Dan Salomone
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Joe Judge said Nate Solder has been working hard on the field and he's been great with the younger guys. He's a great voice in the room. Judge is pleased with the progress of the O-line coming together.
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
Joe Judge said you really see growth from the rookie class week by week. "I'm pleased with the attention to detail." He's excited to get the pads on and see them go full speed.
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
Joe Judge on Evan Engram: "No one empties the tank like this guy." Judge called him a leader on the team and enjoys coaching him every single day.
Art Stapleton
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Joe Judge says he is fully vaccinated for COVID-19. Believes it was important to do so personally, but does not view his decision as a statement for or against. He has left that discussion for players to the Giants' medical staff.
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Joe Judge extremely complimentary of Evan Engram’s practice habits. Said he brings it all every day. In fact, sometimes they have to tell him to “tone it down a little bit.” A good problem. Judge’s words more evidence Giants still view Engram as vital piece in offense.
But there is some hope that as a 3rd or 4th option he might find a niche. At least we have some other players who can take the focus off him. Maybe that will help.
The Engram talk continues to be disturbing. Can't block, and an error prone mess in the passing game.
Don’t you think he’s being groomed to become a perennial decoy that still has to be accounted for by the defense.
You think that other teams scouting reports take into account Judge's comments to the media? I don't. My guess is that he does work his ass off and Judge views him as an example to other players as to how they should be practicing. All of EE's issues are between the ears - hopefully he keeps learning in the film room and the words from Judge helps build his confidence.
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Disclaimer that OTAs are voluntary and players could be absent for a variety of reasons. Here are the 18 players I didn’t spot today:
RB Barkley
RB Clement
RB Mizzell
WR Toney
WR Ross
TE Rudolph
OLB Anderson
OLB Brown
CB Bradberry
CB Jackson
CB Holmes
CB Yiadom
CB Beal
S Peppers
S Ryan
S McKinney
S Love
K Gano
Again, don’t know reasons for every player. Some likely in the building rehabbing.
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The most notable attendees who were absent last week: Kenny Golladay, the entire DL and Oshane Ximines. Promising to see Ximines participating after having rotator cuff surgery in November.
Third-round pick Aaron Robinson was present but didn’t participate.
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Good influx of defensive players at today’s NYG OTA: Leonard Williams, Dexter Lawrence, B.J. Hill, Reggie Ragland join Blake Martinez, Tae Crowder, Lorenzo Carter, Azeez Ojulari, Elerson Smith and Ifeadi Odenigbo, among others.
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
One very noticeable player moving around without any issues -- LB Lorenzo Carter. .... He showed no signs of being slowed after last year's Achilles surgery. In fact, he looked a bit leaner from afar.
Art Stapleton
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Entire Giants offensive line present for the second (and last) OTA open to the media. Same configuration as last week.
Thomas-Lemieux-Gates-Hernandez Peart
Second team OL
Slade-Wiggins-Harrison-Fulton-Solder
Experienced depth across the front a big change for NYG OL this early
If Beal just doesn't want to play football? This is a serious question. The guy opted out and doesn't go to OTA's? The optics on the combined actions suck.
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
Joe Judge said Nate Solder has been working hard on the field and he's been great with the younger guys. He's a great voice in the room. Judge is pleased with the progress of the O-line coming together.
If Beal just doesn't want to play football? This is a serious question. The guy opted out and doesn't go to OTA's? The optics on the combined actions suck.
I think that it's pretty obvious that he doesn't love football and is just in it for the pay check. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he isn't on the roster when training camp opens.
If Beal just doesn't want to play football? This is a serious question. The guy opted out and doesn't go to OTA's? The optics on the combined actions suck.
Have to say, if he really doesn't want to play football, he's playing this perfectly.
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
Nick Gates on new O-line coach Rob Sale: "He's a good teacher, a good coach, a good person." He can't wait to keep picking his brain and learn from him. Gates said Judge hired him for a reason and trusts him, so he trusts him.
