Was hoping this would not happen so quickly but it has and now we see hoe thr Knicks take that next step. Plenty of ways for this team to go and i am sure we will analyze and throw out ideas and over analyze every single option.
First off i am not taking 5 games in the playoffs over what we saw for 72 games. Does it suck? absolutrly but that dorsnt change my opinion on Randle or Rj or Thibs.
Randle is a building block, is he a number 1? no but we never thought he was, he is a 2 or in a perfect world a 3, same with Rj, Rj had his ups and downs and i was definitely one to always call out his downs but he improved a lot this season and gave you more hope for him than after his rookie deal..
As for the Vets on this team, Rose should be back as the back up point. He is clearly not a stsrter and we saw he got burnt out. Id like to see Burks back on the right deal, Bullock if he is coming back as a back up on a 1 or 2 year deal..
Taj i would love back as the 3rd center, Noel it depends on Mitch, i dont think you bring back both..
For the offseason there are a number of scenarios we habe already talkrd about
Lowry and Derozan, while trading fkr a star was mentioned by Jon in NYC..The lerfect way to do this is Lowry and derozan taking 2 year deals to play with Randle and thr star whoever it is..
Kawhi and trade for a star, this is a scenario that comes into play if Clippers lose game 6, Kawhi comes Knicks most likely will have a deal lined up for his running mate moving Randle the 3rd option..
We have seen Bradley Beal already stokr the flames, hopefully some guys decide it is time to move on...
As long as they stay healthy nobody is beating the Nets. I also don’t give a shit what they say, Nets fans will certainly take it and love it, but it just won’t feel complete to them. This isn’t their team. It’s not the team they had grown to love. It’s a bunch of mercenaries that aren’t theirs.
That’s not a knock on the Nets or the fans. As a Knicks fan I would feel the same way. I’ll gladly take the championship and carry it with me forever had these players gone to the Knicks. But I’d still feel like something was missing. It just wouldn’t be as special. Having 3 top 10 players team up intentionally and then adding guys like Blake who clearly tanked to get out of Detroit is incredibly lame. Again, Brooklyn fans will certainly take it, but nobody on the planet will ever look at Durant, Harden or Kyrie as Nets. They aren’t. They are mercenaries that teamed up to have an easy path to a championship and it happened to be in Brooklyn. Not one of them give a damn about Brooklyn. Except maybe Kyrie who grew up a New Jersey fan.
How about that? Congrats Thibs!
I was saying before the series people underestimated what the Nets (including Durant and Griffin, who both have great combos of length and athleticism) could do on D against Giannis— people were just basing their assumptions on the fact he put up like 40 points a game against them in the regular season. But who the hell wants to step in front of Giannis in a regular season game? Now low and behold it’s the playoffs and of course you see them stepping in front of Giannis, taking contact, hands in his face from all directions, and giving 100% intensity and effort and clearly the results are vastly different.
I also thought coming into the series the “non-big-3” of the Nets (I.e. everyone else) was at least as good as the “non-big-3” of the Bucks. Everyone was talking about the Nets like they’re just those 3 guys and then literally no one else— they have so many guys who play their role and play it well. Oh not to mention the Bucks don’t even have a big 3. I mean those are those 3 best players, but they aren’t a big 3.
I also think Nash doesn’t get enough credit. I know literally anyone could win with this talent but even considering that the whole operation just looks super smooth— calculated and cohesive.
That seems like a no brainer for both. Would be a max of 4/52 for Rose and 4/28 for Bullock, but again, after they've already spent their cap room.
They should do that if no other reason to get cap filler for future trades, since it's hard to add medium salaried players once you've hit the cap.
The one thing that would bother me is Irving. I'd rather lose than win with him. One of the least likable players in the history of sports. He's one of very few guys in the history of sports I'd rather lose than have him on my team. Vick is another one.
If the Knicks are ever a contender again, it's largely going to be a group of mercenaries.
Why does it look pretty stupid?
Guys force their way out all the time. Didn't stop Harden, didnt stop Anthony Davis. If they push the issue they wind up getting traded anyways
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Trading away RJ and IQ and our draft picks to get them isn't the only way.
I dont think anyone said it is the only way
You've implied it.
Ive implied that this was the only way to get a star?? really?? Funny because i always say i dont care how you get a star whether it is drsft one, trade for one or free agent...
Well, you've implied it's your preferred method. Every one of your scenarios ships out RJ. E.g. we get Kawhi in FA and then turn around and trade for Beal.
I think the real ideal involves not trading RJ or IQ. That's just my preference. I think long term that's best for this team.
We're one star richer already with Randle. RJ is going to be a star. Mitch has elite big upside. IQ is potentially an elite sixth man. We're a lot closer than people are making it out to be.
Adding a real point guard, a real shooter, we're easily a good playoff team and a star will want to come here when they hit FA.
