and it only took him a half to do it. Thibs didn't try a thing through 5 games . Would anything have worked ? Maybe not but it's ridiculous to not even try something else
How about game 1 last series when the Knicks came back down at half to make it a game? Or the 2nd half of game 2 where they went from down 13 to winning by what, 9? Outscored them by 22.
Do you have amnesia?
Do you ? That was due to Getting Payton out of the game , Bumping Rose to 40 minutes a game and Atlanta getting ice cold from 3. It had nothing to do with any changes Thibs made defensively to guarding Trae which is my whole point here
Unreal.
Yes - it was Thibs' coaching genius that caused Atlanta to brick a bunch of open threes.
Unreal.
Name the adjustment. If we’re wrong, please correct us. I’m not trying to be a dick. I’m legitimately asking what you thought Thibs did differently in game 2? There are people who thought the Knicks were lucky to win that game because the Hawks missed a bunch of open threes.
10 points in the 2nd half of game 2.
But hey, let's praise Doc for making the adjustments on Young and holding him down in the 2nd half of a game they didn't lead in at any point in the 2nd half but act like game 2 of the previous series never happened.
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total in the 2nd half of game 2, but yeah Thibs didn't make any adjustments all series and they were never able to do what the sixers did today in the 2nd half.
Unreal.
Yes - it was Thibs' coaching genius that caused Atlanta to brick a bunch of open threes.
Thank you. I feel like im taking crazy pills with some of these people trying to defend Thibs doing absolutely nothing in 5 games to try to slow down Trae. Doc Rivers did more in 1 game then Thibs did in 5 and they almost came back from 25 points because of it
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to Trae and start trapping him in the 2nd half and go from Green to Simmons to Thybulle.
Meanwhile, Thibs had 5 games and didn't Adjust anything
Yeah Doc's a wizard. Trade has 35 and 8 and the Sixers haven't seen the deficit get below double digits while Embiid has like 32 and 8. You're right though fire Thib's ass. Only thing is maybe they and hire Jesus himself because I can't think of anyone else who could have dragged this sorry ass group of garbage pail kids to 41 wins.
Getting outscored 61-44 in the 2nd half and lead is down to 3 . Good post from You.
Anyway, My point is at least Doc tried something different and it only took him a half to do it. Thibs didn't try a thing through 5 games . Would anything have worked ? Maybe not but it's ridiculous to not even try something else
Oh give me a break. The lead was 14-18 till the last few minutes when Atlanta went to sleep and Philly putva miracle run on. Philly has a dpoy candidate in Simmons. Thibs got the Knicks to play spectacular team defense all year with literally no very good individual defenders. We have nowhere near the length of Philly. We have no one. NO ONE on the roster that can defend Trae and stop the drives. They have 4 shooters on the court at all times. Doubling him with no length would have done nothing but leave wide open shooters. Yeah the defensive genious Doc did hold Atlanta to 128. I'll give you that.
It wasnt defensively that was the isaue, offensively they were a trainwreck
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to Trae and start trapping him in the 2nd half and go from Green to Simmons to Thybulle.
Meanwhile, Thibs had 5 games and didn't Adjust anything
Yeah Doc's a wizard. Trade has 35 and 8 and the Sixers haven't seen the deficit get below double digits while Embiid has like 32 and 8. You're right though fire Thib's ass. Only thing is maybe they and hire Jesus himself because I can't think of anyone else who could have dragged this sorry ass group of garbage pail kids to 41 wins.
Getting outscored 61-44 in the 2nd half and lead is down to 3 . Good post from You.
Anyway, My point is at least Doc tried something different and it only took him a half to do it. Thibs didn't try a thing through 5 games . Would anything have worked ? Maybe not but it's ridiculous to not even try something else
Oh give me a break. The lead was 14-18 till the last few minutes when Atlanta went to sleep and Philly putva miracle run on. Philly has a dpoy candidate in Simmons. Thibs got the Knicks to play spectacular team defense all year with literally no very good individual defenders. We have nowhere near the length of Philly. We have no one. NO ONE on the roster that can defend Trae and stop the drives. They have 4 shooters on the court at all times. Doubling him with no length would have done nothing but leave wide open shooters. Yeah the defensive genious Doc did hold Atlanta to 128. I'll give you that.