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
Nick Gates on having Nate Solder back: "He just brings that knowledge of being in the league for so long ... and it helps us tremendously."
hell he was bashing the giants fans publicly ever Sunday dropping balls....count the number of remotes...lamps...TV screens getting bashed...kids getting yelled at ....sleepless nights this poor guy has put us all though....he needs to show up now or GTFO....period
RE: RE: RE: Rudy Ruettiger emptied his tank everyday, too.
The Engram talk continues to be disturbing. Can't block, and an error prone mess in the passing game.
Don’t you think he’s being groomed to become a perennial decoy that still has to be accounted for by the defense.
You think that other teams scouting reports take into account Judge's comments to the media? I don't. My guess is that he does work his ass off and Judge views him as an example to other players as to how they should be practicing. All of EE's issues are between the ears - hopefully he keeps learning in the film room and the words from Judge helps build his confidence.
Sorry, I feel for the guy too, but from watching the game for 60+ years, and playing as a kid, you don't learn hands. And as as another poster wrote, "If you can't catch, you don't play." Or at least you shouldn't.
It's not like he's new to the position, he's had 8 years of top college and NFL coaching. What you see, is what you get. It's not about film study, or confidence.
Does Evan Engram remind anyone else of 4th line plugs
in hockey that coaches love because of their grit and hard work? He's a bit different because he's more of a finesse player but he sucks at football like those guys suck at hockey.
The most frustrating thing about Evan Engram (for me at least)...
Is that he was pretty sure-handed in college. If I remember correctly, his career catch rate was 70%. As a pro, his career catch rate is ten points lower (although he did hit 70% in 2018).
Pre-draft, Sy'56 gave him a grade of 84, and wrote this about him (the emphasis is mine):
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Summary: Three time 1st Team All SEC tight end and the program’s all time leader in receptions and yards at the position. Ended his career with a 1st Team All American honor. Engram fits the mold of a hybrid tight end/wide receiver that can be moved around in to different starting positions to keep a defense on its heels. His quickness off the line and near-top level ball skills will make him a quarterback’s best friend on third and reasonable...
RE: The most frustrating thing about Evan Engram (for me at least)...
Is that he was pretty sure-handed in college. If I remember correctly, his career catch rate was 70%. As a pro, his career catch rate is ten points lower (although he did hit 70% in 2018).
Pre-draft, Sy'56 gave him a grade of 84, and wrote this about him (the emphasis is mine):
Quote:
Summary: Three time 1st Team All SEC tight end and the program’s all time leader in receptions and yards at the position. Ended his career with a 1st Team All American honor. Engram fits the mold of a hybrid tight end/wide receiver that can be moved around in to different starting positions to keep a defense on its heels. His quickness off the line and near-top level ball skills will make him a quarterback’s best friend on third and reasonable...
Engram can still make the occasional circus catch, but I still don't think he's fixable. With great respect for Sy, in reading many different reviewers reviews of Engram coming out of school, more than a couple had guarded criticism of what was usually termed "focus" drops. And it was also usually added that this might be "cleaned up" as a pro. I'm still waiting.
RE: RE: The most frustrating thing about Evan Engram (for me at least)...
Is that he was pretty sure-handed in college. If I remember correctly, his career catch rate was 70%. As a pro, his career catch rate is ten points lower (although he did hit 70% in 2018).
Pre-draft, Sy'56 gave him a grade of 84, and wrote this about him (the emphasis is mine):
Quote:
Summary: Three time 1st Team All SEC tight end and the program’s all time leader in receptions and yards at the position. Ended his career with a 1st Team All American honor. Engram fits the mold of a hybrid tight end/wide receiver that can be moved around in to different starting positions to keep a defense on its heels. His quickness off the line and near-top level ball skills will make him a quarterback’s best friend on third and reasonable...
Engram can still make the occasional circus catch, but I still don't think he's fixable. With great respect for Sy, in reading many different reviewers reviews of Engram coming out of school, more than a couple had guarded criticism of what was usually termed "focus" drops. And it was also usually added that this might be "cleaned up" as a pro. I'm still waiting.
