Was hoping this would not happen so quickly but it has and now we see hoe thr Knicks take that next step. Plenty of ways for this team to go and i am sure we will analyze and throw out ideas and over analyze every single option.
First off i am not taking 5 games in the playoffs over what we saw for 72 games. Does it suck? absolutrly but that dorsnt change my opinion on Randle or Rj or Thibs.
Randle is a building block, is he a number 1? no but we never thought he was, he is a 2 or in a perfect world a 3, same with Rj, Rj had his ups and downs and i was definitely one to always call out his downs but he improved a lot this season and gave you more hope for him than after his rookie deal..
As for the Vets on this team, Rose should be back as the back up point. He is clearly not a stsrter and we saw he got burnt out. Id like to see Burks back on the right deal, Bullock if he is coming back as a back up on a 1 or 2 year deal..
Taj i would love back as the 3rd center, Noel it depends on Mitch, i dont think you bring back both..
For the offseason there are a number of scenarios we habe already talkrd about
Lowry and Derozan, while trading fkr a star was mentioned by Jon in NYC..The lerfect way to do this is Lowry and derozan taking 2 year deals to play with Randle and thr star whoever it is..
Kawhi and trade for a star, this is a scenario that comes into play if Clippers lose game 6, Kawhi comes Knicks most likely will have a deal lined up for his running mate moving Randle the 3rd option..
We have seen Bradley Beal already stokr the flames, hopefully some guys decide it is time to move on...
Part of me thinks he would ball out with Knocks for a couple of years because he has something to prove and he would be home..
I wouldn't consider a trade for him at this point in the Knicks rebuild. Even with picks or swaps, with Tatum and Brown, those picks wouldn't even be that good.
Sorry but there's no way I'd take that. I'd rather have Rose than Kemba right now.
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Kemba, 16 and a future 1st for Knox and 23rd dallas, i would think about it
Sorry but there's no way I'd take that. I'd rather have Rose than Kemba right now.
Do you think 16, 19 and 21 gets you into the top 10?
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Kemba, 16 and a future 1st for Knox and 23rd dallas, i would think about it
Sorry but there's no way I'd take that. I'd rather have Rose than Kemba right now.
I have this weird feeling Kemba balls out next year
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Kemba, 16 and a future 1st for Knox and 23rd dallas, i would think about it
Sorry but there's no way I'd take that. I'd rather have Rose than Kemba right now.
Do you think 16, 19 and 21 gets you into the top 10?
Maybe, but who in the top 10 are you really targeting? Maybe Mitchell?
Thats fair, that knee is worrisome
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Kemba, 16 and a future 1st for Knox and 23rd dallas, i would think about it
Sorry but there's no way I'd take that. I'd rather have Rose than Kemba right now.
Do you think 16, 19 and 21 gets you into the top 10?
Maybe, but who in the top 10 are you really targeting? Maybe Mitchell?
Probably mitchell, depending on how high you could go
There isn’t much I wouldn’t trade to get either of the Jalens on the Knicks.
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Need to get more. I love Kemba but he is a massive risk right now. For him not to be able to suit up in a playoff game is a huge deal. The dude is tough as nails.
It would be a massive risk that could possibly pay off if he turns out to be even relatively healthy and could get you a couple extra 1sts. But I think you need to be getting 2 1st round picks to even consider it. He's 31 and a little guy...
I don't imagine that 3 picks would get you into the top 10, but maybe?
Knox, both 1sts for wall and their 1st
Knox, both 1sts for wall and their 1st
I’d do that in a second if I’m the Knicks. 2 years of Wall (who actually isn’t bad if not for the $$$ but on the + side prevents us from giving a long term deal to someone who may not deserve it) in exchange for a chance at Cade or Suggs? Sign me up.
Knox, both 1sts for wall and their 1st
I'd probably do that. Wall really is not very good, injury prone, bad defender, inefficient scorer, but a top 3 pick for taking on his contract would be pretty nice -- especially since it's just for two years.
This is a tough one. He's younger than Obi Toppin, just came off a season in which he put up 24 PPG on good shooting %s, he's developed a 3 point shot.
But he seems to have clashed with his teammates, definitely isn't a pure PG, and is iffy defensively. Plus he's going to need a big contract soon.
So in sum it'd really depend on price I guess. There's upside, I'd move maybe a first and Obi, but not a ton more.
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This is a tough one. He's younger than Obi Toppin, just came off a season in which he put up 24 PPG on good shooting %s, he's developed a 3 point shot.
But he seems to have clashed with his teammates, definitely isn't a pure PG, and is iffy defensively. Plus he's going to need a big contract soon.
So in sum it'd really depend on price I guess. There's upside, I'd move maybe a first and Obi, but not a ton more.
Yeah its like you thibk its a no brainer just looking at his stats...
His assists did go up this year..
Would his defense be better under thibs? he is that attacking style point Thibs likes..
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This is a tough one. He's younger than Obi Toppin, just came off a season in which he put up 24 PPG on good shooting %s, he's developed a 3 point shot.