All you are doing is making excuses for Thibs not doing a thing. Why even have a coach then if he is not going to try something else when things are clearly not working ? Might as well just have a clipboard coaching the 1st round according to you .
Anyway, to not even try Frank other then bringing him ice cold off the bench for 20 seconds on Trae is ridicolous . Maybe it wouldn't have made a difference but maybe it would have. What did it hurt to try ? As far as trapping Young, it forced him to have 4 Turnovers in the 2nd half and took them out of their rhythm the whole 2nd half.
At least Doc tried something and they almost came back and won. Thibs just stuck with his same rotation and same defensive principles which is why the last 3 games were never close
Literally every Knicks fan knows Thibs did a Coach of the Year worthy job with this roster and organization this season. It doesn’t take way from that job to acknowledge that he really didn’t try anything different (beyond benching Payton) when it was clear what they were doing wasn’t working. Maybe Atlanta was just too talented and no amount of adjustments would’ve changed the outcome. But Thibs didn’t appear to really try anything different at all.
It was also pretty clear that Barrett and Quickly, a 20-year-old and a rookie, took a step backward when the pressure was turned up one more notch in the series, and Barrett wasn't getting nearly as many open catch-and-shoot opportunities with Randle apparently in exhaustion mode. And finally, with Rose starting, the second unit lost important scoring kick. One could also make a case that the pressure got to Burks, possibly because his timing wasn't optimal after missing so many games late in the season.
Bottom line: Imo, Thibs made some mistakes in PT and the rotation the last month of the season, but there really wasn't a whole heck of a lot he could do strategically or tactically in the playoff games themselves.
For those who disagree, what, exactly, should he have done better?
Luka is as good as Porzingis is bad.
I mean wow, what a complete nonfactor he has become. Boban is more impactful on both ends than KP.
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to Trae and start trapping him in the 2nd half and go from Green to Simmons to Thybulle.
Meanwhile, Thibs had 5 games and didn't Adjust anything
Yeah Doc's a wizard. Trade has 35 and 8 and the Sixers haven't seen the deficit get below double digits while Embiid has like 32 and 8. You're right though fire Thib's ass. Only thing is maybe they and hire Jesus himself because I can't think of anyone else who could have dragged this sorry ass group of garbage pail kids to 41 wins.
Getting outscored 61-44 in the 2nd half and lead is down to 3 . Good post from You.
Anyway, My point is at least Doc tried something different and it only took him a half to do it. Thibs didn't try a thing through 5 games . Would anything have worked ? Maybe not but it's ridiculous to not even try something else
Doc has a much better team than Thibs. The Knicks don't have an Embiid
Who would trade for him? Certainly won't get any value back.
Who would trade him for at this point ?
He is constantly missing games due to injuries/resting his knees. He is clearly regressing. He is showing he is not a number 2 at all and has a huge contract. Mavs are stuck with his bumass
If I am Luka...get me legit supporting cast.
If I am Luka...get me legit supporting cast.
compeltely capped out and will have to pay hardaway and beunson
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I watched a ton of Clips Mavs. Zinger was a complete zero. He is a shell of his former self. Mavs are delusional if they think he is legit 2 on championship team.
If I am Luka...get me legit supporting cast.
compeltely capped out and will have to pay hardaway and beunson
Brunson is a UFA after next year.
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I watched a ton of Clips Mavs. Zinger was a complete zero. He is a shell of his former self. Mavs are delusional if they think he is legit 2 on championship team.
If I am Luka...get me legit supporting cast.
compeltely capped out and will have to pay hardaway and beunson
Brunson is a UFA after next year.
Isnt it if they decline his option he is restricted if they dont he is ubrestricted next year?
He spent all season without the ball in his hands and averaged 18 a night. When he played with the starters, Randle had it, when he played with the bench Rose and Quickley had it.