You don't set records and win accolades with occasional circus catches. You have to be reliable, consistent, and that's what Engram was at Ole Miss (the occasional "concentration drop," as PFF put it, notwithstanding). His blocking may have been suspect, but he was generally regarded as having good hands. I don't know why he's regressed as a pro...why his catch rate has dropped so precipitously from what it was in college...but I have to think there's more to it than a mere lack of focus.
RE: RE: RE: The most frustrating thing about Evan Engram (for me at least)...
Is that he was pretty sure-handed in college. If I remember correctly, his career catch rate was 70%. As a pro, his career catch rate is ten points lower (although he did hit 70% in 2018).
Pre-draft, Sy'56 gave him a grade of 84, and wrote this about him (the emphasis is mine):
Quote:
Summary: Three time 1st Team All SEC tight end and the program’s all time leader in receptions and yards at the position. Ended his career with a 1st Team All American honor. Engram fits the mold of a hybrid tight end/wide receiver that can be moved around in to different starting positions to keep a defense on its heels. His quickness off the line and near-top level ball skills will make him a quarterback’s best friend on third and reasonable...
Engram can still make the occasional circus catch, but I still don't think he's fixable. With great respect for Sy, in reading many different reviewers reviews of Engram coming out of school, more than a couple had guarded criticism of what was usually termed "focus" drops. And it was also usually added that this might be "cleaned up" as a pro. I'm still waiting.
You don't set records and win accolades with occasional circus catches. You have to be reliable, consistent, and that's what Engram was at Ole Miss (the occasional "concentration drop," as PFF put it, notwithstanding). His blocking may have been suspect, but he was generally regarded as having good hands. I don't know why he's regressed as a pro...why his catch rate has dropped so precipitously from what it was in college...but I have to think there's more to it than a mere lack of focus.
You're right. I don't know either, but whatever it is, I'm out of patience. Other reviewers expressed concern over "lateral agility" or "flexibility" which made contested catches more problematic. But I don't know why he's such a disappointment in the pros. Could just be the yips.
My favorite point: the OL is in place or so it seems
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Entire Giants offensive line present for the second (and last) OTA open to the media. Same configuration as last week.
Thomas-Lemieux-Gates-Hernandez Peart
Second team OL
Slade-Wiggins-Harrison-Fulton-Solder
Experienced depth across the front a big change for NYG OL this early.
I still believe that we may sign a veteran OL if he is a clear upgrade. I'm not up on who is out there though really. But as a HC, lets say you know an OG upgrade is needed and you know we have two #1's next year why not possibly trade a #3 for an upgrade if possible?
Having said that, I think we stand pat with what we have unless a player is clearly available and upgrades.
@Dan_Salomone
Joe Judge said Nate Solder has been working hard on the field and he's been great with the younger guys. He's a great voice in the room. Judge is pleased with the progress of the O-line coming together.
@Dan_Salomone
Joe Judge said you really see growth from the rookie class week by week. "I'm pleased with the attention to detail." He's excited to get the pads on and see them go full speed.
@Dan_Salomone
Joe Judge on Evan Engram: "No one empties the tank like this guy." Judge called him a leader on the team and enjoys coaching him every single day.
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@art_stapleton
Joe Judge says he is fully vaccinated for COVID-19. Believes it was important to do so personally, but does not view his decision as a statement for or against. He has left that discussion for players to the Giants' medical staff.
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@JordanRaanan
Joe Judge extremely complimentary of Evan Engram’s practice habits. Said he brings it all every day. In fact, sometimes they have to tell him to “tone it down a little bit.” A good problem. Judge’s words more evidence Giants still view Engram as vital piece in offense.
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Kenny Golladay in the house and on the field this morning, as expected
Why is it disturbing? There's nothing to gain by bashing him publicly.
@art_stapleton
Also present for this OTA after not being here for last media access: Dexter Lawrence. Oshane Ximines and B.J. Hill
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Kelvin Benjamin (83) still listed as a TE but working w WRs so far today.
Don’t you think he’s being groomed to become a perennial decoy that still has to be accounted for by the defense.
Given his size, injuries would always have been my major concern with Becton.