Golden State may be hard to emulate, but it might be the most sustainable way to compete. And it makes for fun fan viewing.
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Trading away RJ and IQ and our draft picks to get them isn't the only way.
I dont think anyone said it is the only way
You've implied it.
Ive implied that this was the only way to get a star?? really?? Funny because i always say i dont care how you get a star whether it is drsft one, trade for one or free agent...
Well, you've implied it's your preferred method. Every one of your scenarios ships out RJ. E.g. we get Kawhi in FA and then turn around and trade for Beal.
I think the real ideal involves not trading RJ or IQ. That's just my preference. I think long term that's best for this team.
We're one star richer already with Randle. RJ is going to be a star. Mitch has elite big upside. IQ is potentially an elite sixth man. We're a lot closer than people are making it out to be.
Adding a real point guard, a real shooter, we're easily a good playoff team and a star will want to come here when they hit FA.
Golden State may be hard to emulate, but it might be the most sustainable way to compete. And it makes for fun fan viewing.
I hope you are right..
I barely know anyone that's a hardcore NBA fan. It's crazy. And it's just not boomers, it's Gex-X as well.
The talent level is insane right now. There's a ton of elite players/no doubt HOFers/exciting young players - many of whom are are either approching their prime, in their prime, or just out of their prime. Might be the most in history.
LeBron, KD, Lillard, AD, LeBron, Harden, Jokic, Kawhi, Paul George, Kyrie, Chris Paul, Booker, Embiid, Giannis, Gobert, Curry, LaVine, Beal, Russ, Butler, Luka, Trae, Zion, LaMelo, Tatum.
And I'm almost certainly forgetting a few.
I like the idea of teaming Lowry and Derozan on the Knicks with Rj, Randle and Mitch, bring back Rose and 1 of Bullock or Burks..
Keeping the trade chips until a number 1 guy comes available..
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Report: The Knicks have “some level of interest” in John Wall if he were available via trade, per @massey_evan
For the love of all that is holy, don't
They didn't take Westbrook for free, why would they want Wall?
I like his game and I think he'll continue to improve. But to my eye he's just missing that top level athleticism/twitch that I'm not sure he can overcome (insofar as stardom is concerned) without becoming an extremely proficient jump shooter.
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I also think could probably better than trading like 4 or 5 1st round picks for a star-- would rather wait for a star to come available in FA and keep our future picks. But I'd like to use our plethora of picks this year to bring in an already-proven young player.
I like the idea of teaming Lowry and Derozan on the Knicks with Rj, Randle and Mitch, bring back Rose and 1 of Bullock or Burks..
Keeping the trade chips until a number 1 guy comes available..
You're meaning when a number 1 guy comes available this offseason, right? I was referring to this year's picks, not our future 2023 Mavs 1st rounder or any of our own 1st rounders. Because I mean we have to either trade those 4 2021 picks or use them to pick players on July 29th. We can't wait past that for a #1 guy to come available via trade so we need to do something w/ them in the next 2 months (packaging them to trade up of course is another option).
He also has something a lot of the fast-twitch players do not--absolutely massive strength. At the age of 20, he is already top 10% in strength among shooting guards, assuming he ends up at the 2. Most 2s simply will not be able to stop him from getting deep inside, as he continues to get stronger.
They didn't take Westbrook for free, why would they want Wall?
Wall is kentucky alum, close with Wes and i beliece CAA
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I also think could probably better than trading like 4 or 5 1st round picks for a star-- would rather wait for a star to come available in FA and keep our future picks. But I'd like to use our plethora of picks this year to bring in an already-proven young player.
I like the idea of teaming Lowry and Derozan on the Knicks with Rj, Randle and Mitch, bring back Rose and 1 of Bullock or Burks..
Keeping the trade chips until a number 1 guy comes available..
You're meaning when a number 1 guy comes available this offseason, right? I was referring to this year's picks, not our future 2023 Mavs 1st rounder or any of our own 1st rounders. Because I mean we have to either trade those 4 2021 picks or use them to pick players on July 29th. We can't wait past that for a #1 guy to come available via trade so we need to do something w/ them in the next 2 months (packaging them to trade up of course is another option).
yeah guess your right on that
I would be 100% fine with the trade to this day if we just hadn’t given up Tim Hardaway. And I know hindsight is 20/20, but It just made no sense to me why we had to give him up as well in this trade when I already thought those 2 picks so far out + Dennis Smith wasn’t even enough value for Porzingis at the time. It’s like we had to give them Hardaway as well just to get them to take Porzingis off our hands? Bullshit. I liked always liked Hardaway’s game. Woulda been nice this year to have an extra shooter coming off the bench and could’ve especially helped against the Hawks.
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Why the hell would it be top ten protected both years so far out, I think we could have done better there.
