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nygiants16 : 6/3/2021 7:35 am
Was hoping this would not happen so quickly but it has and now we see hoe thr Knicks take that next step. Plenty of ways for this team to go and i am sure we will analyze and throw out ideas and over analyze every single option.

First off i am not taking 5 games in the playoffs over what we saw for 72 games. Does it suck? absolutrly but that dorsnt change my opinion on Randle or Rj or Thibs.

Randle is a building block, is he a number 1? no but we never thought he was, he is a 2 or in a perfect world a 3, same with Rj, Rj had his ups and downs and i was definitely one to always call out his downs but he improved a lot this season and gave you more hope for him than after his rookie deal..

As for the Vets on this team, Rose should be back as the back up point. He is clearly not a stsrter and we saw he got burnt out. Id like to see Burks back on the right deal, Bullock if he is coming back as a back up on a 1 or 2 year deal..

Taj i would love back as the 3rd center, Noel it depends on Mitch, i dont think you bring back both..

For the offseason there are a number of scenarios we habe already talkrd about

Lowry and Derozan, while trading fkr a star was mentioned by Jon in NYC..The lerfect way to do this is Lowry and derozan taking 2 year deals to play with Randle and thr star whoever it is..

Kawhi and trade for a star, this is a scenario that comes into play if Clippers lose game 6, Kawhi comes Knicks most likely will have a deal lined up for his running mate moving Randle the 3rd option..

We have seen Bradley Beal already stokr the flames, hopefully some guys decide it is time to move on...
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Unless  
Jon in NYC : 6/9/2021 2:19 pm : link
they want to attach Jaylen Brown, I have no interest in Kemba.
If they want to attach picks  
nygiants16 : 6/9/2021 2:23 pm : link
sure and Knicks would still be able to fill out roster..

Part of me thinks he would ball out with Knocks for a couple of years because he has something to prove and he would be home..
The Celts would have to include  
Jan in DC : 6/9/2021 2:24 pm : link
quite a bounty to get rid of Kemba at this point. Probably better for them to let him try to play up his value next season under a new coach and trade him when you didn't have to include assets.

I wouldn't consider a trade for him at this point in the Knicks rebuild. Even with picks or swaps, with Tatum and Brown, those picks wouldn't even be that good.
I'm a UConn fan so I can't exactly be rational about it.  
Heisenberg : 6/9/2021 2:29 pm : link
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If celtics offered  
nygiants16 : 6/9/2021 2:34 pm : link
Kemba, 16 and a future 1st for Knox and 23rd dallas, i would think about it
RE: If celtics offered  
Jon in NYC : 6/9/2021 2:36 pm : link
In comment 15283279 nygiants16 said:
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Kemba, 16 and a future 1st for Knox and 23rd dallas, i would think about it


Sorry but there's no way I'd take that. I'd rather have Rose than Kemba right now.
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nygiants16 : 6/9/2021 2:40 pm : link
In comment 15283280 Jon in NYC said:
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Kemba, 16 and a future 1st for Knox and 23rd dallas, i would think about it



Sorry but there's no way I'd take that. I'd rather have Rose than Kemba right now.


Do you think 16, 19 and 21 gets you into the top 10?
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nygiants16 : 6/9/2021 2:40 pm : link
In comment 15283280 Jon in NYC said:
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Kemba, 16 and a future 1st for Knox and 23rd dallas, i would think about it



Sorry but there's no way I'd take that. I'd rather have Rose than Kemba right now.


I have this weird feeling Kemba balls out next year
Boston had  
Enzo : 6/9/2021 2:40 pm : link
to really manage his workload this season. Seemed like he skipped almost every other game. I don't care how many picks they offer, I'm not interested given he has 2/73 left on his deal.
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Jon in NYC : 6/9/2021 2:50 pm : link
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Kemba, 16 and a future 1st for Knox and 23rd dallas, i would think about it



Sorry but there's no way I'd take that. I'd rather have Rose than Kemba right now.



Do you think 16, 19 and 21 gets you into the top 10?


Maybe, but who in the top 10 are you really targeting? Maybe Mitchell?
RE: Boston had  
nygiants16 : 6/9/2021 2:52 pm : link
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to really manage his workload this season. Seemed like he skipped almost every other game. I don't care how many picks they offer, I'm not interested given he has 2/73 left on his deal.


Thats fair, that knee is worrisome
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nygiants16 : 6/9/2021 2:53 pm : link
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Kemba, 16 and a future 1st for Knox and 23rd dallas, i would think about it



Sorry but there's no way I'd take that. I'd rather have Rose than Kemba right now.



Do you think 16, 19 and 21 gets you into the top 10?



Maybe, but who in the top 10 are you really targeting? Maybe Mitchell?