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The Engram talk continues to be disturbing. Can't block, and an error prone mess in the passing game.
Don’t you think he’s being groomed to become a perennial decoy that still has to be accounted for by the defense.
You think that other teams scouting reports take into account Judge's comments to the media? I don't. My guess is that he does work his ass off and Judge views him as an example to other players as to how they should be practicing. All of EE's issues are between the ears - hopefully he keeps learning in the film room and the words from Judge helps build his confidence.
Reporters asleep on the job again.
@DDuggan21
Disclaimer that OTAs are voluntary and players could be absent for a variety of reasons. Here are the 18 players I didn’t spot today:
RB Barkley
RB Clement
RB Mizzell
WR Toney
WR Ross
TE Rudolph
OLB Anderson
OLB Brown
CB Bradberry
CB Jackson
CB Holmes
CB Yiadom
CB Beal
S Peppers
S Ryan
S McKinney
S Love
K Gano
Again, don’t know reasons for every player. Some likely in the building rehabbing.
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The most notable attendees who were absent last week: Kenny Golladay, the entire DL and Oshane Ximines. Promising to see Ximines participating after having rotator cuff surgery in November.
Third-round pick Aaron Robinson was present but didn’t participate.
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Good influx of defensive players at today’s NYG OTA: Leonard Williams, Dexter Lawrence, B.J. Hill, Reggie Ragland join Blake Martinez, Tae Crowder, Lorenzo Carter, Azeez Ojulari, Elerson Smith and Ifeadi Odenigbo, among others.
Expect secondary here next week for minicamp.
@giantswfan
One very noticeable player moving around without any issues -- LB Lorenzo Carter. .... He showed no signs of being slowed after last year's Achilles surgery. In fact, he looked a bit leaner from afar.
Art Stapleton
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Entire Giants offensive line present for the second (and last) OTA open to the media. Same configuration as last week.
Thomas-Lemieux-Gates-Hernandez Peart
Second team OL
Slade-Wiggins-Harrison-Fulton-Solder
Experienced depth across the front a big change for NYG OL this early
@Dan_Salomone
Joe Judge said Nate Solder has been working hard on the field and he's been great with the younger guys. He's a great voice in the room. Judge is pleased with the progress of the O-line coming together.
Solder, the "Tanney" of the OL Room
I think that it's pretty obvious that he doesn't love football and is just in it for the pay check. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he isn't on the roster when training camp opens.
Have to say, if he really doesn't want to play football, he's playing this perfectly.
@Dan_Salomone
Nick Gates on new O-line coach Rob Sale: "He's a good teacher, a good coach, a good person." He can't wait to keep picking his brain and learn from him. Gates said Judge hired him for a reason and trusts him, so he trusts him.
@Dan_Salomone
Nick Gates on having Nate Solder back: "He just brings that knowledge of being in the league for so long ... and it helps us tremendously."
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In comment 15279791 mittenedman said:
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The Engram talk continues to be disturbing. Can't block, and an error prone mess in the passing game.
Don’t you think he’s being groomed to become a perennial decoy that still has to be accounted for by the defense.
You think that other teams scouting reports take into account Judge's comments to the media? I don't. My guess is that he does work his ass off and Judge views him as an example to other players as to how they should be practicing. All of EE's issues are between the ears - hopefully he keeps learning in the film room and the words from Judge helps build his confidence.
Sorry, I feel for the guy too, but from watching the game for 60+ years, and playing as a kid, you don't learn hands. And as as another poster wrote, "If you can't catch, you don't play." Or at least you shouldn't.
It's not like he's new to the position, he's had 8 years of top college and NFL coaching. What you see, is what you get. It's not about film study, or confidence.
Pre-draft, Sy'56 gave him a grade of 84, and wrote this about him (the emphasis is mine):
Pre-draft, Sy'56 gave him a grade of 84, and wrote this about him (the emphasis is mine):
Quote:
Summary: Three time 1st Team All SEC tight end and the program’s all time leader in receptions and yards at the position. Ended his career with a 1st Team All American honor. Engram fits the mold of a hybrid tight end/wide receiver that can be moved around in to different starting positions to keep a defense on its heels. His quickness off the line and near-top level ball skills will make him a quarterback’s best friend on third and reasonable...