And he made a huge leap this season from last. No reason to think he doesn't apply himself again this offseason. I think that it'd be a mistake to trade him. I definitely don't think you'd be "trading high" on him if you dealt him this offseason.
He spent all season without the ball in his hands and averaged 18 a night. When he played with the starters, Randle had it, when he played with the bench Rose and Quickley had it.
And he made a huge leap this season from last. No reason to think he doesn't apply himself again this offseason. I think that it'd be a mistake to trade him. I definitely don't think you'd be "trading high" on him if you dealt him this offseason.
He is absokutely better with the ball in his hands and if you add another star he becomes the 3rd guy..
and nobody is trading him for a bag of balls, he is being traded for a suoerstsr player..
or would you rather have the 3rd guy be a 3 and d wing who is a pure shooter?
or would you rather have the 3rd guy be a 3 and d wing who is a pure shooter?
How is that any different than his role this year? We just watched a full season of him playing effectively in that role. Is it the ideal use of him? No, but he just finished year 2. Let’s see how he continues to develop.
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and kept Rj, You think Rj is going to be effective standing at the 3 point line waiting for the ball? he is going to be effective as the weakside shooter?
or would you rather have the 3rd guy be a 3 and d wing who is a pure shooter?
How is that any different than his role this year? We just watched a full season of him playing effectively in that role. Is it the ideal use of him? No, but he just finished year 2. Let’s see how he continues to develop.
he was the number 2 guy this year
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and kept Rj, You think Rj is going to be effective standing at the 3 point line waiting for the ball? he is going to be effective as the weakside shooter?
or would you rather have the 3rd guy be a 3 and d wing who is a pure shooter?
How is that any different than his role this year? We just watched a full season of him playing effectively in that role. Is it the ideal use of him? No, but he just finished year 2. Let’s see how he continues to develop.
he was the number 2 guy this year
He didn't do much more than stand in the corner and wait for Randle to pass him the ball in the corner. When he was on the floor with Rose and Randle, he pretty much was the third option and played really well in that role. His usage rate this season was only 23%, that is more in line with a complimentary piece than a number 2 guy.
I have more confidence in RJ's ability to play alongside a guy like Lillard than I do in Randle. Randle is
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and kept Rj, You think Rj is going to be effective standing at the 3 point line waiting for the ball? he is going to be effective as the weakside shooter?
or would you rather have the 3rd guy be a 3 and d wing who is a pure shooter?
How is that any different than his role this year? We just watched a full season of him playing effectively in that role. Is it the ideal use of him? No, but he just finished year 2. Let’s see how he continues to develop.
he was the number 2 guy this year
He didn't do much more than stand in the corner and wait for Randle to pass him the ball in the corner. When he was on the floor with Rose and Randle, he pretty much was the third option and played really well in that role. His usage rate this season was only 23%, that is more in line with a complimentary piece than a number 2 guy.
I have more confidence in RJ's ability to play alongside a guy like Lillard than I do in Randle. Randle is
Was going to add Randle is used to being the primary ball handler, and having everything run through him for the last 2 years.
Randle can play off the ball much easier because he can pick and pop, pick and roll..
He can also set up the other star better than Rj can..
I am sorry i wish i saw it with Rj but i dont, thats not to say i want to get rid of him for nothing, id only trade him for a superstar..
but with Rj i see just a guy, i can find a bunch of guys who can average 17-18 ppg and shoot the 3 and play defense..
Yeah how'd that team do?
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and averaged 21 and 10
Yeah how'd that team do?
It would of been fine if he had another star playing with him..
Dont act like Randle didnt carry this team all year
Barrett - ( New Window )
You would take Barrett over Lillard?
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and averaged 21 and 10
Yeah how'd that team do?
It would of been fine if he had another star playing with him..
Dont act like Randle didnt carry this team all year
Anthony Davis and Jrue Holiday aren't stars?
Julius Randle absolutely carried this team, but that doesn't mean he would be a great fit next to another ball dominant player. He is at his best as the guy running the show.
Barrett - ( New Window )
so for a month he was good..
For the year 5-9 feet 35%
10-15 feet 35%
15-19feet 35%
when he finally got to the rim he shot 50%