Probably mitchell, depending on how high you could go
I get Zach Lavine vibes from James Bouknight (UConn).  
bceagle05 : 6/9/2021 2:53 pm : link
Wouldn't mind trading up for him if he falls to around #10.
Not saying you could or would ever happen  
nygiants16 : 6/9/2021 2:54 pm : link
BUT if you could package 19, 21 and Rj and get to the top 3, would you?
RE: Not saying you could or would ever happen  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/9/2021 3:02 pm : link
In comment 15283299 nygiants16 said:
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BUT if you could package 19, 21 and Rj and get to the top 3, would you?


There isn’t much I wouldn’t trade to get either of the Jalens on the Knicks.
Ten Ton Hammer  
arniefez : 6/9/2021 3:04 pm : link
Since the 80's not 90's. David Stern was a marketing genius. He was very lucky that the basketball gods gifted him Magic and Bird and then Jordan but he knew what to do when they did.

Are you old enough to remember that the NBA finals were shown on tape delay after the 11 o'clock news? That didn't end until 1986!


How David Stern Rescued the NBA and Turned Basketball Into a Global Force - ( New Window )
RE: If celtics offered  
TyreeHelmet : 6/9/2021 3:41 pm : link
In comment 15283279 nygiants16 said:
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Kemba, 16 and a future 1st for Knox and 23rd dallas, i would think about it


Need to get more. I love Kemba but he is a massive risk right now. For him not to be able to suit up in a playoff game is a huge deal. The dude is tough as nails.

It would be a massive risk that could possibly pay off if he turns out to be even relatively healthy and could get you a couple extra 1sts. But I think you need to be getting 2 1st round picks to even consider it. He's 31 and a little guy...
The NBA feels different than the NFL  
Jan in DC : 6/9/2021 3:54 pm : link
in that I don't think there's much value to packaging picks. Teams in the top of the draft need quality, not quantity.

I don't imagine that 3 picks would get you into the top 10, but maybe?
Kemba  
31southst : 6/9/2021 4:26 pm : link
The only way I am interested is if all other PG options fall through, there are no free agents of note we can land, and it costs nothing. Basically if we have cap space to burn and can get him for like Knox, maybe I think about it. In practice I'd much rather just give his same contract to Lowry, even though I think KL could come for less (Kem has like 2/73 left and I think Lowry would cost 2/50 or thereabouts).
I think you're right about draft picks in the NBA  
arniefez : 6/9/2021 4:32 pm : link
most of the time anyone outside the top 5 isn't a difference maker. Some years it's just the top 2 like when the Knicks have the 3rd pick.
Yeah I don't think three picks gets you into the top 10  
bceagle05 : 6/9/2021 4:43 pm : link
but there are plenty of examples of teams packaging two firsts and moving up somewhere between 5-10 spots. If I'm the Knicks I'm doing that and holding on to that Detroit second rounder - I'm confident I can find a big at that spot to replace Noel for a fraction of the cost.
I'd  
Jon in NYC : 6/9/2021 4:46 pm : link
give both picks this year and Obi for a top 5 pick probably.
Daily Knicks had an interesting trade proposal  
nygiants16 : 6/9/2021 5:13 pm : link
I dont know if houston does this, doubtful, but..

Knox, both 1sts for wall and their 1st
RE: Daily Knicks had an interesting trade proposal  
Mike in NJ : 6/9/2021 5:23 pm : link
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I dont know if houston does this, doubtful, but..

Knox, both 1sts for wall and their 1st


I’d do that in a second if I’m the Knicks. 2 years of Wall (who actually isn’t bad if not for the $$$ but on the + side prevents us from giving a long term deal to someone who may not deserve it) in exchange for a chance at Cade or Suggs? Sign me up.
RE: Daily Knicks had an interesting trade proposal  
Jon in NYC : 6/9/2021 5:27 pm : link
In comment 15283366 nygiants16 said:
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I dont know if houston does this, doubtful, but..

Knox, both 1sts for wall and their 1st


I'd probably do that. Wall really is not very good, injury prone, bad defender, inefficient scorer, but a top 3 pick for taking on his contract would be pretty nice -- especially since it's just for two years.
What is everyones thoughts on Sexton?  
nygiants16 : 6/9/2021 7:48 pm : link
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Jon in NYC : 6/9/2021 9:25 pm : link
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This is a tough one. He's younger than Obi Toppin, just came off a season in which he put up 24 PPG on good shooting %s, he's developed a 3 point shot.

But he seems to have clashed with his teammates, definitely isn't a pure PG, and is iffy defensively. Plus he's going to need a big contract soon.