I would be 100% fine with the trade to this day if we just hadn’t given up Tim Hardaway. And I know hindsight is 20/20, but It just made no sense to me why we had to give him up as well in this trade when I already thought those 2 picks so far out + Dennis Smith wasn’t even enough value for Porzingis at the time. It’s like we had to give them Hardaway as well just to get them to take Porzingis off our hands? Bullshit. I liked always liked Hardaway’s game. Woulda been nice this year to have an extra shooter coming off the bench and could’ve especially helped against the Hawks.
Hardaway was a shitty contract here. He didn't become a good shooter until last year.
I barely know anyone that's a hardcore NBA fan. It's crazy. And it's just not boomers, it's Gex-X as well.
Well, there's the fact that the officiating in the league is almost certainly crooked. My team has been dogshit for two decades. The same fucking teams win over and over again. The superfriends bullshit is pathetic. It is by far the most overtly political league and I dont share its politics.
There are plenty of reasons to dislike the NBA despite being a basketball fan.
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I barely know anyone that's a hardcore NBA fan. It's crazy. And it's just not boomers, it's Gex-X as well.
Well, there's the fact that the officiating in the league is almost certainly crooked. My team has been dogshit for two decades. The same fucking teams win over and over again. The superfriends bullshit is pathetic. It is by far the most overtly political league and I dont share its politics.
There are plenty of reasons to dislike the NBA despite being a basketball fan.
The NBA is trying to capture the youth audience. They don't give a shit about GenX/Boomers. Its exactly why they coopted their political stance and the super individual play.
I don't have kids, but date women that do. Live in Tampa and their kids were all obsessed with OBJ because of the catch. It's not about teams, it's about players now. Things are going to go down the boxing way. Storylines are more important than the actual game.
The NFL is only going to stay around because of fantasy football to the consternation of many on this board I'd imagine, myself included. It is what it is.
" He isn’t a long-term fit for the Rockets, and if New York really wants him, they have the pieces to get a deal done."
Those pieces better be multiple first round picks being sent to the Knicks because no one is touching that contract without assets being attached.
" He isn’t a long-term fit for the Rockets, and if New York really wants him, they have the pieces to get a deal done."
Those pieces better be multiple first round picks being sent to the Knicks because no one is touching that contract without assets being attached.
Id be ok with Wall if he was plan F and Houdton gave up assets to get rid of him, otherwise f no
The Wood signing was good but aside from that their new GM couldn't have had a worst start to a career. The returns on Westbrook and Harden are laughable. Maybe those picks work out way down the line but it looks awful right now.
I don't have kids, but date women that do. Live in Tampa and their kids were all obsessed with OBJ because of the catch. It's not about teams, it's about players now. Things are going to go down the boxing way. Storylines are more important than the actual game.
The NFL is only going to stay around because of fantasy football to the consternation of many on this board I'd imagine, myself included. It is what it is.
When was the NBA not about players and storylines before now? This is news to me. Feels like the NBA has been successfully marketing marquee athletes since the 90s.
Ultimately, the Knicks might have to depart with draft capital to acquire Lillard, but he offers them better play over a prolonged period of time. Lillard recently signed a four-year year, $176.2 million extension with the Portland Trailblazers, which hasn’t even kicked in yet. If the Knicks managed to trade for the star PG, they would have him for the next four seasons guaranteed, as there are no options built into the deal.
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Teams are allowed to start trading as soon as they are eliminated and no longer playing..
Players that are pending free agents are not allowed to be traded until new league year..
cap space is based off of this years cap
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there a trade freeze on for teams that are eliminated? Like could the Knicks technically make this deal now?
Teams are allowed to start trading as soon as they are eliminated and no longer playing..
Players that are pending free agents are not allowed to be traded until new league year..
cap space is based off of this years cap
Ah, so it'd be tough to complete a trade right now for cap reasons.
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there a trade freeze on for teams that are eliminated? Like could the Knicks technically make this deal now?
Teams are allowed to start trading as soon as they are eliminated and no longer playing..
Players that are pending free agents are not allowed to be traded until new league year..
cap space is based off of this years cap
Ah, so it'd be tough to complete a trade right now for cap reasons.
Knicks still have 13 million in space
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there a trade freeze on for teams that are eliminated? Like could the Knicks technically make this deal now?
Teams are allowed to start trading as soon as they are eliminated and no longer playing..
Players that are pending free agents are not allowed to be traded until new league year..
cap space is based off of this years cap
Ah, so it'd be tough to complete a trade right now for cap reasons.
Knicks still have 13 million in space
Yeah but Dame is making almost 40, so it'd be tough to facilitate given that we have so many pending FAs.
was just coming here to post about that.
His injury problems are real and I'm not sure how Thibs would manage that, but I love Kemba.
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