Engram can still make the occasional circus catch, but I still don't think he's fixable. With great respect for Sy, in reading many different reviewers reviews of Engram coming out of school, more than a couple had guarded criticism of what was usually termed "focus" drops. And it was also usually added that this might be "cleaned up" as a pro. I'm still waiting.
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Is that he was pretty sure-handed in college. If I remember correctly, his career catch rate was 70%. As a pro, his career catch rate is ten points lower (although he did hit 70% in 2018).
Pre-draft, Sy'56 gave him a grade of 84, and wrote this about him (the emphasis is mine):
Quote:
Summary: Three time 1st Team All SEC tight end and the program’s all time leader in receptions and yards at the position. Ended his career with a 1st Team All American honor. Engram fits the mold of a hybrid tight end/wide receiver that can be moved around in to different starting positions to keep a defense on its heels. His quickness off the line and near-top level ball skills will make him a quarterback’s best friend on third and reasonable...
Engram can still make the occasional circus catch, but I still don't think he's fixable. With great respect for Sy, in reading many different reviewers reviews of Engram coming out of school, more than a couple had guarded criticism of what was usually termed "focus" drops. And it was also usually added that this might be "cleaned up" as a pro. I'm still waiting.
You don't set records and win accolades with occasional circus catches. You have to be reliable, consistent, and that's what Engram was at Ole Miss (the occasional "concentration drop," as PFF put it, notwithstanding). His blocking may have been suspect, but he was generally regarded as having good hands. I don't know why he's regressed as a pro...why his catch rate has dropped so precipitously from what it was in college...but I have to think there's more to it than a mere lack of focus.
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In comment 15279968 Klaatu said:
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Is that he was pretty sure-handed in college. If I remember correctly, his career catch rate was 70%. As a pro, his career catch rate is ten points lower (although he did hit 70% in 2018).
Pre-draft, Sy'56 gave him a grade of 84, and wrote this about him (the emphasis is mine):
Quote:
Summary: Three time 1st Team All SEC tight end and the program’s all time leader in receptions and yards at the position. Ended his career with a 1st Team All American honor. Engram fits the mold of a hybrid tight end/wide receiver that can be moved around in to different starting positions to keep a defense on its heels. His quickness off the line and near-top level ball skills will make him a quarterback’s best friend on third and reasonable...
Engram can still make the occasional circus catch, but I still don't think he's fixable. With great respect for Sy, in reading many different reviewers reviews of Engram coming out of school, more than a couple had guarded criticism of what was usually termed "focus" drops. And it was also usually added that this might be "cleaned up" as a pro. I'm still waiting.
You don't set records and win accolades with occasional circus catches. You have to be reliable, consistent, and that's what Engram was at Ole Miss (the occasional "concentration drop," as PFF put it, notwithstanding). His blocking may have been suspect, but he was generally regarded as having good hands. I don't know why he's regressed as a pro...why his catch rate has dropped so precipitously from what it was in college...but I have to think there's more to it than a mere lack of focus.
You're right. I don't know either, but whatever it is, I'm out of patience. Other reviewers expressed concern over "lateral agility" or "flexibility" which made contested catches more problematic. But I don't know why he's such a disappointment in the pros. Could just be the yips.
@art_stapleton
Entire Giants offensive line present for the second (and last) OTA open to the media. Same configuration as last week.
Thomas-Lemieux-Gates-Hernandez Peart
Second team OL
Slade-Wiggins-Harrison-Fulton-Solder
Experienced depth across the front a big change for NYG OL this early.
I still believe that we may sign a veteran OL if he is a clear upgrade. I'm not up on who is out there though really. But as a HC, lets say you know an OG upgrade is needed and you know we have two #1's next year why not possibly trade a #3 for an upgrade if possible?
Having said that, I think we stand pat with what we have unless a player is clearly available and upgrades.