So in sum it'd really depend on price I guess. There's upside, I'd move maybe a first and Obi, but not a ton more.
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nygiants16 : 6/9/2021 9:30 pm : link
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This is a tough one. He's younger than Obi Toppin, just came off a season in which he put up 24 PPG on good shooting %s, he's developed a 3 point shot.

But he seems to have clashed with his teammates, definitely isn't a pure PG, and is iffy defensively. Plus he's going to need a big contract soon.

So in sum it'd really depend on price I guess. There's upside, I'd move maybe a first and Obi, but not a ton more.


Yeah its like you thibk its a no brainer just looking at his stats...

His assists did go up this year..

Would his defense be better under thibs? he is that attacking style point Thibs likes..
Didnt realize he was CAA  
nygiants16 : 6/9/2021 9:34 pm : link
and represented by Leon Rose
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Jon in NYC : 6/9/2021 9:35 pm : link
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This is a tough one. He's younger than Obi Toppin, just came off a season in which he put up 24 PPG on good shooting %s, he's developed a 3 point shot.

But he seems to have clashed with his teammates, definitely isn't a pure PG, and is iffy defensively. Plus he's going to need a big contract soon.

So in sum it'd really depend on price I guess. There's upside, I'd move maybe a first and Obi, but not a ton more.



Yeah its like you thibk its a no brainer just looking at his stats...

His assists did go up this year..

Would his defense be better under thibs? he is that attacking style point Thibs likes..


He and Rose have weirdly similar games. He's a better shooter than Rose but Rose was more explosive. Definitely think his defense would improve with both Thibs and guys around him committed to playing defense.

You'd also be able to get him while on a rookie deal and still have a ton of money to spend this offseason.
That no look pass just now  
Leg of Theismann : 6/9/2021 10:04 pm : link
By CP3 was just awesome. Love watching him run an offense.
Surprised I haven’t seen more talk in this thread  
Leg of Theismann : 6/9/2021 10:59 pm : link
About targeting Spencer Dinwiddie in free agency. Seems like a PG Thibs would like, and he’s a guy coming off injury who has a lot to prove— love guys like that. Also his ACL tear was only a “partial tear” despite obviously still being season ending— seems like maybe not a career-altering injury but again he’ll prob come somewhat cheaper and he has something to prove.. Sign him and re-sign Rose and we’re set at PG. If we keep our picks I’d be down to draft Jared Butler w/ the #19 or #21 pick (he’s not as good as Davion Mitchell of course but I think he’s underrated in this draft because of Mitchell).
I cannot understand how anyone  
Leg of Theismann : 6/10/2021 3:02 am : link
Would EVER want Kemba right now. Jesus Christ. Look at his contract, AND he’s injury prone. I legit am willing to say Kemba and Dinwiddie are equal right now in terms of ability, and Dinwiddie will cost less than half of what Kemba will cost AND he’s 3 years younger.

If we’re going to pay $40M for a 31 year old PG it damn sure better be Lillard. Even if that means trading away our draft capital and a couple pieces we like. Devoting that much of your cap space to a guy who can’t even be a #3 option on a contender (yes he was #3 to Tatum and Brown and the Celtics SUCKED)... how could we ever hope to be compete for a championship in the near future if we do that?
Yeah hard pass on Kemba  
Stu11 : 6/10/2021 8:21 am : link
Good luck getting rid of that contract and deteriorating knee. Their best bet is maybe the Clippers if they flame out in this series and wanna keep Kawhi happy. They're capped out but maybe they could find enough salaries to match up.
Speaking of bad knees, De'Andre Hunter  
shyster : 6/10/2021 8:30 am : link
who hasn't played in the Sixers' series, is done with another meniscus tear in the same knee that was scoped during the season and caused him to miss 50 games.

You know what they say about the most important ability.

espn - ( New Window )
If you are the Blazers  
nygiants16 : 6/10/2021 8:35 am : link
and you get a godfather offer from a team for Lillard, dont you have to do it? Then you trade Mccollum and Nurkic and you can rebuild with a young team pretty quickly..

I know the Blazers probably dont do that, but you are not improving that team anymore than you already have, you have a golden oppurtunity here..
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/10/2021 8:41 am : link
LOL to trading for Kemba. People must be out of their mind.
RE: If you are the Blazers  
Jon in NYC : 6/10/2021 9:14 am : link
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and you get a godfather offer from a team for Lillard, dont you have to do it? Then you trade Mccollum and Nurkic and you can rebuild with a young team pretty quickly..

I know the Blazers probably dont do that, but you are not improving that team anymore than you already have, you have a golden oppurtunity here..


I've been trying to figure out if I've just been viewing this from a Knicks lens, but it's just tough to see how you don't blow it up as the Blazers.

Your starting SF is gone. Your starting PF and C are gone after this year. Melo is gone. Your coach is gone.