But he seems to have clashed with his teammates, definitely isn't a pure PG, and is iffy defensively. Plus he's going to need a big contract soon.
So in sum it'd really depend on price I guess. There's upside, I'd move maybe a first and Obi, but not a ton more.
Yeah its like you thibk its a no brainer just looking at his stats...
His assists did go up this year..
Would his defense be better under thibs? he is that attacking style point Thibs likes..
He and Rose have weirdly similar games. He's a better shooter than Rose but Rose was more explosive. Definitely think his defense would improve with both Thibs and guys around him committed to playing defense.
You'd also be able to get him while on a rookie deal and still have a ton of money to spend this offseason.
If we’re going to pay $40M for a 31 year old PG it damn sure better be Lillard. Even if that means trading away our draft capital and a couple pieces we like. Devoting that much of your cap space to a guy who can’t even be a #3 option on a contender (yes he was #3 to Tatum and Brown and the Celtics SUCKED)... how could we ever hope to be compete for a championship in the near future if we do that?
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I know the Blazers probably dont do that, but you are not improving that team anymore than you already have, you have a golden oppurtunity here..
I know the Blazers probably dont do that, but you are not improving that team anymore than you already have, you have a golden oppurtunity here..
I've been trying to figure out if I've just been viewing this from a Knicks lens, but it's just tough to see how you don't blow it up as the Blazers.
Your starting SF is gone. Your starting PF and C are gone after this year. Melo is gone. Your coach is gone.
And you just got knocked out by a Nuggets team without its second best player. How are you going to improve your roster? You don't have many picks, you don't have young pieces...
Blow it up!
Wish to God they'd put Brogdon on the market. Man he'd fit great in orange and blue
Supposedly they want to make Sabonis a full time center
Why would we want Turner over Robinson? They’re about equal in defending, Robinson is the better rebounder, Turner is the better scorer. I personally think rebounding is more important in a center for us than scoring. I give the edge to Robinson as an overall player and Robinson is 2 years younger. Both are injury prone so that doesn’t provide an advantage. I don’t get the appeal.
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Why would we want Turner over Robinson? They’re about equal in defending, Robinson is the better rebounder, Turner is the better scorer. I personally think rebounding is more important in a center for us than scoring. I give the edge to Robinson as an overall player and Robinson is 2 years younger. Both are injury prone so that doesn’t provide an advantage. I don’t get the appeal.
They arent equal defending, Turner is bigger and doesnt get pushed around, turner is also a better shot blocker, not by much but he is..
and saying Turner is better offensively doesnt do it justice, he is worlds better offensively
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Why would we want Turner over Robinson? They’re about equal in defending, Robinson is the better rebounder, Turner is the better scorer. I personally think rebounding is more important in a center for us than scoring. I give the edge to Robinson as an overall player and Robinson is 2 years younger. Both are injury prone so that doesn’t provide an advantage. I don’t get the appeal.
One could argue that aside from point guard, the biggest issue with this offense is having a 5 that are all absolutely net zeroes on offense. Today’s game is about spacing. Having a somewhat reliable threat at the 5 would open a ton of things up. All you have to do is watch how Atlanta defended them. Capella never had to leave the paint. The Knicks desperately need a 5 that can score on things other than dunks
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and you get a godfather offer from a team for Lillard, dont you have to do it? Then you trade Mccollum and Nurkic and you can rebuild with a young team pretty quickly..
I know the Blazers probably dont do that, but you are not improving that team anymore than you already have, you have a golden oppurtunity here..
I've been trying to figure out if I've just been viewing this from a Knicks lens, but it's just tough to see how you don't blow it up as the Blazers.
Your starting SF is gone. Your starting PF and C are gone after this year. Melo is gone. Your coach is gone.
And you just got knocked out by a Nuggets team without its second best player. How are you going to improve your roster? You don't have many picks, you don't have young pieces...
Blow it up!
I would too, but I don't see them doing it. I would love if Lillard got dealt to NY, but I just don't see it happening unless he pulls a Harden & just becomes a complete dog. Dame doesn't strike me as having that in him, but who knows? Things change. He wanted Kidd as HC, but he pulled his name out of consideration.
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Why would we want Turner over Robinson? They’re about equal in defending, Robinson is the better rebounder, Turner is the better scorer. I personally think rebounding is more important in a center for us than scoring. I give the edge to Robinson as an overall player and Robinson is 2 years younger. Both are injury prone so that doesn’t provide an advantage. I don’t get the appeal.
One could argue that aside from point guard, the biggest issue with this offense is having a 5 that are all absolutely net zeroes on offense. Today’s game is about spacing. Having a somewhat reliable threat at the 5 would open a ton of things up. All you have to do is watch how Atlanta defended them. Capella never had to leave the paint. The Knicks desperately need a 5 that can score on things other than dunks
You really have a chance to be a dynamic offense with a 4 and 5 that are both real threats from downtown.