And you just got knocked out by a Nuggets team without its second best player. How are you going to improve your roster? You don't have many picks, you don't have young pieces...

Blow it up!
Knicks linked to Myles Turner  
nygiants16 : 6/10/2021 3:11 pm : link
would be a fantastic fit next to randle
RE: Knicks linked to Myles Turner  
Stu11 : 6/10/2021 4:59 pm : link
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would be a fantastic fit next to randle

Wish to God they'd put Brogdon on the market. Man he'd fit great in orange and blue
why are the Pacers  
Enzo : 6/10/2021 5:03 pm : link
looking to move one from Turner?
He's  
Jon in NYC : 6/10/2021 5:15 pm : link
not cheap and he's always hurt. When healthy he's a great modern big. Can shoot and defend the paint extremely well.
RE: why are the Pacers  
nygiants16 : 6/10/2021 5:25 pm : link
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looking to move one from Turner?


Supposedly they want to make Sabonis a full time center
He has 2 more years  
nygiants16 : 6/10/2021 5:26 pm : link
at 17.5
RE: He has 2 more years  
Leg of Theismann : 6/10/2021 5:39 pm : link
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Why would we want Turner over Robinson? They’re about equal in defending, Robinson is the better rebounder, Turner is the better scorer. I personally think rebounding is more important in a center for us than scoring. I give the edge to Robinson as an overall player and Robinson is 2 years younger. Both are injury prone so that doesn’t provide an advantage. I don’t get the appeal.
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nygiants16 : 6/10/2021 5:45 pm : link
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Why would we want Turner over Robinson? They’re about equal in defending, Robinson is the better rebounder, Turner is the better scorer. I personally think rebounding is more important in a center for us than scoring. I give the edge to Robinson as an overall player and Robinson is 2 years younger. Both are injury prone so that doesn’t provide an advantage. I don’t get the appeal.


They arent equal defending, Turner is bigger and doesnt get pushed around, turner is also a better shot blocker, not by much but he is..

and saying Turner is better offensively doesnt do it justice, he is worlds better offensively
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BigBlueShock : 6/10/2021 6:13 pm : link
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Why would we want Turner over Robinson? They’re about equal in defending, Robinson is the better rebounder, Turner is the better scorer. I personally think rebounding is more important in a center for us than scoring. I give the edge to Robinson as an overall player and Robinson is 2 years younger. Both are injury prone so that doesn’t provide an advantage. I don’t get the appeal.

One could argue that aside from point guard, the biggest issue with this offense is having a 5 that are all absolutely net zeroes on offense. Today’s game is about spacing. Having a somewhat reliable threat at the 5 would open a ton of things up. All you have to do is watch how Atlanta defended them. Capella never had to leave the paint. The Knicks desperately need a 5 that can score on things other than dunks
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/10/2021 8:22 pm : link
In comment 15283690 Jon in NYC said:
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and you get a godfather offer from a team for Lillard, dont you have to do it? Then you trade Mccollum and Nurkic and you can rebuild with a young team pretty quickly..

I know the Blazers probably dont do that, but you are not improving that team anymore than you already have, you have a golden oppurtunity here..



I've been trying to figure out if I've just been viewing this from a Knicks lens, but it's just tough to see how you don't blow it up as the Blazers.

Your starting SF is gone. Your starting PF and C are gone after this year. Melo is gone. Your coach is gone.

And you just got knocked out by a Nuggets team without its second best player. How are you going to improve your roster? You don't have many picks, you don't have young pieces...

Blow it up!


I would too, but I don't see them doing it. I would love if Lillard got dealt to NY, but I just don't see it happening unless he pulls a Harden & just becomes a complete dog. Dame doesn't strike me as having that in him, but who knows? Things change. He wanted Kidd as HC, but he pulled his name out of consideration.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/10/2021 8:35 pm : link
Giannis with another 10 second penalty at stripe.
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Jon in NYC : 6/10/2021 9:06 pm : link
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Why would we want Turner over Robinson? They’re about equal in defending, Robinson is the better rebounder, Turner is the better scorer. I personally think rebounding is more important in a center for us than scoring. I give the edge to Robinson as an overall player and Robinson is 2 years younger. Both are injury prone so that doesn’t provide an advantage. I don’t get the appeal.


One could argue that aside from point guard, the biggest issue with this offense is having a 5 that are all absolutely net zeroes on offense. Today’s game is about spacing. Having a somewhat reliable threat at the 5 would open a ton of things up. All you have to do is watch how Atlanta defended them. Capella never had to leave the paint. The Knicks desperately need a 5 that can score on things other than dunks


You really have a chance to be a dynamic offense with a 4 and 5 that are both real threats from downtown.
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